Fresh stuff from sukhoi.ru (Discussion)

[GraveyardJimmy]

That could make for some interesting missions, driving back from the village near the airfield during a raid could be interesting, followed by scrambling after the leaving bombers. Certainly good news for movie makers too.

[esmiol]

In the 2nd video you see a sportscar drive up to a spitfire then the view switches to inside the plane and it takes off. I think this could be a hint at such a feature?

it is just the fact you can switch from a vehicule to a plane...like you can do now from plane to plane.

it is just more immerssif to be able to use vehicules.

and this feature is maybe not the most urgent thing to implement. but it is an hugue feature and something who may in the future add more lifetime to the sim.

Imagine an SEOW systeme adapted to cliffs of dover in two or three years?

[Insuber]

Fresh from B6, update will be a little late probably (unless it's Russian humor ...)::


Q:
Alexander (BS), please ignore for a few minutes of work (a change of activities and / or short breaks increase productivity) and to answer a small question: can we expect to update or dinner in the evening Moscow time?

A:
As soon render the video and I'll lay out the link-update can for dinner, maybe late at night)

Bye

[Insuber]

Another fresh info (yesterday night):

Posted by karakurt4
Dear Alexander. Perhaps the question is too premature, but very much interested. If there is an approximate information. What time period will be displayed in BZM? (From the early days of the war until the complete liberation of the approaches to Moscow, or what that one episode). And since you have a mission to create a direct relationship. How will they look like? With the script? Or, as in the old sludge "every day"? To be honest I liked it the last. Where there is no specific description of the hero with his "life." In the mission "every day" feel involved in what is happening, despite fighting everyday routine. And when there is a script ... Well, strange as that of "life". Thank you.


B6 Answer:

At the moment we know only what we are doing a game dedicated to the Eastern Front. Will it BZM or something else - not yet solved, wait for the announcement, so to speak about the time frame prematurely.
If I'm going to do the campaign - that of its standard circuit simulation memoir - will be the main character and the script is built based on real events. Make "every day" I do not want - is a constant throwing between different pilots, shelves and types of aircraft - the player just get confused from all that mess is obtained.

[Feathered_IV]

Hmm, so maybe not even Moscow at all, but some other aspect of the Eastern front. Wait and see I guess.

[150GCT_Veltro]

That could make for some interesting missions, driving back from the village near the airfield during a raid could be interesting, followed by scrambling after the leaving bombers. Certainly good news for movie makers too.

Exactly.

[mazex]

Another fresh info (yesterday night):

Posted by karakurt4
Dear Alexander. Perhaps the question is too premature, but very much interested. If there is an approximate information. What time period will be displayed in BZM? (From the early days of the war until the complete liberation of the approaches to Moscow, or what that one episode). And since you have a mission to create a direct relationship. How will they look like? With the script? Or, as in the old sludge "every day"? To be honest I liked it the last. Where there is no specific description of the hero with his "life." In the mission "every day" feel involved in what is happening, despite fighting everyday routine. And when there is a script ... Well, strange as that of "life". Thank you.


B6 Answer:

At the moment we know only what we are doing a game dedicated to the Eastern Front. Will it BZM or something else - not yet solved, wait for the announcement, so to speak about the time frame prematurely.
If I'm going to do the campaign - that of its standard circuit simulation memoir - will be the main character and the script is built based on real events. Make "every day" I do not want - is a constant throwing between different pilots, shelves and types of aircraft - the player just get confused from all that mess is obtained.

Interesting... To me there are other battles that I think will be easier to market in the west at least. If Russia wasn't so darn big Barbarossa is a catchy name to get creative freedom ;) I think most people in the west think of Leningrad, Stalingrad, Kursk and Berlin of course when talking the eastern front? To most western people Moscow is the place Hitler never got to (thanks to BoM naturally ;)).

/mazex

[Insuber]

No beta patch for tomorrow. Difficult days in the team. Tomorrow we will have screenshots of the sequel (good thing anyway):


BlackSix:
"A bad omen to report time on the forums. Inside the team put quite a tough time and across tasks. Tomorrow will update with screenshots from the sequel to attack aircraft. On the patch on Friday I would have never expected. "

[BlackSix]

No beta patch for tomorrow. Difficult days in the team. Tomorrow we will have screenshots of the sequel (good thing anyway):


BlackSix:
"A bad omen to report time on the forums. Inside the team put quite a tough time and across tasks. Tomorrow will update with screenshots from the sequel to attack aircraft. On the patch on Friday I would have never expected. "

I am shocked by the speed of news dissemination))
Just going to write it here...

[MoGas]

^^^^
:(

[mazex]

I am shocked by the speed of news dissemination))
Just going to write it here...

Prepare for more shocks ;)

10 mins ago:

Q: Or at least wait for this week or not? (will the patch come this friday?)

B6: We usually work from Monday through Friday (when rush job before deadline - seven days a week). So if Friday will not be - then the work has to continue until Monday. Readme assembled from separate pieces just before the release and not yet ready. I have only my block of text that I have no right to publish.

[David198502]

I am shocked by the speed of news dissemination))
Just going to write it here...

that's just a sign, how eager we all are, to get our hands on the long awaited patch finally BS.
is it possible to tell us, an possible date of the beta release at least?

[banned]

Wasn't expecting it anyway, hence why I'm downloading the Ka-50 Black Shark attack helecopter. That'll give me a few months to get use to prior to the patch.

[BlackSix]

that's just a sign, how eager we all are, to get our hands on the long awaited patch finally BS.
is it possible to tell us, an possible date of the beta release at least?

No, Ilya has not called on that date.

[David198502]

and what about more specific informations on the content of the patch in the friday update tomorrow??
i mean "we are working on the FMs" is good to know, but a little more insight what we can expect would be greatly appreciated...

[41Sqn_Banks]

Sad news, but unexpected things can happen in software development and no one can change or prevent. The dev team should enjoy the weekend and start fixing the problems next week. Just don't rush it. We have waited so long for it, few more days won't kill us.

I hope there aren't any fundamental problems, if they are fundamental take even more time and to bring up the best solution.

[BlackSix]

and what about more specific informations on the content of the patch in the friday update tomorrow??
i mean "we are working on the FMs" is good to know, but a little more insight what we can expect would be greatly appreciated...

I fear that tomorrow will be only screenshots of the sequel.
To this there are certain reasons.

[Insuber]

I am shocked by the speed of news dissemination))
Just going to write it here...

The Big Brother is watching you! :)

[David198502]

ok thx anyway BS for your dedication on this forum and your customers.
i really hope that the reasons you are talking about, are nothing too serious or major, though it sounds that way

[jimbop]

Hi BlackSix - did I read correctly that the readme is written but not authorized for publication? Perhaps you could ask Luthier on our behalf for a Friday preview!

[albx]

great... so no news about the ghost-patch and more screenshots of tanks? No video of the beta patch and nothing at all.... to be honest I don't care about the sequel if the game I bought will not be fixed first...

thank you

[mazex]

great... so no news about the ghost-patch and more screenshots of tanks? No video of the beta patch and nothing at all.... to be honest I don't care about the sequel if the game I bought will not be fixed first...

thank you

I don't know how many more times I manage to read phrases like the one below ;)

"I don't care about the sequel if the game I bought will not be fixed first..."

...from hundreds of people here in hundreds of different versions.

We DO know that 2-300 of you think that way (which you naturally are fully entitled to do). But please - we got the message? OK?

They WILL release the patch before the sequel. They are obviously not even sure it will be called BoM...

[JG52Krupi]

http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=3&ved=0CCcQtwIwAg&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DNvI kRkOL3tw&ei=PlNPT4S5GcrNswbG092CDA&usg=AFQjCNFIfOdBcpx1APEekUfW-s1lukoBcQ

What the Scottish guy said at the football match sums up what I am thinking right now :(

[Buchon]

So there surfaced new problems :(

Well, is better fix them than release a useless beta patch for public testing.

If I understand righ they will not stop and work the weekend to try a release ?

[BlackSix]

Hi BlackSix - did I read correctly that the readme is written but not authorized for publication? Perhaps you could ask Luthier on our behalf for a Friday preview!

No, we will write Readme at the last minute, collecting it from a single block. I have my text on my work, but I can not publish it.

If I understand righ they will not stop and work the weekend to try a release?

No, now the situation is different, everyone is working normally.

[machoo]

Takes this long to get a patch going , imaging how long it will be for the sequal to come out.....

[Blackdog_kt]

Hi BlackSix - did I read correctly that the readme is written but not authorized for publication? Perhaps you could ask Luthier on our behalf for a Friday preview!

That would be a very good idea, but only if they publish the parts of the readme they are 100% sure will make it into the patch.

I really want to see some specific details about what is getting fixed, but if something is included in the readme and then it doesn't make the patch, we'll have to deal with a lynch mob situation here :-P

So, like jimbop says, if it's possible ask Luthier to give us part of the readme for the fixes that you are 100% sure will go into the patch.

That doesn't have to be complicated things that can break when something changes (like an entire graphics or sound engine).

A lot of people would be happy to know about specific, isolated aircraft systems, which are (i suppose) not so dependent on other parts of the code and thus, easier to be sure if they are done or not.

For example "the bombsights have been corrected", or "the ju88 gyrocompass works and the He111P's compasses no longer display reversed headings".

If you can do this BlackSix it would be very appreciated by many in the community. Thanks for the information :grin:

[JG52Krupi]

That would be a very good idea, but only if they publish the parts of the readme they are 100% sure will make it into the patch.

I really want to see some specific details about what is getting fixed, but if something is included in the readme and then it doesn't make the patch, we'll have to deal with a lynch mob situation here :-P

So, like jimbop says, if it's possible ask Luthier to give us part of the readme for the fixes that you are 100% sure will go into the patch.

That doesn't have to be complicated things that can break when something changes (like an entire graphics or sound engine).

A lot of people would be happy to know about specific, isolated aircraft systems, which are (i suppose) not so dependent on other parts of the code and thus, easier to be sure if they are done or not.

For example "the bombsights have been corrected", or "the ju88 gyrocompass works and the He111P's compasses no longer display reversed headings".

If you can do this BlackSix it would be very appreciated by many in the community. Thanks for the information :grin:

Agreed, I demand appeasement ;)

[pupo162]

news on sli crossfire? please?

[satchenko]

What can we wait for tomorrow? screenshots? videos? info of the new engine?
Please Blacksix, Do not dissapoint the people who bought this product several months ago, like me.
Expectations are high. If there is no patch tomorrow at last give us good information, benchmarks, something.

Thank you B6.

I dont write in this forum never, my english is very poor, i will thank you if you can answer me this time :D

[Robert]

A video of the new Black Death track featuring the new graphics engine would be nice. I wouldn't mind seeing it in the current graphics version, either.

[tintifaxl]

A video of the new Black Death track featuring the new graphics engine would be nice. I wouldn't mind seeing it in the current graphics version, either.

Why not record the track in the old and the new engine with the fps counter enabled? :-P

[satchenko]

Why not record the track in the old and the new engine with the fps counter enabled? :-P

Tintinfaxl hi!

I can see that you have a SSD. Is Clod working better with that disk? to much diference in performance?

Thanks!

Sorry for the OT :D

[VO101_Tom]

Why not record the track in the old and the new engine with the fps counter enabled? :-P

BlackSix said that the new video engine is not compatible with the old engine. There is no track that would work on both engine. I dont know, the FMB files...

[VO101_Tom]

I can see that you have a SSD. Is Clod working better with that disk? to much diference in performance?


This has been discussed. The game will not better, but it load quickly.

[bw_wolverine]

That would be a very good idea, but only if they publish the parts of the readme they are 100% sure will make it into the patch.

I really want to see some specific details about what is getting fixed, but if something is included in the readme and then it doesn't make the patch, we'll have to deal with a lynch mob situation here :-P

So, like jimbop says, if it's possible ask Luthier to give us part of the readme for the fixes that you are 100% sure will go into the patch.

That doesn't have to be complicated things that can break when something changes (like an entire graphics or sound engine).

A lot of people would be happy to know about specific, isolated aircraft systems, which are (i suppose) not so dependent on other parts of the code and thus, easier to be sure if they are done or not.

For example "the bombsights have been corrected", or "the ju88 gyrocompass works and the He111P's compasses no longer display reversed headings".

If you can do this BlackSix it would be very appreciated by many in the community. Thanks for the information :grin:

While I pine like the rest of us for a look at the fixes, there's no 100% assurance that something will be in a beta patch until the patch is available to download, so I don't think it's a good idea to release any info like this until the patch is done.

Please let it be soon! I'm sure Luthier and the team are desperate to give us good news when they can since we're all such a sour bunch to start :P

[tintifaxl]

Tintinfaxl hi!

I can see that you have a SSD. Is Clod working better with that disk? to much diference in performance?

Thanks!

Sorry for the OT :D

I never ran it off an HD, so I wouldn't know. Performance wise I have no gripes with CloD. Just AI, FM, DM and radio.

[BlackSix]

What can we wait for tomorrow? screenshots? videos? info of the new engine?
Please Blacksix, Do not dissapoint the people who bought this product several months ago, like me.
Expectations are high. If there is no patch tomorrow at last give us good information, benchmarks, something.

Thank you B6.

Tomorrow will be screenshots of the IL-2 and may be the cockpit of IL-2.

[Sutts]

We only have ourselves to blame. If we weren't such a bunch of ungrateful whining muppets then Luthier may have felt more inclined to release a patch that wasn't close to perfect. I think I'd feel the same if I were in his shoes right now.

[DroopSnoot]

Rubbish sutts, a beta is beta only a moron doesnt understand that. If they whine delete their post.

[Dano]

Tomorrow will be screenshots of the IL-2 and may be the cockpit of IL-2.

Can't wait to fly the old girl again :)

[Flanker35M]

S!

Will be interesting to test that plane again whenever sequel is released :) Beta patch..comes when comes. Next week off work so I have time to wait :)

[Luftwaffepilot]

What about the benchmark results?

[kestrel79]

Please do show us the IL2 cockpit. Can't wait to see it in CloD level of detail!

[kalimba]

We only have ourselves to blame. If we weren't such a bunch of ungrateful whining muppets then Luthier may have felt more inclined to release a patch that wasn't close to perfect. I think I'd feel the same if I were in his shoes right now.

Ok...But not just ourselves...A lot of people were hoping for better at initial release...Including investors, Pulisher, and many many many simmers that are not even members here....I think that Luthier knows now that you cannot show
" bells and whittles" , stamp those with WIP as a sefety net , and thinking that it could not cause disapointement and criticism by not making it in the final project. Especially when those features are commented, explained and shown over and over again for such a long time...Also, it is hard for everyone to figure out why such a project is taking more than 6 years to come around. The more we learn about the griandiose span of this game , the more we get it, but still, not even talking about what is going on in detail is far less risky for the team's reputation than trying to ease our anguish...

Salute !

[Orpheus]

We only have ourselves to blame. If we weren't such a bunch of ungrateful whining muppets then Luthier may have felt more inclined to release a patch that wasn't close to perfect. I think I'd feel the same if I were in his shoes right now.

Possibly the most untrue statement I've read today. If they'd done their job as advertised at release, very few would have any reason to complain. If anything, their rather childish attitude (blanket ban etc) towards people with legitimate complaints is doing just as much damage to the brand as the (poor) state of the sim after nearly a year.

[6S.Tamat]

Possibly the most untrue statement I've read today. If they'd done their job as advertised at release, very few would have any reason to complain. If anything, their rather childish attitude (blanket ban etc) towards people with legitimate complaints is doing just as much damage to the brand as the (poor) state of the sim after nearly a year.

+1

A good suggestion for them could be to be clear in everything, the community digested alot of hard stuff and now it is better to continue to follow the good path they started taking B6 as pr..
In that way some good info about the patch are what the community wants, alot more of the screenshots.

[Tree_UK]

Would of been nice to get the game working a year after release, but theres no rush, and we have some lovely pictures to look at to pass the time.

[furbs]

Blacksix, could you give Luthier a poke and ask him...

Has the patch fixed the CTDs?

What improvements in the FM can we expect in the patch?

Since the guy working on the AI has had 5 months and the community's help, what improvements should we see?#

Radio commands fixed?

Ground handling fixed?

Can we get a look at the read-me for the patch?

Thanks.

[zapatista]

Blacksix, could you give Luthier a poke and ask him...

1) Has the patch fixed the CTDs?

2 ) What improvements in the FM can we expect in the patch?

3) Since the guy working on the AI has had 5 months and the community's help, what improvements should we see?#

4) Radio commands fixed?

5) Ground handling fixed?.

the world is full of surprises, must be the first post in 5 years i can agree with furbs on, either cabin fever is overtaking me or 12 months waiting might be my personal tolerance level in exercising patience.

i'dd add to those Q's, is there now resolution to:

6) Co-op session fixed ?

7) distant LoD model visibility fixed for aircraft and ground objects ?? (the current faulty gfx engine has major problems with this)

[KG26_Alpha]

I am shocked by the speed of news dissemination))
Just going to write it here...

They would have a live streaming web cam installed at 1C team HQ ............if they could.


:)

.

http://www.personal.psu.edu/rqr5023/blogs/nifty_news/cyberstalking.gif

[JG52Uther]

This thread is for new info from Sukhoi.ru
I have just deleted a few posts that have nothing to do with the subject, and you get a free pass for that, next time the infraction system will kick in for O/T.

[DroopSnoot]

Any news on Sukhoi about this upcoming beta?

[Insuber]

Nothing new since 08-Mar-2012. The sound of silence.

[6S.Tamat]

It is not sound of silence.. sound of vacation. And obviously now it is not friday, don't be exaggerately elastic.:)

[albx]

during the week this forum is dead, only friday there is somebody here waiting for a patch...

[Insuber]

It is not sound of silence.. sound of vacation. And obviously now it is not friday, don't be exaggerately elastic.:)

Tamat don't try to mistify us, you are the hottest fanboy of the whole forum :-D

[Heinz Laube]

http://mslk.com/reactions/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/coming-soon-never-coming-mslk1.gif

:grin::grin::grin:

[Kwiatek]

during the week this forum is dead, only friday there is somebody here waiting for a patch...

Really is anybody still waiting for patch? :shock:

[skouras]

come on guys relax...:rolleyes:

[6S.Tamat]

Tamat don't try to mistify us, you are the hottest fanboy of the whole forum :-D
I love too much the propellors to not be a fan boy..

[Robert]

during the week this forum is dead, only friday there is somebody here waiting for a patch...

It'll pick up once it's released. I think every body has had their chance to speak what's on their mind. Once that's done, there's nothing really to say until we get a reason to say something new. We wait, wait, wait. Then when news is posted we rinse, lather, repeat.

[Damixu]

http://mslk.com/reactions/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/coming-soon-never-coming-mslk1.gif

:grin::grin::grin:


Fixed that for ya!

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-bYJPSILaoag/T2A86SyyVTI/AAAAAAAAAKk/SSi0m64nT0k/s433/coming-soon-fever-coming.jpg


And you can also admire my amazing Paint skills! :grin:

[satchenko]

http://img4.org/images/clodog8io.gif

[desigabri]

http://img4.org/images/clodog8io.gif


:)))

[Raggz]

http://img4.org/images/clodog8io.gif

LOL, good one :)

[JG52Krupi]

http://img4.org/images/clodog8io.gif

Still makes me chuckle!

[furbs]

I would have "changed" the txt a little. :-P

[ATAG_MajorBorris]

haha, very funny:-)

[skouras]

http://img4.org/images/clodog8io.gif


looooooollllll
hahahahahaha.....

[5./JG27.Farber]

http://img4.org/images/clodog8io.gif

so true!

:)

[T}{OR]

Hehehehehe.... :D

[HamishUK]

come on guys relax...:rolleyes:

Yeah it's not like it's been a year since the game was launched and 5 months since the last patch.

[JG52Uther]

No fresh news from Sukhoi.ru?
OK if we get some let me know.

[BlackSix]

Unofficial status at 14:45
1) I have no information about the patch
2) I have no instructions to prepare an Friday information update

[Aer9o]

Unofficial status at 14:45
1) I have no information about the patch
2) I have no instructions to prepare an Friday information update

ok...it`s the usual then! no probs as we are refreshing the pages here!

[pupo162]

Unofficial status at 14:45
1) I have no information about the patch
2) I have no instructions to prepare an Friday information update

disapointed, but im used to it.

[EAF51/155_TonyR]

Thx Black6

[Verhängnis]

Unofficial status at 14:45
1) I have no information about the patch
2) I have no instructions to prepare an Friday information update

Wow, just wow... This damn company leaves me speachless. :-|

[Drum_tastic]

Unofficial status at 14:45
1) I have no information about the patch
2) I have no instructions to prepare an Friday information update

Thanks Black Six, that is a shame but if that is the way it is then all one can do is wait.

[Sammi79]

Unofficial status at 14:45
1) I have no information about the patch
2) I have no instructions to prepare an Friday information update

:cool: Thanks for letting us know, BlackSix. I shall check back next week.

Regards, Sam.

[mazex]

disapointed, but im used to it.

+ 1

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk

[StG2_Winni]

Wow, just wow... This damn company leaves me speachless. :-|

+1

If we don't get any information today then I say they do not deserve such a patient and humble community :confused:

[MoGas]

:evil:

[Allons!]

Thx BlackSix, for letting us know ;)

[Insuber]

Unofficial status at 14:45
1) I have no information about the patch
2) I have no instructions to prepare an Friday information update

Thank you BlackSix, I appreciate your communication efforts!

Cheers,
Insuber

[Dano]

Unofficial status at 14:45
1) I have no information about the patch
2) I have no instructions to prepare an Friday information update

No worries, I'm enjoying the sim as is and am happy that it is being worked on, enjoy your weekend :)

[SiThSpAwN]

I really look forward to the Friday updates, no matter what they are, I really hope the lack of update today is due to lack of new info and not a result of the hardcore trolls on this forum.

As stated above, I still play the game and enjoy much of it as it is, but I am too eagerly awaiting the performance updates we hope to get from the next patch.

Hope to see you back next Friday Blacksix, I need my IL2 update fix :D

[Trumper]

Thanks for your help Black6 BUT you must be feeling you're bashing your head against a brickwall same as we are.
NOT GOOD:(

[skouras]

thanks for the heads up..
back to BF3 and BMS for me;)

[BP_Tailspin]

Unofficial status at 14:45
1) I have no information about the patch
2) I have no instructions to prepare an Friday information update

Thanks for the update :-)

[satchenko]

Still continue playing with consumers. The money is already within the pockets ...

[GraveyardJimmy]

Not sure why people keep saying things like that. Surely they want people to buy BoM? If so then there is no value for them in messing people around, they want continued custom, not the one off purchase of CoD.

That said if there is nothing to report, an update saying "we are still working on the patch, no ETA as of yet, thanks for the patience" wouldn't go amiss, but I can almost understand why they dont update after looking through responses to the WIP screenshots etc.

[esmiol]

for the moment all friday update was unusefull thing... why not go on?

it is sas to see that they make a step forward in com with fryday update and two step behind after one week of hollidays.

but i still hope for a friday update .....

[Gourmand]

no yellow tree to show? are they find an issue about yellow color? :rolleyes:

[Rjel]

Unofficial status at 14:45
1) I have no information about the patch
2) I have no instructions to prepare an Friday information update

This is all starting to remind me of a bad Monty Python sketch. ;)
http://barrykade.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/completely.jpg

[Tavingon]

I really look forward to the Friday updates, no matter what they are, I really hope the lack of update today is due to lack of new info and not a result of the hardcore trolls on this forum.



Agreed, theres some really hard trolls set in stone roaming atm, I look forward to the next juicy patch but don't gripe about it

[Ataros]

Guys, come on, don't you follow the news? Putin "won" elections 12 days ago. No free speech and no free economy in Russia again.

Oleg developed original Il-2 in a free country and that made a difference.
Corruption Perceptions index: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_Perceptions_Index
143 Comoros 2.4 2.1 2.5 2.6
143 Mauritania 2.4 2.3 2.8 2.6 3.1
143 Nigeria 2.4 2.4 2.7 2.2 2.2 1.9 1.6 1.4 1.6
143 Russia 2.4 2.1 2.1 2.1 2.5 2.4 2.8 2.7 2.7
143 Timor-Leste 2.4 2.5 2.2 2.6 2.6
143 Togo 2.4 2.4 2.7 2.3 2.4
143 Uganda 2.4 2.5 2.6 2.8 2.7 2.5 2.6 2.2 2.1

How do you think corruption influences business?

[jimbop]

I have no idea how it affects business apart from a broad-based knowledge that it cannot be good for it. But I have to admit I had a good chuckle at one report of the election. Here's an extract describing one polling station result:

"The final tally: Putin, 1,482 votes; Gennady A. Zyuganov, the Communist Party leader, one vote.

This result was in itself statistically improbable. But even more difficult...to explain was the turnout: there were only 1,389 people registered in the precinct, meaning that the turnout was 107 percent."

[Red Dragon-DK]

I would love to discuss politics, but I'm not convinced this is the place to do it.

About the election results should have any influence on our Sim in the future, or any patch I can not predict. But I hope that the Russian people will be led in a way, with positive actions that benefit them all and all others in the rest of the world.

[Insuber]

Anyway they changed their mind about Friday updates only recently, if we look at a Sukhoi message of few days ago:

>>>B6: Plans for this work week (12.03-16.03):
1) engaged in the transfer of all incoming offers of assistance and cooperation 2) generate a list of number 4 of your wishes and requests - done 3) generate a list of number 4 with your questions - ongoing 4) prepare regular Friday update - ongoing.<<<<

It looks to me that B6 is really p***-off and needs some more rest.

[Insuber]

Unofficial status at 14:45
1) I have no information about the patch
2) I have no instructions to prepare an Friday information update

Dear BlackSix - I refer to your post in the locked thread, where you complain about the users negativity and you link this to the absence of a Friday update.
As an experienced manager in the services business let me give you a very friendly advice: closing the communication channels with your customers will not improve a tough situation, on the contrary it will worsen it. I already see - in this very forum - some long-time, faithful and disciplined users turn into angry terrorists. And your company needs prophets and apostles, not terrorists spreading negativity about your product. The success of Il2 Sturmovik was very much due to this "word of mouth" positive publicity. As I see it now you are setting up the stage for a completely opposite result: angry ex-customers telling to their friends to keep away from this product. And I I BELIEVE THAT MG DOESN'T DESERVE IT, BECAUSE OF THE HUNDRED THOUSAND HOURS OF DEDICATED AND PASSIONATE WORK which went into CloD.

In the customer-supplier relationship you have only one option: tell the customer the bad and the good news. Silemce is never a solution.

Cheers,
Insuber

[BlackSix]

I have understood in what a problem. I needed to explain it more in detail. Also, I'm sorry for my bad English.

Friday's update was in two parts earlier. This is the information about progress of work on a patch and information about the sequel.
I am against the publication of screenshots and information about the sequel in the near future. Too many negative reviews. Much more than positive. This is understandable. You expect us to fix CloD in the first place.

By 16 March, we did not prepare anything about the sequel. Also, I have not received information about patch. Friday's update was not.
I think that in the current situation we need to make a patch and give it to you and then continue to talk about the sequel. Ilya will solve this, not me.
Now I do not know about the update on March 23. The situation could happen again. All I can tell you now - the work continues.

[Insuber]

I have understood in what a problem. I needed to explain it more in detail. Also, I'm sorry for my bad English.

Friday's update was in two parts earlier. This is the information about progress of work on a patch and information about the sequel.
I am against the publication of screenshots and information about the sequel in the near future. Too many negative reviews. Much more than positive. This is understandable. You expect us to fix CloD in the first place.

By 16 March, we did not prepare anything about the sequel. Also, I have not received information about patch. Friday's update was not.
I think that in the current situation we need to make a patch and give it to you and then continue to talk about the sequel. Ilya will solve this, not me.
Now I do not know about the update on March 23. The situation could happen again. All I can tell you now - the work continues.

You are a good man. Working for us on Saturday, thank you! And your English is OK.

[addman]

I have understood in what a problem. I needed to explain it more in detail. Also, I'm sorry for my bad English.

Friday's update was in two parts earlier. This is the information about progress of work on a patch and information about the sequel.
I am against the publication of screenshots and information about the sequel in the near future. Too many negative reviews. Much more than positive. This is understandable. You expect us to fix CloD in the first place.

By 16 March, we did not prepare anything about the sequel. Also, I have not received information about patch. Friday's update was not.
I think that in the current situation we need to make a patch and give it to you and then continue to talk about the sequel. Ilya will solve this, not me.
Now I do not know about the update on March 23. The situation could happen again. All I can tell you now - the work continues.

Wow! Thanks B6, that cleared up a lot of things. Yet again it's all been misunderstandings. You had no news about the patch so no need to say anything, that is ok. You don't want to show anything from the sequel before CloD is fixed, that is also ok and classy IMO. Have I understood it correctly? Thanks again for clearing things up B6, a lot of misunderstandings can lead to unnecessary animosity. Keep up the good job!:grin:

[[URU]AkeR]

Its a shame, I enjoied very much the updates for the sequel.
As always a loud vocal trolling minority **** on the silent mature majority`s garden.

[ATAG_Snapper]

Thanks B6 for the straightforward response. Your English is fine; much, much better than my Russian.

[SG1_Lud]

I share Insuber's thoughts (great post).

Blacksix, than you for the the explanation. I prefer this version over the other, and I am convinced that is the truth.

S!

[6S.Manu]

I have understood in what a problem. I needed to explain it more in detail. Also, I'm sorry for my bad English.

Friday's update was in two parts earlier. This is the information about progress of work on a patch and information about the sequel.
I am against the publication of screenshots and information about the sequel in the near future. Too many negative reviews. Much more than positive. This is understandable. You expect us to fix CloD in the first place.

By 16 March, we did not prepare anything about the sequel. Also, I have not received information about patch. Friday's update was not.
I think that in the current situation we need to make a patch and give it to you and then continue to talk about the sequel. Ilya will solve this, not me.
Now I do not know about the update on March 23. The situation could happen again. All I can tell you now - the work continues.

Really interesting! B6 you are always welcomed here!

Thanks for your effort! ;)

[klem]

AkeR;400027']Its a shame, I enjoied very much the updates for the sequel.
As always a loud vocal trolling minority **** on the silent mature majority`s garden.

Well then I suggest BlackSix keeps to CoD updates and patch news in these 'CoD' threads.

If he or Luthier feel they have anything to say about the sequel they could use a 'Sequel' thread. Perhaps that would avoid people creating a conflict between the two separate issues.

[Skoshi Tiger]

AkeR;400027']Its a shame, I enjoied very much the updates for the sequel.


+1

As servers like Replka and ATAG can attest, many people are working around the issues with the current game and are having a great time using COD. Patches will come when they come, we can't hurry them up. I feel that it should be an an internal process of the development team to decide what is in the patches (and updates for that matter) and that it is their right as the artists that they are to do so.

I want to see whats happening over the horizon and I feel that the future direction of the sim is very important to the community. I feel that the BOM updates show a long term commitment to the series by the developers. This is really important from my point of view.

Thanks Black Six for your update and for the enthusiasm and effort that you and the development team are putting into the Il2 series.

[LoBiSoMeM]

AkeR;400027']Its a shame, I enjoied very much the updates for the sequel.
As always a loud vocal trolling minority **** on the silent mature majority`s garden.

My silence isn't a sign of 1C aproval.

I'm just tired. One year and we don't have a good graphic engine - major part of ANY good sim engine.

I'm just waiting for the "beta" patch with some NOTICEABLE graphics development.

I'm not happy.

[jayrc]

Same here, the sim is awesome, but the ctd, airplane vanishing, AA, hurricanes outperforming 109's, has me very sad at the moment, hope the patch comes soon so we can get back to loving our sim again.

[esmiol]

well like i see... the beta patch is still not for soon......

well.... if this patch is so long to come i hope the next ones will come quicker or then we will not have a good finished sims before ten years.

i understand devs take time to get a good patch but if this patch is not a solution for all technics problem. (i don't even speak about fm or dm...just the crash issue, fps etc...) then they won't have anybody more to convince... and their sequel will just be work done for nothing.

and if this patch is still long to coming out i' affraid that even fanboy of COD like me will be tired to wait for it .


i'm really sad because i love COD but for now and since 6 month it is unplayable for me because a crash to windows after 30mn. and for me it is absolutely impossible to make a good coop fly in 30 mn.

[Insuber]

well like i see... the beta patch is still not for soon......

well.... if this patch is so long to come i hope the next ones will come quicker or then we will not have a good finished sims before ten years.

i understand devs take time to get a good patch but if this patch is not a solution for all technics problem. (i don't even speak about fm or dm...just the crash issue, fps etc...) then they won't have anybody more to convince... and their sequel will just be work done for nothing.

and if this patch is still long to coming out i' affraid that even fanboy of COD like me will be tired to wait for it .

This is not a minor patch; they are recoding the foundations of the sim. Time is not an issue, communication is.

Cheers,
Insuber

[BlackSix]

Well then I suggest BlackSix keeps to CoD updates and patch news in these 'CoD' threads.

If he or Luthier feel they have anything to say about the sequel they could use a 'Sequel' thread. Perhaps that would avoid people creating a conflict between the two separate issues.

Creating a separate thread/section or forum will only be possible after the announcement. Before this event, we will give information about the sequel here (I don't know when the announcement will happen).

[Flanker35M]

S!

Any info is appreciated even it might look that the forum is full of raving lunatics :-P

[Skoshi Tiger]

S!

Any info is appreciated even it might look that the forum is full of raving lunatics :-P

+1 :)

[Allons!]

Now I do not know about the update on March 23. The situation could happen again. All I can tell you now - the work continues.

Good to know, thx again & Greetz from Berlin

[esmiol]

This is not a minor patch; they are recoding the foundations of the sim. Time is not an issue, communication is.

Cheers,
Insuber
yes...but where is communication here?

[SiThSpAwN]

yes...but where is communication here?


What more do you need to hear besides what they have told us? They are not going to give guesstimates, it only feeds the trolls.

[Ctrl E]

Creating a separate thread/section or forum will only be possible after the announcement. Before this event, we will give information about the sequel here (I don't know when the announcement will happen).

Hi black 6. Thanks for keeping us up to date. But most of us are simply wanting news about the patch. We are not really interested in BoM. Many of us are actually quite angry that all we seem to be getting is news about the sequel, when the original game is still broken.

[jayrc]

I'm pretty sure that all updates about sequel came with news about the patch, weather it's what you wanted to hear or not is alot different than saying they told you nothing, they are working on the patch and nothing to do with Bom is interfering with the patch.

[ATAG_Bliss]

I have understood in what a problem. I needed to explain it more in detail. Also, I'm sorry for my bad English.

Friday's update was in two parts earlier. This is the information about progress of work on a patch and information about the sequel.
I am against the publication of screenshots and information about the sequel in the near future. Too many negative reviews. Much more than positive. This is understandable. You expect us to fix CloD in the first place.

By 16 March, we did not prepare anything about the sequel. Also, I have not received information about patch. Friday's update was not.
I think that in the current situation we need to make a patch and give it to you and then continue to talk about the sequel. Ilya will solve this, not me.
Now I do not know about the update on March 23. The situation could happen again. All I can tell you now - the work continues.

Thanks for the info. Please keep it coming!

[BlackSix]

I thought that it will be interesting to you to know news about the sequel and asked the chief of information at all times. I was mistaken. Everybody is interested in CloD in the first place. However, if I don't have news on the progress of work on CloD now, you'll have empty Friday, as on March 16.

[furbs]

Cna you ask Luthier to make a post himself about CLOD? im sure people would welcome it.

We know you are trying your best Black6 and nobody here including myself blames you.

Keep going.

[CWMV]

Of course, but you do understand how it could very easily be seen as trying to pull a snow job on those of us disturbed about CoD don't you? Dangle the shiny new object in front of us while the product we have is kaput.

Personally I'm happy to see the updates on anything, as its what we all wanted before you came about here as the community manager. No sense in being angry about what we asked for. I only hope for more information pertinent to the repair of our defective product.

Many thanks.

[BlackSix]

Cna you ask Luthier to make a post himself about CLOD? im sure people would welcome it.

Yes, I'm asking. But Luthier can not give me the information is always, in every situation.

Of course, but you do understand how it could very easily be seen as trying to pull a snow job on those of us disturbed about CoD don't you? Dangle the shiny new object in front of us while the product we have is kaput.

I understand. But we did not want such a reaction. I'm sorry that all this happened.

[CWMV]

No need to apologize, you do a good job, and its a thankless job to boot.
Hope you get paid a lot!

[furbs]

Blacksix, we just want to know if CLOD's problems will be fixed, even if the answer is good or bad... if we know that then updates about BOM will be more welcome.

Please ask Luthier to look at my 10 questions again and think about answering them, it would help the feeling around here alot.

Again thanks for trying, your doing a good job in a tough place.

cheers.

[BlackSix]

No need to apologize, you do a good job, and its a thankless job to boot.
Hope you get paid a lot!

Forums occupy 10-15% of my time. My main work - the design of missions and historical research.

Blacksix, we just want to know if CLOD's problems will be fixed, even if the answer is good or bad... if we know that then updates about BOM will be more welcome.

Please ask Luthier to look at my 10 questions again and think about answering them, it would help the feeling around here alot.


The sequel is developed on the same engine as CloD. We can't release sequel until it will repair the engine.

We are not ready to announce now that will go into the final version of the patch. Sorry.

[furbs]

Ok understand about the patch, but do you know if the fixes are not in this final patch, will there be more patches to fix the problems with CLOD before BOM.

Thanks again for the information and reply's.

[Robert]

Yes, I'm asking. But Luthier can not give me the information is always, in every situation.



I understand. But we did not want such a reaction. I'm sorry that all this happened.


It's to be expected. You're dealing with people who are disappointed. Many of us see the release of BoM previews as a confirmation of the continued work on CoD and the longevity of this series. Others are insulted and think that the work on CoD has been foregone to work on BoM without the CoD issues fixed. I see both sides of the coin.

I personally think showing BoM previews was a good thing. I don't feel work on CoD has been abandoned and I don't feel hood winked by 1C.

I DO think 1C is smart enough to realize that if basic functionality isn't fixed for CoD, that future sales of BoM will.... well.... BOMB. To me it's pretty simple and there's no need for the charade of agony displayed by us members.

furbs. These questions are important, but they are really moot. 1C's future success resides with BoM. BoM's success resides with how well CoD is fixed. I don't think any of us are going to settle for things like insuficient RAM at game shows as to why the game doesn't run well. None of us are going to accept place holders for sounds like we did back last January. Cute little videos of Luthier playing "I dropped a Bomb on You" with nothing in his visual vacinity will not fool the community. I believe most of us will examine BoM closely and base our future purchase on how well CoD is optimized and made playable. This has to happen before BoM is released to the public. We're going to want a stable game... NOT PROOF af a stable game through video or updates, but to OWN a stable working CoD in each of our hard drives. I know my future purchase lays with that logic and performance by 1c. So, in essence (to me) your questions don't matter (at least not knowing doesn't bother me). And being that 1Cs future success resides with BoM, it is logical to me that the things you question are being worked on by the development team.


And seriously? Can you imagine the uproar if 1C said that things won't be fixed or gave bad news? The proof will be in the pudding. Not updates and answered questions.

[FG28_Kodiak]

@Blacksix
Maybe you could help me (missionbuilding), i try to assemble an industrial building i put the 4 parts together and if i try to save i get a error message
'Building "Bld_0" has unlinked hooks' so what are these hooks? And how to get them to work. Or is it not possible at the moment.

[BlackSix]

@Blacksix
Maybe you could help me (missionbuilding), i try to assemble an industrial building i put the 4 parts together and if i try to save i get a error message
'Building "Bld_0" has unlinked hooks' so what are these hooks? And how to get them to work. Or is it not possible at the moment.

Now this is impossible, it is our fault. The only option - try to put on a completely flat surface. But I can not promise it will work.

[FG28_Kodiak]

Ah ok thanks, so i will not longer try it ;)

[csThor]

Forums occupy 10-15% of my time. My main work - the design of missions and historical research.

I'm curious. Does that mean you'll be responsible primarily for the single missions, online mission templates etc for the new release? What is your view on what a makes a good mission? How far into the details do you go when researching and building? :)

[Wolf_Rider]

Blacksix, we just want to know if CLOD's problems will be fixed, even if the answer is good or bad...



(not to you personally, Furbs, but to your statement, which many have in mind...)

Do you realise why things take time? its because of fixing problems. WIll the problems be fix? It depends on developing the fixes... which goes back to the question of why do things take time.

DO you see what's happening? You're hassling for information you know is difficult to answer... why? (answer) because things take time.

Now there's no need to go getting on the firey steed and running amok, cutlass in hand, taking heads... things do not happen instantly (to the chagrin of many, be sure) they take time and will take as long as necessary.

There's no point in hassling, harrassing, threatening and blackmailing... things will be ready WHENthey're ready and not before, be sure.

Equally, I'm sure, there is limited response from the developers... well, for one, because of the utterly inane mindset (problem kiddies, not getting their way for example) or (minute by minute, line by line update info demands) some have here.

What do peop[le want each and every Friday? YESsss, the patch is being worked on and YESsss its coming together? oops, one fix has lead to another problem revealed, so more testing and writing? Friday after Friday after Friday. What the &$^#%!$ else would you really expect to get on patch progression updates? oh, hang on... I know - the patch is ready for public testing (only for people to again carry on like Attilla the Hun in forward charge, sword swinging) but that bit won't happen until its ready... FOR PUBLIC TESTING

For crying out loud... get off their backs, let them get on with and (importantly) treat them with the same respect you demand they show you !


/rant

[drewpee]

Thank you for your posts Blacksix.

[BlackSix]

I'm curious. Does that mean you'll be responsible primarily for the single missions, online mission templates etc for the new release? What is your view on what a makes a good mission? How far into the details do you go when researching and building? :)

Yes, I'll have to do missions in sequel.

A good mission is this: a detailed study of the historical time period required, a detailed mapping of the front line and the deployment of troops, the living world around the player (he must see events not related to his job), testing and selection of the balance.

It is easy to show by examples, but my campaign were published in Russia only.
http://games.1c.ru/il2_roads_of_war/
http://games.1c.ru/warroads2/
http://games.1c.ru/chuzoe_nebo/
You could only see my work "VVS'46" in IL-2:1946, but this is a hypothetical scenario of the war. Bad example, but there you can see details of airfields and ground war to the requirements of 2006.

In MG I work in the fall of 2003, but I did the mission on other people's scripts for the AEP and PF. For versions 4.05 and 4.06, I only supervised over creation of campaigns. It was a strange situation, I do not know why Oleg Maddox has chosen this way

I try to search the most detailed information and recheck everything. It's a long story...

[SlipBall]

Yes, I'll have to do missions in sequel.

A good mission is this: a detailed study of the historical time period required, a detailed mapping of the front line and the deployment of troops, the living world around the player (he must see events not related to his job), testing and selection of the balance.

It is easy to show by examples, but my campaign were published in Russia only.
http://games.1c.ru/il2_roads_of_war/
http://games.1c.ru/warroads2/
http://games.1c.ru/chuzoe_nebo/
You could only see my work "VVS'46" in IL-2:1946, but this is a hypothetical scenario of the war. Bad example, but there you can see details of airfields and ground war to the requirements of 2006.

In MG I work in the fall of 2003, but I did the mission on other people's scripts for the AEP and PF. For versions 4.05 and 4.06, I only supervised over creation of campaigns. It was a strange situation, I do not know why Oleg Maddox has chosen this way

I try to search the most detailed information and recheck everything. It's a long story...


You have both a difficult and I imagine a rewarding job to do, keep up your good work. :grin:

[csThor]

Yes, I'll have to do missions in sequel.

A good mission is this: a detailed study of the historical time period required, a detailed mapping of the front line and the deployment of troops, the living world around the player (he must see events not related to his job), testing and selection of the balance.

It is easy to show by examples, but my campaign were published in Russia only.
http://games.1c.ru/il2_roads_of_war/
http://games.1c.ru/warroads2/
http://games.1c.ru/chuzoe_nebo/
You could only see my work "VVS'46" in IL-2:1946, but this is a hypothetical scenario of the war. Bad example, but there you can see details of airfields and ground war to the requirements of 2006.

In MG I work in the fall of 2003, but I did the mission on other people's scripts for the AEP and PF. For versions 4.05 and 4.06, I only supervised over creation of campaigns. It was a strange situation, I do not know why Oleg Maddox has chosen this way

I try to search the most detailed information and recheck everything. It's a long story...

Looks like you're similar to me - only that I lose patience and drive quickly if things don't go the way I want them to go (which is why I never made a campaign). I'm having very high standards for missions - seeing a wrong aircraft type in a unit is enough to make my tonails curl. I'm similarly pedantic when it comes to ground composition and layout ...

What I had hoped for in the new engine is the ability to string longer colums together, say twenty to thirty vehicles of various types, be able to set their travelling speed as to coordinate this column with others (so that you can have a tank company intermingled with a motorized artillery battery and a battalion of motorized or mechanized infantry etc). I like lively environments, small scale engagements for some nameless village or strongpoint, moving supply columns in the back, artillery fire etc. All of that was a real pain in the rear to coordinate in 1946 so I had hoped the new engine would bring advances for the mission builder but those hopes have not been fulfilled (yet?). ;)

[kendo65]

Of course, but you do understand how it could very easily be seen as trying to pull a snow job on those of us disturbed about CoD don't you? Dangle the shiny new object in front of us while the product we have is kaput.
...

I think it was very unfortunate that this view took hold. Personally I was pleased to see news about the sequel. The problem was that it didn't have to be an 'either/or' situation - the discontent arose because of the repeated lack of comment on the patch and future plans for COD despite numerous requests.

If they'd have been responded to earlier there wouldn't have been any oxygen for the 'they're trying to distract us' fire to grow.

It's really unfortunate. I believe the news about the sequel was given for very genuine reasons. But in the current situation it couldn't compensate for what seemed to be a needless lack of openness about the current game.

I really don't want to comment on all this any more, but some people are still misrepresenting the views of people like myself as being about either demanding the patch NOW, or about being told when the patch will be released. That isn't the case. Most of us recognise the difficulties in finalising the patch for release and the danger in promising a release date.

Instead, what has been requested (repeatedly!) is news about development progress in the areas of: FM, AI, comms, DX11, etc, etc. This could be given in the context of a 'looking forwards in 2012' piece written by Luthier giving the view forward as he sees it now (along the lines of what has been done for ROF by Jason see:

http://riseofflight.com/Blogs/post/2012/02/10/ROF-Development-Plans-2012.aspx )

This could cover the envisaged sequence for how the features will be implemented after the graphics engine rewrite is completed, and could include plans for tree collision detection, use of the various crew animations, etc.

Blacksix, I hope that with this example you may have a better idea of what would please some of us to see here on the forum.

I recognise that any decision on this would have to come from Luthier. Thanks for your patience and your attempts to keep us informed. They are appreciated.

[Luftwaffepilot]

Blacksix,

if Luthier doesn't want to give you information about the patch, why don't you tell him to come here and post it by himself.
IF the team is working on the patch, you/Luthier can't pretend there's nothing to tell about it. That's just nonsense.
2 (or was it even 3) weeks ago you told us about a "last-minute issue" taking probably 2 more days to solve. Now it's 2 or 3 weeks? And there's nothing to tell? :rolleyes:

[BlackSix]

Blacksix,

if Luthier doesn't want to give you information about the patch, why don't you tell him to come here and post it by himself.
IF the team is working on the patch, you/Luthier can't pretend there's nothing to tell about it. That's just nonsense.
2 (or was it even 3) weeks ago you told us about a "last-minute issue" taking probably 2 more days to solve. Now it's 2 or 3 weeks? And there's nothing to tell? :rolleyes:

February 17 we were told honestly:
"Graphics-wise, we’re dealing with a last-minute issue as we speak. We rather unexpectedly found a problem with our aircraft decals, i.e. the code that places crosses and roundels and chevrons etc on top of the aircraft paintscheme. The code is being rewritten, the work should be finished in about 2 days."

Then began the new problems and changes in the timing of release. We can promise something now, but the situation again. I don't see in it sense.

[Dano]

No worries BlackSix, it's ready when it's ready as far as I am concerned, I don't need somebody to hold my hand and whisper repeatedly in my ear for the understanding that it's being worked on to become apparent.

[MD_Gunshy]

Thanks for all you do!;)

[Sutts]

Blacksix,

There are many like me that don't feel negative about the current situation and really appreciated the BoM material you posted. Please don't put too much weight on comments from a vocal minority.

I know that good things can take time to develop, especially in a product this complex. Thanks also for taking the time to compile and pass on the feedback we posted.

Keep smiling.....

[satchenko]

Blacksix,

Please don't put too much weight on comments from a vocal minority.

Really? "vocal minority"? are you sure?
:rolleyes:

[Luftwaffepilot]

Blacksix,

Please don't put too much weight on comments from a vocal minority.




You can say that cause it's not your money depending on this "vocal minority" (as you call the majority)

[nearmiss]

Blacksix,

if Luthier doesn't want to give you information about the patch, why don't you tell him to come here and post it by himself.
IF the team is working on the patch, you/Luthier can't pretend there's nothing to tell about it. That's just nonsense.
2 (or was it even 3) weeks ago you told us about a "last-minute issue" taking probably 2 more days to solve. Now it's 2 or 3 weeks? And there's nothing to tell? :rolleyes:

Your attitude is showing.

Everyone on this forums knows the story. Updates are not guaranteed.

Blacksix tells the truth and some of you guys don't respect that. You can't do better than absolute truth, you have to learn to deal with it. Maybe, if he lied about it and didn't give a flip what he said you'd be happier.

You keep it up and he will go away and you'll get zip for updates. He has a job working for the dev, but he is busy enough he doesn't have to do the community liason thing.

Just take what news you get as good news and bear with the rest of us who are glad to get that news.

It's not about being a customer, spending your money and such. I spent several thousand USD on a graphics program and I've had more problems with it than COD. Yeah... and I found a memory leak too. Goodluck on me getting my money back as well.

COD is a $50 program and many have paid as little as $10 USD for it. Put it away like so much other stuff and wait. Your frustration will diminish greatly, if you move onto other things you can enjoy.

Ragging on the developer will get you nothing, except into a worse situation than now. Most of us remember gettting NO NEWS or UPDATES. Yeah, and those were the days of joy for sure.

I give the devs a big star for trying, even if they can't put something out every week or so to appease some.

[Pudfark]

:rolleyes:

[robtek]

You can say that cause it's not your money depending on this "vocal minority" (as you call the majority)

The "majority" is patient waiting for the patch, only a impatient minority is vocalizing their discontentment, very often after a consent seems to be reached between forum and devs.

[Luftwaffepilot]

The "majority" is patient waiting for the patch, only a impatient minority is vocalizing their discontentment, very often after a consent seems to be reached between forum and devs.

Let's face it. The majority that counts for the devs simply doesn't buy this piece of software because of the bad reviews. And please don't tell me that the reviews are fake or that the people are only whining.

[SiThSpAwN]

Let's face it. The majority that counts for the devs simply doesn't buy this piece of software because of the bad reviews. And please don't tell me that the reviews are fake or that the people are only whining.

Nobody denies the issues, but bitching about the same thing day in and day out does nothing...

[Luftwaffepilot]

Nobody denies the issues, but bitching about the same thing day in and day out does nothing...


If I was into WWI sims I wouldn't even bother with Maddox Games. I'd just go straight to a company that, having faced similar problems, is able to provide constant info on the progress of its product (rise of flight). But sadly I'm not.

[SiThSpAwN]

If I was into WWI sims I wouldn't even bother with Maddox Games. I'd just go straight to a company that, having faced similar problems, is able to provide constant info on the progress of its product (rise of flight). But sadly I'm not.

Wonderful, but again, what does bitching about it say after day do for you, you dont think the devs know how much negativity is surrounding this game? All you are doing is increasing the negative vibe for yourself and others, it does no good.

[Luftwaffepilot]

Wonderful, but again, what does bitching about it say after day do for you, you dont think the devs know how much negativity is surrounding this game? All you are doing is increasing the negative vibe for yourself and others, it does no good.


I'm hoping for Luthier to bitch back to get at least some sign of life about CloD. ;)

[David Hayward]

I'm hoping for Luthier to bitch back to get at least some sign of life about CloD. ;)

Translation:

I'm trolling.

[SiThSpAwN]

I'm hoping for Luthier to bitch back to get at least some sign of life about CloD. ;)

Forums are like marriages... sometimes its just better not to say anything ;)

[mazex]

Dear BlackSix - I refer to your post in the locked thread, where you complain about the users negativity and you link this to the absence of a Friday update.
As an experienced manager in the services business let me give you a very friendly advice: closing the communication channels with your customers will not improve a tough situation, on the contrary it will worsen it. I already see - in this very forum - some long-time, faithful and disciplined users turn into angry terrorists. And your company needs prophets and apostles, not terrorists spreading negativity about your product. The success of Il2 Sturmovik was very much due to this "word of mouth" positive publicity. As I see it now you are setting up the stage for a completely opposite result: angry ex-customers telling to their friends to keep away from this product. And I I BELIEVE THAT MG DOESN'T DESERVE IT, BECAUSE OF THE HUNDRED THOUSAND HOURS OF DEDICATED AND PASSIONATE WORK which went into CloD.

In the customer-supplier relationship you have only one option: tell the customer the bad and the good news. Silemce is never a solution.

Cheers,
Insuber

+1 on everything in your post, and I hope you count me in as one of the formerly disciplined users that has turned "to the dark side". I also work as a manager in the software development business and I work a lot with process development for service support and delivery using ITIL as a framework like most other large companies. Customers can take a LOT if you communicate with them and many times you get amazed with the things they can accept if they get a fast response and regular updates on their reported incidents. What does NOT work is blaming others and failing to communicate back that their problem unfortunately is not solved yet.

One can also be amazed at the bad-will that can happen if a user that has an annoying problem with your software files an incident and it gets stuck in the system so the user even doesn't get a response in weeks. Suddenly you make the first page of some major newspaper and then the situation is out of your control... Modern media where all newspaper articles are also posted on websites with public blogs attached to each article makes this even worse. Suddenly the bad publicity article about your company gets a thread with hundreds of other users that whine about the problem that never should have been up for public discussion in the first place. That's a fact with the new communications channels available now.

For a product like this forums are a major communication channel. If you fail to acknowledge that and the irritation among your customers gets as bad as it is here now you have a major problem. Starting to hint that the reason your disappointed customers wont get updates is because they are too irritated about the lack of communication is really not that good of an idea? Kind of like the death penalty... The society says you can't kill people so now we kill you to set an example.

Just as you say, last week many former supporters like myself had enough and joined the irritated group after the over-moderation here combined with the statement that we won't get any updates as we are so irritated... If I was the manager at MG I would take this dead serious and do the only thing possible to correct it by spending an hour posting here this Friday, and then spend 30 minutes each week for the regular Friday updates... But that's my opinion and it seems like the management of MG think another way about how to spend their time. They are really far down the trust road with their most loyal customers - and that is serious business where you have to accept that even if you are dead tired of the childish attitude of them - you have to bite the pillow and respond in a polite manner! That's how it works unfortunately...

[Towarisch]

ONLY A PATCH without BUG´s etc. is a good PATCH.;)



So we will wait for it. Then it´s SPRING:):):):)





THX


Towarisch

[Walrus1]

This, finally, is the update. Very brief, but to the point:



Then began the new problems and changes in the timing of release. We can promise something now, but the situation again. I don't see in it sense.


Initially it was stated that the patch was ready and then a very minor sounding bug was found.

Now, we learn there are 'new problems.'

Of course this was suspected, but why not just say it in an update: 'We had thought we were very close but now are stuck on a few new problems that came up. Patch release postponed without a clear time frame known.'

That would have been a much better communication strategy. Not 'there is no information and you customers are too irritating to respond to until I feel like it.'

[addman]

Of course this was suspected, but why not just say it in an update: 'We had thought we were very close but now are stuck on a few new problems that came up. Patch release postponed without a clear time frame known.

Because it would be too simple and make too much sense. Seriously though I agree here, keep the updates frank, clear and to the point and I bet there will be less confusion and uproars.

[nearmiss]

It won't make any difference.

The members that care and are in good standing will continue to do what they do and the troublemakers will always find ways to spread their ilk.

Update or no update those of us who know the score will be fine with it.

We're just waiting for the patches...

:grin:

[Aer9o]

It won't make any difference.

The members that care and are in good standing will continue to do what they do and the troublemakers will always find ways to spread their ilk.

Update or no update those of us who know the score will be fine with it.

We're just waiting for the patches...

:grin:


TRUE,... however there are limits! Something is got to give, there must be some alpha or beta patch available by now which we all will be more than happy to test!... Why they do not release that?

[flyingblind]

Because, as has been said ad nauseum, there would be no point. If a stop gap, probably buggy interim patch were released then the knashing of teeth and rending of garments would be deafening. The developers have said that as far as they are concerned the only thing that will pacify the customers is a fully working patch that fixes the major problems besetting the game at the moment. And that is what they have promised and are concentrating on. Until they are sure it is in the bag they are not giving any hints, timelines or concrete information as clearly some just cannot cope with the disappointment should some unforeseen slip occure between cup and lip.

I mean, how many explanations and apologies do you need from BlackSix before you accept they are communicating.

[mazex]

Because, as has been said ad nauseum, there would be no point. If a stop gap, probably buggy interim patch were released then the knashing of teeth and rending of garments would be deafening. The developers have said that as far as they are concerned the only thing that will pacify the customers is a fully working patch that fixes the major problems besetting the game at the moment. And that is what they have promised and are concentrating on. Until they are sure it is in the bag they are not giving any hints, timelines or concrete information as clearly some just cannot cope with the disappointment should some unforeseen slip occure between cup and lip.

I mean, how many explanations and apologies do you need from BlackSix before you accept they are communicating.

Well, working like that when developing software is how it was done in the 80:ies and 90:ies. Developers worked with fixed requirements set the start of the project, fixed resources but in reality no fixed point of delivery as all requirements had to be done before release - and minimal customer involvement accept for the initial requirements... After a while the customers got so annoyed with the results that took forever and did not meet the customers expectations that the development managers realized that it maybe was a bad idea to work like that? These days the most of the software development world work in another way (agile development, XP, Scrum - there are many names but the same core principle applies). You have fixed resources, fixed points of delivery (you release to customers every 3-6 weeks) and the thing that is variable is what gets into the release... You work tight with the customers and get feedback every month from the end users what they liked and when you start the next sprint (the 3-6 week long iteration that end with a new end user delivery) you use the customer feedback to decide what goes into the sprint. After hearing that the users that really liked X but not Y the way it worked in the system it's possible to maybe focus more on X and less on Y in the next sprint? Or maybe ditch Y? Or fix it? Without the feedback from the customers there are just a bunch of engineers guessing what the end users like - and engineers are not good at guessing! ;)

But not in mother Russia...

[SlipBall]

They are a very small studio and we are lucky to have them, just hold on and enjoy the parts that are playable with your system while you wait. I enjoy it now, and look forward to any improvements that help people waiting to fly...people need to upgrade their systems though:)

[Rjel]

It won't make any difference.

The members that care and are in good standing will continue to do what they do and the troublemakers will always find ways to spread their ilk.

Update or no update those of us who know the score will be fine with it.

We're just waiting for the patches...

:grin:

I think most care more than you think. Not everyone expresses themselves as well as they might. Some here truly do stir the pot. Others I think, like myself, have adopted a wait and see approach. The rest have been able to maintain an amazing enthusiasm for CoD. But IMO, it's the us verses them attitude that is growing here that spells doom for this "community". Especially when it is fostered by the mods.

[vranac]

they are a very small studio and we are lucky to have them, just hold on and enjoy the parts that are playable with your system while you wait. I enjoy it now, and look forward to any improvements that help people waiting to fly...people need to upgrade their systems though:)

+100 :)

[Walrus1]

They are a very small studio and we are lucky to have them, just hold on and enjoy the parts that are playable with your system while you wait. I enjoy it now, and look forward to any improvements that help people waiting to fly...

+101.

I agree (despite being critical of recent public relations efforts).

This is a cool project, obviously very technically challenging. It takes time to bring it to its full potential.

[badaboom]

I'm not very vocal here on these forums,I look forward to the patch and really do enjoy the videos/ pics of the upcoming sequel.

I very much hope the Friday updates continue,Thank You

[skouras]

I'm not very vocal here on these forums,I look forward to the patch and really do enjoy the videos/ pics of the upcoming sequel.

I very much hope the Friday updates continue,Thank You

you are very welcome here...;)

[gelbevierzehn]

they are a very small studio and we are lucky to have them, just hold on and enjoy the parts that are playable with your system while you wait. I enjoy it now, and look forward to any improvements that help people waiting to fly...people need to upgrade their systems though:)

+102

[JG52Krupi]

Well said Slipball, a bit of perspective doesn't hurt.. pity not all members have this ability.

[MegOhm]

The point is we bought an unfinished product that is still not working a year later... We bought the initial version on good faith...but we still have a Sim that you can't fly for more than 30 mins most of the time in MP.... It is no wonder customers are stomping their feet.. Frankly, with what has transpired, it is not surprising at all...it is easy to lose faith after so long. I would be shocked if this Sim survives and becomes what we thought we were buying.

Nothing to see here? If anything significant happens, I will see it when Steam Downloads whatever is coming next errr... whenever.

[philip.ed]

MegOhm is right. Whilst the team is small, underfunded (?), limited by certain factors etc etc, it doesn't excuse a shoddy product or false statements, or even comments saying they won't offer the community anything because certain people are negative.

hardly professional. You can sugar-coat it as much as you want, but the time has come now for the buyers to choose whether or not they will offer their continuing support. It seems the more engrossed you get in the politics, the more you're put off supporting the team.

It is best to play something else and be patient, but as I said above: it doesn't excuse a faulty product.

Many forum members have been tireless in offering the team support, information etc and I don't think they have really gotten anything in return; least of all messages saying that, because the team is upset, they may discontinue weekly updates. It seems rather childish to me.


Best scenario? Let it dry out. It's only a PC game. If they don't need to community as much as they let on, we have nothing to worry about. This sim isn't going to go anywhere anytime soon.

[Sutts]

MegOhm is right. Whilst the team is small, underfunded (?), limited by certain factors etc etc, it doesn't excuse a shoddy product or false statements, or even comments saying they won't offer the community anything because certain people are negative.

hardly professional. You can sugar-coat it as much as you want, but the time has come now for the buyers to choose whether or not they will offer their continuing support. It seems the more engrossed you get in the politics, the more you're put off supporting the team.

It is best to play something else and be patient, but as I said above: it doesn't excuse a faulty product.

Many forum members have been tireless in offering the team support, information etc and I don't think they have really gotten anything in return; least of all messages saying that, because the team is upset, they may discontinue weekly updates. It seems rather childish to me.


Best scenario? Let it dry out. It's only a PC game. If they don't need to community as much as they let on, we have nothing to worry about. This sim isn't going to go anywhere anytime soon.


You lot really are unbelievable, you're not even considerate enough to wait for the patch before passing further judgement. You KNOW the team are working hard to fix the product. You KNOW the patch is close to release. You've seen what they've already achieved with regards to sound but no.....you have to lay the bl**dy boot in again, and again and again.

And MegOhm says, oh, I don't think the product will survive, the sky is falling down.

Get a grip you guys. You remind me of some thugs standing over a victim and kicking them in the teeth every time they try to get up. No help whatsoever. Achieving NOTHING, ZILCH, ZIP.

[DroopSnoot]

Sutts I see you, kicking phillip in the teeth because he has a different opinion. I see you getting cross and swearing I see you raising the aggression bar. Nothing Philip or MegOhm said was untruthfull or a lie.
You just dont want to hear it or accept it.
Is the sky falling if you accept it as the truth that some paying customers may feel this way after a year, I think not so take some of the medicine you wish to dish out and chill the heck out.

[6S.Tamat]

Sutts I see you, kicking phillip in the teeth because he has a different opinion. I see you getting cross and swearing I see you raising the aggression bar. Nothing Philip or MegOhm said was untruthfull or a lie.
You just dont want to hear it or accept it.


+1

[Insuber]

Not to be cynical, but this place is turning from a boring place to an highly entertaining arena. 1C should sell the tickets.

[Sutts]

Sutts I see you, kicking phillip in the teeth because he has a different opinion. I see you getting cross and swearing I see you raising the aggression bar. Nothing Philip or MegOhm said was untruthfull or a lie.
You just dont want to hear it or accept it.
Is the sky falling if you accept it as the truth that some paying customers may feel this way after a year, I think not so take some of the medicine you wish to dish out and chill the heck out.


That may be true DroopSnoot, I just see negative statements like this to be unnecessary and potentially damaging to the way visitors to the forum perceive the product.

"the time has come now for the buyers to choose whether or not they will offer their continuing support"

"the more you're put off supporting the team"


Why even talk about cutting support for the developer when we haven't even seen what they've been working hard to deliver these past months? At least give them the chance to rectify things.

[6S.Tamat]

Not to be cynical, but this place is turning from a boring place to an highly entertaining arena. 1C should sell the tickets.

Actually now there is no other reason to be here, cause we all know that no patch will be soon nether a real update about it...:grin:

[Sammi79]

Not to be cynical, but this place is turning from a boring place to an highly entertaining arena. 1C should sell the tickets.

:grin: I had dropped off here, only checking weekly for the official updates but lately it has become astonishingly fun daily entertainment. I will be a little sad when the patch/new release comes out and the meltdowns stop. But then, I'm sure after a subsequent month or so it will be back to normality (as it is now)

Regards, Sam.

[carguy_]

Actually now there is no other reason to be here, cause we all know that no patch will be soon nether a real update about it...:grin:
Can you direct me to the post in which Luthieer/BlackSix said so?

[philip.ed]

That may be true DroopSnoot, I just see negative statements like this to be unnecessary and potentially damaging to the way visitors to the forum perceive the product.

"the time has come now for the buyers to choose whether or not they will offer their continuing support"

"the more you're put off supporting the team"


Why even talk about cutting support for the developer when we haven't even seen what they've been working hard to deliver these past months? At least give them the chance to rectify things.

I'm not supporting these suggestions at. I'm merely playing Devil's Advocate. Look at my last few postings, and my stance should seem pretty clear. The team has no wish to upset the community and ruin their business, but recent postings (perhaps translation issues?) appear otherwise.

I don't think people need to be lectured to offer support. If a new customer came here, unsatisfied with the product, and had the developer post a Banjo video, they would be pretty annoyed. You have to be a long-term member to see the humour; so if we are to assume the team are catering for the long term members, and the long term members are now getting annoyed....

it's a tricky situation.

I promote what I've always said before: a topic may have a few negative posts, but if left in isolation they are harmless. If they get expanded into 20 page topics, it's then that the aggression, flaming, nastiness comes out. From all sides.

[6S.Manu]

:grin: I had dropped off here, only checking weekly for the official updates but lately it has become astonishingly fun daily entertainment. I will be a little sad when the patch/new release comes out and the meltdowns stop. But then, I'm sure after a subsequent month or so it will be back to normality (as it is now)

Regards, Sam.

I hope the patch is going to be released soon (2 weeks?)... or there's going to be a bloodbath here. :-|

I admit that following the daily Heroes against Cerberus and his pets is really amusing, but it's decreasing my productivity as worker. :-(

[Friendly_flyer]

I'm not very vocal here on these forums,I look forward to the patch and really do enjoy the videos/ pics of the upcoming sequel.

I very much hope the Friday updates continue,Thank You

Hm, we could do with a "like" function on this forum.

[SlipBall]

I don't get it...if I can go on-line and really enjoy it, why can't others with better system than me:confused:...this sim is awesome even in the rough.

[CWMV]

Because its not a matter of hardware, its a matter of glaring errors and omissions.

[addman]

I don't get it...if I can go on-line and really enjoy it, why can't others with better system than me:confused:...this sim is awesome even in the rough.

I also have a modest system and can enjoy it online. I just came back from an online session at ATAG, after 20 minutes inflight in my ju-88 I was just reaching the English coastline to take out the supply depot. I was so excited since it was my first online raid in a ju-88, just as I started to get a visible on the target I got the dreaded launcher crash, if my girlfriend and baby daughter wouldn't have been asleep a lot of foul and harsh language would have ensued. I'm just sticking to offline now, my time is too valuable, I only have time to play late at night and 20 lost minutes is a lot for me.:(

[SlipBall]

I also have a modest system and can enjoy it online. I just came back from an online session at ATAG, after 20 minutes inflight in my ju-88 I was just reaching the English coastline to take out the supply depot. I was so excited since it was my first online raid in a ju-88, just as I started to get a visible on the target I got the dreaded launcher crash, if my girlfriend and baby daughter wouldn't have been asleep a lot of foul and harsh language would have ensued. I'm just sticking to offline now, my time is too valuable, I only have time to play late at night and 20 lost minutes is a lot for me.:(

Wow bummer! I've yet to have one of those on-line, give a shout out if you see me, for an escort.

[addman]

Wow bummer! I've yet to have one of those on-line, give a shout out if you see me, for an escort.

I don't get a lot of CTD's or launcher crashes but they always come at the worst possible moment it seems.:):( Yes! I could use an escort on those missions from Tramecourt, an irritating spit tried to take my Br.20 down last night, took out two of my gunners but I made it back to French soil.:grin:

[Jaws2002]

I don't get a lot of CTD's or launcher crashes but they always come at the worst possible moment it seems.:):( Yes! I could use an escort on those missions from Tramecourt, an irritating spit tried to take my Br.20 down last night, took out two of my gunners but I made it back to French soil.:grin:

Later last night we really beat the Brits like a red headed step child.
Thanks to awesome power of the Ju-88 and Bf-110 and great help from Bf-109 pilots going in front and dragging the RAF low (Thank you Tonka!http://www.ccpcreations.com/smilies/bow.gif), all targetrs went down in just over an hour.
Pure blitzkrieg.:twisted:


After RAF pilots signed the surrender papers, we made them wash our bombers and play Luftwaffe Marches. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v258/<FA>Jaws/mockface.gif

[klem]

Later last night we really beat the Brits like a red headed step child.
Thanks to awesome power of the Ju-88 and Bf-110 and great help from Bf-109 pilots going in front and dragging the RAF low (Thank you Tonka!http://www.ccpcreations.com/smilies/bow.gif), all targetrs went down in just over an hour.
Pure blitzkrieg.:twisted:


After RAF pilots signed the surrender papers, we made them wash our bombers and play Luftwaffe Marches. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v258/<FA>Jaws/mockface.gif

That must have been after 56RAF left :P
We hacked down quite a few 109s and Do17s.

Is it politically correct to say "we really beat the Brits like a red headed step child".

My daughter is red headed though not a step child. She wants to know if you play WoW or LOTRO etc., so she can hunt you down and show you what a red headed child can do.

Be afraid!

[ATAG_MajorBorris]

Between red headed step childs, Blitzkrieg and Br20's it sounds like you guys were having fun:grin:

[bw_wolverine]

Later last night we really beat the Brits like a red headed step child.
Thanks to awesome power of the Ju-88 and Bf-110 and great help from Bf-109 pilots going in front and dragging the RAF low (Thank you Tonka!http://www.ccpcreations.com/smilies/bow.gif), all targetrs went down in just over an hour.
Pure blitzkrieg.:twisted:


After RAF pilots signed the surrender papers, we made them wash our bombers and play Luftwaffe Marches. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v258/<FA>Jaws/mockface.gif

I believe we got our own back in the next mission :)

And I seem to recall a 110 that had its wing blown off from a 1/4 second burst of Spitfire .303s :twisted:

[Jaws2002]

And I seem to recall a 110 that had its wing blown off from a 1/4 second burst of Spitfire .303s :twisted:


$@*&^)$&@)*$ :lol::lol:

That was quite a shock. I just saw a big fireball and my wing was gone.:o I was like: WTF? HAX!!:lol:

It was a long swim back to france.:mrgreen:
Your Blenheims did a great job. Got all the ships in one pass. Very impressive.:)

[bw_wolverine]

$@*&^)$&@)*$ :lol::lol:

That was quite a shock. I just saw a big fireball and my wing was gone.:o I was like: WTF? HAX!!:lol:

It was a long swim back to france.:mrgreen:
Your Blenheims did a great job. Got all the ships in one pass. Very impressive.:)

Just before we got the final target, I was lining up on another 110 near Boulogne. Just about to give him a squirt and CTD >:(

It's funny how some nights the game is an absolute joy to play and other nights you want to uninstall and flail your arms like a demented octopus. Not even talking about the CTDs here.

I think I definitely enjoy the game a LOT more when people are taking care of objectives rather than just looking for prey. For that reason I almost always exclusively do escort work for the bombers now or patrol our objectives in defense.

[Insuber]

I just hacked 2 Hurris and 3 or 4 Wellies on ATAG, but the fun was somehow ruined by the sight of the first Hurri flying with half a wing missing, turning and going back home. It was eventually declared downed later, much later, as AI, I guess that he just landed and respawned.

[Dano]

I just hacked 2 Hurris and 3 or 4 Wellies on ATAG, but the fun was somehow ruined by the sight of the first Hurri flying with half a wing missing, turning and going back home. It was eventually declared downed later, much later, as AI, I guess that he just landed and respawned.

Yeh, it's a bit off putting when the visual damage model is at odds with the physical, I had the old exploding 109 the other night, big fireball and he just carried on flying :(

[Insuber]

Yeah playing CloD is frustrating because a great project is put off by a quantity of bugs. You see them at TO, combat, cruising etc. In just every situation there are some bugs showing off.

I've just found a new bug, the invisible cockpit: after landing and turning off the engine, when your plane vanishes and you are suspended 10 feet high in the air, the clickable cockpit labels still pop out when overing the mouse around.

[SiThSpAwN]

Yeah playing CloD is frustrating because a great project is put off by a quantity of bugs. You see them at TO, combat, cruising etc. In just every situation there are some bugs showing off.

I've just found a new bug, the invisible cockpit: after landing and turning off the engine, when your plane vanishes and you are suspended 10 feet high in the air, the clickable cockpit labels still pop out when overing the mouse around.

Wonder Woman's jet modeled in game?

[bw_wolverine]

I just hacked 2 Hurris and 3 or 4 Wellies on ATAG, but the fun was somehow ruined by the sight of the first Hurri flying with half a wing missing, turning and going back home. It was eventually declared downed later, much later, as AI, I guess that he just landed and respawned.

Have you flown the Hurricane with half a wing missing? It's not exactly easy.

I've had this happen to me a couple of times. Flying it back to base is very difficult and you have no possibility to do any real evasive moves without going into a spin. Attacking anything other than a target that is unaware or unable/unwilling to evade is pretty much impossible.

Plenty of real planes took damage like this and flew back home if enough of the wing was left to create lift on that side.

I find the exploding 109 thing far more frustrating from a DM point of view. I watched a 109 explode not once, but TWICE and keep flying along and evading and ATTACKING.

[Insuber]

Have you flown the Hurricane with half a wing missing? It's not exactly easy.

I've had this happen to me a couple of times. Flying it back to base is very difficult and you have no possibility to do any real evasive moves without going into a spin. Attacking anything other than a target that is unaware or unable/unwilling to evade is pretty much impossible.

Plenty of real planes took damage like this and flew back home if enough of the wing was left to create lift on that side.

I find the exploding 109 thing far more frustrating from a DM point of view. I watched a 109 explode not once, but TWICE and keep flying along and evading and ATTACKING.

I believe you. But I've seen the entire scene of the wingless Hurry (about 50% of the wing) from a very close position :-). It was quite unrealistic, the plane didn't oscillate a bit, it looked very stable, she did an almost perfect turn and glided back towards base. I didn't finish her on purpose - I love posing as a gentle knight :-). By the way I had the same experience on a 109, I was able to fly her back and ditch without half a wing.

[Insuber]

A recent message by B6, very appropriate to the current debate:

B6:
<<<<You can close your eyes for a message containing a pure and perfect hatred for us and our work. It happens. However, most of the negative posts, the forum on the west for example, is based on a completely fair reproach and conclusions. Another question that they are not of interest because of the repetitive, but the problem of this does not disappear, and it has to be dealt with. What I write here - so far only my vision of the situation and recommendations of the top, this is not a final decision is not leadership.>>>>



As I said, he is a nice guy

[zapatista]

so are you folks reporting those bugs in the bug thread ?

kinda pointless being frustrated about it if there isnt a steady stream of reports about those problems, and luthier and Co wont come looking in obscure other threads for crumbs of info :)

[bw_wolverine]

so are you folks reporting those bugs in the bug thread ?

kinda pointless being frustrated about it if there isnt a steady stream of reports about those problems, and luthier and Co wont come looking in obscure other threads for crumbs of info :)

All of these have been reported long ago.

Frankly, if they took care of HALF of what has been reported, I would call that a good day.

As for the 'oscillation', I doubt the vibrations would be visible from another plane or even that noticeable from inside it unless you're really really close to something (like the ground on landing). Landing in one of those half winged planes is quite a trick to do well. Aside from that, it's fun to try and nurse a severely damaged plane home. So, as bugs go, it happens rarely enough and provides a bit of fun. The only people who really aren't happy with it are those who want the kill (and if they really want it, the guy isn't in a position to fight back anyway, so just make another pass).

As for B6's comments above, regardless of how 'justified' a lot of what is being said on these forums is, I sincerely hope that the level of conversation can at least be raised up. Arguing that the product isn't finished might be cathartic, but at this point, there's no need for any more of it. They know what they need to do. Let them get on with it. There IS a patch coming. Once they deliver it, then we go back and see what is left to fix and request that they do it.

[Liz Lemon]

http://i713.photobucket.com/albums/ww140/_Flattop/BobKingsAvenger.jpg

You can also fly aircraft with ripped off wings in other flight sims; http://forjets.netfirms.com/page5.html

[CWMV]

A 109 is no Avenger.

[Insuber]

http://i713.photobucket.com/albums/ww140/_Flattop/BobKingsAvenger.jpg

You can also fly aircraft with ripped off wings in other flight sims; http://forjets.netfirms.com/page5.html

I've seen that photo several times. But it looks that all the reports/pictures of "half a wing missing and flying straight" regard only a handful models of planes, namely heavy and stable ones (P47, TBD Avengers ...). I would be curious to know if swift & unstable planes (109, Spitfires, Hawker Hurricanes) would offer the same behavior, from an aerodynamic point of view. But this is a bit OT :-D

[Flanker35M]

S!

And this Avenger crashed into sea near the CV group because it could not land and it had been a handfull to fly. There is more to the story than just the pic ;) And even in pic you see the pilot is not sitting relaxed to keep the plane in control..lot of work as it seems to me.

[JG52Krupi]

Also it had tail damage, the rear part of the fuselage took a hit in the collision as well.

[BGs_Ricky]

I think that this kind of stuff might happen, but it should never be as common as you can see it now in CoD.

Mind that you can see this kind of stuff in ROF too, Camels or Dr.Is flying with just two half-wings and such, apparently there's sometimes a discrepancy between the real damage of the plane and the actual representation on the plane's 3D model...

[Insuber]

Just to break this negative mood, I'll open a thread about "what I like the most in CloD".

[JG52Krupi]

Just to break this negative mood, I'll open a thread about "what I like the most in CloD".

With my superior wisdom I predict a vast amount of irony and sarcasm followed by bellows of "fanboi" and "whiner"... Let's hope I am wrong ;)

[Insuber]

With my superior wisdom I predict a vast amount of irony and sarcasm followed by bellows of "fanboi" and "whiner"... Let's hope I am wrong ;)

No, if mods will delete the OTs - doing the job they are paid for (paid with our appreciation, I mean ... :-))

[ElAurens]

I've seen that photo several times. But it looks that all the reports/pictures of "half a wing missing and flying straight" regard only a handful models of planes, namely heavy and stable ones (P47, TBD Avengers ...). I would be curious to know if swift & unstable planes (109, Spitfires, Hawker Hurricanes) would offer the same behavior, from an aerodynamic point of view. But this is a bit OT :-D


Hurricane swift and unstable? Not any I've ever flew in IL2 or Cliffs.

:grin:

But I admit, it's been a while.

[DroopSnoot]

Hurricanes are about as rock solid as they come, loose most of a wing in a spit and your hitting the silk, in a hurricane i think its probably with good pilot skill able to get back under some form of stable control to at least climb to bail if needed.
I've had it happen online about 5 times and every time I've made it abck to base.

Shame it always gets blown off in the same point though. I though damage was real time?

[bw_wolverine]

Hurricane swift and unstable? Not any I've ever flew in IL2 or Cliffs.

:grin:

But I admit, it's been a while.

Agreed. The Hurricane was notable as a stable gun platform when compared to the Spitfire. I should note, that any significant loss of wing in CloD that I've had while in a Spitfire has resulted in a spin from which no recovery was possible. I've only ever been able to fly the Hurricane in such a state (and with a lot of work at that).

Also, the Hurricane's wing is rather thick near the fuselage. I believe it creates a significant amount of lift there. I've no idea what exactly is going on with the flight model, but it's believable enough for me. Strikes that line between real and fun. I know it's a simulation and as such FULL real is supposed to be fun, but there's no way they can make it FULL real short of shipping an invitation to come out and fly a real Hurricane at Duxford in the software box. So they get as close as they can and hopefully it's fun.

I honestly haven't studied the 109 in enough detail to know what roughly how it might perform without pieces of its wing/tail assembly. I believe their wings are much thinner and might cause more problems in such situations though.

[Insuber]

With my superior wisdom I predict a vast amount of irony and sarcasm followed by bellows of "fanboi" and "whiner"... Let's hope I am wrong ;)

So far, so good ... :-)

[Ataros]

Probably there is no patch this week.

[6S.Tamat]

Two weeks more..:grin:



yes i know.. almost trolling but I could'nt avoid...

[albx]

Two weeks more..:grin:



yes i know.. almost trolling but I could'nt avoid...

I think more than 2 weeks.... 2 months to be optimistic

[Insuber]

Well, take it or leave it ... and the more they work, the less the bugs ... and more improvemens! I take it as a positive indication.

[mazex]

Google translate from Sukhoi today:

Posted by xpzorg
Alexander, absolutely no new news from the front, no?

BlackSix:
Not yet, this week, the probability of the patch is small.

Does not sound THAT bad to my Google translate ear - almost makes me cry out "two weeks"... As I interpret that they are actually rather close as there at least seems to be a microscopic chance of a patch this week... A "small chance" is a lot better that "There will be no patch this week"? Does not sound like two months at least - but we have been wrong many times before ;)

[satchenko]

We're not going to have the beta patch tomorrow, i´m sure. But neither a fews screenshots of the current work? nothing this friday again? Words is not enough for me at this time.
I suspect that most of us are still punished by our little patience with the developers...

[LoBiSoMeM]

We're not going to have the beta patch tomorrow, i´m sure. But neither a fews screenshots of the current work? nothing this friday again? Words is not enough for me at this time.
I suspect that most of us are still punished by our little patience with the developers...

Little patience? Is it some joke? ;)

[Chivas]

Little patience? Is it some joke? ;)

The forums have been full of "little patience" for years. ;)

[Jatta Raso]

these shukoi news aren't very fresh indeed :confused:

[machoo]

I suspect that most of us are still punished by our little patience with the developers...

Yeah how dare we request some more information about a product we paid for that should never have been released in it's current state. Shame on us.

[BlackSix]

Mini-update:
The patch is still not ready, do not expect it this week.

[addman]

Mini-update:
The patch is still not ready, do not expect it this week.

Ok thanks for the info B6, appreciate it. Will there be any other update today though?

[Ataros]

We're not going to have the beta patch tomorrow, i´m sure. But neither a fews screenshots of the current work? nothing this friday again? Words is not enough for me at this time.
I suspect that most of us are still punished by our little patience with the developers...

No BoM screenshots till patch is ready because previous screenshot and video updates created too much negative reaction.

For BoB there is no screenshots because the new engine looks the same.

Luthier explained current status only 7 days ago.

Thus there is no logical reason for an update unless it sounds like the update that I can make every Friday morning:
"We are still working on this, that and that but small issues with that and this prevent us from issuing a patch yet. We do hope that these small issues would not cause any major disaster when pieces of code are assembled and tested together. As the tests are not 100% complete unfortunately we can not give you any ETA ATM because s**t usually happens in the very last moment as anyone working in the industry knows." (http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showpost.php?p=382255&postcount=1026) :grin:

[Allons!]

Mini-update:
The patch is still not ready, do not expect it this week.

OK, RTB then :) THX for the mini update :)

[BlackSix]

Ok thanks for the info B6, appreciate it. Will there be any other update today though?

Yes) IL-2 in the real engine

[albx]

Yes) IL-2 in the real engine

that's good... thank you

[Raggz]

Thanks for the heads up BlackSix :)

[addman]

Yes) IL-2 in the real engine

Cool! Looking forward to it!:grin:

[LcSummers]

Thanks B6 for this "mini" update.

Some screenshoots. Cool:-P

[Kankkis]

Thanks B6

[Ataros]

1st beta patch (which is hopefully coming soon) will contain new engine only, no other fixes. AA is coming but later. 2nd beta or release will contain bug fixes but no ETA for it yet.

[albx]

1st beta patch (which is hopefully coming soon) will contain new engine only, no other fixes. AA is coming but later. 2nd beta or release will contain bug fixes but no ETA for it yet.

we can wait for other fixes for now... hope to see it soon

[Kankkis]

1st beta patch (which is hopefully coming soon) will contain new engine only, no other fixes. AA is coming but later. 2nd beta or release will contain bug fixes but no ETA for it yet.

It strange that they know things like that and don't tell us for it? :confused:
but no AA yet :shock:

But thanks Ataros for the news.

[III/JG53_Don]

I understand totally that the Devs taking things slow and don't want to rush an uncomplete patch out, but I'm asking myself if it is too complicated to release a "normal" patch with several bugfixes now.
Maybe the new version of the sound engine or just the small fixes which can be solved during some minutes (as luthier stated a while ago). Fixing the compass in the Ju-88 etc.

I mean I am completely unknowing in terms of software programming, but I thought one of the benefits of Steam are the easy way to implement a new update into the game.
If these kind of changes to the game ar not nexessarily connected with the new engine this would have been a great way to avoid some bad temper.

[addman]

I understand totally that the Devs taking things slow and don't want to rush an uncomplete patch out, but I'm asking myself if it is too complicated to release a "normal" patch with several bugfixes now.
Maybe the new version of the sound engine or just the small fixes which can be solved during some minutes (as luthier stated a while ago). Fixing the compass in the Ju-88 etc.

I mean I am completely unknowing in terms of software programming, but I thought one of the benefits of Steam are the easy way to implement a new update into the game.
If these kind of changes to the game ar not nexessarily connected with the new engine this would have been a great way to avoid some bad temper.

I guess the performance stuff is too interwoven with all the other components of the game so that if they release small fixes now they might get broken again or other stuff gets broken when the performance patch is released on top of that. I do agree though that there are TONS of smaller and bigger bugs that needs to be squashed and it would be nice if some of them will be fixed like, this year or something. I sure hope that the bug fixing patches won't take even half the time that the performance patches have. BTW, both the Ju-88 compass and the reversed He-111 needs fixing.:)

[Red Dragon-DK]

I have my thumb up for CLOD and 'm sure that almost everything will be fixed in time. But from the customer's point of view it goes too far too slowly. Last patch Oktober the 17 2011. I fully understand that many things have to be rewritten and this creates new problems all the time. It is a natural process when you encode softweare. It is complicated and it sometimes happens unintended event to register. But could the concept of Patch release not happen regularly instead of large amendment cover patch?

I wish they would take a look and see how the team behind Arma2 is doing it. They are really pro and doing a gret job, beeing in contact with customers/ modders ect. And they release a lot of batas that is backward compatible with previous vertioner up to the final patch. Small fixes all time improve it all the time and its amasing how great it work. That way you can choose whether to update to the latest beta or not. I get mine from SixUpdater and the same thing cut be dane, as you mention through Steam or just mauel download.

I hope they will look that way in future. It makes more happy customers, less blah blah blah from communities in genneral and many more hour in flight online with my friends. :-D

Happy progamming

[SlipBall]

I guess the performance stuff is too interwoven with all the other components of the game so that if they release small fixes now they might get broken again or other stuff gets broken when the performance patch is released on top of that. I do agree though that there are TONS of smaller and bigger bugs that needs to be squashed and it would be nice if some of them will be fixed like, this year or something. I sure hope that the bug fixing patches won't take even half the time that the performance patches have. BTW, both the Ju-88 compass and the reversed He-111 needs fixing.:)


The 109 too...I don't know, maybe the German's made the compass with 0 at the east position...it should be either E or 90.

[Volksieg]

It strange that they know things like that and don't tell us for it? :confused:
but no AA yet :shock:

But thanks Ataros for the news.

I noticed you are using a Radeon.... have you checked out the morphological AA in the current drivers? Just checking as I'm currently running it with no performance hit whatsoever with a resolution of 1280x720 (Rig described below...as you can probably guess, I'm waiting on this patch moreso than many others may be. LOL) and it looks like I'm running on 1600x900 (My native Res)! Worth a looksy as, due to that nifty little feature, I'm not even bothered if they ever fix AA. :D

Anyhoo....

Cheers for the little update B6! Hopefully it won't be too much longer but, as has been mentioned before, tis better you guys sort out the particle problems before release. Good stuff. :)