Fresh stuff from sukhoi.ru (Discussion)

[ElAurens]

Also take a close look at your controls set up in the GUI.

Lots of things there that have no relevance to BoB or the Ost Front.

Relax and enjoy the ride.

[III/JG53_Don]

Guess you are right but an official confirmation would calm everyone down...
Anyway I hope for the best and will definitely enjoy the ride to come

[BlackSix]

BlackSix, could you please confirm that improvements to core game (weather etc) in Battle of Moscow will also apply to current game content? Thanks.

No. We have not announced the "Battle of Moscow". I can not say anything about it. No details were not disclosed. Sorry.

Dear BlackSix,

I have few questions:
- will the dynamic stall be implemented in the Flight Model?
- will the maximum altitude of the planes (ceiling) be raised to the historical values of ~10-11000 m ? Today it is 7-8000 m for most planes, and much less for the Fiat G.50
- will the performances of the poor G.50 be upgraded to be closer to the real historical values? The G.50 maximum speed today is ~350 kmh at sea level against 407 kmh found in books and online references. The G.50 ceiling in game is some 5000 m, against 10500 m found in various sources.
- will the UBI intro .wmv video issue be finally corrected? Today it clocks down the ATI cards to 2D-power saving mode, and gives really poor performances to the users that do not delete or rename it. That is most of ATI users I guess.
http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=28054
- will the ghost dots issue be corrected? Today in online servers you see far contacts which disappear when you close in.
- will the GUI be optimized ? Today it's quite clumsy and not practical.
- will the track recording be improved? Today the main issues are: need to exit from flight to start recording, need to manually type a track file name, need to exit again from flight to stop the video, frequent crashes in the procedure, frequent crashes when trying to record an avi from a track.
- will the damage of a radiator by bullets produce a damage to the engine? Today you get the message "radiator leak" but the engine continues to run.

I wrote down the questions in the list of number 2

[Foo'bar]

Take a look at your CloD directory. There you'll find a folder called parts with a sub-folder named CORE and one named BOB. Which means the engine is geared towards modular additions. You can now stop panicking. :-P ;)

Don't agree with that kind of logic, my friend ;)

Il-2 Sturmovik Cliffs Of Dover: BoB -> ok. so far.
Il-2 Sturmovik Cliffs Of Dover: BoM -> ?

"Storm of War" would have been definately the better choice.

[Mysticpuma]

Whatever happened to the rolling stock and locomotives you were working on Foo'bar?

Cheers, MP

[Foo'bar]

They will be implemented when time is left for doing it. At the moment there are more important things to do first.

[Ctrl E]

Hey Black 6.

Appreciate you keeping us aware of what is going on.

Has the patch for Cliffs of Dover been put on hold until after the release of the Battle for Moscow ad-on?

[BlackSix]

Hey Black 6.

Appreciate you keeping us aware of what is going on.

Has the patch for Cliffs of Dover been put on hold until after the release of the Battle for Moscow ad-on?

No, there are other reasons

[41Sqn_Banks]

I have a question: Will the COOP interface be fixed in the upcoming patch?

[Ctrl E]

Thanks for you reply. But just to be clear, are we likely to see the patch for CLoD released before the battle for moscow?

As in, will work on the patch resume sometime soon?

[BPickles]

Thanks for you reply. But just to be clear, are we likely to see the patch for CLoD released before the battle for moscow?

As in, will work on the patch resume sometime soon?

+1 I'd like to know too

[BlackSix]

I have a question: Will the COOP interface be fixed in the upcoming patch?

I can not say more than Ilya said here:
http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=27926

Thanks for you reply. But just to be clear, are we likely to see the patch for CLoD released before the battle for moscow?

As in, will work on the patch resume sometime soon?

We can not leave the game without the support, the patch will be released regardless of the development of the sequel.

As soon as the good news - I'll let you know immediately.

[BPickles]

Thank you for the info about the patch B6.
The future for this sim though is looking gloomy though :(

[Nitrous]

Thx for all your support B6.

Will we get the patch either before christmas or before the end of January?

If its not till the end of January I can bang some overtime in at the weekends.

[Insuber]

Thank you for the info about the patch B6.
The future for this sim though is looking gloomy though :(

Why? We will have a patch, we will have a sequel, so what's wrong?

[FG28_Kodiak]

We can not leave the game (Cliffs of Dover) without support, the patch will be released regardless of the development of the sequel.


So i see no problem, also.

[JG52Krupi]

Sorry to push it but can we expect the patch for Xmas or should we expect the patch next year?

[5./JG27 Lehmann]

Why? We will have a patch, we will have a sequel, so what's wrong?

Well, I think it's lost in translation somewhat, but B6 said "the patch will be released regardless of the development of the sequel." which could be construed to mean that there might not be a sequal at all... (Which means we'll all be flying 109Es and the Spit Ia until we all lose interest or go back to 1946!)

[JG52Krupi]

Well, I think it's lost in translation somewhat, but B6 said "the patch will be released regardless of the development of the sequel." which could be construed to mean that there might not be a sequal at all... (Which means we'll all be flying 109Es and the Spit Ia until we all lose interest or go back to 1946!)

No the sequel has been confirmed stop stirring the pot!!

[kendo65]

No, there are other reasons

Thanks for keeping us informed BlackSix.

Have to say though that I'm more concerned about this unexplained delay (not due to coding issues or finances we have been told) than about some of the other panics that have flared on the forums in the last year.

I understand the incessant pressure from members here for news, but all too often the devs seem to end up shooting themselves in the foot by making some announcement, creating anticipation and excitement and then...squandering that excitement and enthusiasm by not handling whatever delays or difficulties are encountered very well.

The current situation is a good example. The information blackout as to the true situation probably has good reasons behind it, but as public relations it is pretty disastrous.

I realise there is an element of 'damned if they do, damned if they don't' here, but as a fan of this game it is discouraging to see good news and good will too often squandered by poor communication of the (often inevitable) difficulties encountered in developing complex software.

---really wanted to make it clear that the above isn't any kind of criticism of BlackSix and his attempts to keep us informed, for which I'm as grateful as anyone. It's more the decisions higher up the chain that cause the problems

[Insuber]

Well, I think it's lost in translation somewhat, but B6 said "the patch will be released regardless of the development of the sequel." which could be construed to mean that there might not be a sequal at all... (Which means we'll all be flying 109Es and the Spit Ia until we all lose interest or go back to 1946!)

The message is positive, there will be a patch + there will be a sequel, independently from each other. Taking into account the modular nature of this simulator, it's also very logical that they work effectively on both fronts.
Don't worry, be happy!

[BlackSix]

The message is positive, there will be a patch + there will be a sequel, independently from each other. Taking into account the modular nature of this simulator, it's also very logical that they work effectively on both fronts.

Yes, you understood correctly. But I did not say anything about the modular structure. This question is closed before the announcement.

[5./JG27 Lehmann]

No the sequel has been confirmed stop stirring the pot!!

Mate, I'm not stirring the pot. I'm voicing an unbiased interperetation of how SOME USERS might read BlackSix's post. Perhaps "Which means" should have said "Would mean". Jeez.

[BlackSix]

Sorry to push it but can we expect the patch for Xmas or should we expect the patch next year?

There are some chances to make a beta version later this year. I would not wait for the final patch, but this is my personal opinion. This is not official information.

Thanks for keeping us informed BlackSix.

Have to say though that I'm more concerned about this unexplained delay (not due to coding issues or finances we have been told) than about some of the other panics that have flared on the forums in the last year.

I understand the incessant pressure from members here for news, but all too often the devs seem to end up shooting themselves in the foot by making some announcement, creating anticipation and excitement and then...squandering that excitement and enthusiasm by not handling whatever delays or difficulties are encountered very well.

The current situation is a good example. The information blackout as to the true situation probably has good reasons behind it, but as public relations it is pretty disastrous.

I realise there is an element of 'damned if they do, damned if they don't' here, but as a fan of this game it is discouraging to see good news and good will too often squandered by poor communication of the (often inevitable) difficulties encountered in developing complex software.

I feel very great pressure on this issue.
When Ilya has announced a new content patch (18 November) it was impossible to predict subsequent events.
I think now that the best solution would be total silence. Rumors - this is much worse than no information.

[Nitrous]

Ok B6

Understood

No news is good news.

[ACE-OF-ACES]

I think now that the best solution would be total silence. Rumors - this is much worse than no information.
So true.. And this forum, like no other, generates more rumors than Paris Hilton blog! ;)

Keep up the good work BlackSix.. And know that most of us know that you are not responsable for the rumors people generate from reading in and around what you actully said!

[kendo65]

I feel very great pressure on this issue.
When Ilya has announced a new content patch (18 November) it was impossible to predict subsequent events.
I think now that the best solution would be total silence. Rumors - this is much worse than no information.

Understand and agree. Thanks.

[addman]

Yes, you understood correctly. But I did not say anything about the modular structure. This question is closed before the announcement.

Interpretation time! When you say "I did not say anything about the modular structure", does that mean that the sequel may or may NOT be a stand-alone expansion to CloD and maybe even a totally separate game?

[robtek]

Quit laying the foundation of rumours! :D

[addman]

Quit laying the foundation of rumours! :D

Honestly Robtek, I'm just curious.:)

[JG52Uther]

We all are, but it seems we won't find out yet.

[BPickles]

Why? We will have a patch, we will have a sequel, so what's wrong?

Really? Well first you need a patch to fix the game so you have working game to place a sequel into, and if you hadn't noticed they wont talk about an issue that isn't coding or financial etc but its put everything on hold maybe even till next year.
That sounds gloomy to me.
Sorry but i cant help think that especially after the Epilepsy Filter fiasco.

[BlackSix]

Interpretation time! When you say "I did not say anything about the modular structure", does that mean that the sequel may or may NOT be a stand-alone expansion to CloD and maybe even a totally separate game?

This means that I'm not ready to confirm any facts about the sequel.

[addman]

This means that I'm not ready to confirm any facts about the sequel.

Ok thanks for the answer BS.

Hmm...so basically "Battle of Moscow" might be any type of module (expansion, sequel, stand-alone expansion etc.), interesting but also a bit disconcerting.

[Adlerhorst]

Does Black Six mean he is not READY to confirm -- or that he is not ready to CONFIRM. One implies he can confirm but isn't; the other he is but CAN'T. God, now I'm really bummed, out of airspeed, altitude and ideas, as empty as Ms whats-er-name's orifice;).

[Chivas]

Ok thanks for the answer BS.

Hmm...so basically "Battle of Moscow" might be any type of module (expansion, sequel, stand-alone expansion etc.), interesting but also a bit disconcerting.

I agree addman... with all the negative rumours going around I'm not sure why they can't say wether or not the sequel will be standalone, and/or merged installation. This is the problem....people are suggesting that work has stopped on COD and nothing they are doing to the sequel will apply to COD. Which doesn't make any sense whatsoever. I can't see the developers cutting their own throat with that action, but if that were correct the community would have a reason to be really p*ssed.

I can understand BS's hands are tied, but Luthier should clarify the situation, if he can't the development has bigger problems than I had hoped.

[BPickles]

Dude I speculate that it will get confirmed if if its an expansion. If its stand alone, no confirmation.

[Tree_UK]

Well we have it in Black and White that there will be no dynamic weather in CLOD, but it will be in BOM so they cannot be compatible. Cliffs Of dover is binned, it will never be what we were told it would be, its been a beta for the more profitable BOM. We have been cheated.

[Chivas]

Well we have it in Black and White that there will be no dynamic weather in CLOD, but it will be in BOM so they cannot be compatible. Cliffs Of dover is binned, it will never be what we were told it would be, its been a beta for the more profitable BOM. We have been cheated.

None of what you say makes any sense if both games use the same game engine and developer, but Luthier's answers to the last questions were so vague it makes it easy to subscribe to that gloom and doom theory.

[Ctrl E]

I agree. Black 6 saying "I wouldn't wait for the next patch" is pretty grim.

I would take it as read that CloD has been abandoned. As as tree points out, if dynamic weather will not be "back dated" to CloD then it will not be compatible with the Moscow game.

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Cliffs Of dover is binned, it will never be what we fantasized it would be
Fixed that for ya

[theOden]

Fixed that for ya

awkward?

[kendo65]

Now things are starting to get out of hand!

i would appeal to everyone not to jump to conclusions on the basis of absolutely no evidence.

Tree, I interpret Luthier's reply about dynamic weather to mean that it will be introduced in the sequel and not in any of the ongoing COD patches. Nothing in his reply about whether the Moscow game will be compatible with COD or not...but as they've previously said it will be then I'm sure the weather will be usable in COD too.

[KG26_Alpha]

well we have it in black and white that there will be no dynamic weather in clod, but it will be in bom so they cannot be compatible. Cliffs of dover is binned, it will never be what we were told it would be, its been a beta for the more profitable bom. We have been cheated.

lol.............

[Dano]

And people wonder why Luthier doesn't communicate more often...

[Ctrl E]

lol.............

Hang on. Why did tree get banned pointing out the truth?

Seriously. Black 6 has indicated we should not wait for the next patch. It is starting to sound like the development of CloD has been shelved indefinitely.

Censorship of the rightful anger customers feel about this situation will only further anger long time loyal members of the community.

[Insuber]

Too much speculation and too little observation lead to big mistakes.

[kendo65]

...

Seriously. Black 6 has indicated we should not wait for the next patch. It is starting to sound like the development of CloD has been shelved indefinitely.

....

Re-read Luthier's replies to questions 1, 2, 6, 11, 17, 20 here:

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?p=368526#post368526
(http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?p=368526#post368526)

then watch the video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0GW0Vnr9Yc

[III/JG53_Don]

lol @kendo65 you got it absolutely right :)

this discussion right now is just nonsense imho. He've stated very clear, that they are working on the patch and in my reading BlackSix was talking also very clear about a tentativbely release of a Beta Patch for this year.
Not to wait for an official patch just means, that the time between Beta and official patch may be too long to wait for the OFFCIA one to become live (and therefore go with the Beta patch)

At least thats my reading of it

[Trumper]

Unfortunately until B6 CAN say something or Luthier clarifies the situation it will always be clear as mud.
We've waited a year or more now lets wait a couple more weeks when hopefully the information will be forthcoming and then make a decision.
To be honest i feel the the Moscow sequel is dead in the water regarding sales until CloD is up and running ,so they have nothing to gain and everything to lose by not fixing CloD.
Lets wait a wee while longer for more information.

[TheGrunch]

The message is positive, there will be a patch + there will be a sequel, independently from each other. Taking into account the modular nature of this simulator, it's also very logical that they work effectively on both fronts.
Don't worry, be happy!

Yes, you understood correctly. But I did not say anything about the modular structure. This question is closed before the announcement.

Unless the language barrier is muddying thing up something fierce, the easiest interpretation of this alongside "don't wait for final" is "You'll get a patch, if by patch you mean pay for the integrated sequel, LOL", Black Shark 2 style. Or at the very least, "we can't be bothered with proper CloD patches until BoM is out"

I hope that it's just me that gets that impression. I wonder when the guys telling BS what he can and can't say will realise that "need to know" method of marketing hasn't been cool with customers where any product is concerned for decades. Thanks for the info & updates anyway BlackSix.

[BlackSix]

Hang on. Why did tree get banned pointing out the truth?

Seriously. Black 6 has indicated we should not wait for the next patch. It is starting to sound like the development of CloD has been shelved indefinitely.

Censorship of the rightful anger customers feel about this situation will only further anger long time loyal members of the community.

I agree. Black 6 saying "I wouldn't wait for the next patch" is pretty grim.

I would take it as read that CloD has been abandoned. As as tree points out, if dynamic weather will not be "back dated" to CloD then it will not be compatible with the Moscow game.

One more time. I said that maybe this year will be released the beta version of the patch. Maybe. The final version of the patch this year will not appear. We have not stopped working on CloD.

[bw_wolverine]

One more time. I said that maybe this year will be released the beta version of the patch. Maybe. The final version of the patch this year will not appear. We have not stopped working on CloD.

Message received and understood. Patch is on its way, but there's no estimated time of arrival. Work is continuing and will continue into the new year.

Let's all of us calm down and let things fall where they may. No forum post is going to change what happens.

I've more than gotten my money's worth out of the game from playing online ANYway. If I'd gone to the movies for as many hours as I've played Cliffs of Dover I'd be into $100's of dollars in tickets. Hopefully that's the same for the majority. If you're one of the ones who can't play the game due to it not being ready yet, I feel for you. It's not right. But there are bigger fish to fry in life. It's a pretty good life if a $50 game not working right is a serious enough problem that it gets you this worked up.

[JG52Uther]

Thread clean up again.
If you want to argue amongst yourselves go elsewhere.

[Ze-Jamz]

Message received and understood. Patch is on its way, but there's no estimated time of arrival. Work is continuing and will continue into the new year.

Let's all of us calm down and let things fall where they may. No forum post is going to change what happens.

I've more than gotten my money's worth out of the game from playing online ANYway. If I'd gone to the movies for as many hours as I've played Cliffs of Dover I'd be into $100's of dollars in tickets. Hopefully that's the same for the majority. If you're one of the ones who can't play the game due to it not being ready yet, I feel for you. It's not right. But there are bigger fish to fry in life. It's a pretty good life if a $50 game not working right is a serious enough problem that it gets you this worked up.

Lol, you've been reading and hanging around here too long m8

[klem]

One more time. I said that maybe this year will be released the beta version of the patch. Maybe. The final version of the patch this year will not appear. We have not stopped working on CloD.

Good to know the traditional schedule has not changed.

"2 weeks" but perhaps not "be sure" :D

Thanks BlackSix.

[philip.ed]

Thread clean up again.
If you want to argue amongst yourselves go elsewhere.

You know, some of those posts take a fair amount of time to compose...

[mazex]

One more time. I said that maybe this year will be released the beta version of the patch. Maybe. The final version of the patch this year will not appear. We have not stopped working on CloD.

And please take a deep breath BlackSix and don't let all the comments regarding "the sky is falling down" by a few users here get to you...

Here is a favorite that I always think of when the "prophets" go wild...

http://img828.imageshack.us/img828/6116/prophetn.jpg

I remember that half of the Americans did not recognize the guy in the strip a year ago, but I guess that has changed after Spielberg put his teeth into Tintin ;)

[Insuber]

Really, a quote from Sherlock Holmes of Conan Doyle had to be cleaned ? ... censorship is a slippery downward slope ...

[TheGrunch]

And please take a deep breath BlackSix and don't let all the comments regarding "the sky is falling down" by a few users here get to you...
It's not that we think the sky is falling down, it's just that it's raining and we like to have a moan, and the man on the door of the umbrella shop won't tell us when the shop is going to open because he doesn't know, and the last time the shop gave us an umbrella it was pretty good, maybe leaked a bit but did a good enough job that we were happy, but after an hour it collapsed and covered you in water and then you had to open it again every single time, so no matter what you did you got soaking wet eventually, and then the man on the door of the shop started saying stuff about raincoats and how the umbrellas are out of stock until January at least, and they might be out of stock for even longer for some undisclosed reason, and we didn't really want raincoats at all because we already bought an umbrella, and really we just wanted a good umbrella for cryin' out loud. Also I like analogies too much.

[addman]

It's not that we think the sky is falling down, it's just that it's raining and we like to have a moan, and the man on the door of the umbrella shop won't tell us when the shop is going to open because he doesn't know, and the last time the shop gave us an umbrella it was pretty good, maybe leaked a bit but did a good enough job that we were happy, but after an hour it collapsed and covered you in water and then you had to open it again every single time, so no matter what you did you got soaking wet eventually, and then the man on the door of the shop started saying stuff about raincoats and how the umbrellas are out of stock until January at least, and they might be out of stock for even longer for some undisclosed reason, and we didn't really want raincoats at all because we already bought an umbrella, and really we just wanted a good umbrella for cryin' out loud. Also I like analogies too much.

Awesome analogy man! I feel all wet. :)

[mazex]

It's not that we think the sky is falling down, it's just that it's raining and we like to have a moan, and the man on the door of the umbrella shop won't tell us when the shop is going to open because he doesn't know, and the last time the shop gave us an umbrella it was pretty good, maybe leaked a bit but did a good enough job that we were happy, but after an hour it collapsed and covered you in water and then you had to open it again every single time, so no matter what you did you got soaking wet eventually, and then the man on the door of the shop started saying stuff about raincoats and how the umbrellas are out of stock until January at least, and they might be out of stock for even longer for some undisclosed reason, and we didn't really want raincoats at all because we already bought an umbrella, and really we just wanted a good umbrella for cryin' out loud. Also I like analogies too much.

Well, following that analogy it's long due for some people here to move from the UK to a sunnier place if the rain is bothering you? ;) This is more like when people bang the gong because the meteorologists promised sunshine in two weeks but it's still raining. They are the most qualified for the task and try to make their best guess using a lot of experience and complex software. Still people get really pissed cause they tried and failed... :)

[TheGrunch]

Well, that's okay if the weatherman doesn't charge me for the pleasure of his inaccurate forecasting, tell me that he'll fix his method for me, fix bits but break others, go quiet for a few months, then expect me to pay again for his new and improved method after he told me that the last one was really great in the first place, and tell me that he might fix the old method but he doesn't know when. Don't get me wrong, I'm happy to wait because CloD has the potential to be a really good game, I'd just rather know exactly what is going on rather than being told the vaguest shadow of actual events, especially when I'm trying to decide whether or not there's any point in continuing to support the game's development by buying the sequel. It's all very well allowing BS to communicate with us about what is happening in the game's development, but there's not much point if he's not allowed to actually tell us anything about the progress of development and what the nature of the trials the developers are experiencing are. Good communication isn't just telling us the good parts and being evasive about the rest.

[ATAG_Bliss]

You are really pissed off over the amount of money the game costs? I can't count the number of terrible movies I've gone to, spending $25 for the ticket plus some snacks that only lasts the 1.5 hours that the movie runs in the 1st place.

I'm sorry, but all I can do is laugh at the "omg they screwed me" comments. Some people must live in a bubble in society.

[trashcanman]

You are really pissed off over the amount of money the game costs? I can't count the number of terrible movies I've gone to, spending $25 for the ticket plus some snacks that only lasts the 1.5 hours that the movie runs in the 1st place.

I'm sorry, but all I can do is laugh at the "omg they screwed me" comments. Some people must live in a bubble in society.

I suspect the frustration is not about the money spent.
The investment of time (a precious commodity to those with jobs, families, social obligations etc etc ... ) in order to set up and learn the game and a passion for the genre are the things that create these feelings.

Just my opinion :)

[swiss]

...Michael Bay...They keep putting out crap...


Ey!:mad:

[Tvrdi]

I suspect the frustration is not about the money spent.

Personally I dont care about money spent (OK I must care a bit since Im living in a xxxxxxxxxx where the mans work worth nothing). Its...I was expecting an improvement (comparing to original iL2). Currently I cant even play this sim (online) without performance issues and I dont have an ancient PC. Even if they succeed in optimisaiton task we would probably still need to "deal" with ghost trees, too vivid colors on landscape, small maps, lack of content and features, lack of proper communications (currently wer deadling with investigations on sukhoi.ru and babelfish translators).....I hope for the best...

[merlin1]

Personally I dont care about money spent (OK I must care a bit since Im living in a xxxxxxxxxx where the mans work worth nothing). Its...I was expecting an improvement (comparing to original iL2). Currently I cant even play this sim (online) without performance issues and I dont have an ancient PC. Even if they succeed in optimisaiton task we would probably still need to "deal" with ghost trees, too vivid colors on landscape, small maps, lack of content and features, lack of proper communications (currently wer deadling with investigations on sukhoi.ru and babelfish translators).....I hope for the best...



Tvrdi I agree with you.

rgr.

[Aer9o]

Personally I dont care about money spent (OK I must care a bit since Im living in a xxxxxxxxxx where the mans work worth nothing). Its...I was expecting an improvement (comparing to original iL2). Currently I cant even play this sim (online) without performance issues and I dont have an ancient PC. Even if they succeed in optimisaiton task we would probably still need to "deal" with ghost trees, too vivid colors on landscape, small maps, lack of content and features, lack of proper communications (currently wer deadling with investigations on sukhoi.ru and babelfish translators).....I hope for the best...

Nice one! ...+1

[addman]

Personally I dont care about money spent (OK I must care a bit since Im living in a xxxxxxxxxx where the mans work worth nothing). Its...I was expecting an improvement (comparing to original iL2). Currently I cant even play this sim (online) without performance issues and I dont have an ancient PC. Even if they succeed in optimisaiton task we would probably still need to "deal" with ghost trees, too vivid colors on landscape, small maps, lack of content and features, lack of proper communications (currently wer deadling with investigations on sukhoi.ru and babelfish translators).....I hope for the best...

Mm...kinda agree. I have hope but when you see the mammoth task that MG have to even make CloD a release worthy game then one might feel a little gloomy. Hoping for the best though, alway will.

[Force10]

You are really pissed off over the amount of money the game costs? I can't count the number of terrible movies I've gone to, spending $25 for the ticket plus some snacks that only lasts the 1.5 hours that the movie runs in the 1st place.

I'm sorry, but all I can do is laugh at the "omg they screwed me" comments. Some people must live in a bubble in society.


But if the projector broke 2/3 through the movie, you would ask for your money back wouldn't you? Well, maybe you wouldn't, because it's obvious that people who compare flight simulations to movies just don't have a clue. That's what we got here, 2/3 of a sim. If that. I haven't even gotten an hour of enjoyment out of this sim yet for my $50 because it's just plain broken. Now instead of patching the remaining 1/3 that will make this playable, they want more money to deliver what was expected and/or promised. Ummmm....No.

[ElAurens]

they want more money to deliver what was expected and/or promised. Ummmm....No.

They do?

Odd, I didn't read that anywhere.

The "big patch" or whatever you want to call it will arrive well before any expansions to the current sim come on stream.

Now if it's dynamic weather you are on about then yeah, that is much further out and will be after the release of BfM.

Things change in life, even more so in video game development, and especially in projects with the scope that this series has.

I don't see why this is so hard to understand.

But if you must toss your toys out of the pram, go right ahead.

[Ze-Jamz]

lol..

Again....

Were never see eye to eye so the whole 'throw yer dummy out' and 'this is a waste of money' rubbish will just go back n fourth

the 2 sides will NEVER EVER agree with one another yet will still fill this forum with garbage

Why if someone says that they have wasted money the fanbois cant just agree that that is their judgement and their opinion

The title is going to be fixed or will certainly get better in time for all those who think they have 'wasted' their money..

QUOTE:Things change in life, even more so in video game development, and especially in projects with the scope that this series has.

I don't see why this is so hard to understand UNQUOTE

and i dont see why its so hard to understand and just agree the game 'wassssss' broken..

let people have there views without jumping on them

and yes

£50 is a lot to some people..if they are pi$$ed let them be, let them vent..your happy with the release so no need to comment

this place is like a stuck record

[Force10]

They do?

Odd, I didn't read that anywhere.

The "big patch" or whatever you want to call it will arrive well before any expansions to the current sim come on stream.

Now if it's dynamic weather you are on about then yeah, that is much further out and will be after the release of BfM.

Things change in life, even more so in video game development, and especially in projects with the scope that this series has.

I don't see why this is so hard to understand.

But if you must toss your toys out of the pram, go right ahead.

It's just funny how people overlook the obvious. I popped online real quick last night to see how many folks were playing online. You probably know the answer, about 12. For a game that supposedly supports 128 I have never seen more than a dozen people or so playing online, thats in the whole world. Doesn't that tell you something? This speaks volumes that the community has spoken and this is not the sim of the future yet. With a zero immersion single player experience(no ranks,medals, etc.) and only the CLOD faithful flying online, a sequel at this point will fail. They need to add the features they are planning for the sequel to CLOD first, then treat the sequel as an expansion with new planes,theater, etc.

[ATAG_Bliss]

But if the projector broke 2/3 through the movie, you would ask for your money back wouldn't you? Well, maybe you wouldn't, because it's obvious that people who compare flight simulations to movies just don't have a clue. That's what we got here, 2/3 of a sim. If that. I haven't even gotten an hour of enjoyment out of this sim yet for my $50 because it's just plain broken. Now instead of patching the remaining 1/3 that will make this playable, they want more money to deliver what was expected and/or promised. Ummmm....No.

Umm, I'd suggest taking a reading and comprehension class. I'd say it's you that doesn't have a clue. The analogy I was making, which should be clearly obvious to an individual that can read the English language, is that we've all wasted money on things that "promised to deliver", and some of those promises only last a little over an hour of supposed enjoyment. And a movie with snacks that only lasts roughly 1.5 hours can cost you 1/2 of the price of a sim that will continue to be updated, improved, and fixed. (Hopefully this will spell out my original post)

But instead of throwing a teenage tantrum because the money I spent on a sim, one that will be fixed, one that is going down the same road of the old IL2, isn't working at 100% yet, is laughable. You're entitled to your own opinions, of course.

Then you speak of online. There's usually more people online in IL2COD than any other online flight sim out there besides the old IL2 that has a 10 year old built up community behind it. So with your thinking all these other sims like ROF and DCS/A10 complete crap as well? I'd say with IL2COD coming in 2nd most of the time, only compared to the original IL2, I'd say there's many people out there like me, who are having a very good time with this sim, even in it's buggy state.

[Chivas]

lol..

Again....

Were never see eye to eye so the whole 'throw yer dummy out' and 'this is a waste of money' rubbish will just go back n fourth

the 2 sides will NEVER EVER agree with one another yet will still fill this forum with garbage

Why if someone says that they have wasted money the fanbois cant just agree that that is their judgement and their opinion

The title is going to be fixed or will certainly get better in time for all those who think they have 'wasted' their money..

QUOTE:Things change in life, even more so in video game development, and especially in projects with the scope that this series has.


I don't see why this is so hard to understand UNQUOTE

and i dont see why its so hard to understand and just agree the game 'wassssss' broken..

let people have there views without jumping on them

and yes

£50 is a lot to some people..if they are pi$$ed let them be, let them vent..your happy with the release so no need to comment

this place is like a stuck record



I'm not sure why the "waste of money, and will never amount to anything" crowd are still here.

[Allons!]

I'm not sure why the "waste of money, and will never amount to anything" crowd are still here.

I´m not sure why this thread still has the title fresh from russia when it contains welked stuff from all over europe (incl. the opener imhho) :)

[ACE-OF-ACES]

They do?

Odd, I didn't read that anywhere.

The "big patch" or whatever you want to call it will arrive well before any expansions to the current sim come on stream.

Now if it's dynamic weather you are on about then yeah, that is much further out and will be after the release of BfM.

Things change in life, even more so in video game development, and especially in projects with the scope that this series has.

I don't see why this is so hard to understand.

But if you must toss your toys out of the pram, go right ahead.
+1

[Insuber]

I´m not sure why this thread still has the title fresh from russia when it contains welked stuff from all over europe (incl. the opener imhho) :)

Clarify, plz :-D

[David198502]

lol..

Again....

Were never see eye to eye so the whole 'throw yer dummy out' and 'this is a waste of money' rubbish will just go back n fourth

the 2 sides will NEVER EVER agree with one another yet will still fill this forum with garbage

Why if someone says that they have wasted money the fanbois cant just agree that that is their judgement and their opinion

The title is going to be fixed or will certainly get better in time for all those who think they have 'wasted' their money..

QUOTE:Things change in life, even more so in video game development, and especially in projects with the scope that this series has.

I don't see why this is so hard to understand UNQUOTE

and i dont see why its so hard to understand and just agree the game 'wassssss' broken..

let people have there views without jumping on them

and yes

£50 is a lot to some people..if they are pi$$ed let them be, let them vent..your happy with the release so no need to comment

this place is like a stuck record

+1
very good post!

[BlackSix]

We need to fully resume work on all tasks at the beginning of next week. Time of appearance of a patch or a beta version of the patch is not yet available.

[JG52Krupi]

We need to fully resume work on all tasks at the beginning of next week. Time of appearance of a patch or a beta version of the patch is not yet available.

Thanks B6, much appreciated.

[41Sqn_Banks]

Thanks for the good news B6 :)

[PilotError]

We need to fully resume work on all tasks at the beginning of next week. Time of appearance of a patch or a beta version of the patch is not yet available.


Thanks for the info B6.
Does this mean that the "problem" you encountered that was holding everything up has been resolved ?

If so that is good news indeed.:grin:

[Insuber]

We need to fully resume work on all tasks at the beginning of next week. Time of appearance of a patch or a beta version of the patch is not yet available.

Thanks B6! I'm pretty sure now of the nature of the "issue" which stopped the work:

Your Human Resources Dept. saw the crazy amount of paid holidays not yet used by the CloD team, and obliged them to consume them all before the end of the year, to avoid paying a fortune ... :-)

[JG52Krupi]

Thanks B6! I'm pretty sure now of the nature of the "issue" which stopped the work:

Your Human Resources Dept. saw the crazy amount of paid holidays not yet used by the CloD team, and obliged them to consume them all before the end of the year, to avoid paying a fortune ... :-)

:D lol nice one dude

[csThor]

Hehe ... that sounds like the company I'm working for. Despite the usual end-of-the-year-madness we all have to use up our vacation days before December 31 ... :-P

BlackSix ... Last week you were talking about a "Mission Designer Manual" concentrating on the historical facts. Have you any news about that, yet?

[KG26_Alpha]

BlackSix ... Last week you were talking about a "Mission Designer Manual" concentrating on the historical facts. Have you any news about that, yet?

Hi Thor

I will PM you about this, I'm in discussion with B6 as it needs 3-4 way dialogue with a good interpreter, I did ask one other Russian member here who flatly refused due to the massive amount of translation needed.
In particular the eccentricities that can get lost in translation when dealing with non specific English/German characters or words, somethings just don't translate at all.

Its not just collating the information its getting it correctly translated and understood.

;)

[JG52Uther]

The RoF developers have a system whereby they post stuff they want translated on their forum, and native speakers of the forum translate sections into the particular language required (German, Spanish, English, French etc) Could such a system work here?

[wildone_106]

I hope they are working hard on making the game FUN to play, because I am still not compelled to even open it..there's nothing to do.

[jimbop]

I hope they are working hard on making the game FUN to play, because I am still not compelled to even open it..there's nothing to do.

Get online on the ATAG server - plenty to do...

[ElAurens]

Get online on the ATAG server - plenty to do...


+1

[Insuber]

I hope they are working hard on making the game FUN to play, because I am still not compelled to even open it..there's nothing to do.

There are quick offline missione for instant dogfight or bomber shoot out, or user created missions, sometimes re-enactment of historical feats. You have the Desastersoft career (paid content), again offline. Then there is the online fun, possibly with Teamspeak together. Today there will be the Bomber Night on ATAG, actually a series of mega missions Il2-style. Plenty to do for a serious combats flight simmer.

[FFCW_Urizen]

Multiplayer is definitely fun, singleplayer not so, thanks to the AI.

[Flanker35M]

S!

While single player lacks a LOT, online is not that much better before mission and map makers get the SDK so we could get a lot more missions etc. ATAG is one of the best server around, lots of fun if people would do something else than just vulch planes at fields. I sure understand why the blues want to vulch the Sissyfire II's but in general it is just pathetic in my books. Sure it would easy to establish a CAP over a field and just pop anyone foolish enough to spawn, then head home and boast with the "kills". Not my thing..I rather have the dance up in the sky, much better than just shooting fish in a barrel :)

[ElAurens]

I always have to laugh when someone calls the Spit II a "sissy" plane. Especially E4 jocks who have the best plane, with best guns, and the most ammo in the sim.

It they were "real men" and not "sissys" they would be in E1s, then we would see who the real pilots are, and not just the best artillery men.

:rolleyes:

[addman]

Well, in my opinion, anyone who isn't flying the G.50 is by definition a sissy.

[ElAurens]

That's a fair cop.

:grin:

[jg27_mc]

I always have to laugh when someone calls the Spit II a "sissy" plane. Especially E4 jocks who have the best plane, with best guns, and the most ammo in the sim.

It they were "real men" and not "sissys" they would be in E1s, then we would see who the real pilots are, and not just the best artillery men.

:rolleyes:

In real life not in the sim I must add... :rolleyes:

Glad I am not a sissy my main ride, when I am not bombing, is the E1. :-P

[ElAurens]

Heh.

I don't fly Blue that often, but when I do it's usually in the G.50 or the E1.
The EI has a ton of ammo. Wow.

Now if the Cr.42 was made flyable, it would be nothing but (vintage Classico Reserva) Chianti, pasta primavera, and open cockpits for this flying Pig.

In all seriousness, all the planes have advantages and dis-advantages in varying proportion. Even the two "uber planes" of the set, the E4 and Spit IIa are really far from "uber" and both die with regularity.

The tactics used to employ them are far more important.

[Flanker35M]

S!

I call it Sissyfire, done so for ages. And if you lose to a Bf109E-4, if engaging from same alt and E, in the game at it's CURRENT state then should fly something else. Sissyfire II outperforms Bf109E-4 easily and if you are even an average shooter you get a lot of critical hits on a Bf109E with those 8 x .303cal at convergence.

I fly mostly 110 these days and in that crate can not outfly nor outperform anyone except maybe bombers. Still manage to get a fair share of targets down and even return home in one piece. It calls for planning and SA when going for the attack :)

On ATAG it is fun and the Bomber Night even more so. Can't wait to get the GFX update and at some point the physics/FM/DM updates to CoD. Then we have a true gem :)

[FG28_Kodiak]

Cliffs of Dover = Planeset Discussion Reloaded :rolleyes:

[addman]

Heh.

I don't fly Blue that often, but when I do it's usually in the G.50 or the E1.
The EI has a ton of ammo. Wow.

Now if the Cr.42 was made flyable, it would be nothing but (vintage Classico Reserva) Chianti, pasta primavera, and open cockpits for this flying Pig.

In all seriousness, all the planes have advantages and dis-advantages in varying proportion. Even the two "uber planes" of the set, the E4 and Spit IIa are really far from "uber" and both die with regularity.

The tactics used to employ them are far more important.

Yes, the E1 is my favorite 109, insane ammo amount and pretty effective with adjusted convergence. Can't stand the slow rate of fire on the other 109's.

[CWMV]

Wait...people actually think the E-4 is uber?
Lol!
Depending on the source its from 30-50kph too slow!
Uber my hind end. It's sad that the FM' s are in their current state. Half the reason I spend more time in Spits v 109's now.

[furbs]

equal energy states the spit 2 is far and away a much better plane.
So far ahead its not even worth talking about, if you cant see that you are either a idiot or a arse.

[ElAurens]

A. There are almost no Spit IIs to fly.

B. I've put up with you lying/propagandist Luftwhiners for ten freaking years.
We all know your game, no sense trying to even hide your intent.

C. In the current iteration there is no RAF aircraft that can compete with the E4, any advantage the Spitfire should have is simply not there, except for the IIa, which of course is limited to FOUR aircraft on ONE server.

D. Now you guys are gaming the game and using the autopilot on the Bf 110 to achieve speeds without overheat that are totally unrealistic.


Go cry me a river.

[335th_GRAthos]

D. Now you guys are gaming the game and using the autopilot on the Bf 110 to achieve speeds without overheat that are totally unrealistic.


He, he, he, sorry ElAurens, please do not fall into the trap and take the stupidity xxxxx wrote for real (I had an excellent discussion with him in the other forum).

This ME110 autopilot achievement is complete rubbish that somebody with absolutely no knowledge of Blue planes (xxxxx's own words) wrote.
I know, because I was the pilot flying the ME110 on course-autopilot. Point.

So let us be careful and avoid building towers in the sand when there is no factual information behind...

I regret I was not fast enough stopping the culprit in his tracks thus you became victim of his missinformation.

~S~

[Insuber]

No really, gimme a break, we don't need a blue vs. red querelle now! Everyone is complaining, so it's not so unbalanced.

[CWMV]

A. There are almost no Spit IIs to fly.

B. I've put up with you lying/propagandist Luftwhiners for ten freaking years.
We all know your game, no sense trying to even hide your intent.

C. In the current iteration there is no RAF aircraft that can compete with the E4, any advantage the Spitfire should have is simply not there, except for the IIa, which of course is limited to FOUR aircraft on ONE server.

D. Now you guys are gaming the game and using the autopilot on the Bf 110 to achieve speeds without overheat that are totally unrealistic.


Go cry me a river.


I know, arent we terrible for wanting a sim that resembels reality?!

Come on dude, read a freakin technical release/study from Messerschmitt/RLM regarding 109 performance.
Besides in game the E-4 and E-3 perform pretty much the same. No real winner between those two.

[Flanker35M]

S!

El Aurens, to answer your claims in a friendly manner..


A. 5 of them at start of mission. Giving more of them, say 10-20 would totally ruin the server. Like flying a stock Bf109G-6 against Sissy IX 25lbs on 1946 :rolleyes:

B. Pot blaming the kettle I say on this. I dare to say there are very few players that can look at things without emotional attachment to their favorite plane and it's performance related to the opponent.

C. Sissy II is more than capable of trashing Bf109E-3/4. Sissy I/Ia are a bit strange as I regard the Rotol Hurricane far more deadly. Clearly a FM check is needed on ALL planes.

D. Autopilot giving me more speed? Grathos pointed out this is false information. And again, can not outfly Hurricanes or Sissies in my Bf110C-4/7. Has no magic button or boost.

This neverending blue vs red is boring to be honest. If someone would make a sim with parameters as close to RL as possible even then someone would complain if losing to a so called "inferior plane". People should forget the books and all that when flying a GAME without ANY penalties except maybe a hurt ePeen or ego.

[CaptainDoggles]

Hahaha, I've never quite understood why people are afraid of the E-4. It's the same flight model as the E-3 except with automatic pitch. It actually doesn't climb as well due to the automatic prop.

Allied pilots think they need the Spit 2a which completely outperforms the 109 in every aspect just to be on a "level playing field"?

I hate this community sometimes.

[klem]

Hahaha, I've never quite understood why people are afraid of the E-4. It's the same flight model as the E-3 except with automatic pitch. It actually doesn't climb as well due to the automatic prop.

Allied pilots think they need the Spit 2a which completely outperforms the 109 in every aspect just to be on a "level playing field"?

I hate this community sometimes.

Well its going to be a mess until they get the FMs closer to where they should be. Meantime, having Spit Is underperforming more than the 109s underperform leaves the RAF with nothing that approaches a sensible situation and they always have one arm tied behind their back. The Rotol Hurri doesn't quite make up for it due to its poorer handling. Having a handful of Spit IIa thrown in (just try to get your hands on one!) goes some way to making us feel a little better, it's just unfortunate for the 109s that run into them, like its unfortunate for the Spit Is that run into the E3/E4.

Roll on the FM patch - whenever that will be.

[David198502]

"...there is no RAF aircraft that can compete with the E4..."
are you serious?you are joking right?
we all know that all the planes in clod are not modeled correctly.there is plenty of stuff to do for devs regarding the FMs.
all planes are underperforming except the spit IIa.so if there is a uber plane, than its obviously the spitIIa.
besides the E4 is nothing better than the E1 or E3 except the Minengeschoss.it has the same performance as the other variants.the only difference is the auto-prop pitch....which in my view is not an advantage but actually a disadvantage as i can handle it manually better than the auto pitch is capable of.

while i consider myself a pretty good online-player, i would never call myself ace-of-aces, but im still pretty successfull.but you know why?its because people who are complaining that the bfs are uber planes, are constantly flying at altitudes below 3k.
so on atag server, i have shot several spit IIas, and not one managed to shoot me yet.but only because they are digging the weeds.
i had some really intensive fights at 5k with good pilots in hurris.and they are really dangerous if they know what to do.so if one would sit in a spitIIa,handle the aircraft correctly and use altitude, than even the most experienced bf pilots wouldnt have a realistical chance to win the fight(1vs1).

"Roll on the FM patch-whenever that will be"
hell yeah,the sooner the better and please as realistic as possible.

[ElAurens]

Well its going to be a mess until they get the FMs closer to where they should be. Meantime, having Spit Is underperforming more than the 109s underperform leaves the RAF with nothing that approaches a sensible situation and they always have one arm tied behind their back. The Rotol Hurri doesn't quite make up for it due to its poorer handling. Having a handful of Spit IIa thrown in (just try to get your hands on one!) goes some way to making us feel a little better, it's just unfortunate for the 109s that run into them, like its unfortunate for the Spit Is that run into the E3/E4.

Roll on the FM patch - whenever that will be.


Thank you Klem, you said it far better than I did.

Guys, I don't want to start anything, really I don't. However, until the FMs are better sorted, trying to make any type of historical mission is rather pointless, don't you think?

I'm just a very frustrated RAF pilot at this point. From my seat, there is no Mk. I RAF aircraft that is remotely competitive with any of the E series birds, with the exception of the Rotol Hurricane at very low levels.

Those of you who fly E models all the time should take ATAG_Bliss's suggestion to fly a Mk. I RAF aircraft for a month. Then you would see where we are at.

I'm going to be taking a break from the forums for a while as it is pointless to discuss anything till the FMs and overall game performance are better sorted.

Have a Merry Christmas all, see you in the New Year.

[addman]

This discussion is so funny, it's like everybody's talking to themselves and nobody's listening to each other, great show! keep it up!

[jg27_mc]

Well its going to be a mess until they get the FMs closer to where they should be. Meantime, having Spit Is underperforming more than the 109s underperform leaves the RAF with nothing that approaches a sensible situation and they always have one arm tied behind their back. The Rotol Hurri doesn't quite make up for it due to its poorer handling. Having a handful of Spit IIa thrown in (just try to get your hands on one!) goes some way to making us feel a little better, it's just unfortunate for the 109s that run into them, like its unfortunate for the Spit Is that run into the E3/E4.

Roll on the FM patch - whenever that will be.

I can buy that... It seems reasonable enough. Never understood why the hell red people are complaining against E4's... The most porked fighter in the sim is the Spit Ia.

[TheGrunch]

You are really pissed off over the amount of money the game costs? I can't count the number of terrible movies I've gone to, spending $25 for the ticket plus some snacks that only lasts the 1.5 hours that the movie runs in the 1st place.

I'm sorry, but all I can do is laugh at the "omg they screwed me" comments. Some people must live in a bubble in society.
Total necro-post but: Not at all, we're pissed off with the inconsistent nature of the communication made to us so far. Hopefully now that BlackSix is here the situation can be rectified in some way, but I doubt that it will be if he is not allowed to discuss 90% of what's going on like it seems so far. I don't mind wasting £whateveritwas on a buggy sim, but I'd rather not be told it would be fixed and waste loads of time waiting for patches or buying hardware to try and improve the performance of the sim if they never bother to get round to any of the other glaring issues in the next few months. I mean, surely the memory leak was at least worth a hotfix since we've been waiting since mid-October.

Nice to see that the thread has now otherwise degenerated into the standard red vs. blue flamefest. :-P

[IamNotDavid]

but I'd rather not be told it would be fixed and waste loads of time waiting for patches

Here's an idea for you. Find something else to do and stop wasting your time. Play some IL2/46. Play some RoF. Go outside.

[TheGrunch]

OF COURSE! I never do any the things you suggest in all the rest of the time that these few two minute posts every two weeks are not taking up! My huuuuge post count over the last few months SURELY indicates that I am a complete basement dweller. Thank you so much for enlightening me! :rolleyes:


How about you allow me to have an opinion about the communication this developer has with its customers without being told that I'm a sad bastard with no life for said opinion being negative?

[IamNotDavid]

OF COURSE! I never do any the things you suggest in all the rest of the time that these few two minute posts every two weeks are not taking up! My huuuuge post count over the last few months SURELY indicates that I am a complete basement dweller. Thank you so much for enlightening me! :rolleyes:


How about you allow me to have an opinion about the communication this developer has with its customers without being told that I'm a sad bastard with no life for said opinion being negative?

I'm just trying to help. If you find something else to do you won't be so upset about a GAME. I'm playing lots of RoF while I wait, and I'm not upset about CoD at all. Give it a try.

[JG52Uther]

So what new information do you guys have from sukhoi.ru?
Thats what this thread is for.

[Insuber]

Just lurched in the Sukhoi forum. The community there is complaining big time against Ilya for the lack of information and the absurd secrecy about the "unknown issue" blocking all activities. Someone speaks about a travel of Ilya to the US as linked to the blocking issue. Time to send them some of our forum policemen ... :).

Other complains in the sukhoi forum:

no news about "contact visibility" issue
no news about "far clouds"
no news about "fps increase"
no news about "surprise feature that no other sim has"
no news about the Launcher.exe crash
no news about the beta test of the new gfx engine

And so on. The poor B6 can only answer "Sorry I'm waiting information from Ilya", or "I'm not authorized to answer this question".

Nerves are tensing over there.

Cheers!

[Flanker35M]

S!

Well the launcher.exe issue was related to an old piece of code in the GFX engine as we could read from Luthier some time ago. I do not envy B6 at all. Just have to remain patient and wait for the word.

[335th_GRAthos]

Just lurched in the Sukhoi forum. The community there is complaining big time against Ilya for the lack of information and the absurd secrecy about the "unknown issue" blocking all activities. Someone speaks about a travel of Ilya to the US as linked to the blocking issue.

How relieving to hear that we (westerners) are not the only bad boys complaining and losing their temper sometimes... :D

Poor Ilya, I do not envy him. Neither of course Black6...

~S~

[Vengeanze]

Time for send them some of our forum policemen ... :).


We should send AoA over there to straight em up!! :lol:

[furbs]

He would bore them to death. :)

[addman]

He would bore them to death. :)

Wrong, he would multi-quote them to death.

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Let it go.. before you three pop something you need! :o

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Someone speaks about a travel of Ilya to the US as linked to the blocking issue.
Really.. I guess that could be good or bad? Keeping fingers crossed!

[Insuber]

Really.. I guess that could be good or bad? Keeping fingers crossed!

B6 has denied any relationship between the travel and the stop. He keeps saying that's an internal problem, which will never be unveiled by the way.

[addman]

Ilya lived and worked in the States for many years, he's probably there to visit family and/or friends or something.

[IvanK]

Ilya travels between the states and Moscow regularly. This is all normal.

[luthier]

Just lurched in the Sukhoi forum. The community there is complaining big time against Ilya for the lack of information and the absurd secrecy about the "unknown issue" blocking all activities. Someone speaks about a travel of Ilya to the US as linked to the blocking issue. Time to send them some of our forum policemen ... :).

Other complains in the sukhoi forum:

no news about "contact visibility" issue
no news about "far clouds"
no news about "fps increase"
no news about "surprise feature that no other sim has"
no news about the Launcher.exe crash
no news about the beta test of the new gfx engine

And so on. The poor B6 can only answer "Sorry I'm waiting information from Ilya", or "I'm not authorized to answer this question".

Nerves are tensing over there.

Cheers!

That's called fresh news? That's as stale and putrid as most of the other "unofficial news" that creeps up on sukhoi all the time.

Don't you guys know by now that that forum is plagued by trolls and bitter grouches even more so than this one? If you can believe that.

If on this forum the glass is "only" always half empty, on sukhoi.ru the glass is fully empty, and that it's so empty it's about to collapse in on itself, and they've heard from somebody in the team that it's not even glass but petrified feces and it's all a huge conspiracy.

[F19_Klunk]

LOL... that was actually funny! :D
had a great Sunday evening - SvAF had it's now annual squadron competition.... 3 hours of nerve wrecking js/rudder twitching
Guys.. Il2: 1946 is still a hoot and can definately keep us occupied until we have a breakthrough with Clod...... join in

[fruitbat]

That's called fresh news? That's as stale and putrid as most of the other "unofficial news" that creeps up on sukhoi all the time.

Don't you guys know by now that that forum is plagued by trolls and bitter grouches even more so than this one? If you can believe that.

If on this forum the glass is "only" always half empty, on sukhoi.ru the glass is fully empty, and that it's so empty it's about to collapse in on itself, and they've heard from somebody in the team that it's not even glass but petrified feces and it's all a huge conspiracy.

lol:)

[KG26_Alpha]

That's called fresh news? That's as stale and putrid as most of the other "unofficial news" that creeps up on sukhoi all the time.

Don't you guys know by now that that forum is plagued by trolls and bitter grouches even more so than this one? If you can believe that.

If on this forum the glass is "only" always half empty, on sukhoi.ru the glass is fully empty, and that it's so empty it's about to collapse in on itself, and they've heard from somebody in the team that it's not even glass but petrified feces and it's all a huge conspiracy.

Lets hope your glass is full this holiday :)

Merry Christmas

[jimbop]

Howdy luthier - did you jump online for the ATAG bomber's weekend? Good fun and good to see a few people on the server.

[Ctrl E]

Hi luthier. Can you tell us what is going on then to kill off the silly rumours?

[Vengeanze]

That's called fresh news? That's as stale and putrid as most of the other "unofficial news" that creeps up on sukhoi all the time.

Don't you guys know by now that that forum is plagued by trolls and bitter grouches even more so than this one? If you can believe that.

If on this forum the glass is "only" always half empty, on sukhoi.ru the glass is fully empty, and that it's so empty it's about to collapse in on itself, and they've heard from somebody in the team that it's not even glass but petrified feces and it's all a huge conspiracy.

Did he just say that he likes it in here and thinks we're a nice bunch...relatively!? :-D
A merry christmas to you!

[335th_GRAthos]

Don't you guys know by now that that forum is plagued by trolls and bitter grouches even more so than this one? If you can believe that.

If on this forum the glass is "only" always half empty, on sukhoi.ru the glass is fully empty, and that it's so empty it's about to collapse in on itself, and they've heard from somebody in the team that it's not even glass but petrified feces and it's all a huge conspiracy.


R.O.F.L.!

That was some really good laugh, after the Ubi-zoo experience, reading this, it makes me regret I do not speak Russian!!!!!!

Thanks for the laugh Luthier, I may quote you one day!

Merry Christmas!


~S~

PS. Vengeanze, nice post. You are right, I think he loves us! :D

[albx]

That's called fresh news? That's as stale and putrid as most of the other "unofficial news" that creeps up on sukhoi all the time.

Don't you guys know by now that that forum is plagued by trolls and bitter grouches even more so than this one? If you can believe that.

If on this forum the glass is "only" always half empty, on sukhoi.ru the glass is fully empty, and that it's so empty it's about to collapse in on itself, and they've heard from somebody in the team that it's not even glass but petrified feces and it's all a huge conspiracy.

thank you luthier, so we are not so bad at all? :grin: wish you a merry christmas and good work.

p.s.
to who said this is the worst forum and we are the worst users..

http://cdn.blogosfere.it/calciomalato/images/pernacchia.jpg

[Skoshi Tiger]

Tears of laughter are rolling down my cheeks at this very moment! or it could be because of the cement dust from the retaining wall I'm building!

Either way LOL!

A Very Merry Christmas to the the development team and everyone else on the forum!

[JG52Krupi]

Lmao,

Merry Xmas MG hope everything goes smoother for you next year ;)

[Tvrdi]

That's called fresh news? That's as stale and putrid as most of the other "unofficial news" that creeps up on sukhoi all the time.

Don't you guys know by now that that forum is plagued by trolls and bitter grouches even more so than this one? If you can believe that.

If on this forum the glass is "only" always half empty, on sukhoi.ru the glass is fully empty, and that it's so empty it's about to collapse in on itself, and they've heard from somebody in the team that it's not even glass but petrified feces and it's all a huge conspiracy.

Just fix the game...and spent your precious free time for posting infos rather than THIS (in the quote)...... ppl are disappointed with reason...I spent 50 dollars for this game just to receive an alpha state game which (still, to this day) is not working properly (performance wise) on my modern rig. As a beta tester of various games (and sims) I did everything to optimise my system for CLOD. So when we will se improvements in optimisation of the game engine? Will we still have a slowdowns when effects are near (dust, explosions etc.) or this is on the fix list? Like I said earlier, I hope for the best, its in my interest that you succeed in this task...btw, why dont you ask for open beta team....here?? Let us help...

[JG52Krupi]

Come on Tvrdi, the game will be fixed and then you can vulch in CoD just like you do in RoF :P

[Tvrdi]

Come on Tvrdi, the game will be fixed and then you can vulch in CoD just like you do in RoF :P

Hah...we have big maps and good missions (with heavy bombers and two seaters) in ROF MP (syndicate server) so the "vulching" is allowed....and its historical as you know hehe. BTW, from now on, Im only on Syndicate since they have fuel loadouts locked, no kill messages (the biggest step towards realism and immersion) and good missions on big maps.
Knowing you it was probabaly just a tease, but its interesting you see me as vulcher, out of all ppl there...its a bit comical as Im one of the few guys who would let you land if your badly damaged or with dead engine...in fact its what we at IRFC do every night. When we can. But let me tell you...If im in a dogfight with 3 or more albatroses....I wont have any mercy if I see one damaged fleeing the fight.

On topic. Krupi, we dont know if 1C will fix anything. No promise can be given. If they succeed, this will not go fast or without issues since wer talking about complete rework/optimising the GAME ENGINE.

Salutado!

[JG52Krupi]

Only messing around, ATAG have the same setup vulching is allowed so its more of a personal choice. I think most ppl have had a pop at the easy target when they don't think they have a long time left. I.e. in a 110 over hawkinge with four spit mk2s chasing u, who wouldn't try and have a pop at that spit taking off ;) but normally I give them a few minutes to gain alt and speed before engaging.

But back on topic, yes they can't promise anything but I am 100% certain the game will be running fine at some point.

[Plt Off JRB Meaker]

Aaaah......so it was you Krupi that shot at me whilst getting airborne,lol.

Seriously though I don't mind it at all,it makes it that more of a challenge for me IMO anyway to get 'one up' and come after the invader who's having a cheeky pop at you whilst your getting airborne.

......And of course that more satisfying when,or if you eventually catch and shoot down your assailant;)

[BlackSix]

List your questions №2

1. Are you planning to return a little shake in flight to the game, the type of one that was in earlier versions?

2. Will there be the appearance of a working siren on Ju-87?

3. Are you planning to use the opportunity to play several virtual cameras displayed on separate monitors, as it was in the old "IL-2"?

4. Is there any news about the Su-26?

5. Are you planning to transfer the new graphic effects (eg, weather) future sequels in the "Battle of Britain"?

6. Can you guys give us access to the AI programming functions, to can over-ride/improve them in 3rd party code (dll's)?
This would be a great step forward, as we have many users around here with good programming and flight sim AI development experience in order to start things moving in this direction.

7. Will the dynamic stall be implemented in the Flight Model?

8. Will the maximum altitude of the planes (ceiling) be raised to the historical values of ~10-11000 m? Today it is 7-8000 m for most planes, and much less for the Fiat G.50

9. Will the performances of the poor G.50 be upgraded to be closer to the real historical values? The G.50 maximum speed today is ~350 kmh at sea level against 407 kmh found in books and online references. The G.50 ceiling in game is some 5000 m, against 10500 m found in various sources.

10. Will the UBI intro .wmv video issue be finally corrected? Today it clocks down the ATI cards to 2D-power saving mode, and gives really poor performances to the users that do not delete or rename it. That is most of ATI users I guess.
http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=28054

11. Will the ghost dots issue be corrected? Today in online servers you see far contacts which disappear when you close in.

12. Will the GUI be optimized ? Today it's quite clumsy and not practical.

13. Will the track recording be improved? Today the main issues are: need to exit from flight to start recording, need to manually type a track file name, need to exit again from flight to stop the video, frequent crashes in the procedure, frequent crashes when trying to record an avi from a track.

14. Will the damage of a radiator by bullets produce a damage to the engine? Today you get the message "radiator leak" but the engine continues to run.

15. Will the AI crews of bombers be programed to do their jobs? Will navigators navigate. Will bomb aimers guide the aircraft into the bomb run. Will observers report air and surface contacts etc? Or are the current crew statues considered to be adequate?

16. Do you plan on adding bail animations and/or first person bailouts with the ability to look around when in a parachute. I know this is a more visual/immersion related question and I expect it would be more than likely only implemented with the BoM expansion.

[Feathered_IV]

Thanks Blacksix, here's one from me:

15. Will the AI crews of bombers be programed to do their jobs? Will navigators navigate. Will bomb aimers guide the aircraft into the bomb run. Will observers report air and surface contacts etc? Or are the current crew statues considered to be adequate?

[JG52Krupi]

16. Do you plan on adding bail animations and/or first person bailouts with the ability to look around when in a parachute. I know this is a more visual/immersion related question and I expect it would be more than likely only implemented with the BoM expansion.

17. Will BoM be an addon or separate? ;)

Thanks B6

[LoBiSoMeM]

A "rework" of question 5:

18. Will you add previous titles maps and planesets in future stand-alone sequels, or merge the two or more installs?

The most important question to me. Don't care much of any others, as i know 1C/MG will do a good job.

Thanks!

[JG53Harti]

19 Will we see the Coop-mode like in IL2 back in ClOD


;) :D

[BlackSix]

17. Will BoM be an addon or separate?

A "rework" of question 5:

18. Will you add previous titles maps and planesets in future stand-alone sequels, or merge the two or more installs?

It's too early for such questions. Sorry.

19 Will we see the Coop-modus like in IL2 back in ClOD

I can't understand the question...

[Flanker35M]

S!

Question is maybe that will we get a similar Co-operation mode(coop) as in IL-2 1946.

[Vengeanze]

19 Will we see the Coop-modus like in IL2 back in ClOD

I can't understand the question...

Me neither so...hey Harti : Modus my b-hole, you throwin' too many big words at me, and because I don't understand them, I'm gonna take 'em as disrespect. ;-)



Plz note the smiley.

[JG53Harti]

@BlackSix

I would like play coop mission like in the old IL2. Now we do not have an coop mode, which works like a coop mode.
In Il2, you could choose your plane, press start button, wait til all are ready and after that the host could start the mission.
So that we need in ClOD too.
The thing we now have is far away from a real good coop mode

[BlackSix]

@BlackSix

I would like play coop mission like in the old IL2. Now we do not have an coop mode, which works like a coop mode.
In Il2, you could choose your plane, press start button, wait til all are ready and after that the host could start the mission.
So that we need in ClOD too.
The thing we now have is far away from a real good coop mode

Ок)

[klem]

Originally Posted by JG52Krupi
17. Will BoM be an addon or separate?



Originally Posted by LoBiSoMeM
A "rework" of question 5:

18. Will you add previous titles maps and planesets in future stand-alone sequels, or merge the two or more installs?



Originally posted by BlackSix
It's too early for such questions. Sorry.




Can I rephrase the question?
18. Does Luthier understand how disappointed we will be if the sequels cannot be merged to give core improvements to earlier releases of the series?

[SYN_Repent]

@ Blacksix

why cant luthier and team use steam to put out small patches with small fixes regular, rather than big patches rarely??

[BlackSix]

Can I rephrase the question?
18. Does Luthier understand how disappointed we will be if the sequels cannot be merged to give core improvements to earlier releases of the series?

Ok. This is the final 20th question. The list is closed.

[JG52Krupi]

Can I rephrase the question?
18. Does Luthier understand how disappointed we will be if the sequels cannot be merged to give core improvements to earlier releases of the series?

+1

Ok. This is the final 20th question. The list is closed.

Thanks B6.

[BlackSix]

@ Blacksix

why cant luthier and team use steam to put out small patches with small fixes regular, rather than big patches rarely??

Publication of small patches through Steam can be inconvenient for the programmers.

[BlackSix]

Final list your questions №2

1. Are you planning to return a little shake in flight to the game, the type of one that was in earlier versions?

2. Will there be the appearance of a working siren on Ju-87?

3. Are you planning to use the opportunity to play several virtual cameras displayed on separate monitors, as it was in the old "IL-2"?

4. Is there any news about the Su-26?

5. Are you planning to transfer the new graphic effects (eg, weather) future sequels in the "Battle of Britain"?

6. Can you guys give us access to the AI programming functions, to can over-ride/improve them in 3rd party code (dll's)?
This would be a great step forward, as we have many users around here with good programming and flight sim AI development experience in order to start things moving in this direction.

7. Will the dynamic stall be implemented in the Flight Model?

8. Will the maximum altitude of the planes (ceiling) be raised to the historical values of ~10-11000 m? Today it is 7-8000 m for most planes, and much less for the Fiat G.50

9. Will the performances of the poor G.50 be upgraded to be closer to the real historical values? The G.50 maximum speed today is ~350 kmh at sea level against 407 kmh found in books and online references. The G.50 ceiling in game is some 5000 m, against 10500 m found in various sources.

10. Will the UBI intro .wmv video issue be finally corrected? Today it clocks down the ATI cards to 2D-power saving mode, and gives really poor performances to the users that do not delete or rename it. That is most of ATI users I guess.
http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=28054

11. Will the ghost dots issue be corrected? Today in online servers you see far contacts which disappear when you close in.

12. Will the GUI be optimized? Today it's not practical.

13. Will the track recording be improved? Today the main issues are: need to exit from flight to start recording, need to manually type a track file name, need to exit again from flight to stop the video, frequent crashes in the procedure, frequent crashes when trying to record an avi from a track.

14. Will the damage of a radiator by bullets produce a damage to the engine? Today you get the message "radiator leak" but the engine continues to run.

15. Will the AI crews of bombers be programed to do their jobs? Will navigators navigate. Will bomb aimers guide the aircraft into the bomb run. Will observers report air and surface contacts etc? Or are the current crew statues considered to be adequate?

16. Do you plan on adding bail animations and/or first person bailouts with the ability to look around when in a parachute.

17. Will we see the coop mission in CloD, as it was in the old "IL-2"?

18. Are you planning to create new aircraft for the "Battle of Britain"?

19. Are you planning to assign precise control point of view (zoom) button or axis, as it was in the old "IL-2"?

20. Does Luthier understand how disappointed we will be if the sequels cannot be merged to give core improvements to earlier releases of the series?

[kendo65]

Thanks BlackSix for the ongoing communication.

Have to say I think that Q. 20 (merged install) will turn out to be the latest in a long-running series of storm in a teacup, non-issues that blow up here and run for a few weeks before being revealed as complete BS fed by misunderstanding and panic.

[pupo162]

Final list your questions №2

2. Will there be the appearance of a working siren on Ju-87?



this one has been answered before by Luthier i believe.

the siren was a short lived thing apparently and it was removed by the time of BOB. it also cause a speed reduction of 20 or so km/h due to weigt and drag
no sources.

trought that there is the 3d model for it in the game..... should be removed interely.

[louisv]

As long as the sirens are there (the 3d model), might as well use them...

Imagine this crazy Stuka pilot installs one on his own JU-87...it could be an option.

[smink1701]

Anything that will include a P-51:grin:

[GOZR]

19. Are you planning to assign precise control point of view (zoom) button or axis, as it was in the old "IL-2"?

Well you mean i hope better eyes Position of pilot as well right?

[Dano]

Whatever happened to the dedicated server? Or did I miss something?

[Insuber]

That's called fresh news? That's as stale and putrid as most of the other "unofficial news" that creeps up on sukhoi all the time.

Don't you guys know by now that that forum is plagued by trolls and bitter grouches even more so than this one? If you can believe that.

If on this forum the glass is "only" always half empty, on sukhoi.ru the glass is fully empty, and that it's so empty it's about to collapse in on itself, and they've heard from somebody in the team that it's not even glass but petrified feces and it's all a huge conspiracy.

LOL ... you know Luthier, the lack of information created the strangest religions ... :)

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Hello BlackSix

I know your just the messenger..

So you may or may not know the answers to the following questions

Maybe the original person who submitted each can answer the following questions?

For example, what does item # 7 mean?, i.e.


7. Will the dynamic stall be implemented in the Flight Model?

Just wondering what they meant by dynamic stall? It seems to imply that what we have now is static? Granted, from what I understand the standard 6DOF flight modeling only applies to flight, and that once a plane stalls (departs flight), 'other' code is used until 'flight' is re-established.. So, not sure what they were referring to with that question.

Was also wondering about # 12, i.e.


12. Will the GUI be optimized? Today it's not practical.

Did the person that submit that item expand on it more than that? Would be interesting to know a little more detail as to what said person considers to be not practical/optimized

Was also wondering about # 14, i.e.


14. Will the damage of a radiator by bullets produce a damage to the engine? Today you get the message "radiator leak" but the engine continues to run.

Is this person saying the engine will never die? Because depending on the 'rate' of the leak it could take some time for the engine to overheat such that it dies

Anyway any info would be welcomed.

And keep up the good work!

[Insuber]

Dynamic Stall: go to Wikipedia if you want. Today only the normal stall is modeled - not good for a flight simulator.
GUI: RoF is a good example.
Bullet damage to radiator: you can fly for a lot of time despite the message "radiator leak", at least in the 109, imo it is a bug.

Cheers,
Ins

[ElAurens]

Perhaps they mean accelerated stall?

Darn, you got me to post, and I was trying hard to stay away till after New Years.


Back to the cave...

[Skoshi Tiger]

Dynamic Stall: go to Wikipedia if you want. Today only the normal stall is modeled - not good for a flight simulator.

Cheers,
Ins

When you go to wikipedia and look up dynamic stall it redirects you to stall where it says

"Dynamic stall is an effect most associated with helicopters and flapping wings. During forward flight, some regions of a helicopter blade may incur flow that reverses (compared to the direction of blade movement), and thus includes rapidly changing angles of attack. Oscillating (flapping) wings, such as those of insects— including the most famous one, the bumblebee — may rely almost entirely on dynamic stall for lift production, provided the oscillations are fast compared to the speed of flight, and the angle of the wing changes rapidly compared to airflow direction.[22]"

Is this relavant for the fixed wing aircraft in this sim? If so how?


Cheers!

[Swoop]

Just had a session on ROF with some mates, second time online and not much sucess. Had 10 minutes to kill so jumped on the ATAG server in a Spit2 and what a blast, the speed and the feel. Took out a 109s elevator and shot up a couple of bombers. I guess what I'm getting at is this sim is just great fun and thankyou all for the hard work your doing :)

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Dynamic Stall: go to Wikipedia if you want. Today only the normal stall is modeled - not good for a flight simulator.
Ok looking at the wiki, i.e.

wiki dynamic stall (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stall_(flight)#Dynamic_stall):
Dynamic stall is a non-linear unsteady aerodynamic effect that occurs when airfoils rapidly change the angle of attack. The rapid change can cause a strong vortex to be shed from the leading edge of the aerofoil, and travel backwards above the wing. The vortex, containing high-velocity airflows, briefly increases the lift produced by the wing. As soon as it passes behind the trailing edge, however, the lift reduces dramatically, and the wing is in normal stall
Based on that looks like ElAurens is close to the mark.. basically an accelerated stall situation.. Thing that is interesting is it also states you get a brief increase in lift.. So other than the brief increase, it follows the standard stall def

Also note the wiki reference #22 is from here

Unsteady aerodynamics (http://web.archive.org/web/20071229110350/http://aerodyn.org/Dstall/dstall.html)
Dynamic stall is a phenomenon that affects airfoils, wings and rotors in unsteady flows. It is due to changes, periodic or not, in the inflow conditions and/or angle of attack. In some cases, such helicopter rotors in advancing flight, dynamic stall is intrinsic to their state of operation.

A comprehensive review of CFD methods for dynamic stall has been published by Ekaterinaris and Platzer (1997); for physical insight, see McCroskey (1981).

In wind turbines it is the result of atmospheric turbulence, wind shears, earth boundary layer, etc. The aerodynamic characteristics are affected to an extend that depends on the frequency of the changes, their amplitude and the point of operation.

Other factors affecting dynamic stall are the Reynolds and Mach numbers and the geometrical shape. There other, maybe minor factors, like the vortex effects, blade flapping and bending, etc...

In the following discussion we will consider the airfoil dynamic stall, which is a particular case of rotor and wing stall. The airfoil is subject to two fundamental periodic oscillations: plunging and pitching.

A plunging oscillation is a periodic translation of the airfoil in a direction normal to the free stream. A pitching motion is a periodic variation of the angle of attack.
Looks like Skoshi hit close to home on that with the helo rotors.. Also reading that I get the impression this is geared more for a computational fluid dynamic (CFD) flight model than the standard 6DOF flight model.. Where the change in the atmosphere has more affect.. The question is will the user even notice the effect? That is to say at the design level it may be noted, or during flight testing it might show a spike in the data.. but would the user of the flight sim notice it?

All in all it appears the standard def of stall still applies in both, just the changes/turbulence due to the atmosphere causes it to stall a little sooner or little later depending on the situation

GUI: RoF is a good example.
example of what?

Bullet damage to radiator: you can fly for a lot of time despite the message "radiator leak", at least in the 109, imo it is a bug.
It would be a bug if it could fly forever.. In that I don't know if there was any sort of self sealing radiators in WWII?

[BlackSix]

So, what can I do with Dynamic stall? Remove the question?

question 12, new form:
Will the GUI be remade?
ok?

[furbs]

Yes...B6 and ask if we will see FSAA in CLOD, or where are the 2D clouds?

[jimbop]

11. Will the ghost dots issue be corrected? Today in online servers you see far contacts which disappear when you close in.

B6, can you please clarify whether this is about actual ghosts or the disappearing of real targets online? This can be fixed by MeshShowLod=1 but this hurts performance for many systems.

[BlackSix]

I would like to Insuber said about Dynamic stall.

11. Will the ghost dots issue be corrected? Today in online servers you see far contacts which disappear when you close in.

B6, can you please clarify whether this is about actual ghosts or the disappearing of real targets online? This can be fixed by MeshShowLod=1 but this hurts performance for many systems.

11. Will the ghost dots issue be corrected? It's a actual ghosts or the disappearing of real targets online? Today in online servers you see far contacts which disappear when you close in.

So it is good?

[David198502]

hey BlackSix!
when can we expect the answers on these questions?

[jimbop]

11. Will the ghost dots issue be corrected? It's a actual ghosts or the disappearing of real targets online? Today in online servers you see far contacts which disappear when you close in.

So it is good?

Try this edited version. I think this is what the original question was about:

11. Today in online servers you see far contacts which disappear when you close in. This can be fixed by MeshShowLod=1 but performance suffers. Will this be fixed?

[klem]

Thanks BlackSix for the ongoing communication.

Have to say I think that Q. 20 (merged install) will turn out to be the latest in a long-running series of storm in a teacup, non-issues that blow up here and run for a few weeks before being revealed as complete BS fed by misunderstanding and panic.

There is no 'panic'. The 'misunderstanding' is actually concern based on BlackSix's/Luthier's answer, as recent as the last few days, to the question "will CoD and the sequels be capable of merged installs". Their answer, even today, is "Its too early to tell" meaning they don't know themselves yet. I don't call the question or the current answer BS.

Those of us that have followed IL-2 for years and the early proposals of CoD expect merged installs as a way of older releases benefitting from core improvements. It has become more important given that Luthier has indicated that some aspects of CoD may not be fixed in CoD-specific patches.

[BlackSix]

hey BlackSix!
when can we expect the answers on these questions?

I'll give the list tomorrow.
I don't know, it depends on the time available for Ilya.
Today finalizing questions.

Try this edited version. I think this is what the original question was about:

11. Today in online servers you see far contacts which disappear when you close in. This can be fixed by MeshShowLod=1 but performance suffers. Will this be fixed?

Ok

[kendo65]

There is no 'panic'. The 'misunderstanding' is actually concern based on BlackSix's/Luthier's answer, as recent as the last few days, to the question "will CoD and the sequels be capable of merged installs". Their answer, even today, is "Its too early to tell" meaning they don't know themselves yet. I don't call the question or the current answer BS.

Those of us that have followed IL-2 for years and the early proposals of CoD expect merged installs as a way of older releases benefitting from core improvements. It has become more important given that Luthier has indicated that some aspects of CoD may not be fixed in CoD-specific patches.

I interpreted B6's 'can't tell' answer as being down purely to legalistic information with-holding, ie he isn't specifically authorised yet by Luthier to divulge ANY information about the sequel, rather than the devs not actually knowing themselves.

I'm sure that Luthier said some time ago that future installments would work as BOTH standalone and merged installs. I haven't tried to hunt down that quote though.

i've been wrong on this game before, but if I'm wrong on this I'll eat my shorts (as someone else famously once said...)

Such a situation would take the devs shooting of themselves in the foot to new, previously unimagined heights.

[Robert]

I interpreted B6's 'can't tell' answer as being down purely to legalistic information with-holding, ie he isn't specifically authorised yet by Luthier to divulge ANY information about the sequel, rather than the devs not actually knowing themselves.

I'm sure that Luthier said some time ago that future installments would work as BOTH standalone and merged installs. I haven't tried to hunt down that quote though.

i've been wrong on this game before, but if I'm wrong on this I'll eat my shorts (as someone else famously once said...)

Such a situation would take the devs shooting of themselves in the foot to new, previously unimagined heights.



That's why I'm not really concerned. I'd imagine the potential damage to their reputation and the risk of future sales is a vital concern to 1C/MG. We're a small community with a rather vocal following. Why risk it.

[ACE-OF-ACES]

So, what can I do with Dynamic stall? Remove the question?
Please don't based on what I said! I was just curious as to it's meaning!

[ACE-OF-ACES]

I'm sure that Luthier said some time ago that future installments would work as BOTH standalone and merged installs. I haven't tried to hunt down that quote though.
Based on 1C's history with IL-2 I would interpret 'stand alone' to mean CoD will remain a stand alone game that people can play.. Just as 'IL-2 pacific fighters' is a stand alone game that people can play.. Even though most have migrated to the latest version of IL-2, i.e. 'IL-2 1946'.

And by 'merged' I would interpret that to mean everything (maps, planes, etc) from CoD will be included into the Russian front version.. Just as 'IL-2 1946' includes everything from 'IL-2 pacific fighters' and more

[klem]

I interpreted B6's 'can't tell' answer as being down purely to legalistic information with-holding, ie he isn't specifically authorised yet by Luthier to divulge ANY information about the sequel, rather than the devs not actually knowing themselves.

I'm sure that Luthier said some time ago that future installments would work as BOTH standalone and merged installs. I haven't tried to hunt down that quote though.

i've been wrong on this game before, but if I'm wrong on this I'll eat my shorts (as someone else famously once said...)

Such a situation would take the devs shooting of themselves in the foot to new, previously unimagined heights.

Hmmm, well I guess there is an element of interpretation of "It's too early for such questions."

One thing's for sure, anyone with IL-2 history and Oleg's early promotion of CoD is expecting it and it won't hurt to ask the question.

[Ctrl E]

Sheesh. You guys mixing your kool-aid yet?

[Insuber]

So, what can I do with Dynamic stall? Remove the question?
No better, remove Ace of Aces :)

question 12, new form: Will the GUI be remade?
ok?

I would reformulate it like this:
question 12: will the GUI be optimised, to be less clumsy and more ergonomical (today you need several clicks to do simple things), in the same way that RoF optimized their GUI? Today RoF is a great exemple of an appealing, sexy and functional user interface.

Cheers!

[Sokol1]

10. Will the UBI intro .wmv video issue be finally corrected? Today it clocks down the ATI cards to 2D-power saving mode, and gives really poor performances to the users that do not delete or rename it. That is most of ATI users I guess.
http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=28054



This bug affect only "western" versions of the game

Posted by B6 in Sukhoi.forum (Google Translation):

"You got no English version? (Answer to Russian guy).
Talking about the intro (with) Ubisoft and 1C, we can not do this deal."

Sokol1

[ACE-OF-ACES]

No better, remove Ace of Aces :)
Ah ha.. So is it safe to assume that input was one by you? ;)

Eitherway it will be telling to see Luithers reply to it! ;)

[Kodoss]

B6: Can we have a static pic of the Ubi-logo instead of the video? That would save us from clocked down ATI-cards and you from programming a workaround.

[Chivas]

B6: Can we have a static pic of the Ubi-logo instead of the video? That would save us from clocked down ATI-cards and you from programming a workaround.

The workaround couldn't be any easier. I've done it, not because of ATI problems, but just to lower the sim load time.

[David198502]

The workaround couldn't be any easier. I've done it, not because of ATI problems, but just to lower the sim load time.

thats true...but i suspect , that there are many gamers out there, who dont visit this forum, and who are not aware of the workaround and wonder why this sim runs that crappy.

[ZaltysZ]

Static stall: 1G flight, your speed decreases, you increase AoA to compensate. Stall happens when critical AoA is reached.

Accelerated stall: same us above, but there must be >1G. In such condition, you need higher AoA than in 1G flight, because lift is countered not only by weight, but by sum of weight and centrifugal force.

Dynamic stall: you increase AoA past a critical value very quickly, vortex is created at leading edge, lift increases, then vortex detaches and you experience rapid loss of lift and sometimes even a high nose-down pitching.

I think, important things about dynamic stall is: amplitude and rate of AoA change, and increase of lift before the stall.

[Ataros]

Impressive mission from a sukhoi.ru member posted. Video of air attack and track of a tank attack are included. Works like a strategy game too: you can call reinforcements and schedule your tank attack carefully.
http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=28595

Worth flying and/or watching with external views.

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Static stall: 1G flight, your speed decreases, you increase AoA to compensate. Stall happens when critical AoA is reached.

Accelerated stall: same us above, but there must be >1G. In such condition, you need higher AoA than in 1G flight, because lift is countered not only by weight, but by sum of weight and centrifugal force.

Dynamic stall: you increase AoA past a critical value very quickly, vortex is created at leading edge, lift increases, then vortex detaches and you experience rapid loss of lift and sometimes even a high nose-down pitching.

I think, important things about dynamic stall is: amplitude and rate of AoA change, and increase of lift before the stall.
Thanks for the feedback Zaltys..

Looking at your definitions of Accelerated and Dynamic..

Your dynamic def reads just like the link I posted.. Except there is no mention of how the variations in stall are due to the variations atmosphere.. From the link I posted they point out how the stall can vary due to the variation in wind (atmosphere). Other than that the two defs are very interchangeable.

One other thing, you stated you 'need higher AoA than in 1G flight'.. IMHO you should re-word that to read 'during a constant altitude banked turn the AoA will have to be higher than it would be during level flight (1g) at the same speed'.. That example is a little easier for most to visualize. It is also important to note the critical AoA at which the stall occurs is the same for all three cases.

[BlackSix]

There is good news. A list of questions has been transferred to Ilya. The answers will be published this Friday. You will find a lot of positive things. And finally you will get so interested in all the information about how the CloD will be merged with the sequels. Wait)

[Sven]

Thank you !!! :grin:

[MD_Titus]

*does a happy dance*

[Dano]

There is good news. A list of questions has been transferred to Ilya. The answers will be published this Friday. You will find a lot of positive things. And finally you will get so interested in all the information about how the CloD will be merged with the sequels. Wait)

Nice, I predict it will keep the mob appeased for no less than one week and no more than two point three seven four weeks depending on how Mars and Jupiter are conjuncted (is that even a word?) at the time of a virgin being sacrificed in little whinging.

[Chivas]

Nice, I predict it will keep the mob appeased for no less than one week and no more than two point three seven four weeks depending on how Mars and Jupiter are conjuncted (is that even a word?) at the time of a virgin being sacrificed in little whinging.

I disagree, there will be an unconstructive criticism within three pages of Fridays post. ;)

[Dano]

I disagree, there will be an unconstructive criticism within three pages of Fridays post. ;)

That's the problem with you armchair critics, no idea of the reality of the situation :D

[flyingblind]

There is good news. A list of questions has been transferred to Ilya. The answers will be published this Friday. You will find a lot of positive things. And finally you will get so interested in all the information about how the CloD will be merged with the sequels. Wait)


Damn. I have a day off work Friday with a lot to do and now it will be wasted hanging around the computer.

[klem]

Nice, I predict it will keep the mob appeased for no less than one week and no more than two point three seven four weeks depending on how Mars and Jupiter are conjuncted (is that even a word?) at the time of a virgin being sacrificed in little whinging.

Sorry to correct you but there are no virgins in Little Whinging. I know, I've been there.

[ACE-OF-ACES]

I disagree, there will be an unconstructive criticism within three pages of Fridays post. ;)
I disagree, there will be an unconstructive criticism before fridays post!

Just give them a few min and they will be dissin BlackSix post before you kno..

Oh wait never mind I see some allready have!

Like clock work these guys!

[jimbop]

Thanks BlackSix.

You know, I think the tone is improving around here - seems generally more constructive.

[Sutts]

Thanks BlackSix, you're a star.:grin:

[Tvrdi]

There is good news. A list of questions has been transferred to Ilya. The answers will be published this Friday. You will find a lot of positive things. And finally you will get so interested in all the information about how the CloD will be merged with the sequels. Wait)

All we got and all we had are promises.

[Ze-Jamz]

Lol

[ATAG_Snapper]

Damn. I have a day off work Friday with a lot to do and now it will be wasted hanging around the computer.

Same here! I have refresh programmed into my Voice Activated Controls, but I'm worried the guy-with-no-life in the next cubicle is gonna report me to HR on Friday for endlessly repeating "F5"......"F5"......."F5"........"F5".....

I mean, honestly, that know-nothing really does have to get a life!

Is Snooki on TV tonight, anyone know?

[FS~Phat]

Just want to take a moment to say thanks to JG52uther for keeping this thread on the straight and narrow and blacksix for the most useful information Ive read all year! Thanks guys much appreciated!! :grin:

Im really looking forward to logging some flight hours over the xmas break and live in hope of a beta patch!

Can I suggest this thread possibly get a sticky even if it means starting a new clean thread with updates from sukhoi.ru.

There's some really useful info in here that puts a pretty positive light on the development and future of the game that is pretty hard to find unless you read many pages of often irrelevant information.

Just an idea! ;)

[BaronBonBaron]

can i suggest this thread possibly get a sticky even if it means starting a new clean thread with updates from sukhoi.ru.

There's some really useful info in here that puts a pretty positive light on the development and future of the game that is pretty hard to find unless you read many pages of often irrelevant information. +100

[Friendly_flyer]

If on this forum the glass is "only" always half empty, on sukhoi.ru the glass is fully empty, and that it's so empty it's about to collapse in on itself, and they've heard from somebody in the team that it's not even glass but petrified feces and it's all a huge conspiracy.

It sounds like you guys need a break, hope you all have a happy holiday!

[Robert]

It sounds like you guys need a break, hope you all have a happy holiday!

If on this forum the glass is "only" always half empty, on sukhoi.ru the glass is fully empty, and that it's so empty it's about to collapse in on itself, and they've heard from somebody in the team that it's not even glass but petrified feces and it's all a huge conspiracy.


I'm hoping none of the sukhoi forum members come here to have comments translated into Russian. Can you imagine how this might translate? LOL

[Friendly_flyer]

Can you imagine how this might translate? LOL

:D

[Ataros]

I'm hoping none of the sukhoi forum members come here to have comments translated into Russian. Can you imagine how this might translate? LOL

As not 100% correct.

I realise that people from Eastern European countries tend to have more negative personalities more or less due to communist regime, stalinism, soviet occupation, etc. but on the other hand, mods at sukhoi.ru have much more strict attitude to negative destructive posters than on these forums.

I can say that sukhoi.ru became less negative than this forums since summer. Most of destructive posts are removed (like on other sim forums), members who do not bring to the table anything but their negativity are banned.

The devs team has serious quality control and priority management issues without Oleg and Softclub is definitely not MG unfortunately but there is no point in posting it up every day. IMHO.

[Insuber]

Fresh stuff from B6 in Sukhoi.ru! Not stale stuff from evil users ...

Q: Are there any chances that the patch is released this year?
B6: imo the patch will not come out this year.
Q regarding holydays:
B6: MG office will be closed from Jan 1st till Jan 9th.
Q about the BoB series and its "sequel":
B6: BoB is a well defined game, and not a series
Q: Are BoM and BoB linked?
B6: this is the most important military secret. BoM was not announced and no information concerning the subject has not yet been given.
Q regarding the structure of the next sequels and how do they merge into a single game:
B6: The answer to this question involves partial disclosure of the structure of future unannounced projects, I can not answer yet.
Q about current weather in Moscow:
B6: I will ask Luthier permission to disclose it! Just kidding here ... :)

Other than that there is a debate about Dynamic Stall ... A lot of people therein seems confused about basic aerodynamic concepts as much as in here ... and this proves that they lurk on "our" forum too ... :)

Cheers!

[JG52Uther]

Please continue dynamic stall discussions here:
http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=28627

[BlackSix]

Please continue dynamic stall discussions here:
http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=28627

Thank you! It was very difficult to read and understand this topic.

[David198502]

hey BlackSix!

is there any news regarding the patch, or beta patch?i dont mean the date of release, but what it actually will contain.

[BlackSix]

hey BlackSix!

is there any news regarding the patch, or beta patch?i dont mean the date of release, but what it actually will contain.

I have no news. Maybe Ilya publish anything. But I can't promise it.

Answers to your questions (Friday Update - December 23, 2011) will be posted within 2 or 3 hours.

[David198502]

ok thx BlackSix.
will Ilya give us an update directly, or is it you again who will post the answers of him?

[BlackSix]

ok thx BlackSix.
will Ilya give us an update directly, or is it you again who will post the answers of him?

I'll publish his answers are collected in the last 2 weeks

[Aer9o]

I'll publish his answers are collected in the last 2 weeks

We should have got a beta by now or if there are isuues we should have been informed by now! Ilia quoted below!:

"Friday Development Update - November 18, 2011

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Gentlemen,

A short update today.

Continuing to work on all fronts. The graphics reload has finally reached a sufficiently stable alpha state. Public beta is within reach. We’ll be benchmarking it next week and releasing the results. At this point we ourselves do not know how much better it’s gotten, and we’re as excited to learn as you are."

[Dano]

We should have got a beta by now or if there are isuues we should have been informed by now! Ilia quoted below!:

"Friday Development Update - November 18, 2011

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Gentlemen,

A short update today.

Continuing to work on all fronts. The graphics reload has finally reached a sufficiently stable alpha state. Public beta is within reach. We’ll be benchmarking it next week and releasing the results. At this point we ourselves do not know how much better it’s gotten, and we’re as excited to learn as you are."

We got an update telling us there was an unforseen issue holding it up, neither technical or legal iirc.

[JG52Krupi]

Technical or fiscal Dano ;)

[Dano]

knew it was something lol :)

[Richie]

I'm not a Battle Of Britain guy...Never was. F4s in the Mediterranean would be my favorite, North Africa etc. Russia will have to do. The snow will be cool if we get it. At least I'll be able to see something.

[Richie]

I know. In Helmut Lipfert's book he is telling of flying along over a flat totally white landscape with only a rail line for reference. If the tracks weren't there it would have been like flying over a pale of milk. I get my clear circular compass out and press it to the monitor if I have to fly a long distance over something like that. Then just make a note of the heading and keep that course.

[Richie]

Here's what I use..works well.

[jimbop]

Hi BlackSix, a question for luthier for next time:

Will the new graphics engine have improved SLI/Crossfire performance? SLI currently gives minimal frames per second increase for many players and can introduce stutters.

[ATAG_Doc]

I get my clear circular compass out and press it to the monitor if I have to fly a long distance over something like that. Then just make a note of the heading and keep that course.

Hax!! lol

[Verhängnis]

There are in-game angle and distance tools for the map now, ;) Not to mention the instruments in your aircraft.

[ATAG_Dutch]

Interesting, never thought of using a real tool to help navigate, thanks for the idea!

:lol: Did you have anyone in mind? :lol:

[Richie]

Interesting, never thought of using a real tool to help navigate, thanks for the idea!


Heck if you've got lots of printer ink just print the maps out that you fly and you can use it on the desk rather than on the screen. I mark the heading while I'm at base that way you can get it exact.

[ATAG_Dutch]

Heck if you've got lots of printer ink just print the maps out that you fly and you can use it on the desk rather than on the screen. I mark the heading while I'm at base that way you can get it exact.

But seriously folks, I scoured the house for a protractor only the other day, but found I didn't possess one. Need to get one of those kiddie geometry sets methinks!

Interested in what Verhangis says though.

What in game map aids and where are they??

[ATAG_Dutch]

Thanks. I'll take a look. ;)

[Richie]

There's a menu if you right click the map, then in the menu, highlight Tools and click. It gives you some stuff you can mark up your in-game map with.

Not easy to use in a single-engined fighter with minimal trim controls, I like the idea of whipping out a protractor and sticking it on the screen, and using the old standard issue Mk.I Eyeballs and guesstimating.


Have to take a look :)

[White Owl]

I made a mod for Silent Hunter 4 a few months ago, that improved the map tools protractor mouse cursor. I wonder if there's any way to get that same kind of thing working here... click the map tool, and the cursor changes to an actual protractor.

[BlackSix]

Hi BlackSix, a question for luthier for next time:

Will the new graphics engine have improved SLI/Crossfire performance? SLI currently gives minimal frames per second increase for many players and can introduce stutters.

Ок

[jf1981]

That's called fresh news? That's as stale and putrid as most of the other "unofficial news" that creeps up on sukhoi all the time.

Don't you guys know by now that that forum is plagued by trolls and bitter grouches even more so than this one? If you can believe that.

If on this forum the glass is "only" always half empty, on sukhoi.ru the glass is fully empty, and that it's so empty it's about to collapse in on itself, and they've heard from somebody in the team that it's not even glass but petrified feces and it's all a huge conspiracy.

By the way, for original post author, loosing your nerves during dogfight has desatrous effects. Learn self control ;)

Joke apart. Hope We'll have a sequel soon, solving the major issues. Long life to CoD and long support to it as for previous one.

[ATAG_MajorBorris]

Im not sure why everyone says BoM is mostly for russians, I cant wait for more content whatever theater it's in:grin:

[BaronBonBaron]

Im not sure why everyone says BoM is mostly for russians, I cant wait for more content whatever theater it's in:grin:
+1 Agreed!

[adonys]

I agree too, no matter which theater would be the new one, it would be fine for me.

[addman]

Im not sure why everyone says BoM is mostly for russians, I cant wait for more content whatever theater it's in:grin:

I'd take anything right about now.

[jg27_mc]

Im not sure why everyone says BoM is mostly for russians, I cant wait for more content whatever theater it's in:grin:

Disagree...