Fresh stuff from sukhoi.ru (Discussion)

[Verhängnis]

I'd rather fly Finnish or Fokker over those silly
things they call P-47's or P-51's... BoM +1!

[kestrel79]

I like the Russian Front. It's what originally drew me into IL2. Learning about planes, battles, and dogfights we just simply don't learn about in school here in the US was facinating.

Plus was there any Lend Lease planes used in Battle for Moscow era? I know that's how a few US planes made it into IL2. P-40, P-39.

[Flanker35M]

S!

Bring on BoM, just leave out the TIE fighters we had in original IL-2 series :)

[BlackSix]

S!

Bring on BoM, just leave out the TIE fighters we had in original IL-2 series

TIE Fighter! I love it)
We could make the world's best space simulator, if Lucasfilm had sold a license))) Yes, and you would have great difficulty with the launch of ion engines)

Joke :)

[Frequent_Flyer]

The VVS aircraft as depicted by Oleg in Il-2 were not historacly accurate. The LaGG-3 ,Yak and MiGG were infamous for leaking great quanities of oil, constantly over heating to the point of combustion. Causing very poor performance from the aircraft. The labor was vastly unskilled the materials were of poor quality, in fact the windscreens and canopies " yellowed " so profoundly visibility was a problem. Exhaust fumes routinely filled the cockpit along with the engines runnig so hot, many pilots had to open the canopy in flight to tolerate the environment within their cockpit.No radio communications, and poorly refined aviation fuel,futher degrading performance. . Since the negative -G induced engine cut is modeled in BOB , I assume the above mentioned would be modelled to some extent in BOM. this will demonstrate histoical fidelity.

Seeing how Il-2 never adaquately addressed the PTO, ETO nor Med., I would have preferred any of these three to the Eastern Front.

[JG52Uther]

thread clean up again. Some of this stuff is verging on spam in this thread, which is here for a specific purpose.If you want to talk about FM's, start a new thread.

[Mysticpuma]

Battle of Moscow?

Did that include the build up where Hurricanes were brought over by No.81 Squadron to Vaenga as part of the lend-lease?

http://81squadron.com/WW%202.htm

Eric Carter, last surviving member of 81 Squadron talks about his time in the RAF and off to Russia as part of "Force Benedict"

http://blip.tv/file/2377138/

Cheers, MP

[kristorf]

I must say that personally for me North Africa/Med would seem a logical step forward and as said it has not been done before to any depth

[klem]

I must say that personally for me North Africa/Med would seem a logical step forward and as said it has not been done before to any depth

+1
The aircraft would also lend themselves to 'Leaning in to France 41-42' on the BoB map (excluding long range bombing and Allied heavies which would presumably be another Sequel).

[philip.ed]

I must say that personally for me North Africa/Med would seem a logical step forward and as said it has not been done before to any depth

+1, however the fact that it's the next logical step is most likely the reason why it isn't the next step.

[FG28_Kodiak]

For 1C as an east european puplisher, the Battle of Moscow is the next logical step, maybe they think their audience is more interested in east szenarios then west.

[kristorf]

For 1C as an east european puplisher, the Battle of Moscow is the next logical step, maybe they think their audience is more interested in east szenarios then west.

Possibly, but I think moving to the 'East' will convince people in Central/Western Europe and the America's not to buy any add-on, especially if the only way to fix the current game is via this route.

[IamNotDavid]

especially if the only way to fix the current game is via this route.

The devs are still working on CoD.

[ZaltysZ]

Eastern front is fun, because:

1) Planeset is very varied: from biplanes like I-153 to high altitude MiGs.
2) Weather and landscape are rich (I mean, it is not channel or desert).
3) Ground war is very intense. Lots of work for ground attack planes, and fighters covering them. Frontlines can move pretty fast - important for MP and dynamic SP campaigns.
4) It does not require bunch of planes, which can't be made without paying royalties.

[Frequent_Flyer]

Eastern front is fun, because:

1) Planeset is very varied: from biplanes like I-153 to high altitude MiGs.
2) Weather and landscape are rich (I mean, it is not channel or desert).
3) Ground war is very intense. Lots of work for ground attack planes, and fighters covering them. Frontlines can move pretty fast - important for MP and dynamic SP campaigns.
4) It does not require bunch of planes, which can't be made without paying royalties.

The planeset for BOB and BOM are essentially same when broken down: small ,slow early war trainers with inadequate ammunition and fuel . The type of missions are nearly identical, relatively small groups of bombers and fighters attacking local tactical targets i.e airfields from close proximinty. With a large city London/Moscow, of little ,tactical relavance except to eat up computer resources.

The PTO was probally out of the question, modelling the participating Navies would require much time and unavaible resources.

North Africa/Med would have provided more diverse mission opportunities and
planeset.

[Ploughman]

I think you're missing some of the plus points of the Battle of Moscow.

1. It's of central interest to 1Cs core customer base; the Russian market, meaning more people will invest in the game and keep the thing going.

2. By this emphasis on the core market Luthier is commiting himself to meeting the technical needs of the sim's core base which tends to have less capable machines to run this sim on than those of us in the west.

[Frequent_Flyer]

I think you're missing some of the plus points of the Battle of Moscow.

1. It's of central interest to 1Cs core customer base; the Russian market, meaning more people will invest in the game and keep the thing going.

2. By this emphasis on the core market Luthier is commiting himself to meeting the technical needs of the sim's core base which tends to have less capable machines to run this sim on than those of us in the west.

It is a known fact that the Russian Market is 1C's largest market segment? My educated guess would have been North America, assuming CLOD had the same demographics as IL-2.

[Dano]

It is a known fact that the Russian Market is 1C's largest market segment? My educated guess would have been North America, assuming CLOD had the same demographics as IL-2.

Educated guess on what basis? gut feeling? If North America was 1C's largest market then how is it that throughout IL2's life North America has always been last to see a release?

[VO101_Tom]

It is a known fact that the Russian Market is 1C's largest market segment? My educated guess would have been North America, assuming CLOD had the same demographics as IL-2.

The Russian market is huge, considering the number of players. But the game 3-5 times more expensive in EU/US. So, I do not think that any of the market would be more important than the other, if you look at the business aspects.

I think it really matter that the Russian community is much more hostile than we are (it said Luthier), then he will choose a theme, which is closer to them. But not just them, i prefer the BoM too. I really look forward instead of bleak desert maps with LW, RAI, RAF types... again... little bored...

[BigC208]

I really look forward instead of bleak desert maps with LW, RAI, RAF types... again... little bored...

I'm with you on this one. With the amount of detailed ground vehicles and objects BoM is going to be a bonanza for ground pounding. Even the older Russian aircraft could be dangerous to ground troops. Be fun protecting either side's ground troops. Even more fun hedge hopping and strafing collumns of infantry and support vehicles in a Rata with 20mm canon and rockets.

[tarks]

Reality is , as long as they release a SDK where you can make new maps with new textures , even islands - we wont really need expansions apart from new aircraft. The mod community can do it all and probably better as can be seen in most games.

[Dolly8663]

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[Richie]

Does anyone have an idea when the patch, not the expansion will be out?

[Verhängnis]

What Patch, I thought there is no more patching, and instead you buy the sequel and merge them?

[FG28_Kodiak]

Why not:


Originally Posted by luthier View Post
...
And to make sure to drive my main point across. We are still working on improving CoD. No one's abandoned it. There will be patches. ..

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=28633

[tintifaxl]

I'm with you on this one. With the amount of detailed ground vehicles and objects BoM is going to be a bonanza for ground pounding. Even the older Russian aircraft could be dangerous to ground troops. Be fun protecting either side's ground troops. Even more fun hedge hopping and strafing collumns of infantry and support vehicles in a Rata with 20mm canon and rockets.

I fear we will not see any grunts in BoM.

[csThor]

I'm with you on this one. With the amount of detailed ground vehicles and objects BoM is going to be a bonanza for ground pounding. Even the older Russian aircraft could be dangerous to ground troops. Be fun protecting either side's ground troops. Even more fun hedge hopping and strafing collumns of infantry and support vehicles in a Rata with 20mm canon and rockets.

90% of the I-16 (and all of the I-153) were ShKAS-armed versions. In 1941 the ShVAK-armed types were as rare as a win in the lottery and only from 1942 on I-16 were modified with heavier armament by the frontline units. ;)

[Richie]

Why not:


http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=28633


Wasn't there an original post by Luthier about a month and a half ago listing everything that was coming up. Sound was going to be a big part of it.

[Richie]

Here

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?p=362527#post362527

[VO101_Tom]

What Patch, I thought there is no more patching, and instead you buy the sequel and merge them?

:confused:

Luthier: "And to make sure to drive my main point across. We are still working on improving CoD. No one's abandoned it. There will be patches. My answers about things in the sequel were meant for those specific features. Please don't try to read between the lines!"

source: Friday Update, Q&A - December 23, 2011 (http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showpost.php?p=372451&postcount=1)

[albx]

So... no news about a beta patch??

[Kankkis]

So... no news about a beta patch??

Nope, very annoying.

[Feathered_IV]

There was some news. Luthier said that they expected a 50% or greater performance increase from the latest build and they were ready to test it a about a month ago with a beta to be released the following week. A week or so later he said he didn't know what sort of performance increase, if any they could expect, however testing would begin a few days hence and results would be posted that same week. Nothing was heard for some time, then information was released via sukhoi (just before Christmas) that there were major difficulties with the new build and the developers were trying to figure out what had occured. An unofficial statement via B6 and sukhoi later said that fans of Cliffs of Dover should not expect a patch any time in the near future. It was also mentioned that no new aircraft types would be added to CoD until the Moscow expansion was released.

Thats pretty much it for now. ;)

[Kankkis]

Yep and some time ago patch making was halted, no reason given, i don't know how is it now.

[Flanker35M]

S!

And do not expect much info during and after new year when Russia has it's holidays.

[Frequent_Flyer]

The Russian market is huge, considering the number of players. But the game 3-5 times more expensive in EU/US. So, I do not think that any of the market would be more important than the other, if you look at the business aspects.

I think it really matter that the Russian community is much more hostile than we are (it said Luthier), then he will choose a theme, which is closer to them. But not just them, i prefer the BoM too. I really look forward instead of bleak desert maps with LW, RAI, RAF types... again... little bored...

Although, geographically speaking the approach to Moscow is nothing exciting to look at. Historically speaking the battle took place from October 1941 thru January 1942. Much of the landscape will be snow covered for a large percentage of the conflict, very similar to desert landscape.
If we get the" dynamic weather" feature this would add some interest to both a BOM and the Med.
I am not certain why BOM was choosen next, but my guess would be it requires less development then the PTO or Med. Refering to a simple map with no shipping and the requsite Naval and supply vessels. It would be much more interesting to me to have the antishiiping missions with the Italian and LW aircraft. The ground engagments in the Med were also significant, but would require additional British and US vehicles,along with Italian, US, RAF aircraft.

[xpzorg]

Quite amusing to read the opinion of western consumers about what should be next.
I am russian consumer and I know pretty little about med conflict, it's not really interesting for me. In sukhoi all happy about choose conflict for sequel.
I just wish you to wait interesting for you conflict.;)

[Tree_UK]

Alright chaps, just returned from a rather lenghty ban for 'not learning my lesson', probably deserved, although I cant see it listed in the forum rules anywhere!! So whats been happening, should I learn my lesson and put all my trust back into Luthier and this game or is it the same old dissappointments and waiting for patches/news?

Oh and Merry Christmas one and all :grin::grin:

[ACE-OF-ACES]

So whats been happening, should I learn my lesson and put all my trust back into Luthier and this game
IMHO Yes.. See sig

[Frequent_Flyer]

Quite amusing to read the opinion of western consumers about what should be next.
I am russian consumer and I know pretty little about med conflict, it's not really interesting for me. In sukhoi all happy about choose conflict for sequel.
I just wish you to wait interesting for you conflict.;)

What was the opinion of the Russian consumer with the Battle of Britian as the first/initial ' installment " ?

[kalimba]

Alright chaps, just returned from a rather lenghty ban for 'not learning my lesson', probably deserved, although I cant see it listed in the forum rules anywhere!! So whats been happening, should I learn my lesson and put all my trust back into Luthier and this game or is it the same old dissappointments and waiting for patches/news?

Oh and Merry Christmas one and all :grin::grin:

Hey !
From one banned ;) member to another one :

"same old dissappointments and waiting for patches/news " would well describe the actual situation...

Since I am only quoting you, I presume I am on the safe side...:rolleyes:

Merry Xmas !

[xpzorg]

I know enough about this conflict and i thought it's not bad idea to start new serie of simulator.

[KG26_Alpha]

Alright chaps, just returned from a rather lenghty ban for 'not learning my lesson', probably deserved, although I cant see it listed in the forum rules anywhere!! So whats been happening, should I learn my lesson and put all my trust back into Luthier and this game or is it the same old dissappointments and waiting for patches/news?

Oh and Merry Christmas one and all :grin::grin:

Instead of trolling this thread, which is about news from another forum, use the search function and have a look around and form your own opinion rather than inciting the usual negativity in your posts.

Don't know what you were banned for but it was probably the same old stuff you spout around here as usual.

Trying spending some time reading the effort going into this sim from the Devs and the customers instead of the usual derisory comments and goading.

You can get started here.

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showpost.php?p=374016&postcount=77


Oh .........

Merry Christmas to you too :)


Hey !
From one banned ;) member to another one :

"same old dissappointments and waiting for patches/news " would well describe the actual situation...

Since I am only quoting you, I presume I am on the safe side...:rolleyes:

Merry Xmas !

Why bother taking the risk

Just to add some more negativity :rolleyes:

Same applies to you too, start reading some other stuff at this forum....

[Frequent_Flyer]

I know enough about this conflict and i thought it's not bad idea to start new serie of simulator.

After the Battle for Moscow, what conflict would you prefer as the next installment of the series?

[Tree_UK]

Instead of trolling this thread, which is about news from another forum, use the search function and have a look around and form your own opinion rather than inciting the usual negativity in your posts.

Don't know what you were banned for but it was probably the same old stuff you spout around here as usual.

Trying spending some time reading the effort going into this sim from the Devs and the customers instead of the usual derisory comments and goading.

You can get started here.

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showpost.php?p=374016&postcount=77


Oh .........

Merry Christmas to you too :)

I guess that means theres not great news about Coops then? Cheer up mate theres always the new year. :grin::grin:

[KG26_Alpha]

I guess that means theres not great news about Coops then? Cheer up mate theres always the new year. :grin::grin:

great example :rolleyes:

Luthier has said there's a CooP mode already.

He says there is .... a lot of us disagree but we presented the ideas and thoughts in the Questions and Requests thread and we have moved on.

Some of us have the ability to do that.



The New Year sees me moving in a new direction in life, looking forwards to it.



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[Chivas]

I guess that means theres not great news about Coops then? Cheer up mate theres always the new year. :grin::grin:

The good news is the developer is still working on the project, and hopefully will be for the next ten years, but I do realize your too results orientated for this to be good enough. :)

As far as coop's go I'm sill not sure why it has to be seperate from regular servers if there are enough options in one server to accomplish both needs. Exactly which features are lacking in the current setup other than bugs, and unfinished features? I'm not being sarcastic, just questioning.

[addman]

The good news is the developer is still working on the project, and hopefully will be for the next ten years, but I do realize your too results orientated for this to be good enough. :)

As far as coop's go I'm sill not sure why it has to be seperate from regular servers if there are enough options in one server to accomplish both needs. Exactly which features are lacking in the current setup other than bugs, and unfinished features? I'm not being sarcastic, just questioning.

I'm not sure coop is missing so much in terms of features more than what it misses in terms of interface or lack there of.

[KG26_Alpha]

The good news is the developer is still working on the project, and hopefully will be for the next ten years, but I do realize your too results orientated for this to be good enough. :)

As far as coop's go I'm sill not sure why it has to be seperate from regular servers if there are enough options in one server to accomplish both needs. Exactly which features are lacking in the current setup other than bugs, and unfinished features? I'm not being sarcastic, just questioning.

I'm not sure coop is missing so much in terms of features more than what it misses in terms of interface or lack there of.

Don't want to chew this over but you seem to have missed the debates.

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=28429

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showpost.php?p=372175&postcount=139


Tells self ......I must move on.............I must move on............




:)

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[xpzorg]

After the Battle for Moscow, what conflict would you prefer as the next installment of the series?

All great patriotic war 41-45:). Or war in pacific, with carriers it's interesting and i am fan of zero

[Frequent_Flyer]

All great patriotic war 41-45:). Or war in pacific, with carriers it's interesting and i am fan of zero

I think it would take a much larger team of developers to do justice to the Pacific. however it would be a welcome change.

Is there unity or a majority among Russian consumers as to where the next non " Great Patriot War " installment they would like to see.

[6BL Bird-Dog]

I would like to see Stalingrad possibly with additional maps for the the Caucasus & Crimea.
Many of the Aircraft from BoM would the cover the early period of those conflicts .

[5./JG27.Farber]

I would like to see Stalingrad possibly with additional maps for the the Caucasus & Crimea.
Many of the Aircraft from BoM would the cover the early period of those conflicts .

Smolensk... Look into that one, its good. :-P

[jimbop]

Hi BlackSix, a question for luthier: Do you have any plans to enable 6DOF vision in the bombardier's seat? Bombing without the horizontal stabilizer in the Blenheim is hard enough and 6DOF here would help a lot.

[BlackSix]

Hi BlackSix, a question for luthier: Do you have any plans to enable 6DOF vision in the bombardier's seat? Bombing without the horizontal stabilizer in the Blenheim is hard enough and 6DOF here would help a lot.

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[jimbop]

BlackSix, another for Luthier. I hope you are having a good break!

Do you plan to expand (or explain) server settings for client control? Currently a dedicated server only has the ability set netspeed and turn VAC on/off through the [Net] code but there is no options to control the clients connected. This is resulting in exploitation.

For reference, some of the relevant IL-2 settings are checkServerTimeSpeed, checkClientTimeSpeed, socksHost, checkTimeSpeedDifferense, checkTimeSpeedInterval, farMaxLagTime, nearMaxLagTime, cheaterWarningDelay, cheaterWarningNum.

[albx]

So, BlackSix, Christmas is gone, the team is back at work, can we expect some new info this weekend? or maybe a date for a beta patch?

thanks

[Ze-Jamz]

BlackSix, another for Luthier. I hope you are having a good break!

Do you plan to expand (or explain) server settings for client control? Currently a dedicated server only has the ability set netspeed and turn VAC on/off through the [Net] code but there is no options to control the clients connected. This is resulting in exploitation.

For reference, some of the relevant IL-2 settings are checkServerTimeSpeed, checkClientTimeSpeed, socksHost, checkTimeSpeedDifferense, checkTimeSpeedInterval, farMaxLagTime, nearMaxLagTime, cheaterWarningDelay, cheaterWarningNum.

This^

[Cataplasma]

So, BlackSix, Christmas is gone, the team is back at work, can we expect some new info this weekend? or maybe a date for a beta patch?

thanks

...or maybe a working sli?

[JG52Krupi]

...or maybe a working sli?

And crossfire :(

[sorak]

Or if not any of the above.. could you just pop in and tell us what kind of coffee you are drinking and how much cream / sugar ratio do you apply?

[GOZR]

No sugar with a noisette of milk .. ;)

[Kankkis]

And crossfire :(

Afterburner shows my both gpu's working, have you tryed.

[jimbop]

Afterburner shows my both gpu's working, have you tryed.

Sure, both my GTX 480s are working but I don't get a framerate increase. If I force any particular SLI mode I get bad stuttering. SLI and XFire are broken.

[BlackSix]

BlackSix, another for Luthier. I hope you are having a good break!

Do you plan to expand (or explain) server settings for client control? Currently a dedicated server only has the ability set netspeed and turn VAC on/off through the [Net] code but there is no options to control the clients connected. This is resulting in exploitation.

For reference, some of the relevant IL-2 settings are checkServerTimeSpeed, checkClientTimeSpeed, socksHost, checkTimeSpeedDifferense, checkTimeSpeedInterval, farMaxLagTime, nearMaxLagTime, cheaterWarningDelay, cheaterWarningNum.

I wrote your question

So, BlackSix, Christmas is gone, the team is back at work, can we expect some new info this weekend? or maybe a date for a beta patch?
thanks

No, I can't promise anything yet and I can't share the new information. Please wait.

[Kankkis]

Sure, both my GTX 480s are working but I don't get a framerate increase. If I force any particular SLI mode I get bad stuttering. SLI and XFire are broken.

So it's maybe scaling problem then, did your GPU's goes over 50% stress?

[jimbop]

So it's maybe scaling problem then, did your GPU's goes over 50% stress?

It does if single (max) but not if SLI. CPU is not stressed either way.

[hc_wolf]

BlackSix

When can we expect an update on how the Graphics Rework and new patch is coming along?

Could we PLEASE have a Friday update this week so Everyone has some news since the long xmas Break?????????

:)

[Verhängnis]

BlackSix

When can we expect an update on how the Graphics Rework and new patch is coming along?

Could we PLEASE have a Friday update this week so Everyone has some news since the long xmas Break?????????

:)

They have been on Holidays throughout January...

[BlackSix]

BlackSix

When can we expect an update on how the Graphics Rework and new patch is coming along?

Could we PLEASE have a Friday update this week so Everyone has some news since the long xmas Break?????????

:)

We have not worked from January 1 to January 9, in Russia was a long weekend. :confused::confused::confused:
Work began just this Tuesday. During this time, we can't generate news or update.

[JG52Krupi]

We have not worked from January 1 to January 9, in Russia was a long weekend. :confused::confused::confused:
Work began just this Tuesday. During this time, we can't generate news or update.

What!!! Who said you could have a holiday :lol:

Take it easy B6 and the rest of you guys at MG most people here know or should know what it's like returning to work after a holiday ;)

Welcome back, hope you has a good one.

[albx]

We have not worked from January 1 to January 9, in Russia was a long weekend. :confused::confused::confused:
Work began just this Tuesday. During this time, we can't generate news or update.

great... another month with nothing at all.... :-x

[Continu0]

great... another month with nothing at all.... :-x

They had holidays like every1 else...

The Update will come when it is finished..

[Verhängnis]

Well, they're off holidays now and back to work. Patience, good things come to those who wait many many many years, 2 weeks, next update. :) ;)

[albx]

Well, they're off holidays now and back to work. Patience, good things come to those who wait many many many years, 2 weeks, next update. :) ;)

don't bet on the 2 weeks... Ilya talked 2 months ago about the new graphic engine, but no video or screenshots have been posted

[hc_wolf]

We have not worked from January 1 to January 9, in Russia was a long weekend. :confused::confused::confused:
Work began just this Tuesday. During this time, we can't generate news or update.

B6 Thanks. I have no problem with you guys taking holidays. We all need them :-P

I heard the Dev team spent their holidays in the snow recreating BOB conflic out of snow and ice sculptures... or did I dream that..

Just good to now when the team started again. I know now I can expect an update on progress around late Jan.

Hope you all enjoyed your time off. :D

[JG52Uther]

thread clean up again. Note the title of this thread. If you want to whine go elsewhere.

[Klabo]

:-)

[hiro]

Let them enjoy the holiday(s).




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[Tvrdi]

Let them enjoy the holiday(s).




http://vibrantlifehcg.com/hcg-drops-diet/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/i-love-haters-you-keep-me-motivated_design.png

Whos hating dude? Relax...I gave them only facts thats all...Read Battle for Moscow thread so u can educate urself on the topic...

[Ataros]

Statistics by Small_Bee of sukhoi.ru is being alpha-tested on Repka #4 http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ru&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fr4.repka.su%2Fmembers.php

Click pilot's name and select flight ("departure") for damages details, etc. Sorry, only Google translation so far. "Glasses" = points :grin:

You can join R4 to see yourself listed.

EDIT:
Pre-alpha of a dynamic campaign add-in by Octocat published at sukhoi.ru http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=ru&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sukhoi.ru%2Fforum%2Fshowthread. php%3Ft%3D73973

Not translated link to be used for download (see end of 1st post) http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/showthread.php?t=73767&p=1762312#post1762312

Menus screenshots
http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=148699&d=1326705712
http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=148697&d=1326705707
http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=148698&d=1326705710

[hiro]

Whos hating dude? Relax...I gave them only facts thats all...Read Battle for Moscow thread so u can educate urself on the topic...

I wasn't posting about you; if I were I'd use your name or quote ya. I was just offering advice to dev team in dealing w haters when or if they start adding negativity

[Spinnetti]

the poor guys are changing the flat tire while the car is running, simple.

Best analogy I've heard yet... Its tough doing software development... More art than science really.

[Insuber]

No more fresh stuff because the moderator of Sukhoi.ru has locked the B6 thread, because of the "increasing negativity".

Cheers,
Ins

[BlackSix]

No more fresh stuff because the moderator of Sukhoi.ru has locked the B6 thread, because of the "increasing negativity".

Cheers,
Ins

This is a temporary solution, I will open a thread on Monday

[klem]

No more fresh stuff because the moderator of Sukhoi.ru has locked the B6 thread, because of the "increasing negativity".

Cheers,
Ins

"Sorry, but due to the expanding sracha (???), forced to close theme until better times. "


EDIT: Oooops, crossed B6's post

[Insuber]

This is a temporary solution, I will open a thread on Monday

Thank you BlackSix.

[ATAG_Bliss]

Hopefully we hear something "fresh" on Monday ;)

[sorak]

Best analogy I've heard yet... Its tough doing software development... More art than science really.

Really? when have you ever seen someone attempt/change a flat tire while a car is running? And if you did, would the tire ever get change?

[bongodriver]

Really? when have you ever seen someone attempt/change a flat tire while a car is running? And if you did, would the tire ever get change?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WLwRg3erm4

[julien673]

its is possible to create a new topic for each update whit the date and lock its whit the reply.... its so hard to read then along all the complain

tks

Julien

[JG52Uther]

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=29295

[jimbop]

BlackSix, will Luthier provide answers for the last set of questions? It has been a few weeks -thanks.

[335th_GRAthos]

rofl !!!!!

~s~

[BlackSix]

BlackSix, will Luthier provide answers for the last set of questions? It has been a few weeks -thanks.

Hi!
I need to collect two or three additional questions. Then I'll put in a block of answers in the next update on this or next week.

[jimbop]

Thanks BlackSix.

[Flanker35M]

S!

I asked a question, but guess it got buried in the flood of them :D IT was about the SpeedTree tech used on Cliffs Of Dover and the problems with it, like shimmering etc. I did scour thru the SpeedTree forums and there seemed to be discussions about shimmer etc. and also solutions. Has Luthier's team considered checking into this tree issue as well?

[JG52Krupi]

S!

I asked a question, but guess it got buried in the flood of them :D IT was about the SpeedTree tech used on Cliffs Of Dover and the problems with it, like shimmering etc. I did scour thru the SpeedTree forums and there seemed to be discussions about shimmer etc. and also solutions. Has Luthier's team considered checking into this tree issue as well?

I was talking to Uther about this a few days back, in November they released a new speedtree version I was wondering if they were implementing it :D

http://www.speedtree.com/

[Flanker35M]

S!

Would be great if they could update it. I remember reading on that forum that someone had similar tree leaves shimmering and it was some setting that needed to be changed and it fixed that. Was some time ago so can not remember the thread of it there. But anyways I think the newer version might be better as it seems to be oriented to many different solutions :) So fingers crossed on patch!

[5./JG27.Farber]

Will the Russian aircraft be modelled historically in terms of equipment? For example most Russian fighter aircraft (especially early war) had only a crudely painted gun sight. Radios were usually removed to save weight as the quality was poor and often they were useless. Except of course with the GIAP regiments who had access to the best aircraft and equipment.

[BlackSix]

I urgently need one more question for the list!

[jimbop]

BlackSix, how about this:

Will the next patch include FM changes? Fighters such as the spit 1a seem under modelled compared to the Hurricane rotol which seems historically close to correct. Bombers have bombsight and other bugs (e.g. at http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=29453).

[jimbop]

Or if FMs have been addressed in an earlier question then perhaps:

Have you considered a formal bug tracking system that the community can get involved in? It is difficult to tell what bugs the devs are/are not aware of at the moment since the bug threads do not get feedback.

[VO101_Tom]

BlackSix, how about this:

Will the next patch include FM changes? Fighters such as the spit 1a seem under modelled compared to the Hurricane rotol which seems historically close to correct. Bombers have bombsight and other bugs (e.g. at http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=29453).

12-23-2011, Luthier: "...It remains the same. Sped up graphics, launcher errors, improved FM, etc, all of that is in progress as previously stated..."

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showpost.php?p=372579&postcount=89

[JG52Krupi]

Will speedtree 6.0 be implemented in to il2?

[BlackSix]

Or if FMs have been addressed in an earlier question then perhaps:

Have you considered a formal bug tracking system that the community can get involved in? It is difficult to tell what bugs the devs are/are not aware of at the moment since the bug threads do not get feedback.

I'll take that question, thank you!
Errors FM - separate conversation, not for this format.

[BlackSix]

Will speedtree 6.0 be implemented in to il2?

I already have a question:
To dev team regarding the SpeedTree technology. We all know the problems with them: shimmering, LOD changes and what not. I scoured thru SpeedTree forums and saw similar issues with trees and also solutions. Add that there are new versions of it etc. So my question is that has dev team worked with SpeedTree Inc and using newer version and tools? Can anything be done with trees?

Ок?

[VO101_Tom]

Have you considered a formal bug tracking system that the community can get involved in? It is difficult to tell what bugs the devs are/are not aware of at the moment since the bug threads do not get feedback.

Yeah, that would be very useful.

[41Sqn_Banks]

Yeah, that would be very useful.

Now this is the most important question of all. Please put that on #1 in the list. A read only "known bugs" list would be enough so we can see which bugs are already reported and worked on.

[JG52Krupi]

I already have a question:
To dev team regarding the SpeedTree technology. We all know the problems with them: shimmering, LOD changes and what not. I scoured thru SpeedTree forums and saw similar issues with trees and also solutions. Add that there are new versions of it etc. So my question is that has dev team worked with SpeedTree Inc and using newer version and tools? Can anything be done with trees?

Ок?


Excellent, thanks for the quick reply.

[jimbop]

Great, thanks BlackSix.

[VO101_Tom]

Now this is the most important question of all. Please put that on #1 in the list. A read only "known bugs" list would be enough so we can see which bugs are already reported and worked on.

The huge advantage of a bug tracking system is the dialogue. The priority of each error is not my decision, but it would help if I find a problem, then I can easily see that the problem is known to the developers, maybe they already dealt with it, or will deal with it (I should know, because Resources and materials collected aren't fast work, but i gladly send them any docs, if that really help). This forum capable only for limited use, otherwise there is no feedback, and so many offtopic, it is difficult to follow.

A current list of errors maybe similar in its effects, but there is no feedback either. I remember, formerly ran Insuber's list, the "Priority Bugs & Other issues need to be hurt look into", but it is no longer "sticky" (last update 4. Jun :rolleyes:).

[Liz Lemon]

And plans to make different octane fuels an option for the plane load out?

[BlackSix]

And plans to make different octane fuels an option for the plane load out?

Ok, this is the final, 12th question.
On Friday, we try to publish the answers.

[MoGas]

Ok, this is the final, 12th question.
On Friday, we try to publish the answers.

thanks B6

[JG52Uther]

Yes, thanks B6. Looking forward to Friday!

[JG52Krupi]

Yes, thanks B6. Looking forward to Friday!

Yeah, will be nice to see the I-16 damage model.

Still waiting for that Frederick to make an appearance ;)

[Ataros]

Have you considered a formal bug tracking system that the community can get involved in? It is difficult to tell what bugs the devs are/are not aware of at the moment since the bug threads do not get feedback.

Alexandr, in case Ilya asks further questions about this issue here are more details and links about the subject.

The devs did not implement an issue tracking system yet as discussed here http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=24106

BlackSix, could you please ask Ilya if he can talk to 1cpublishing.eu admins to install such a system on this site and provide forum users rights to report and vote for bugs, issues and proposals there. Redmine (http://www.redmine.org/) and Bugzilla (http://www.bugzilla.org/) have voting capabilities and are free IIRC. This system will make life much easier for Ilya on the one hand and will prevent forgetting about not working features like COOPs on the other hand.
I hope Ilya can talk to or write a request to 1cpublishing.eu management to set up Redmine, Bugzilla or smth. else here.

[Tvrdi]

Blacksix.....ask him is there a chance to recruit "open beta testers" out of community members from this forium? More testers more bugs noticed....khm

[BlackSix]

Yeah, will be nice to see the I-16 damage model.

We prepare 5 screenshots with damage model)

Alexandr, in case Ilya asks further questions about this issue here are more details and links about the subject.

I hope Ilya can talk to or write a request to 1cpublishing.eu management to set up Redmine, Bugzilla or smth. else here.

Ок

Blacksix.....ask him is there a chance to recruit "open beta testers" out of community members from this forium? More testers more bugs noticed....khm

Why, if we publish the beta patches of open access?

[Tvrdi]

Why, if we publish the beta patches of open access?

I see. But you need guys who will pre test those betas?

[ATAG_Doc]

Blacksix.....ask him is there a chance to recruit "open beta testers" out of community members from this forium? More testers more bugs noticed....khm

You, me, we are all beta testers.

[Tvrdi]

You, me, we are all beta testers.

hah but I meant they need core testers...lets say guys who will test beta and final patches in the stages of their production, before release on forums...or they have already few ppl for that...I mean for every patch, including betas they would need ppl who will pre test it...no?

Why Im telling this? Some of us have greater knwoledge of hardware, software optimisations and tunings. Some of us hav been beta testers in other (advanced) sims....we now how and what to test....

[5./JG27.Farber]

Which maps will we see in BoM?

[BlackSix]

Which maps will we see in BoM?

The right question - "Which maps will we see in the sequel?"
This will be discussed after the announcement of the project.

[mazex]

Or if FMs have been addressed in an earlier question then perhaps:

Have you considered a formal bug tracking system that the community can get involved in? It is difficult to tell what bugs the devs are/are not aware of at the moment since the bug threads do not get feedback.

As an old developer / development manager I really like this one, the big problem is to open the tap for a whole world of people that are not used to working with bug tracking software and the processes needed to get it working. If the users are not strict in reporting bugs according to rules regarding all the information needed to file a bug correctly, and themselves so a thorough search so they don't enter a bug that has already been reported, the testing team will have to put a full time employee just to reject all bugs that are not relevant...

I participate in the beta for MS Flight, and all hell has broken loose in their bug tracking site as the same bugs are reported 10-20 times, and the quality of the bug reports is completely out of bounds. One in ten include steps to reproduce the bug, and one in 20 contain complete system specifications...
There are really not that many bugs I can find in Flight, but hundreds of bugs are reported over and over again in the same sloppy manner when new users join the beta...

As MG has very limited resources I think the only way to do this would be by a community managed bug tracking site where community moderators do the initial verification of bugs before they are sent to the development team.

But I really like the idea! :-)

Mazex

[JG52Krupi]

We prepare 5 screenshots with damage model

Cool 5 I-16 and how many shots of the Fredrick :D

;)

[5./JG27.Farber]

The Russian aircraft in IL2 1946 fb were the exact same shade of green as the trees, making it nearly impossible to spot them over a forest, this was unrealistic.

How will "the sequel" differ?

[Qpassa]

Is it expected to appear rain and heavy clouds over Brittain?

[ATAG_Dutch]

The right question - "Which maps will we see in the sequel?"
This will be discussed after the announcement of the project.

Heh. So it ain't 'Battle for Moscow' after all! :grin:

Intriguing..........!

Leningrad would be oh so good. Or better yet, 'Winter War'............

[MACADEMIC]

As an old developer / development manager I really like this one, the big problem is to open the tap for a whole world of people that are not used to working with bug tracking software and the processes needed to get it working. If the users are not strict in reporting bugs according to rules regarding all the information needed to file a bug correctly, and themselves so a thorough search so they don't enter a bug that has already been reported, the testing team will have to put a full time employee just to reject all bugs that are not relevant...

I participate in the beta for MS Flight, and all hell has broken loose in their bug tracking site as the same bugs are reported 10-20 times, and the quality of the bug reports is completely out of bounds. One in ten include steps to reproduce the bug, and one in 20 contain complete system specifications...
There are really not that many bugs I can find in Flight, but hundreds of bugs are reported over and over again in the same sloppy manner when new users join the beta...

As MG has very limited resources I think the only way to do this would be by a community managed bug tracking site where community moderators do the initial verification of bugs before they are sent to the development team.

But I really like the idea! :-)

Mazex

I'd imagine community bugtracking even more complicated than for MSFlight as most likely it would have to be in Russian and English.

MAC

[5./JG27.Farber]

ATAG Dutch

I picked up the same vibe but didnt want to cause a stir.

[Flanker35M]

S!

I really do not understand why it is so hard to create a bug report when you are given the instructions. Usually they are VERY clear and simple so even the most ADHD gimme now nerd can follow them ;) Or maybe my work in military has something to do with following orders and reading manuals ;)

[Blackdog_kt]

We have people who not only cannot stay on topic in threads (a more or less free-form discussion platform), they actually enjoy derailing them, and you expect them to file bug reports according to strict specification? :-P

We do need a bug tracking system but if anyone is going to moderate that, it's going to be a paying job i think :grin:

[ATAG_Colander]

Maybe the other way around would be a better idea...

How about making visible a bug-tracking system where the devs enter the bugs? This way the community would have a easy to search database of what has been reported already.

Now, I can understand the devs not wanting us to see what has been fixed, is pending or is being left behind so, a bug list with no "status" could do the trick (if is cleaned after each release.)

[jimbop]

Something better than the current state of affairs is required. For intance, the bugged early HE-111 bomb drop - is that a known bug or not? I have absolutely no idea if the devs even know about it...

[Ataros]

Something better than the current state of affairs is required. For intance, the bugged early HE-111 bomb drop - is that a known bug or not? I have absolutely no idea if the devs even know about it...

Exactly. I stopped reporting bugs because of this. This forum has about 5 threads with bugreports and no one has any idea if any of them are visited by the devs.

The devs do not have resources to moderate a bugtracker so it has to be a community effort if we want it. I think usual complainers will be the best moderators for the bugtracker. Critical mind is actually very valuable for this job.

[jimbop]

Agreed...

[Blackdog_kt]

I think usual complainers will be the best moderators for the bugtracker. Critical mind is actually very valuable for this job.

I agree partly, but there's another issue here. Usually the ones who complain the most are the ones who tend to focus on their specific area of interest.

So, how are we going to ensure they are fair when prioritizing bugs? For example, fine tuning the FMs is probably a bigger job than getting rid of the various controls bugs (mostly affecting bombers). If the bugtracker moderators mostly care about graphics performance and fighters, will we have to wait until SLI and all fighter FMs are fixed to see a working gyrocompass in the Ju88?

So, to ensure impartiality, i think it would be best to divide the bug tracker into separate sections:
AI
FM
DM
Controls
etc

and then let the developers prioritize themselves among the stuff they see on the list.

Another thing i've seen is that usually the people who complain the loudest don't have the time or inclination to do some legwork, so i doubt many would volunteer to moderate a bug tracker.

I've seen countless such cases where they don't even want to follow existing workarounds to improve their gameplay experience, simply because "i shouldn't have to do this, it should just work on its own". To each his own and i'm not blaming them, we all have real lives, work, families, etc and we don't all have the same amount of time to spend on this hobby.

All i'm saying is that people who don't display an inclination to offer something to the community by investing some of their personal time are a poor choice for managing such a resource.

[Feathered_IV]

The single player experience in Cliffs of Dover has received much criticism since the game's release. What improvements are planned for Battle of Moscow?

[Chivas]

Most game play fixes should apply to both sims using the same game, but I suppose some could be theater exclusive, but I can't think of any at the moment.

[Ataros]

So, how are we going to ensure they are fair when prioritizing bugs?

Systems like Bugzilla, Redmine and others have a voting system so everyone registered will be able to vote. Of cause developers will make their own decisions on priorities based on vote results.

As Luthier answered they have no resources to run a bugtracker but a community one would be useful to them I hope someone who has a server and knows anything about hosting can step in and set up such a system. I hope it can be some squad or community that is strong enough in CloD and has web resources and enough people to get it started. Any ideas?

PS. Sample of how Redmine is used https://dev-heaven.net/issues Votes on the right hand side.

[jimbop]

You could suggest it at ATAG. They certainly have the server for it and may not mind hosting if someone (or two or three) volunteered.

[Feathered_IV]

Another question: Is the game's code so written to allow third-party content to be easily installed - either commercial or freeware. Are there plans for this in the future, what groundwork would need to be in place and how do you think it would effect the longevity of the series?

*Edited to make it clear that my question is about installation, not creation of third party content.

[Flanker35M]

S!

I think that boils down to the SDK when released Feathered..We will see :)

[Liz Lemon]

Why not have a bug tracker on google pages? It'd be free and would allow issues to be up or down voted by the community, and would allow people to edit and expand the description of the issues.

Example http://code.google.com/p/dolphin-emu/issues/list

[Ataros]

Why not have a bug tracker on google pages? It'd be free and would allow issues to be up or down voted by the community, and would allow people to edit and expand the description of the issues.

Example http://code.google.com/p/dolphin-emu/issues/list

Isn't it for non-for-profit projects only? I was told so in another thread.

[Flanker35M]

S!

And would devs have the resources to dedicate people for tracking it all is another question. It seems the team is more than occupied now with CoD and BoM + the patch etc.

[Ataros]

S!

And would devs have the resources to dedicate people for tracking it all is another question. It seems the team is more than occupied now with CoD and BoM + the patch etc.

Luthier gave indication that he likes the idea. I think it will save him time if he reads a bugtracker instead of browsing forum.


5. Have you considered a formal bug tracking system that the community can get involved in? It is difficult to tell what bugs the devs are/are not aware of at the moment since the bug threads do not get feedback.
Sorry, we have no technical capabilities to set up a public database, or resources to maintain and update it.
A community-run database however would not be a terrible thing at all!

[mazex]

OK, snooped this answer by BlackSix on sukhoi.ru today answering if there eventually could be a patch tomorrow (?)

Google translate gibberish:
Patch on Friday there will be no update, we are preparing for a completely different subject, no less important and interesting.

Original:
Патча в пятницу не будет, апдейт мы готовим по совершенно другой тематике, не менее важной и интересной.

link: http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/showthread.php?t=73239&p=1788513&viewfull=1#post1788513

EDIT: Sounds interesting ;) No less important and interesting (than a patch or news about the patch)...

[Majo]

Could it be...

"There will be no Friday update."

Grammar devil´s creation.

Salutes.

[louisv]

Russian or Hungarian...same problem:razz:

http://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=monty%20python%20hungarian%20phrasebook&source=web&cd=3&sqi=2&ved=0CDkQtwIwAg&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3Dakb flkF_1zY&ei=rEY0T5zjLYXy0gGQtuTJAg&usg=AFQjCNH41dJFPqocGdIg4pkzJpVQbHFkig

[Walrus1]

Could it be...

"There will be no Friday update."

Grammar devil´s creation.

Salutes.

Here are my translation results:

"There will not be a patch on Friday, we prepare for a update on quite different subjects, not less important and interesting."

What could be more important/interesting than a patch? Sounds promising...

[kestrel79]

I think he's referring to the "new video of an unexpected feature." I can't wait to see what it is!

[machoo]

Here are my translation results:

"There will not be a patch on Friday, we prepare for a update on quite different subjects, not less important and interesting."

What could be more important/interesting than a patch? Sounds promising...



SDK I would assume.

[jimbop]

Isn't it for non-for-profit projects only? I was told so in another thread.

It is for open source projects only. http://code.google.com/p/support/wiki/FAQ

There are free redmine and bugzilla hosts available (ad supported) but paid would likely be more reliable.

[BlackSix]

The update will be in the evening. Probably late in the evening.
Maybe we don't have time to do everything and move to the next week.
It was a very difficult week.

[NSU]

The update will be in the evening. Probably late in the evening.
Maybe we don't have time to do everything and move to the next week.
It was a very difficult week.


"move to the next week" i hope not :(

i will see the video footage of an unexpected new feature :)

[Ataros]

Here are my translation results:

"There will not be a patch on Friday, we prepare for a update on quite different subjects, not less important and interesting."

What could be more important/interesting than a patch? Sounds promising...

"What could be more important/interesting than a patch?" - Not "than a patch" but "than an update on another matter asked by forum user". The user was asking about the patch AND about update about some particular thing he is interested in (FPS low above London).

It is important to translate a question as well to understand an answer often.

[jimbop]

Blacksix, here is the video describing the bombardier's seat viewing problem. Just need to be able to move your head in limited x-axis and y-axis rather than fixed. At the moment you cannot see around obstacles in the pit.

This is annotated so please use desktop browser instead of mobile.

Edit: sorry, no translation for annotations on youtube I think.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwqqBXO1l9A

[mazex]

The update will be in the evening. Probably late in the evening.
Maybe we don't have time to do everything and move to the next week.
It was a very difficult week.

Postpone the update until Monday then right now and get home for a Friday beer instead if you are done before the evening is over.

If you just post that it's postponed here all the F5 jockeys can have their Friday beer too instead of waiting in vain ;)

Mazex

[Insuber]

The update will be in the evening. Probably late in the evening.
Maybe we don't have time to do everything and move to the next week.
It was a very difficult week.

Luthier is giving you boys a difficult time, right ? :) I suggest to skip one week, maybe 2 ...

[banned]

The update will be in the evening. Probably late in the evening.
Maybe we don't have time to do everything and move to the next week.
It was a very difficult week.
Shock Horror

[BlackSix]

We decided to split into two parts a surprise. So will update in a few minutes.

[Flanker35M]

S!

Sounds good :)

[JG52Uther]

F5 f5 f5 f5 f5 f5
;)

[Flanker35M]

S!

Uther, tapping F5 is so yesterday, use a macro :D

[BlackSix]

Friday Update, February 10, 2012
http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=29662

[Insuber]

Interesting answers from Sukhoi (Feb 9th):

Question:
As for the I-16th. One feels that tried. But without the effects tesalyatsii and shader model 5.0 graphics visibility damages will not be up to date. Pay attention to the developers of this nuance. As many know, came out ATI cards 7970 and 7950. These cards with a maximum tesalyatsiey not cause the fall of fps-a - 0%. ATI right screen shows the type of land with a bird's-eye view of the old and the new chip. On the new 50% more detail. And NVIDIA will soon go GTX-series with the same capabilities. I am writing this to happen again the story of the WT.

BlackSix:
On the support of these technologies makes sense to think in 1.5-2 years, when they become truly massive (and thus really useful), we can not spend a lot of resources for 5-10% of the audience who have bought new cards this year. Simulation is not 3-D shooters and similar features will have a minimal effect in terms of marketing advantages over competitors. And the competition this year expected to be very serious, should go to three games on WWII aviation theme (WoWP, WoP, DCS: P-51), and will need to focus on other things entirely. First of all, it correction of fundamental errors WT, and then complete the team switching to a new project.


Question:
Alexander, if possible, please ask a programmer to cover at least two words of the cache value of shaders in the game, which is created in the documents of users. The question arose because of another new drum on repairing the launcher on missions. Does clearing the cache helps somehow, or is it only visible effect? And why, if the aid is no line in conf.ini ClearCache, with values ​​0 or 1, the first type of Elah?


BlackSix:
This cache are compiled shaders are recompiled when changing graphics settings and the release of new patches. When a new patch to clean the cache automatically, so the lines in the config file is not needed. If you change the settings, in principle, be clean, but it is not necessary. As for the "diamond" - the only option when such treatment would help - if you were following the old shaders, for example, the beta patch and for whatever reason, the game itself is not able to remove them, and there is a conflict that is the cure - just one time clean up this folder, regular cleaning, if not change graphics settings are not necessary - it will only slow the first start of the game, when the shader is just compiling.

[335th_GRAthos]

Thanks Insuber!

I did not grasp that first item: There will be a patch on Friday or there will be no patch ???

Ahahahahahaha! You cheated!!!!! R.O.F.L. !!!!


~S~

[jimbop]

There will not be a patch, nor will there be any information on it is my understanding. :(

[Insuber]

Thanks Insuber!

I did not grasp that first item: There will be a patch on Friday or there will be no patch ???

Ahahahahahaha! You cheated!!!!! R.O.F.L. !!!!


~S~

Yes apologies, it was relevant to the last friday so I deleted it ... :-)

[Insuber]

There will not be a patch, nor will there be any information on it is my understanding. :(

Apologies, this message was dated 9/02 i.e. before the last update, hence I deleted this portion of the post. Ignore it.

Cheers,
Insuber

[jimbop]

Hope springs eternal!

[Damixu]

So let me illustrate some aspects on software development and patching schedules uncertainity.

Pretty much all software on this scale are so complex piece of moving parts so guestimating probable release version date of next version is like saying we will go to the Mars but we are still working on the rockets.

So the moral of the story is, that demaning estimates of patch dates are inherently ridiculous and pointless. The patch will come the date it will be finalized, not a day sooner, nor later!

[GF_Mastiff]

the way things look my guestamation is middle March for Beta patch.

[Insuber]

So let me illustrate some aspects on software development and patching schedules uncertainity.

Pretty much all software on this scale are so complex piece of moving parts so guestimating probable release version date of next version is like saying we will go to the Mars but we are still working on the rockets.

So the moral of the story is, that demaning estimates of patch dates are inherently ridiculous and pointless. The patch will come the date it will be finalized, not a day sooner, nor later!

OK OK we understand it perfectly, it's old news. Now, seriously ... when will the patch be released???? :-D

[vranac]

This is what luthier said about patch on sukhoi few days ago,
where the first line is about screenshots of village:

luthier wrote:
So we try very hard to make it more habitable, believable landscape.

With the patch, the main task - graphics - is almost ready, but, as always, for three days on this part of it, two on the other, five on this one.
The problems were only with decals yes sprite transparencies, until we solve then collect,then verify. When - well, not next week for sure.

С патчем, основная задача - графика - почти готова, но, как всегда, три дня на эту часть ее, два на ту, пять на эту.
Проблемы остались только с декалями да прозрачкой да спрайтами, пока решим, пока соберем, пока проверим - ну не на следующей неделе точно.

Someone asked (in panic :grin: :
" Oh! Very alarmed - until we solve :shock: That is, the solution is not found?"

luthier wrote:

The solution is obvious, just to be put into practice.

Translation is from google.

[Tvrdi]

This is what luthier said about patch on sukhoi few days ago,
where the first line is about screenshots of village:



Someone asked (in panic :grin: :
" Oh! Very alarmed - until we solve :shock: That is, the solution is not found?"



Translation is from google.

hvala stari

[JG52Krupi]

So we can expect a beta but not today...

http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?act=url&hl=en&ie=UTF8&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/showthread.php%3Ft%3D74568%26page%3D18&usg=ALkJrhg0PmB3ASoCq8Snwu_BON61ttgC5w

[MoGas]

So we can expect a beta but not today...

http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?act=url&hl=en&ie=UTF8&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/showthread.php%3Ft%3D74568%26page%3D18&usg=ALkJrhg0PmB3ASoCq8Snwu_BON61ttgC5w

hoping soon....

[Insuber]

The patch shouldn't be so far away from our PC's. However, even if the beta will come out soon, we can expect a longer testing due to the huge amount of new code.

Cross fingers and best luck to Ilya and crew !!!!!!!! After 4.5 years of the banana forum life, I need a serious flight sim electroshock to come back to life! :-)

[Feathered_IV]

"Today the wait?"
"No, unless there is something incredible."

:confused:

[BlackSix]

"Today the wait?"
"No, unless there is something incredible."

:confused:
This means that the output of the patch today - is an incredible event

[Tvrdi]

This means that the output of the patch today - is an incredible event

Blacksix, you just said it will be today, you know that?

[JG52Krupi]

This means that the output of the patch today - is an incredible event

So is today going to be incredible B6?

;)

[furbs]

Blacksix, If the patch is looking quite close...a week or 2 maybe, can you tell us if the memleak crash has been fixed?

Do you know if FSAA has been added yet?

[BlackSix]

Blacksix, you just said it will be today, you know that?

So is today going to be incredible B6?

;)

I did not understand your jokes in English, I find it hard to read the forum.

Blacksix, If the patch is looking quite close...a week or 2 maybe, can you tell us if the memleak crash has been fixed?

Do you know if FSAA has been added yet?

It's not my job, I don't know. Ilya might have something to tell you in Friday update or in the readme

[SlipBall]

A Wednesday, that would be amazing:)

[Tvrdi]

It's not my job, I don't know. Ilya might have something to tell you in Friday update or in the readme

So the patch will be on Friday...maybe....

[Feathered_IV]

Sounds like he is saying that the patch is more or less complete, unless some unexpected bug, Luthiers "last minute axe" is discovered. Is that right?

[Feuerfalke]

2 Weeks - be sure.

[NLS61]

It's not my job, I don't know. Ilya might have something to tell you in Friday update or in the readme

Now im searching for the "readme";)

[Skoshi Tiger]

I did not understand your jokes in English, I find it hard to read the forum.


Don't wory B6! Even for a native English speaker their joke is not funny. They just haven't got anything better to do with their time.

Keep up the good work and pass on our regards to the development team. We hope is all going well and are looking forward to reading future updates.


Thanks!

[JG52Krupi]

Don't wory B6! Even for a native English speaker their joke is not funny.

You might be a native English speaker but your also Australian and are still clearly butthurt over the ashes :P either that or you don't get the joke because it wasn't in fact meant to be one ;)

[Tvrdi]

Don't wory B6! Even for a native English speaker their joke is not funny. They just haven't got anything better to do with their time.

Keep up the good work and pass on our regards to the development team. We hope is all going well and are looking forward to reading future updates.


Thanks!

We werent joking mate. Relax. Just, hes english was hard to understand and what he typed looked like patch is ready.
Blacksix, thanks mate.

[bw_wolverine]

As we get closer and closer to a patch release, I'd like to maybe state the obvious which isn't so obvious:

The patch, when it is released, will be a BETA patch and as such there may still be problems.

Please please please keep that in mind when we get whatever it is we get for a patch. In my head I'm already seeing people complaining that "yeah, the graphics are faster, but the roundels flicker! You suck!"

Just say no to negativity. It helps no one. Say yes to constructive reporting. ('Roundels flickering on player flown Spitfire and Hurricane, but not on AI planes').

[Ploughman]

I think Luthier said that once they ran the patch with the last minute bug fixed they'd post the results and they anticipated doing that before this Friday. So, given what B6 has said that day may well be today.

Incredible.

"Graphics-wise, we’re dealing with a last-minute issue as we speak. We rather unexpectedly found a problem with our aircraft decals, i.e. the code that places crosses and roundels and chevrons etc on top of the aircraft paintscheme. The code is being rewritten, the work should be finished in about 2 days. Once it’s done we can take much more accurate benchmarks. We’ll post then when we have them."
Luthier, 17th Feb.

[Flanker35M]

S!

Good news. And BETA = report bugs and quit whining :)

[Steuben]

and until the patch is coming lets watch a video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=vZ5sTmFFcHk#!

[Jaws2002]

Don't rush it.....I won't be home for another two days.:mrgreen:


Now I'll run like hell before the mob catches me.:mrgreen:

[bisher]

Don't rush it.....I won't be home for another two days.:mrgreen:


Now I'll run like hell before the mob catches me.:mrgreen:

Get 'im boys!

[ATAG_Doc]

Jawzzy you are AOWL? Your bomber awaits you.

[Jaws2002]

Jawzzy you are AOWL? Your bomber awaits you.

Thye made me work to pay for all those bombers I crashed, so it will be a while until they trust me with another Ju88. :-|:-P

[Skoshi Tiger]

You might be a native English speaker but your also Australian and are still clearly butthurt over the ashes :P either that or you don't get the joke because it wasn't in fact meant to be one ;)

We werent joking mate. Relax. Just, hes english was hard to understand and what he typed looked like patch is ready.
Blacksix, thanks mate.

Ah! So you guy's actually intended to bait our only consistant means of getting updates from the development team? Sorry for giving you the benefit of the doubt!

Choice actions guy's! Thanks for raising the tone of the forum!

Regarding the Ashes! I will let history speak for it's self!

Ashes match results from wikipedia

From 1882 to the 5th Test of the 2010-11 series
Matches won by Australia 123
Matches won by England 100
Matches drawn 87

Wasn't it something like 24 years since England won the series on Australian soil? :P

[banned]

Ah! So what you guy's actually intended to bait our only consistant means of getting updates from the development team? Sorry for giving you the benifit of the doubt!

Choice actions guy's! Thanks for raising the tone of the forum!

Regarding the Ashes! I will let history speak for it's self!

Ashes match results from wikipedia

From 1882 to the 5th Test of the 2010-11 series
Matches won by Australia 123
Matches won by England 100
Matches drawn 87

Wasn't it something like 24 years since England won the series on Australian soil? :P
Not a bad result mate when you consider how many people the poms have on their little island compared to our patch of land. Oops, sorry, didn't mean to say patch.

[Feathered_IV]

Nobody tried to bait B6. As said earlier, the sukhoi' message got babelfished in such a way that it read like the patch was imminent. We asked if that was the case. Nobody made a joke.

[ATAG_Dutch]

Well I laughed, whether it was or not. ;)

[Skoshi Tiger]

Nobody tried to bait B6. As said earlier, the sukhoi' message got babelfished in such a way that it read like the patch was imminent. We asked if that was the case. Nobody made a joke.

Ok! No Problems!

[FS~Phat]

I can't wait for a patch either but I wouldn't hold your breath for Friday, these things always have a way of taking longer than you want them too! It's great news that they are getting closer though!! So don't kill the messenger on Friday if the patch doesn't show up! It's just great to hear what challenges they are dealing with so we get a sense for what we can look forward to and why there are delays.

Keep up the good work devs! :cool:

[Tvrdi]

Just realized, tomorrow is...friiidaaay, friiidaaay


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPI6g_XG7ck

[BH_woodstock]

any clue on "when" we will see this patch?

[banned]

any clue on "when" we will see this patch?
In two weeks mate. It's Friday in Australia so we will find out first :)

[Verhängnis]

22 Hours to Go! ;)

[JG52Uther]

There should be an update tomorrow but I don't personally expect to see a patch just yet.

[Insuber]

I was wondering if we can have a Thursday preview of the Friday update of the upcoming patch ... :-D

[Verhängnis]

I was wondering if we can have a Thursday preview of the Friday update of the upcoming patch ... :-D

But then we would just be dissapointed in the Friday post because we don't get what was in the preview on Thursday.

[ATAG_Doc]

Sure is a lot of wild speculation that what is said means a patch will be released tomorrow. I think an update is likely and necessary. But the patch will be released when it is released and not a second before. The time and date of its release are the developers choice and their choice alone. They may even have a deadline. But if it isn't ready. It wont be released even if they stated at an earlier date that it would be ready tomorrow.

[Insuber]

But the patch will be released when it is released and not a second before.

Neither a second later, I hope. But I'm an optimist as always ... :-)

[bisher]

So let me get this straight. The patch will be released when it's released, and not before. ;)

[RazzyMan]

LOL ! ! !

But seriously, I was told there might be a small bit released before the big bit.

[OutlawBlues]

Is this a Beta patch? Dosen't that mean in process of testing? So when does it matter when it's released? Release it, and let the testing begin.

[jamesdietz]

So let me get this straight. The patch will be released when it's released, and not before. ;)

Maybe...........................

[Feathered_IV]

Ah for the good old days where they'd put the pre release patch on their server without a password. Then word would get out and said server would collapse under the weight of downloads.

[Buchon]

I´ll not ride the Hype and wait for a beta? patch.

I expect a report of the progress and guess that if there a video of the new features it would be great :)

[machoo]

I see the poll thread about when the patch might come out has been deleted. I guess that means it'll be a long wait.....

[Dano]

I see the poll thread about when the patch might come out has been deleted. I guess that means it'll be a long wait.....

It didn't get deleted, it got merged into it's rightful place in the crystal ball thread.

[ElAurens]

The only patch that matters is the OFFICIAL RELEASE.

So I have quite a long wait. And I'm not plussed by it in the least.

ME 3 will soon be taking most of my gaming time.

[sg1221]

You guys think it's bad , heck I'm 60 so I probably won't live to see
the final product :shock:.......:)

sg

[ElAurens]

Not far behind you sg.

:cool:

[Rjel]

Ah for the good old days where they'd put the pre release patch on their server without a password. Then word would get out and said server would collapse under the weight of downloads.

No joke there. Was there ever a single beta patch that didn't get leaked? I think it was part of the master plan by Oleg. Either that or the people he trusted with patches were the most untrustworthy people on the net.

[BlackSix]

Today we plan to show the third part of the video with a controlled ground vehicles. Development of a beta patch for the final stage.

[banned]

Today we plan to show the third part of the video with a controlled ground vehicles. Development of a beta patch for the final stage.
I knew it.
At least I don't have to stay up. I can go to bed early.

[albx]

so no beta today right? many will be disappointed...

[Flanker35M]

S!

Why dissapointed? Luthier & Team never promised beta would come today :rolleyes: We will get an update which is good, mucho better than nothing :)

[Feuerfalke]

We will get an update which is good

Based on what information?

They didn't say what's in either.

No date, no patch.

No info what's inside,.... go figure.

[Flanker35M]

S!

Well, it seems, while reading recent posts and updates from devs, that the graphics update is coming first at some point(now in final stages?) followed by the FM/DM/whatever.

[albx]

S!

Why dissapointed? Luthier & Team never promised beta would come today :rolleyes: We will get an update which is good, mucho better than nothing :)

well, I'm, cause I really don't care to drive a vehicle in CoD, if I wanted do it I played Battlefield or something like that. What I wanted was a video showing the beta patch or some sort of benchmark...

[banned]

well, I'm, cause I really don't care to drive a vehicle in CoD, if I wanted do it I played Battlefield or something like that. What I wanted was a video showing the beta patch or some sort of benchmark...
That'll be in two weeks

[5./JG27 Lehmann]

That'll be in two weeks

Now now, that's how rumours start :)

[Insuber]

Today we plan to show the third part of the video with a controlled ground vehicles. Development of a beta patch for the final stage.

Thank you very much BlackSix. You're efficient and kind as always. I appreciate your work.

Cheers,
Ins

[15.Span_Valalo]

Please BS... launch the move now and patch... I have great impatience...
And SLI, and other bugs, Will be solved the problem?

thks S! all.

[JG52Krupi]

Today we plan to show the third part of the video with a controlled ground vehicles. Development of a beta patch for the final stage.

Thanks B6.

To anyone who is surprised by this we were told we would be getting a three part video so it can't really come as a shock that on the third Friday were getting the third part ;)

Hoping to see the beta patch readme at least though :D

[Majo]

Thank you BS for the information.

I am not sure about the benefit of insisting so much in "the controlled ground vehicles" feature.

I really think "the controlled ground vehicles" is not what the community is waiting for and in some ways is stressing the string.

I know we all have different priorities and sensibilities about what is important for CloD, but I really feel this is not one of them.

I have the perception that the “sequel” argument had a longer path to travel and also some positive message within.
Still disappointing, in some way, because with all certainty enforces the idea that “you are not going to get what you expect
as soon as you want…” but with some kind of hope like… “Someday, somehow, if we are still here, things will get better”.

Salutes,

[kristorf]

Thank you BS for the information.

I am not sure about the benefit of insisting so much in "the controlled ground vehicles" feature.

I really think "the controlled ground vehicles" is not what the community is waiting for and in some ways is stressing the string.

I know we all have different priorities and sensibilities about what is important for CloD, but I really feel this is not one of them.

I have the perception that the “sequel” argument had a longer path to travel and also some positive message within.
Still disappointing, in some way, because with all certainty enforces the idea that “you are not going to get what you expect
as soon as you want…” but with some kind of hope like… “Someday, somehow, if we are still here, things will get better”.

Salutes,

Afraid to say I have to agree, its all a 'definate maybe'

[Feathered_IV]

Quite right. What we are looking for is progress that will make the game enjoyable for us now. Not features that we might look forward to this time next year. In view of that, may I respectfully ask how the optimisation is progressing and what progress we have seen this week?

[JG52Uther]

Fresh stuff from sukhoi.ru
Note thread title.

[Red Dragon-DK]

Thanks Uther and B6 for the infor

[150GCT_Veltro]

A nice addition about "cars and trucks" would be the possibility to drive the vehicle to your aircraft (a sort of FPS addition like in BF3). This would be really a new feature for a flightsim.

[5./JG27 Lehmann]

A nice addition about "cars and trucks" would be the possibility to drive the vehicle to your aircraft (a sort of FPS addition like in BF3). This would be really a new feature for a flightsim.

In the 2nd video you see a sportscar drive up to a spitfire then the view switches to inside the plane and it takes off. I think this could be a hint at such a feature?