IL2 and Sound Modding

[crazyivan1970]

Oh yea... and let me remind you for 1000s time... those who think that they know how to mod IL-2 need to stop kidding themselves and others. Modding requires tools and knowledge... everything else is hacking - end of story

[Baron]

Originally Posted by csThor

That would contradict everything he said across the year.

Well, ever thought of the possibility that Oleg doesnt tell us everything?


If it where me i would have left IL2 alone after the last announced pach untill after BoB was released and THEN sell the rights to 3:rd party modders (with olegs aproval on sertain things) thus having the 2 best flightssims on the market at the same time.

But thats just me.


Instead he most likely have a soon to be dead IL2 BEFORE BoB comes out and when BoB gets out..everything hinges on that sim`s success

[GOZR]

Yvan this is a very interesting point.. Now lets see just something like just the canopy of the FW-190 A8.. This has been asked before in many occasions..






This is imo a much correct model then the original with the Canopy of the A9..

What i see that there is a lot of little things that are not very good in the mod / hack and others that are good , I have many arguments with a certain famous guy at SIMHQ that make maps and I can tell you that some hackers/moder are making already "better" work with out really the good tools than this simqh's person with tools. I don't know why .... well... hum.. lets not go there..

Now lets take a look at some new textures.. not bad isn't it..

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The best like i said before would be to be able to close compile some of this.. I don't think il2 is dead but it's becoming more like BOB2 until some of this get compiled
yes there are many guys that they don't know much about some things i agree with you Yvan but also il2 can and could of be so much better by far....
It is very hard to change very but now lets face it the Third party now have to make things even much better and maybe take some samples of mister Joe-Smock's hack model or ideas.
I agree that it's not good to post links but images that maybe those new third party will take in concideration.. like the A8..? i do..

I do not use il2 no more I do my own stuff.

[jasonbirder]

1) Believe it or not.. 1946 still sells, but i am sure that will stop soon, if not already (who wants to buy hacked sim - raise your hands!)
2) Pulling progamming lead off SOW development - That`s not free either...
3) And possible sale of IL-2 to third party as already mentioned....

1) What? Apart from LOMAC eh? Or what about the people desperately trying to find out where to purchase copies of the original EECH once they have seen how much better the modded EECH was than the newly released EECH2. What about Falcon 4? The newest version Falcon 4 Allied Force is based upon the hacked/modded Superpak version - and has been further extensively modded with the "Red Falcon" Mod. What about all the CFS3 nay-sayers who have been purcchasing copies so they can try out the Over Flanders Fields and Mediterranean Air Wars Mods? Or taking it one step further what about the popularity of THe Wings over Europe/Wings over Vietnam etc - all completely moddable?
I guess some "hacked" sims do sell after all...

2) Oleg stated categorically there would be no further resources devoted to 4.09 - thats why the code encryption is not being re-worked, no programming resouces whatsoever have been diverted from BOB-SOW

3) Oleg has stated categorically that he would not licence IL2 for development by third parties

[DerAlte]

Wow..........alot has happened since I last posted here!

I can understand both sides of the issue. What I do see is a very, very vocal MINORITY, who is worried about what this mod does to online play. Did not Oleg Maddox once say that the MAJORITY of sales of this game is to offline players? If you fly regularly with people you know, what is the problem? It is always a hit or miss afair when you fly on public servers.

Lets see what "whining" from the online crowd has added to this game;

1. Bombs a torpedos that do NO damage after the pilot is killed..... "Oleg, he may use a Kamakaze attack to sink my carrier!" Very, very realistic.......NOT !

2. The LW 30mm boomstick......I seem to remember a post from Oleg a fews years back were he admitted that the ROF for the weapon is too high, but he would not change it for fear of the whines that would happen.

3. No cockpit.............. nuff said, VERY REAL!!

4. Icons............again, nuff said.

Those are to top 4 that I can think of. Yes, I know, items 3 and 4 can be shut off. But then again, 99.9% of the Onwhine(tm) players would not fly.

I heard to other day at the local Media Markt (tm), 2 young guys talking about the mods, both told me that they have BOUGHT the game because of some, not all of the mods that they have seen. The group they play online and at LANS with have decided to get away from the FPS and give a try at this game. One main factor in now buying the game (other than it costs now only 15 Euro), was what this mod has (in their opinion) brought to the game.

BOTH sides have justified beefs for and against what is now happening to the game. What is very sad, is that some people just see ONLY one side of the coin. Very sad indeed.

The old " I am right , you is wrong" attitude. And honestly, it is getting a little sick now. People who I have read posts from and who I thought were smart and upstanding members of the community have turned out to be rather stubborn in their views.

BTW, I have 2 setups, plain vanilla and banna-fudge-walnut sundae version of the game. One for onwhine(tm) and one for offline.

I think some should take a chill-pill and let history run it's course (were as, ALL online games will someday be hacked/modded).


DerAlte

[Rama]

Gozr bragging.....
as usual as on some other forums with Gozr - lots of bragging - and a big nothing coming out of it...

[Thrud]

1) Believe it or not.. 1946 still sells, but i am sure that will stop soon, if not already (who wants to buy hacked sim - raise your hands!)

who want's to buy a sim that they can now fly, fight, and bomb with the heavies which they couldn't before? - raise your hands!


i love PBY's, the only way i can fly one is if someone releases it as an addon. when that happens, i buy FSX (for the game engine) and then i get the PBY.

i see this example applying here. Many that want to fly the heavies will now have an excuse to go out and buy IL46 so they can fly them with thier buddies.

[stalkervision]

Originally Posted by DerAlte

Wow..........alot has happened since I last posted here!

I can understand both sides of the issue. What I do see is a very, very vocal MINORITY, who is worried about what this mod does to online play. Did not Oleg Maddox once say that the MAJORITY of sales of this game is to offline players? If you fly regularly with people you know, what is the problem? It is always a hit or miss afair when you fly on public servers.

Lets see what "whining" from the online crowd has added to this game;

1. Bombs a torpedos that do NO damage after the pilot is killed..... "Oleg, he may use a Kamakaze attack to sink my carrier!" Very, very realistic.......NOT !

2. The LW 30mm boomstick......I seem to remember a post from Oleg a fews years back were he admitted that the ROF for the weapon is too high, but he would not change it for fear of the whines that would happen.

3. No cockpit.............. nuff said, VERY REAL!!

4. Icons............again, nuff said.

Those are to top 4 that I can think of. Yes, I know, items 3 and 4 can be shut off. But then again, 99.9% of the Onwhine(tm) players would not fly.

I heard to other day at the local Media Markt (tm), 2 young guys talking about the mods, both told me that they have BOUGHT the game because of some, not all of the mods that they have seen. The group they play online and at LANS with have decided to get away from the FPS and give a try at this game. One main factor in now buying the game (other than it costs now only 15 Euro), was what this mod has (in their opinion) brought to the game.

BOTH sides have justified beefs for and against what is now happening to the game. What is very sad, is that some people just see ONLY one side of the coin. Very sad indeed.

The old " I am right , you is wrong" attitude. And honestly, it is getting a little sick now. People who I have read posts from and who I thought were smart and upstanding members of the community have turned out to be rather stubborn in their views.

BTW, I have 2 setups, plain vanilla and banna-fudge-walnut sundae version of the game. One for onwhine(tm) and one for offline.

I think some should take a chill-pill and let history run it's course (were as, ALL online games will someday be hacked/modded).


DerAlte

excellent post.....two versions HUH? SMART!

[GOZR]

Same with you RAMA.. a problem? PM me..

[JG52Uther]

Originally Posted by crazyivan1970

Allow me to answer that one for you Uhter...

1) Believe it or not.. 1946 still sells, but i am sure that will stop soon, if not already (who wants to buy hacked sim - raise your hands!)
2) Pulling progamming lead off SOW development - That`s not free either...
3) And possible sale of IL-2 to third party as already mentioned....


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Does this answer make sense Uther?

No.Where I live sturmo 46 is available freely in the bargain bins.People I know are buying it BECAUSE of the new flyables.
If Oleg has pulled his programming lead off of SoW work to fix 4.09 then that would be interesting news as Oleg has already said he does not have time to fix it.
Last I heard Oleg was not going to release the code to 3rd parties.Obviously you have much more info than we do Ivan,so we must be all wrong and you right.