IL2 and Sound Modding

[Billfish]

Welp, think I'm done with my probing to get answers as to intentions and the like....So many of the responses absolutly clear, yet one hopes that out of all the evasion and doubletalk some promise will show through....

Fact of the matter is the mods/hacks at this point are clearly a Frankenstein's Monster. Good intentions my guess the original reason, yet in short order the requests by many for something beyond good intent and fair play were responded to with zeal. My guess is the adoration, feeling of power and so on took it to where it is and clearly going......So in the end, as it is already, something that proves out to not be trusted and dangerous to those who hold the sim dear.

Oleg & his team created, and though flawed and lacking in some regards remained trustworthy.....The hacks and their clear direction now simply corruption of that which was pure.

Thankfully also telling much of the players, modders or anti......Inner selves revealed. Trust & respect now able to be correctly applied.......Pity, I had hoped efforts would of been made seeing reason that would of allowed a good solid and equitable resolution for both sides of this issue. Clearly the fears of one now justified by the other.

[stalkervision]

Originally Posted by Billfish

Well, it has become abundantly clear the end goal regarding these hacks for some is to "level their playing field".....Though in truth gain a bit of an edge. Justifying something giving one an advantage because "bob has more money then I, therefor possibly better equipment, therefor I can do "X" as it brings me to par" is a poor reason/excuse.

SV/ How so? you give no reason whatsoever for that opinion, you just ask us to accept this nonsense as is. No, I just put these examples out to show that the field wasn't level to begin with BF. Never has been. Btw, you have not answered my question either. Which would you prefer. A game with no mods or a sub-par low end system? Indeed, some il-2 on-line pilots cheat and they use their wallet to do it. There is no habicapping function in the game to fix that either.

Originally Posted by Billfish

Best part is it clearly states that anything to no matter what degree is not off limits. As today it's just to get to a "believed par", tomorrow because you had a bad night so tweak it up a bit more to be at your believed par....and in time you're naturally just the ace of aces due to your superior skills, as naturally everyone else is doing the same..

Sorry....Fact of the matter is I'm probably at the low end as far as equipment.....and to be blunt, I hold my own and then some against those with 2 of everything and all top end...

SV/ Yes, indeed that is what the modders all intend to do.. Quote your system and we will see how low it is. How does your fps do when you have a sky full of planes? If your low end system was anything like mine when there were too many players it got very slow. It did pretty well when only a few players were playing though. How about your internet connection too?

However Stalkervision, you do state the case for NOT allowing mods quite well whether you realized it or not.

Sv/ Hardly and where you have gotten that completely wacko idea I have no idea whatsoever..

You keep worrying your little mind about all these spurious little mind affecting mods BF. I just hope BOBSOW comes out before you blow a fuse over them..

[stalkervision]

Originally Posted by Billfish

Welp, think I'm done with my probing to get answers as to intentions and the like....So many of the responses absolutly clear, yet one hopes that out of all the evasion and doubletalk some promise will show through....

Fact of the matter is the mods/hacks at this point are clearly a Frankenstein's Monster. Good intentions my guess the original reason, yet in short order the requests by many for something beyond good intent and fair play were responded to with zeal. My guess is the adoration, feeling of power and so on took it to where it is and clearly going......So in the end, as it is already, something that proves out to not be trusted and dangerous to those who hold the sim dear.

Oleg & his team created, and though flawed and lacking in some regards remained trustworthy.....The hacks and their clear direction now simply corruption of that which was pure.

Thankfully also telling much of the players, modders or anti......Inner selves revealed. Trust & respect now able to be correctly applied.......Pity, I had hoped efforts would of been made seeing reason that would of allowed a good solid and equitable resolution for both sides of this issue. Clearly the fears of one now justified by the other.

Let me give you some friendly advice. Don't worry so much about these mods BF..

apparently you do so well with a low end base machine the modders better worry about YOU!

[WTE_Goanna]

Originally Posted by stalkervision

A game with no mods or a sub-par low end system? Indeed, some il-2 on-line pilots cheat and they use their wallet to do it. There is no habicapping function in the game to fix that either.

This definition of the word cheat from an online dictionary; http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/cheat

cheat /tʃit/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[cheet] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–verb (used with object)
1. to defraud; swindle: He cheated her out of her inheritance.
2. to deceive; influence by fraud: He cheated us into believing him a hero.
3. to elude; deprive of something expected: He cheated the law by suicide.
–verb (used without object)
4. to practice fraud or deceit: She cheats without regrets.
5. to violate rules or regulations: He cheats at cards.
6. to take an examination or test in a dishonest way, as by improper access to answers.
7. Informal. to be sexually unfaithful (often fol. by on): Her husband knew she had been cheating all along. He cheated on his wife.
–noun
8. a person who acts dishonestly, deceives, or defrauds: He is a cheat and a liar.
9. a fraud; swindle; deception: The game was a cheat.
10. Law. the fraudulent obtaining of another's property by a pretense or trick.
11. an impostor: The man who passed as an earl was a cheat.

Please explain to a oblivious, native Australian how anyone who has more money in their wallet to spend on a game/game accessories than someone else is a cheat.

Cheers

Goanna

[GOZR]

Why you guys spend time eating each others? Please stop.

Pictures of some work is much more interesting to me and many others that read this forum...

Thank you to respect this.

Now lets go to this..

Kursk Original


Same view new...

[BSS_Sniper]

Originally Posted by stalkervision

You don't get specular reflections in Il-2 like in real life when the glit of the sun reflects off a polished aircraft surface. Actually these reflections were quite common apparently and not rare whatsoever as you say because they are frequently commented on by ww 2 combat pilots. Apparently you have seen this effect very little huh and your a professional pilot with 20/15 vision what??? Private planes aren't camoflaged don't you know also. Many ace pilots were well known for picking out aircraft at increadable distances before their comrades could see the same aircraft. This is a decided advantage in any non-radar air combat. You don't get good movement clues either in il-2 as one would get in real life either.

Again, the fact that you can see aircraft so far off in this sim is just plain "gamey" and not realistic at all. The glint thing is rare as I stated and vision, good or bad has nothing to do with haze and other factors that are not present in the sim. If anything, seeing planes so far off needs to be toned way down. If you won't believe a real pilot that flies most everyday, well, I don't know what to tell you. I think that if you talked to a majority of pilots instead of reading of just a select few, you'd hear the same from the WW2 guys. You can't see planes normally that are 3, 4 or 5 miles out. In here you can see them a good 10k out without even trying. You're more than welcome to stop by our forums and just ask there. I'm just a commercial pilot with my instrument and multiengine ratings. Vidar is one too, except he is a flight instructor as well. He'd be more than happy to explain things. www.bss214.com

[GOZR]

Well it all depend what is the task asked.. and area.. in fight good to average pilot will probably see 6 to 8 miles and above distance for better eyes guys. There are different technics ofcourse .

[SlipBall]

I think that the game is just fine the way it is. I used to have trouble keeping my eye on a aircraft, then I learned to not take my eye off of it. If I do loose sight, I look where it should be, and quickly can pick it up again. Changing the glit factor would make the game less realistic, because those aircraft were painted back then to have low glit, with flat camo paint. I can see where a less experienced, or a lazy pilot, would want the mod

[robtek]

Originally Posted by stalkervision

As I see it you can choose to mod or not. Doesn't cost a thing. Many people can't choose to upgrade their computers. You can avoid the question by spinning the story any way that you like but a newer much faster system with a bigger monitor and all the perks is a REAL ADVANTAGE in on-line play.

and I really doubt people would be willing to put any handicaps whatever on their super duper top of the line systems to make it a real level playing field.

Better systems do enhance play Billfish. In this there is no doubt. I have gone online with sub-par systems and really good systems and the difference was like night and day.

@Stalkervision

are you really implementing that only people with "sub - standard" systems use these Hacks to even out the gameplay?
When i still was playing ADW even people with high end systems tuned their systems way down to get an advantage in spotting the enemy earlier.(I stopped playing there because of to much Hack - Cheating)
Usually at 1024x768 (native for IL2) with 16 bit color and all effects at minimum settings.
At these settings even a "sub - standard" system runs quite well.
And for the internet connection you also mentioned somewhere, a lag is a lag is a lag and no hack will change that.

best wishes

robtek

[Spectrum]

There are also a number of interesting new maps in development.
This is one which covers Battle of France, Dunkirk, Dieppe Raid and Ardennes 1944 as well as no end of cross channel raid missions. The map extends from Dieppe to Aachen and Sedan to Rotterdam. Isn't this worth having?