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[zapatista]

Originally Posted by philip.ed

Was his question directed to you? No, it wasnt, so calm down and stop being so aggressive.

was the comment directed at you ? no, so calm down and limit yourself to posting about the OT in this thread

Originally Posted by philip.ed

all Andy wanted to know was what the chap felt he wanted out of the sim. Your reaction was completely over the top.

no he wasnt, in the consistent pattern of andywest's perpetual ignorance on many topics here he thought other people needed to justify to him whatever they were interested in

Originally Posted by philip.ed

Zapatista, most of the things that you are saying we 'will have' are really quite speculative.

you either havnt read what i posted or you are not familiar with the info oleg himself posted in various locations over the years. some things we know he has worked on and made significant progress on, others he would like to include at some point after release but might not be in the initial BoB game, does all that really get confusing to you ?

nothing in life is certain, not even your next breath. what many people her DO know if they have followed the development of il2 since its inception is that oleg is aiming at a "next level" sim that goes beyond aircraft shooting at each other in a stale empty lifeless world, however pretty it might look with new modern gfx, and yes there are lots of clues he has given, and hints, and hopes, and some specific facts. do i know what will be in the final release, nope, but i do like to aim for the positive picture to see many of those elements included (either working from the start, to be expanded by 3e party or later patches, or simply factored into the game and engine design so it can be worked on later on and does not require us to wait 10 years for il2-v3)

Originally Posted by philip.ed

We have seen one model of a sea-gull that for the sim (which is now quite old, so maybe obsolete...), and this accompanied with him saying that it is possible to have this implemented.

wrong ! what he has said is that he has single birds working and flocks of them flying around already, near coastal area's specifically, he even specified that for now he didnt intend to have them "inland" (not sure for that reason, hopefully we get some in fields near airfields, or even on some of the less busy grass strips), what oleg also said about it is that birdstrike was already working as a damage model.

if you'd have been paying attention or a better working memory of what you came accross you would remember this from may 2009 in oleg's own words about the seagulls

"It is animated for flight and sitting. Additional gameplay moments with collision over the cliffs. Detailisation -- you will almost never see it so close as it is in our tools in this screenshot. Anyway, detailisation is very high for hundreds of seagulls in a frame."

what could it all mean, what could it all mean, life must be such a mystery to you. i DO know what that means however, but does that guarantee the sun will rise over the horizon tomorrow as it has done every day for several hundred million years, i got no idea what seems to be the case with you and the jolly gang of depressives here, is that you are strongly arguing the sun wont rise again because nobody can proove it to you or garantee it (as if somebody had to)

Originally Posted by philip.ed

There has been no direct comment from him to say whether it will 'definately' be shipped with the initial game or whether it will made available in any updates or by third-party people.

you must live in a really confusing world

there is no certainty on ANYTHING either in life or what oleg will or will not include in BoB, you and your jolly herd of doomsayers however on many of those issues are not informed enough. and i'll do an andywest on you now: you go and prove to me by quoting clips from oleg that he is completely uncertain if birds will EVER be in BoB as object, that birdstrike is so technically difficult it would delay the whole BoB project, and that the one picture of the single bird just posted is the ONLY one he ever created while working on this, see how absurd your "andyjwest logic" is ?

you have the complete right as an individual to believe in anything or nothing, even that BoB will be a complete sterile world with a few pretty airplanes and little else, none of that bothers me, and it doesnt matter if you have been here one day, one year, or since the forum started. what DOES matter is that on many of the actual details you are either poorly informed, have a short memory, or are actually going around in a depressed state in life where even on a sunny day you only see doom and gloom. just dont post that crap here pretending it is FACT, 'cause it aint.

to be fair, at least you seem to be a little better informed then the earlier rude spotty faced teen, or the other dude (neil from "the young ones"), you seem to remember "there was something about birds" previously released by oleg, and it isnt total news to you. that actually is a sign of progress compared to many of the earlier doomsayer comments here recently

Originally Posted by philip.ed

Obviously he may not have seem every-update released-so more the reason for us to refresh his mind and help him; without getting aggressive about it and name-calling.

ahh the feigned claim of innocence, the lilly white being assaulted by evil doers in the lost corridors of the internet. again your memory fails you, nobody here is being jabbed at for no reason, read the actual thread. people asking for information and PARTICIPATING in a discussion (direction of which given in the OP) is one thing, getting an endless boring repeated interjection of uninformed negative banter trying to derail the ongoing discussion is another, particularly since it is ill informed and from somebody who doesnt actually know the detail of what we already have been told and pretend they are suddenly expert at everything BoB.