Civilians?

[whatnot]

Originally Posted by AndyJWest

Something that might have been 'a good idea' earlier in the SoW development cycle but that only gets suggested now is unlikely to be incorporated into the release version unless it needs minimal work, I'd have thought, and many of the suggestions are anything but simple.

How I see the purpose of these forums when it comes to ideas is that the sim community (pretty hc simmers here on average I'd assume) shout out ideas they have and then the development crew are the ones who actually pick'n'mix what is feasible and suits the title / franchise.
And when talking about ideas for SOW I don't think it should be limited to the initial release since we're looking at an epic saga unfold. So they can address whatever future patches or releases too. Otherwise as the release gets closer and closer no one could type their suggestions as the RTM is imminent.

So my perception in a nutshell: open brainstorming here on the forum, validation / feasibility analysis by the Maddox crew who actually has a say on things.

But I've blabbered enough on this topic already, I guess I'll zip it and just watch the loop repeat itself.

[Novotny]

Well, you're possibly right, whatnot. My opinion, for what it's worth, is that Oleg and his team are probably quite a bit more hardcore than your average gamer.

It bothers me that people think Oleg just muddles along with no clear idea of what he's doing; previously in this thread and others internet people make claims that something was only fixed or introduced because of their feedback.

I'm of the impression that Oleg is quite intelligent - maybe even nearly as clever as some of our forum posters. Perhaps he is quite completely aware of issues such as human-building scaling, and they get attended to as and when he and his team can. Perhaps other things have higher priorities.

Only my opinion, but I'd guess that nineteen out of twenty suggestions/demands/complaints made by gamers here have previously been considered by Oleg.

[whatnot]

Originally Posted by Novotny

Only my opinion, but I'd guess that nineteen out of twenty suggestions/demands/complaints made by gamers here have previously been considered by Oleg.

Yes, I guess he has has spent an hour or two thinking about these things as this project might be more or less his day job.

Still hundreds of brains passionate about flight sims that are thinking the game from perhaps different angles can yield something worth while. Assuming ofcourse that OM has the time and patience to read through all this crap.

[kendo65]

Originally Posted by Novotny

It bothers me that people think Oleg just muddles along with no clear idea of what he's doing; previously in this thread and others internet people make claims that something was only fixed or introduced because of their feedback.

Perhaps he is quite completely aware of issues such as human-building scaling, and they get attended to as and when he and his team can. Perhaps other things have higher priorities.

Only my opinion, but I'd guess that nineteen out of twenty suggestions/demands/complaints made by gamers here have previously been considered by Oleg.

Originally Posted by whatnot

How I see the purpose of these forums when it comes to ideas is that the sim community (pretty hc simmers here on average I'd assume) shout out ideas they have and then the development crew are the ones who actually pick'n'mix what is feasible and suits the title / franchise.

So my perception in a nutshell: open brainstorming here on the forum, validation / feasibility analysis by the Maddox crew who actually has a say on things.

I don't see the chat on this forum as being primarily directed at the enlightenment of Oleg and the developers (except in the few cases they specifically ask for help or feedback).

I think the main issue is that we're all to a large degree still in the dark about what the game will be like, plus we're all extremely interested in the possibilities. What this leads to is speculation, wishes and opinions.

Most of the time the issues we direct at Oleg are questions about whether some feature we think would be excellent will be included. But this only comes about because Oleg plays his cards close to his chest. Most of the time I think people are looking for reassurance from Oleg that their particular preferences will be included, NOT trying to say that they know better than the developers. edit:(We tend to argue with each other about things that are uncertain - i don't recall too many of us telling Oleg directly that his plans sucked..! Ok, there was the furore over the early WIP landscape...I'll be charitable and call that a 'misunderstanding' ...and stop digging holes for myself... )

In the absence of full and complete info about the game from the man building it all we can do is debate, argue and talk amongst ourselves.

Sometimes it's pointless and ends up going round in circles because the only person who can really say YES or NO usually has better things to do.

Edit #2: just read the SOW AI Crew Members thread. I take it all back. We are a bunch of smart-arses who think we know best

[philip.ed]

Zapatista, most of the things that you are saying we 'will have' are really quite speculative. We have seen one model of a sea-gull that for the sim (which is now quite old, so maybe obsolete...), and this accompanied with him saying that it is possible to have this implemented. There has been no direct comment from him to say whether it will 'definately' be shipped with the initial game or whether it will made available in any updates or by third-party people.
Honestly, you are over-reacting to Andy's comments. If you feel he hasn't been here long enough and is 'naive' to all of this, then you need to grow up a bit. Obviously he may not have seem every-update released-so more the reason for us to refresh his mind and help him; without getting aggressive about it and name-calling.