cheats allready

[kimosabi]

Originally Posted by Blackdog_kt

Hahaha, glad to know where you stand. It seems i am doing something by the way, exposing a point of view you dislike to as many people as i can at every opportunity, otherwise it wouldn't be sufficient to get you all riled up. No ill will against you still by the way, you just placed yourself on my "funny angry tantrums" list so thanks for the amusement

On a serious note, if you don't want to own your games and forfeit your basic consumer rights then that's your own right, but don't pretend that forfeiting the protection of the law on a personal level somehow makes you better than the rest or makes your choice applicable to the rest. If a person suddenly decides to sell himself as a slave that doesn't mean slavery is re-instituted for everyone, it's still contrary to the law. It's the same with everything else and like i said in the answer to the previous quote, if Ubi hadn't pulled the plug early on their previous DRM scheme you'd be very surprised at how many "hippies" with legislative powers would push to bring the issue to a final and undisputed resolution that stands against your point of view. So have a nice day and don't pop a blood vessel next time you disagree with someone because you like being treated at a standard less than what the law affords you. All i'm saying is everyone is free to be a masochist as long as they don't try convincing me that whipping is enjoyable, if they do they get on the "funny people" list.

A certain quote comes to mind: "Never Argue With A Fool – They Will Drag You Down To Their Level, Then Beat You With Experience!"

You had me baited, fool. Congratulations.

On a serious note, do you have the game?

[Blackdog_kt]

Originally Posted by kimosabi

A certain quote comes to mind: "Never Argue With A Fool – They Will Drag You Down To Their Level, Then Beat You With Experience!"

You had me baited, fool. Congratulations.

On a serious note, do you have the game?

Come on, you can certainly do better than the cliche defence.
In any case, sorry if i ruffled your feathers intentionally in my previous post, i just got surprised you got so jumpy about matters of personal preference. I'm perfectly happy to retract my previous ironic comments if you can agree that we don't all have to subscribe to one certain preference

To answer your question, i do have the a collector's edition of the sim and i'm enjoying it immensely despite the glitches. I just weighed pros and cons and the sum was a positive so i went ahead and purchased it. That doesn't mean i'm 100% happy with everything neither that i'm going to get my panties in a twist over each and every issue, especially since with the kind of frequent patches and support we're getting it is shaping up to be just fine. I just like to keep things balanced and if i don't like a feature i'll go ahead and ask for an option to turn it off, heck i will even ask the same for features that i happen to like if other people take objection to them. It's only fair that we can all enjoy this the way we prefer and it also ensures a wider appeal and more potential sales for the developers.

I think that the current launch platform was chosen to reach wider audiences (good) and ease the distribution of patches (also good) due to the rushed release, but making things mandatory is always worse than making them optional. I'm not going to start a "make it optional" campaign when there's bigger fish to fry at the moment, it's just that if i don't like something i'm going to ask for check-box to turn it off without having an effect on the ability of others to keep it in use. I'm just not partial to making this the no.1 issue when there are other more important things to take care of, so i keep it on stand-by for when the game is fixed and the major issues are taken care of.

I'm not saying i hate Steam, it has caused me minimal problems thus far, mainly the fact that it keeps reverting to auto-update status everytime i run the game, i have to reset it manually each and every time, plus the annoyance of having to start it up, wait for login, close the advertisement screen, etc.

I just think that Steam will have to facilitate certain customized checks and allowances as far as CoD is concerned (if it doesn't already) to be able to prevent cheating without hampering beneficial 3rd party additions. If we just exchange one set of problems for another then it's no use in the long run, at least if we do have to choose between two sets of issues then let's make it possible for the user to choose on his own.

I'm not panicking over it since i can't really draw conclusions unless i see how things will work out in practice and currently i spent most of my time learning and explaining to others things like CEM, interface and so on. I'm just waiting to see how they will handle things, then i will draw my own conclusions and voice my opinion.

I hope i answered your question to a satisfactory degree.

[squidgyb]

Originally Posted by Blackdog_kt

close the advertisement screen, etc.

View > Settings > Interface > Notify me... (bottom of the page) Annoys the buggery out of me as well. Ofc, if your settings are being reset each startup then it's a different matter entirely.

Originally Posted by Blackdog_kt

I just think that Steam will have to facilitate certain customized checks and allowances as far as CoD is concerned (if it doesn't already) to be able to prevent cheating without hampering beneficial 3rd party additions.

That's what I'm hoping for.

Originally Posted by carguy_

Whatever, I don`t care. I use ONLY vanilla games, I buy ONLY original games for xbox360. Cheaters need drastic measures to be applied to them because the whole community hurts.

And let`s be frank here : they don`t need to put up any kind of warning, since the EULA itself is the warning. You even TRY to fiddle with the game files, you`re toast and well done. Just the way I like it!

I'm not sure what to say about that to be honest. To put it into an appropriate analogy for the subject matter: spray and pray doesn't work - and generally ends up in friendly fire/civilian casualties.

[kimosabi]

Originally Posted by Blackdog_kt

Hahaha, glad to know where you stand. It seems i am doing something by the way, exposing a point of view you dislike to as many people as i can at every opportunity, otherwise it wouldn't be sufficient to get you all riled up. No ill will against you still by the way, you just placed yourself on my "funny angry tantrums" list so thanks for the amusement

On a serious note, if you don't want to own your games and forfeit your basic consumer rights then that's your own right, but don't pretend that forfeiting the protection of the law on a personal level somehow makes you better than the rest or makes your choice applicable to the rest. If a person suddenly decides to sell himself as a slave that doesn't mean slavery is re-instituted for everyone, it's still contrary to the law. It's the same with everything else and like i said in the answer to the previous quote, if Ubi hadn't pulled the plug early on their previous DRM scheme you'd be very surprised at how many "hippies" with legislative powers would push to bring the issue to a final and undisputed resolution that stands against your point of view. So have a nice day and don't pop a blood vessel next time you disagree with someone because you like being treated at a standard less than what the law affords you. All i'm saying is everyone is free to be a masochist as long as they don't try convincing me that whipping is enjoyable, if they do they get on the "funny people" list.

Originally Posted by Blackdog_kt

Come on, you can certainly do better than the cliche defence.
In any case, sorry if i ruffled your feathers intentionally in my previous post, i just got surprised you got so jumpy about matters of personal preference. I'm perfectly happy to retract my previous ironic comments if you can agree that we don't all have to subscribe to one certain preference

To answer your question, i do have the a collector's edition of the sim and i'm enjoying it immensely despite the glitches. I just weighed pros and cons and the sum was a positive so i went ahead and purchased it. That doesn't mean i'm 100% happy with everything neither that i'm going to get my panties in a twist over each and every issue, especially since with the kind of frequent patches and support we're getting it is shaping up to be just fine. I just like to keep things balanced and if i don't like a feature i'll go ahead and ask for an option to turn it off, heck i will even ask the same for features that i happen to like if other people take objection to them. It's only fair that we can all enjoy this the way we prefer and it also ensures a wider appeal and more potential sales for the developers.

I hope i answered your question to a satisfactory degree.

Man without principles, hypocrite, forum troll, take your pick. I'm gonna have to go with "idiot" though. I will be happy to withdraw this ironic comment if you can agree that making twisted assumptions about people on an internet forum, based on factual one liners is pathetic.

[Sven]

If you'd like to sign here gentlemen,

[ATAG_Doc]

You have to love the troll.

[seaeye]

Originally Posted by kimosabi

Man without principles, hypocrite, forum troll, take your pick. I'm gonna have to go with "idiot" though. I will be happy to withdraw this ironic comment if you can agree that making twisted assumptions about people on an internet forum, based on factual one liners is pathetic.

Pretty sure you were the one to blow this out all proportions. I think Blackdog has a valid point of view that was written well. You on the other hand quickly resorted to name calling which is a sure sign of immaturity when confronted with things one doesn't understand.

Get a grip.

[Blackdog_kt]

Originally Posted by kimosabi

Man without principles, hypocrite, forum troll, take your pick. I'm gonna have to go with "idiot" though. I will be happy to withdraw this ironic comment if you can agree that making twisted assumptions about people on an internet forum, based on factual one liners is pathetic.

Hey, you're the one who got all agitated in the first place and even admitted as such. In case you don't remember here is your first post in this useless exchange:

Originally Posted by kimosabi

Get your priorities straight. Im saying like it is and it is just a game. Therefore I have no problems paying for the right to use the game instead of, wow, OWNING it and the rights to use it any way I want. Yeah, owning a computer game is just so important to you hippies isnt it....

Your general judgment of people based on renting a computer game is just pathetic. Get out of your sofa and do something you forum jockey, if it really is that important to you. BTW, I am being aggressive against you. No need to cowardly disguise anything here.

You just seem to be the kind of person who can't stand having their opinion challenged one iota and please do note that i said "seem to be" as i realize there might be a host of different reasons for you getting off the wrong side of the bed. Fine by me, it's your choice, it just doesn't hold much merit if you start things up and then backtrack and play sad panda when people point out what YOU said. If you don't like the way it reflects on you don't say it in the first place, problem solved.

You made no comment on the fact that i did answer your question, the one that you supposedly asked "on a serious note", neither that i made my best to provide ample explanation for what my take on actual topic of the thread is. In short, you sidestepped everything that was actually on topic and persevered on keeping this useless exchange going, i extended the so-called olive branch and you're still going at it undeterred.

My conclusion, and feel free to disagree with it all you like (since a. it's your right to and b. i've lost the ability to care by this point ), is that it just seems you're spoiling for a flamewar and i'm not going to give you that, not out of respect to someone who seemingly lacks the capacity to reciprocate it, just in order not to further derail this topic.

I could use similar language to yours and call you a corporate shill or another suitable, overused and equally stupid cliche to the ones you used, but first of all it's boring and i like to come up with my own lines and second, i find that keeping within the boundaries of "annoyed politeness" is more effective: it infuriates the loud, annoying people just fine, without even having to say stuff that could constitute a banable offence

I'm just fine stating my point and agreeing to disagree without the need to convince anybody. I don't want, care or need you to subscribe to my point of view, i just like having options to suit everyone including me and you.
What i don't take kindly to is others telling me how i should feel about things or trying to force their opinion on everyone else, so yes, you're going to get called out on it.

You can think that EULAs are cool, i will keep thinking they are customer-hostile, undermining basic consumer rights granted by law and most of all, not legally binding because they are not visible before you buy the product and there's no refund after you open the box 99% of the time.
There's nothing either one of us can do to change each other's mind and thus there's no reason to argue about pros and cons. I don't care to convince you either way, i just maintain the right to openly disagree with you along with other like minded fellows, so that we can maybe advocate an option that will give us what we want without taking away what you want. If you can't grasp (or don't want to) that simplistic bit of fair treatment towards all users of this product then too bad, because i'm done explaining.

Just don't go acting sensitive all of a sudden only because you get called out on casting the first stone by bashing people for having a different opinion. Have a nice day and go fly the sim, or don't and do your best to keep this useless back-and-forth going. It's your choice and apart from a couple of minutes it took me to answer you, it's not my concern in the slightest



Now that i'm done with the distractions, on the actual topic i'd have to agree with this:

Originally Posted by squidgyb

I'm not sure what to say about that to be honest. To put it into an appropriate analogy for the subject matter: spray and pray doesn't work - and generally ends up in friendly fire/civilian casualties.

...and generally not enough pressure being put on the actual target: the ones who usually get inconvenienced the most are the ones who shouldn't be, while the actual wrong-doers (cheaters, pirates, etc) will most of the times find a work-around just because they actively keep looking for it.

Let's hope that Steam's experience with multiplayer and modded games is enough to facilitate a solution suitable to CoD. I'm not saying it can't/won't and i'm not saying it will 100% succeed either. I don't know, so it's wait and see at this point, i just hope they provide a suitable solution.

[Wolf_Rider]

the more you take from those who do and give it to those who don't do, the less there will to take because those who do won't do anymore.... then you'll be upset.

Originally Posted by Blackdog_kt

You can think that EULAs are cool, i will keep thinking they are customer-hostile, undermining basic consumer rights granted by law and most of all, not legally binding because they are not visible before you buy the product and there's no refund after you open the box 99% of the time.

not visible? ... what planet are you on?? the EULA has to be clicked on to Agree/ disagree before it will install and warranty information is located there too.

not legally binding? until tested, very binding sorry to say

[kimosabi]

Originally Posted by kimosabi

You dont own the game. You agree to pay a fee for using it under their terms.

Originally Posted by Blackdog_kt

As much as i dislike cheating, this is a perfect example of defeatist consumer attitude.

Originally Posted by Blackdog_kt

Hey, you're the one who got all agitated in the first place and even admitted as such. In case you don't remember here is your first post in this useless exchange:

You just seem to be the kind of person who can't stand having their opinion challenged one iota and please do note that i said "seem to be" as i realize there might be a host of different reasons for you getting off the wrong side of the bed.

You jumped on to attack a factual statement. Doesn't matter what opinion or "attitude" I might have, besides the fact that you implied that I personally is a person with a "defeatist consumer attitude". That's how it is. No wall of text on a game forum will change that. Now wake up and smell the coffee. Get over yourself.

Yes, I do get agitated over idiots. I think mankind deserves better than having them walk around on the planet. Or in this case, typing walls of text to relay the simplest of message.