cheats allready

[snwkill]

I agree with you about having admins do the banning. But I am guessing cheating really wont be a problem in this game. Simmers have a different attitude than the average (other COD game) type person. I would suspect that they would get very bored after awhile, and even then if they took enough time to learn how to get the damn thing off the deck they would be more intrigued to be better.

[squidgyb]

Originally Posted by Extreme_One

VAC banned accounts are only prohibited from visiting servers with VAC enabled.

VAC banned accounts can still play offline and can still join servers that have elected not to enable VAC.

Thanks for clearing that up for me - I'm sure a quick google would have brought up the info

That puts my mind to rest somewhat.

[palker4]

If he did that online and cheat protection was on and working he can expect VAC BAN on his account in following weeks. That will prevent him from joing any multiplayer game from that account.

[Jaws2002]

Originally Posted by palker4

If he did that online and cheat protection was on and working he can expect VAC BAN on his account in following weeks. That will prevent him from joing any multiplayer game from that account.

Haha. This is actually great. All this little wankers that were hacking away this last few weeks, thinking COD is a village without dogs, will get a nice surprise, in a few weeks.

Cool.

[CBA_Bludawg]

from the vid it looks like he got into the plane files and did some tweaking with cheat engine and if he had this running in the back ground while online in multi player yes hes been flagged for sure and will get the bann hammer. Cheat engine is very well known with hardcore hackers (homefront, blackops and tons more). i recall back in the day of CFS when they would get in with a modded plane and have like 100 guns and rip ya apart in a split second and you could never shoot them down

[kimosabi]

Originally Posted by Blackdog_kt

As much as i dislike cheating, this is a perfect example of defeatist consumer attitude. The only reason things are the way you describe them is that nobody has the money to fund a class action lawsuit to enforce what is actually state consumer law in many countries and relegates all EULAs to junk.

I'm not being aggressive against you, but the law where i live states that what you say should not be applicable to me.

Ban the cheaters from multiplayer sure, but not letting anyone use software they paid for is plain and simple rubbish in my humble opinion. According to Extreme_One it works like this, so i'm keeping my fingers crossed.

In any case, i prefer the IL2 way where banning cheaters was enforced by server admins. This way there's less chance of accidental bans or bans to people who just mod harmless parts of the game. Sure, it's more effort and it doesn't completely shield you from cheaters, but i prefer to be shot down by a UFO a couple of times per month and submit a track to the server admin so that they can ban the cheater than accidentally lose access to multiplayer and being unable to do anything about it for the duration of the sim's life

All this stuff about "selling a service that we can partially or entirely terminate at our own discretion with no warning and no refund" is plain and utter crap. If they were selling a service they would send me a printed manual or a replacement installation disc if i ever lost my original one. Good luck with that.
What they do is sell a physical product and then interpret parts of it as a service so that they can't be held accountable for anything.

Get your priorities straight. Im saying like it is and it is just a game. Therefore I have no problems paying for the right to use the game instead of, wow, OWNING it and the rights to use it any way I want. Yeah, owning a computer game is just so important to you hippies isnt it....

Your general judgment of people based on renting a computer game is just pathetic. Get out of your sofa and do something you forum jockey, if it really is that important to you. BTW, I am being aggressive against you. No need to cowardly disguise anything here.

[Wolf_Rider]

Originally Posted by Ali Fish

wow thats a memory and a half .... ago. whats it 10 years or somthing ?

all "arrrgghhh - ffs, not again!" @ the zone monster


hack cheats? - ban their sorry butt

[Blackdog_kt]

Originally Posted by Triggaaar

It depends on the terms and conditions you've agreed to. Have you read all the T&C of Steam and Ubisoft for the game? If the terms say that you are paying for a license to use the game, and you lose the right if you modify the game, then why are you so sure that law where you are is different?

Because EU consumer law treats software more or less as physical purchases, like a car or a toaster: you buy it, you use it, you can resell it, etc. Local law is above and invalidates any EULA, it's just that none of us can afford to take a publishing house to court over disputes in their EULAs.

However, during the fiasco with the always online Ubisoft copy protection scheme enough people were affected (couldn't connect to the validation servers, so they were locked out of their legally purchased games) that certain officials and members of parliament in Scandinavian countries started looking into it.

Unfortunately, the situation was defused before it could get to courts. And i say unfortunately, because all it takes for this to change is setting a precedent stating that "you can't sell in the EU unless you follow such and such rules" which will benefit the customers. After that, other markets will start demanding the same treatment from software publishers ("why do we have to put up with X while they Europeans don't? i'm boycotting the game/buying a European version/etc") and will eventually get it.

Originally Posted by kimosabi

Get your priorities straight. Im saying like it is and it is just a game. Therefore I have no problems paying for the right to use the game instead of, wow, OWNING it and the rights to use it any way I want. Yeah, owning a computer game is just so important to you hippies isnt it....

Your general judgment of people based on renting a computer game is just pathetic. Get out of your sofa and do something you forum jockey, if it really is that important to you. BTW, I am being aggressive against you. No need to cowardly disguise anything here.

Hahaha, glad to know where you stand. It seems i am doing something by the way, exposing a point of view you dislike to as many people as i can at every opportunity, otherwise it wouldn't be sufficient to get you all riled up. No ill will against you still by the way, you just placed yourself on my "funny angry tantrums" list so thanks for the amusement

On a serious note, if you don't want to own your games and forfeit your basic consumer rights then that's your own right, but don't pretend that forfeiting the protection of the law on a personal level somehow makes you better than the rest or makes your choice applicable to the rest. If a person suddenly decides to sell himself as a slave that doesn't mean slavery is re-instituted for everyone, it's still contrary to the law. It's the same with everything else and like i said in the answer to the previous quote, if Ubi hadn't pulled the plug early on their previous DRM scheme you'd be very surprised at how many "hippies" with legislative powers would push to bring the issue to a final and undisputed resolution that stands against your point of view. So have a nice day and don't pop a blood vessel next time you disagree with someone because you like being treated at a standard less than what the law affords you. All i'm saying is everyone is free to be a masochist as long as they don't try convincing me that whipping is enjoyable, if they do they get on the "funny people" list.

[Wolf_Rider]

try that with your legally purchased right to drive after your license has been revoked for DUI.


Houses/ server operators just make a condition of service (paid membership) that cheats will locked out...

[seiseki]

Anyone familiar with steams VAC - Valve Anti-cheat, will know that it detects and logs file changes and anything tampering with the game and bans within one or two months.
It's random so people won't know what cheat that got them banned, that way it's harder to figure out a way to avoid the detection mechanism.

Only downside is that cheaters can play for up to two months or so..
But it will cost them 45€..