cheats allready

[squidgyb]

If I edit a file while mucking around in single player, forget about it and enter multiplayer - is there any warning that I may be doing something wrong?

I feel there's a massive potential for being accidentally banned with such a system. don't get me wrong, I want to stop cheaters entirely - but they definitely need to put some warning in that you may be infringing the rules.

Also - what exactly do they mean by "banning the account"? From the last few years of buying through Steam, I have several hundreds, if not over £1000 worth of games on my steam account. If that all disappears, with "no recourse" to getting it back if I'm innocent... crikey, that's a bloody sobering thought.

I might be wrong - by "account" they might mean playing online multiplayer in CoD, but I strongly suspect that any Steam account accused of cheating will be locked down entirely, and I've heard plenty of nasty stories in the past about people having their Steam accounts locked by mistake, and there's apparently very, very little you can do to unlock them.

I certainly won't be playing MP until there's some proper clarification on what files can/can't be changed, how the ban mechanics work, and hopefully some kind of warning system is in place.

[DarkCrow]

Originally Posted by squidgyb

If I edit a file while mucking around in single player, forget about it and enter multiplayer - is there any warning that I may be doing something wrong?

I like that idea in theory, but I don't know much about this stuff, couldn't that help the cheaters to know whether there hack has been detected or not? If there is no warning then they would be more afraid to use the hack.

Originally Posted by nearmiss

Looks like the old days when we were on the ZONE...

wow thats a memory and a half .... ago. whats it 10 years or somthing ?

[Extreme_One]

VAC banned accounts are only prohibited from visiting servers with VAC enabled.

VAC banned accounts can still play offline and can still join servers that have elected not to enable VAC.

[123-Wulf-123]

There are some sick little puppies with sore egos and a vengeful streak that will be posting this sort of stuff for months to come, its their twisted way of making themselves feel useful.

[jt_medina]

Why could someone enjoy cheating? where is the challenge?

[Ctrl E]

In a way u can't blame people trying to make the game more playable. It was completely broken when first released.

[Blackdog_kt]

Originally Posted by kimosabi

You dont own the game. You agree to pay a fee for using it under their terms.

As much as i dislike cheating, this is a perfect example of defeatist consumer attitude. The only reason things are the way you describe them is that nobody has the money to fund a class action lawsuit to enforce what is actually state consumer law in many countries and relegates all EULAs to junk.

I'm not being aggressive against you, but the law where i live states that what you say should not be applicable to me.

Ban the cheaters from multiplayer sure, but not letting anyone use software they paid for is plain and simple rubbish in my humble opinion. According to Extreme_One it works like this, so i'm keeping my fingers crossed.

In any case, i prefer the IL2 way where banning cheaters was enforced by server admins. This way there's less chance of accidental bans or bans to people who just mod harmless parts of the game. Sure, it's more effort and it doesn't completely shield you from cheaters, but i prefer to be shot down by a UFO a couple of times per month and submit a track to the server admin so that they can ban the cheater than accidentally lose access to multiplayer and being unable to do anything about it for the duration of the sim's life

All this stuff about "selling a service that we can partially or entirely terminate at our own discretion with no warning and no refund" is plain and utter crap. If they were selling a service they would send me a printed manual or a replacement installation disc if i ever lost my original one. Good luck with that.
What they do is sell a physical product and then interpret parts of it as a service so that they can't be held accountable for anything.

[123-Wulf-123]

Originally Posted by jt_medina

Why could someone enjoy cheating? where is the challenge?

They're not interested in the actual cheating, just interested in proving they can hack the game, in order to prove to themselves that they are extremely clever, and to score points against the developers in their own (twisted) little minds.

[Triggaaar]

Originally Posted by Blackdog_kt

The only reason things are the way you describe them is that nobody has the money to fund a class action lawsuit to enforce what is actually state consumer law in many countries and relegates all EULAs to junk.

I'm not being aggressive against you, but the law where i live states that what you say should not be applicable to me.

It depends on the terms and conditions you've agreed to. Have you read all the T&C of Steam and Ubisoft for the game? If the terms say that you are paying for a license to use the game, and you lose the right if you modify the game, then why are you so sure that law where you are is different?