Daidalos Team's Room -QUESTIONS AND REQUESTS ONLY on IL2 Authorized Addons

[Voyager]

Don't know if this has been proposed before, but would it be possible to make the P-51 fuselage fuel tank a Weapon Loadout option? Sort of as a stop-gap for the P-51 CoG issues, until the SoW engine is done.

As I understand it, one of the reasons the P-51 is spiny is because the 85 gallon fuselage tank was installed without any counter balance to it, and adversely impacted the loaded CoG because of it. Typically pilots would drain it before moving on to the drop tanks, but limitations in the Il-2 engine prevent fuel tanks from having independent CoG effects or complex CoG effects.

The idea is have one CoG mapping for the P-51 with the 85 gallon tank starting full, and have a second CoG mapping for when the 85 gallon tank starts empty, on control which one is in use the same way the 109 field mod kits are currently handled. You do start to run into the exponential loadout issue the late war German, but the P-51's only have four loadouts apiece currently.

The real question is, how hard a fix is it? Is this something that's deeply buried in the flight model, and can a loadout flag even change something like that? Is this a five-lines-of-code sort of change, or a suicide-watch-on-the-dev-team sort of change?

Harry Voyager

I almost hesitate to even propose this: it just feels like something that is far less simple than it seems on the surface.

[FC99]

Originally Posted by Voyager

Don't know if this has been proposed before, but would it be possible to make the P-51 fuselage fuel tank a Weapon Loadout option? Sort of as a stop-gap for the P-51 CoG issues, until the SoW engine is done.

We are doing something about CoG/fuel issue.

For the rest of the crowd, whining doesn't help, only well documented and researched problems will be taken into consideration for fix.

FC

[lep1981]

Something that REALLY bothers me from IL2 is the score system. It doesn't really encourage teamplay when playing in multiplayer. Is there a way to fix that?. By this I mean allowing, for example, to get the kill points to all the players that hit a shot down plane during the last minute before crashing or something like that... just to keep it fair. It's so annoying to be hitting a bomber having it almost done, and watch another guy come put the last 2 bullets on him and you end up screwed, after you did all the work, and of course, the kill stealers... who just put the 1 single bullet on a plane that's already falling down in flames.

Hopefully there is a solution to all this.

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by lep1981

Something that REALLY bothers me from IL2 is the score system. It doesn't really encourage teamplay when playing in multiplayer. Is there a way to fix that?. By this I mean allowing, for example, to get the kill points to all the players that hit a shot down plane during the last minute before crashing or something like that... just to keep it fair. It's so annoying to be hitting a bomber having it almost done, and watch another guy come put the last 2 bullets on him and you end up screwed, after you did all the work, and of course, the kill stealers... who just put the 1 single bullet on a plane that's already falling down in flames.
Hopefully there is a solution to all this.

This is an excellent suggestion and something this sim has needed for some time. I think a simpler way to do something like this would be to allow server side settings for two types of points systems.. Team points or individual points. If I recall correctly MSCFS1 used to have a similar feature.. If set for individual points then each individual would receive points according to what the individual has done. If set for team points the points would be totaled for Blue & Red.I also think that the points system of numbers should just be scrapped.. and the symbols used.. Like in QMs.

I hope a moderator comes by and cleans up this thread.. it is really sad to see the direction some have taken it in.

Originally Posted by Gryphon_

In order get good data as inputs to future work, I think you need your own forum, moderated by you. I don't think you'll get much value out of one thread on this forum anymore.
With your own forum you could have public and private sections for different groups, and folks would be happier about providing data and engaging in a meaningful discussion

The problem is not the forum it is the people posting and what they choose to post. This will happen anywhere it is allowed to proliferate as long as the same people are in the threads.

[nearmiss]

Daidalus Team's Room -QUESTIONS AND REQUESTS ONLY on IL2 Authorized Addons

This is now a question/request and answer thread only.

If you get an answer from DT that you don't agree with do not start an argument.

If DT doesn't answer to suit you, then make a posting and corroborate your facts with reference data. If DT doesn't agree the second time forget it, and remember the DT is working for free to accomodate our community. They don't have to put up with flak.

[Billfish]

For some time I made the request (in Oleg's Ready Room) that the windscreen oiling of the Ki-61 be relooked at in that on many levels it is not an upright V like the allies used, yet more so in the regard that how the oiling system is laid out it is also very different then the BF-109.

In a nutshell, it would be very difficult to impossible to oil the windscreen in a Ki-61, all other aircraft except twin engine aircraft would be worse.......

I'd like to see if DT would be willing to look at the data and documentation.....If so, I'd be glad to post it again.........This should be a rather simple fix to a glaring error with the Ki-61 that would help make it more realistic........In kind removal of the venturi above the air intake would be appreciated (only 3-5 Ki-61 EVER had them).

Please let me know if DT would be willing to look at this information.....Thanks for the work.

K2

[zaelu]

A scoring system like BF2's Reality Mod would be more than OK.

Team mates nearby get points for support. Suppressing an enemy gets you points. Downing an enemy does not give you best points. Etc. A lot of good ideas there but, I don't know if IL-2 can do it.

[cmirko]

Originally Posted by Billfish

Please let me know if DT would be willing to look at this information.....Thanks for the work.

K2

sure, every piece of info, backed up by tests and/or hard data will be looked at , if you are more comfortable use the DT email...

cheers

[Billfish]

Since this thread is a spam fest, I've "begun" a thread of Ki-61 issues on my forum that can be found here: http://78sentai.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=401

K2

Originally Posted by Billfish

For some time I made the request (in Oleg's Ready Room) that the windscreen oiling of the Ki-61 be relooked at in that on many levels it is not an upright V like the allies used, yet more so in the regard that how the oiling system is laid out it is also very different then the BF-109.

In a nutshell, it would be very difficult to impossible to oil the windscreen in a Ki-61, all other aircraft except twin engine aircraft would be worse.......

I'd like to see if DT would be willing to look at the data and documentation.....If so, I'd be glad to post it again.........This should be a rather simple fix to a glaring error with the Ki-61 that would help make it more realistic........In kind removal of the venturi above the air intake would be appreciated (only 3-5 Ki-61 EVER had them).

Please let me know if DT would be willing to look at this information.....Thanks for the work.

K2

[ramstein]

Originally Posted by FC99

We are doing something about CoG/fuel issue.

For the rest of the crowd, whining doesn't help, only well documented and researched problems will be taken into consideration for fix.

FC

Yes! for the first time, since iL-2 and the P51 hit the computer hard drive... I have been jazzed about someone actually saying it's even being looked at..

Holy frakking cow! I am very happy! and you guys have really made lots and lots of pilots very very happy giving them hope!

(actually Oleg did do some work, but came up short...) he abondonded us on these issues, after he mostly fixed the wings breaking at 425 mph.. and a small bit of 50 cal sync changing....