Tactics for Cliffs of Dover.

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Originally Posted by Ltbear

Will the German stay close and slow to the bombers?? Hell no, they know it was wrong to do, they wount be forced to do it.

Same problem with IL2 in the pacific. You have Japanese pilots, flying with tactics they shouldnt and they use radios...

Both sides have to accept that the Historical comes from the time and dates and the hardware, not from the what you will se on the servers. You cant park a game with a static result but trying to use a dynamic way to get the static result.

Exactly my view. And I don't think it's a bad thing. But there are those that believe they will fly in an historically correct manner, which I think is daft, unless it's a one off to re-create a specific battle.

Originally Posted by csThor

Precisely. This grade of historical accuracy can only be achieved offline when the AI allows it. But even the grade of historical accuracy that could be achieved online is virtually impossible outside of tight-knit groups of players with the same outlook

I think it's tough even within a tight-knit squad. The one way it can be done is if your squad flies the same mission twice, with you all having a go on both sides. The rule would be that you floow the orders given to you. One side might have good tactics, and advantage going into the fight, or superior numbers. That way it doesn't matter if you've been set-up to fail, you switch sides afterwards and try and better your opponents victory. What I find difficult to imagine is that someone would stick to historically accurate tactics and always fly blue.

I'd love to fly a Stuka attack on Portsmouth harbor with its anchored destroyers if that made sense online. Unfortunately it doesn't. Worse - it's a waste of precious time and nerves. First you won't find enough people to man the Stukas, then you won't find enough people disciplined enough to be of actual use as fighter escort and then you'll only draw the score-whores on the other side who want easy prey just to demonstrate what heroes they are.

But then I may actually be a bit bitter.

Yes I think you might be I actually think it'll be easy to setup a successful online mission for you to bomb Portsmouth in your Stukas. 109s should be happy to escourt you from above (if the RAF's mission is to shoot the Sukas, what else can a 109 pilot do except look for the reds by covering the Stukas?), and you can always limit the number of Spits against you. If you haven't found that sort of thing online before, maybe you've flown on the wrong servers.

Originally Posted by Ltbear

Because of historical bad planning and tactics......

This is and will be the main factor of alot of whining when COD comes out. The luftwaffe will encounter things they will se as wierd, the Brits will se things they will scream out was not historical....

The only complaints I saw in IL2 were where people thought the planes weren't historically accurate - I've never seen people complain that the pilots aren't flying as per their historical counterparts, because no one expects them to.

We are given the tools to recreate battles, but we cant recreate the outcome unless those flying Luftwaffe accept this and will play there game acordingly....

It's unrealistic to recreate battles totally accurately. Not only would we have to have accurate planes, numbers and tactics, but we'd need accurate pilot skill, and each side would have to be appropriately miss-informed about the abilities of the opposing aircraft, etc.

We all should learn from history are told over and over again. We have learned from history, we know what was good and wrong...this is what we should do. Using these tools of fun createt to us, use them to bring us into history...our own history.....our battle of britain

Lol, if we want to create our own history, and we truly have learnt from the past, then lets end this stupid war and all go down the pub!