IL2 Mod Makers and Daidalos should Unite

[gaunt1]

Originally Posted by WhiskeyWhiskey

I guess I would wonder why it would matter to be so picky with standards when the finished product works mostly, with a game that is dying out?

It looks like Battle of Stalingrad will also be unable to replace IL-2.
Main strenght of good old IL-2 is that lots of people fly allied and even japanese planes. Where else do you find them other than in IL-2? CloD is dead, DCS:ww2 is still in deveopment (and will be for many years), and the older sims, like CFS3, well, better not speak of them.
And not only this. People who mainly like late german or soviet planes, BoS will still be a disappointment. Probably some Yak-9, La5, Bf-109G6+, Fw-190A4+ variants will be included later in the sim, but that will also take lots of time, and not in the same quantity as in IL-2. For people who like flying bombers (like me), IL-2 is still much better. Pe-8, Il-4, Ju-88, A-20, etc. will probably never make it to BoS.
And if TD eventually releases night fighters with working radars...
So while certainly lost some popularity, I would not call IL-2 dying out.
TD is the main reason why IL-2 is still lives, (and getting better and better!) and many many thanks for it!

[KG26_Alpha]

BOS needs 10 years development yet,
unfortunately the WW2 flight sim market is smaller than it was 15 years ago.

It will be painfully slow before its anywhere near the theater coverage IL2 1946 has.

[Igo kyu]

Originally Posted by KG26_Alpha

unfortunately the WW2 flight sim market is smaller than it was 15 years ago.

I'm not convinced this is true, there are loads of "arcade" WW2 flight sims on Amazon.co.uk, they wouldn't be there if they didn't sell.

[KG26_Alpha]

Flight sim is the key word.

Arcade games are pick up put down items for gamers.

If you want a serious Sim as BoS is you need a different client from a gamer to get the cash in.

[Pursuivant]

Originally Posted by KG26_Alpha

If you want a serious Sim as BoS is you need a different client from a gamer to get the cash in.

BoS might survive and thrive if it uses the RoF business model where you can pay for additional content and upgrades. That helps to attract the Flight Sim crowd, who think nothing of spending $5-20 a pop to buy spiffy new content and provides continuous cash for development rather than the boom and bust cycle of introducing stand alone add-on games.

There's also something to be said for the War Thunder or World of Tanks model, where you can pay to upgrade your airplane's weapons and loadouts. That is, everyone might get to fly the basic model P-51D, but if you want certain loadouts, like rockets, or rarities like 20mm cannons, then you have to pay extra.

[Furio]

Originally Posted by KG26_Alpha

Flight sim is the key word.

Agreed on that.
Another key word is “consensus”. As any thread can prove, and this one is no exception, general consensus simply doesn’t exist. I would love to be proved wrong, but I can’t believe that people with so different quality standards (and sometimes correctness standard) would unite in a great goodwill project to expand Il2. Besides different standards, there are different goals. Should the ultimate goal of this “Great Il2” be all missing theatres of WWII? Korean War? Spanish Civil War? And what about priorities? Which theatre comes first? Which planes, maps, features?

Any complex project requires someone who makes decisions. As I see it, TD is the only group that can guarantee this decisional level. Perhaps, the thread title should be more fittingly changed to: “Modders should unite under TD control”. I would love to see this happening, but I’m not holding my breath.

[KG26_Alpha]

One of the core reasons of conflict between 2 modding houses HSFX & UP was lack of consensus and standards.

Eventually one self destructed under its own inability to listen to the clients and force a particular mod to handle all online flying
by removing network code for CooP mode, the other survived and has continued its support for the community.

That said there were many other conflicts and ego's involved, it looked bad for a while.

TD would be the choice of leadership.

[BadAim]

It would seem that this is exactly what is happening. TD is building the base code to something better and stronger. HSFX gives an easy to install and stable base mod pack that is very conducive to SEOW and all sorts of online activities. SAS and Free modding give those who want to make their own choices about quantity v quality a venue for finding said mods. Hell those nutty Frenchmen are even building a new sim out of IL2 to satisfy "punch every button and flip every switch" types (oh, yeah I'll be getting my paws on that).

As often as not history tends to unfold itself despite anyone's intentions. Of course individual muckrakers can stick their rake in the works, as has happened before.

We'll see.