First Red Tail review..Told ya!

[ATAG_Snapper]

Originally Posted by David Hayward

Do you really not understand why the Germans play the role of the bad guys in movies about WW2?

That was not the point, as you hopefully must realize.

[David Hayward]

Originally Posted by ATAG_Snapper

That was not the point, as you hopefully must realize.

Yes, it is the point. The fact that some people still don't understand why it's the point is pretty astounding.

[pencon]

Of course I do David, but the german pilots were not nazis ,and i think it would be interesting to see the AIRWAR through their eyes as well as the allied side .Just watch A&E dogfights and youll see yet another depiction of hopeless german pilots . My point is Im sure they also got their number of allied kills . Not siding with nazis David , just looking for realism.Also it would allow for a closer view of german aircraft. So David if you fly a 109 in the sim does that make you a nazi?

[David Hayward]

Originally Posted by pencon

Of course I do David, but the german pilots were not nazis ,and i think it would be interesting to see the AIRWAR through their eyes as well as the allied side .Just watch A&E dogfights and youll see yet another depiction of hopeless german pilots . My point is Im sure they also got their number of allied kills . Not siding with nazis David , just looking for realism.Also it would allow for a closer view of german aircraft.

Whether or not they were Nazis has nothing to do with it. They were fighting on the same side as the Nazis, and they did so without any significant protest. They were on the wrong side of history, and it's going to take a long time for many people to forget that.

Originally Posted by pencon

So David if you fly a 109 in the sim does that make you a nazi?

Yeah, flying a 109 in a sim is just like helping Hitler invade most of Europe.

[Bewolf]

[pencon]

David you need to buy a sim of people sitting on the porch together sipping lemonade and having happy moments in the sunset .In your eyes I guess even today German people are all nazis right ?

[robtek]

David,

which such a simplified view at the past, as you have shown in the last posts, you can only be shure of one thing:

your pov is, while not completely wrong, definitely not right, in the real world.

The times of black and white are long gone!

[David Hayward]

Originally Posted by robtek

David,

which such a simplified view at the past, as you have shown in the last posts, you can only be shure of one thing:

your pov is, while not completely wrong, definitely not right, in the real world.

The times of black and white are long gone!

We're not talking about the real world. We're talking about movies. I think you'll find that the world view in most movies actually is "black and white". Complex bad guys are pretty rare. People tend to want their bad guys to be obviously bad.

[ATAG_Snapper]

Originally Posted by pencon

Of course I do David, but the german pilots were not nazis ,and i think it would be interesting to see the AIRWAR through their eyes as well as the allied side .Just watch A&E dogfights and youll see yet another depiction of hopeless german pilots . My point is Im sure they also got their number of allied kills . Not siding with nazis David , just looking for realism.Also it would allow for a closer view of german aircraft. So David if you fly a 109 in the sim does that make you a nazi?

@David The above WAS the point. I thought it was evident that not all Luftwaffe pilots were like the evil, sneering, duelling-scarred individual caricatured in the movie. If you believe they were, so be it.

[David Hayward]

Originally Posted by ATAG_Snapper

@David The above WAS the point. I thought it was evident that not all Luftwaffe pilots were like the evil, sneering, duelling-scarred individual caricatured in the movie. If you believe they were, so be it.

No, I don't believe they were. Nor does it matter what they were. The only thing that matters is that they were fighting on the same side as the Nazis. Therefor, they will always be the bad guys, That seems pretty simple, and also quite understandable.