First Red Tail review..Told ya!

[DoolittleRaider]

Originally Posted by swiss

Do you really think the average audience does base it's judgment on the FM of planes?
No, they don't.
This is a Popcorn Movie - personally I don't care either, the planes can handle like Space Shuttles for all I care, so what?
It's just fun.
Some of you guys are truly sorry nerds. Get a life.

Is it really necessary to go out of your way to start attacking other people ad hominem simply because they have a different opinion? That's what destroys so many threads on so many forums. I'm surprised at this coming from a Senior Member of the forum.

[swiss]

Originally Posted by DoolittleRaider

Is it really necessary to go out of your way to start attacking other people ad hominem simply because they have a different opinion?

They don't just have a different opinion, they try to force on the rest of the ppl.
In movies, tires even squeal on dust roads, that's wrong - so what?
Shoot a car tank and it explodes - so unrealistic!
Shoot a tire and the whole car drops 20inches, ouch.
...but it's fun, and sometimes even adds to the drama
It entertainment, simple as that. If I want to learn something the last place i would go to is the cinema. There TV channels like History Channnel and NG, made for exactly that.

I'm surprised at this coming from a Senior Member of the forum.

Huh? As sorry as I am, but I dont consider myself part of this "community".
I have certain hobbies, interests - some ppl here seem to have the same, that makes it a good place to share infos and ask questions - but it doesn't turen those ppl into friends.
BTW: The usage of "ad hominem in this context is wrong, as I am basically attacking the majority of the readers.

[DoolittleRaider]

Originally Posted by swiss

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BTW: The usage of "ad hominem in this context is wrong, as I am basically attacking the majority of the readers.

Majority or minority...neither has anything to do with it. Look up ad hominem. Here's one partial definition to get you started: "An attempt to argue against an opponent's idea by discrediting the opponent himself"...to wit, your resort to "Some of you guys are truly sorry nerds. Get a life."

Now I am done with it.

[Robert]

I'm going to go see it. Where else are you going to view 109s, P-51s, B-17s on a big screen? This kind of thing doesn't come around all the time, and I think it warrants a visit to the cinema by me. I've spent money on a lot worse junk in my life. Despite the innacuaracies and other complaints I'll enjoy it just for the ability to see the above mentioned.

We live in an "American/British/Scandanavia/Australia IDOL" kind of environment where the superficial is lauded more than the substantive. If it sizzles it has to be good, but when you get to the actually eating of the steak it's bland and tuff. Most don't care enough to separate the two. It's not just a symptom of Hollywood. It's universal IMO.

[VF101-jay]

I just went to see it tonight, as I have heard many say it was not the most accurate retelling of the squadron's history or depiction of markings or even engine and gun sounds, but it was an enjoyable movie and for me the errors weren't enough to draw me out of the story. In comparison to any movie about air war that we have had in the last 15 years, I would place it as good as any if not out in front. It was better than I expected, and I plan to add it to my collection when released on DVD, remember that it is a movie and not a documentary and I think you will like this movie.

[pencon]

Just once I would like to see a WW2 Air combat movie where ze germans arent depicted as complete Idiots and totally inept and evil all at the same time. I mean if they were really that useless and never got a kill the war would have lasted 6 months not 5 years.As someone mentioned earlier , the only realistic portrayal from the german point of view was "das Boot" .I would love to see a movie that portrayed BOTH sides and even the german pilots as human beings whipping through those B 17 formations through their eyes as well . That would have made a well rounded story .

[bongodriver]

Originally Posted by pencon

Just once I would like to see a WW2 Air combat movie where ze germans arent depicted as complete Idiots and totlly inept . I mean if they were really that useless and never got a kill the war would have lasted 6 months not 5 years.As somone mentioned earlier , the only realistic portrayal from the german point of view was "das Boot" .

Strange view, as far as I can tell the Germans are always depicted as very deviously intelligent and always manage to kill someone, if they didn't it would make it hard to 'hate' them, I've never seen a film where Germans are portrayed as 'innept'......just evil.

[David Hayward]

Originally Posted by pencon

Just once I would like to see a WW2 Air combat movie where ze germans arent depicted as complete Idiots and totally inept and evil all at the same time. I mean if they were really that useless and never got a kill the war would have lasted 6 months not 5 years.As someone mentioned earlier , the only realistic portrayal from the german point of view was "das Boot" .I would love to see a movie that portrayed BOTH sides and even the german pilots as human beings whipping through those B 17 formations through their eyes as well . That would have made a well rounded story .

Do you really not understand why the Germans play the role of the bad guys in movies about WW2?

[ATAG_Snapper]

Originally Posted by David Hayward

Do you really not understand why the Germans play the role of the bad guys in movies about WW2?

That was not the point, as you hopefully must realize.

[Kupsised]

Originally Posted by pencon

Just once I would like to see a WW2 Air combat movie where ze germans arent depicted as complete Idiots and totally inept and evil all at the same time. I mean if they were really that useless and never got a kill the war would have lasted 6 months not 5 years.As someone mentioned earlier , the only realistic portrayal from the german point of view was "das Boot" .I would love to see a movie that portrayed BOTH sides and even the german pilots as human beings whipping through those B 17 formations through their eyes as well . That would have made a well rounded story .

I think the Battle of Britain does a fairly good job of that, although of course the main focus is on the RAF so there is not much of it, but the German scenes do a lot to make them more 'human' than most portrayals. For example, the scene where they are sat round the table for dinner with candles marking the missing, or the fact that you actually see the German pilots, not only outside but also inside their aircraft, and showing a lot of emotion as well. And the fact that there is more dialouge than the Commando Comic style 'Gott im himmel!' and 'Die, Schwein!'

Either way, you're right, I wish more films like Das Boot, or even games in a similar vein would be made about other things, air, land and sea, to help people realise that the German soldiers/airmen were not all Nazi's, were not all awful and at the end of the day were human beings, rather than one-dimensional, one-size-fits-all 'baddies' or just sprites for the 'goodies' to shoot at.