First Red Tail review..Told ya!

[Ribbs67]

You Guys Kill me!... How about you go and see the movie for the entertainment, and to pay respect to the brave men that flew these machines! (Both German and American)Is this a true representation of what a real P-51 could do in real life? NO! Is it a Made for the BIG Screen Hollywood production with crazy fight scenes and Big explosions! Yeah... Why you ask??? Because it costs over a 100 million to make, and they wouldn't even come close to making money catering to our Flight Sim niche group. Of course we would love to see real aircraft in aerial ballet...The Mass audience doesn't care about the stall speed of the P-51.. or that the markings on the 109's aren't correct...Its about telling a story and making money...and maybe not in that order..heh
And while im on the subject, whats with all the American Bashing that has been going on? I might not post on here very much, but Im on here almost every day.. I usually dont post, unless im trying to help a fellow player with something in the game. Ill be the first one to tell you that Im no expert at flying, nor am I a historian... But It has really made me upset with the amount of animosity I see towards us. Im sure there has been crappy comments from Americans in these Forums(and I hate to see that).. but its not hard to find someone taking a jab at us..Especially when anything "American" is brought up...just an observation..


352ndRibbs

[Herbs107]

Well said Ribbs.. The little news storey below is interesting regarding Mr Lucas.

http://finance.ninemsn.com.au/newsbu...s-hes-retiring

[ElAurens]

Anyone who has the slightest knowledge of WW2 aviation knew this movie was going to be bad, on many levels.


And just for the sake of historical accuracy...

The 99th. lost 25 B17s that they were escorting, they did not have a perfect record in this regard, unlike the mythology that has built up around them.


Just once I'd like to see a film about WW2 aviation that was as good as Das Boot, and I don't really care which side it would be about.

[Richie]

I think any thing now that has a prayer of being accurate has do be made independently or made in another country. I thought this little film wasn't bad as far as historic value and lets say lack of Hollywood SIS-BOOM-BAH let's getm team stuff. They were stationed in North Africa witch was different and the 109s were right on camouflage wise and shape. They look like JG52 G10s. Too early for those I think but they look good.


http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1558575/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8y83r...1&feature=plcp

[Ataros]

Originally Posted by ElAurens

Just once I'd like to see a film about WW2 aviation that was as good as Das Boot, and I don't really care which side it would be about.

This one is the best from a VVS perspective.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ud0ofWIg_cs

(aircrafts are not historical except for Po-2/U-2)

[bw_wolverine]

I watched an interview with George Lucas about the film and he said that he was trying to get this story out to the masses to showcase the heroism of the tuskegee airmen, 'real american heroes' as it were.

However, I think the amount of 'bending' of reality in this film is going to hurt that intention. It just makes the story seem less believable and I bet a lot of people are going to come away from the movie saying "yeah yeah, but that's not really what happened". And no, it isn't what happened (or so it sounds like), but the opportunity to get this story to the public in any real and meaningful way will be lost.

This film SHOULD have been made as real as they could have made it. It should have been done in the style of Band of Brothers. Hell, it would have been better served even if they'd done it in the style of Memphis Belle. I'll probably see it, but I'll wait til it's rentable.

[DoolittleRaider]

Originally Posted by ElAurens

Anyone who has the slightest knowledge of WW2 aviation knew this movie was going to be bad, on many levels.

Correct. I live in Vegas and wish they would have taken wagers on Redtails being Crap.

And just for the sake of historical accuracy...

The 99th. lost 25 B17s that they were escorting, they did not have a perfect record in this regard, unlike the mythology that has built up around them.

Correct. The myth that "they never lost an escorted Bomber" lasted for six decades...Still, I was surprised that the trailer for Redtails didn't repeat that myth.

Just once I'd like to see a film about WW2 aviation that was as good as Das Boot, and I don't really care which side it would be about.

See the Czech movie "Dark Blue World" about Czechs in RAF in BoB.

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by Ribbs67

You Guys Kill me!... How about you go and see the movie for the entertainment, and to pay respect to the brave men that flew these machines! (Both German and American)Is this a true representation of what a real P-51 could do in real life? NO! Is it a Made for the BIG Screen Hollywood production with crazy fight scenes and Big explosions! Yeah... Why you ask??? Because it costs over a 100 million to make, and they wouldn't even come close to making money catering to our Flight Sim niche group. Of course we would love to see real aircraft in aerial ballet...The Mass audience doesn't care about the stall speed of the P-51.. or that the markings on the 109's aren't correct...Its about telling a story and making money...and maybe not in that order..heh

On a general line I agree, but it still surprises me how, with all the "experts" out there, they still manage to make gross mistakes (i.e. the colours/models of Bf109s in the movie).

And while im on the subject, whats with all the American Bashing that has been going on? I might not post on here very much, but Im on here almost every day.. I usually dont post, unless im trying to help a fellow player with something in the game. Ill be the first one to tell you that Im no expert at flying, nor am I a historian... But It has really made me upset with the amount of animosity I see towards us. Im sure there has been crappy comments from Americans in these Forums(and I hate to see that).. but its not hard to find someone taking a jab at us..Especially when anything "American" is brought up...just an observation..


352ndRibbs

[Bewolf]

Originally Posted by Ribbs67

You Guys Kill me!... How about you go and see the movie for the entertainment, and to pay respect to the brave men that flew these machines! (Both German and American)Is this a true representation of what a real P-51 could do in real life? NO! Is it a Made for the BIG Screen Hollywood production with crazy fight scenes and Big explosions! Yeah... Why you ask??? Because it costs over a 100 million to make, and they wouldn't even come close to making money catering to our Flight Sim niche group. Of course we would love to see real aircraft in aerial ballet...The Mass audience doesn't care about the stall speed of the P-51.. or that the markings on the 109's aren't correct...Its about telling a story and making money...and maybe not in that order..heh
And while im on the subject, whats with all the American Bashing that has been going on? I might not post on here very much, but Im on here almost every day.. I usually dont post, unless im trying to help a fellow player with something in the game. Ill be the first one to tell you that Im no expert at flying, nor am I a historian... But It has really made me upset with the amount of animosity I see towards us. Im sure there has been crappy comments from Americans in these Forums(and I hate to see that).. but its not hard to find someone taking a jab at us..Especially when anything "American" is brought up...just an observation..


352ndRibbs

Sorry if anything came over the wrong way. My post probably sounded more negative then it was intended to be. The basic assertion stil stands, however, not as a slab, but simply because it is what it is.

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

On a general line I agree, but it still surprises me how, with all the "experts" out there, they still manage to make gross mistakes (i.e. the colours/models of Bf109s in the movie).

The sad part is, those changes are most likely intentional, exactly because there so many experts out there.
Then again, if you look at Lucas film making records, most movies are of the simple kind, more catering to a naive, younger or family target group. Strong soundtracks, simple black and white views with a clear message and in the end the good guys win. It's a feel good movie for a the average guys, not WW2 experts. I suppose with the ongoing financial crisis this is exactly what a lot of people need right now.
As said before, think Indiana Jones or Star Wars here and you will "get" this movie.

[Kodoss]

7 minutes trailer...


for thouse who might be disapointed:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hs8D6zwQhxs

it's only a movie.

PS: has anyone of you noticed the oil-brake on the harley?

Edit: found in the wides of the net...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVDbBaC2254