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Old 12-23-2009, 03:09 AM
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There's two kinds of turning "better," turn radius and turn rate. Planes like Yaks have their highest turn rate at higher speeds, thus higher turn radius, than planes like spits and hurricanes. In reality they both had about the same max sustained turn rate, but in BOP the spit can do about 1 or 2 seconds better.

In BOP the spit and la5 have about equal max sustained, but for the la5 it's at a higher speed. So it turns a bigger circle, but it still goes full circle in the same period of time. If you keep an la5 at its max sustained speed, a spit won't gain angles in a turn chase. It might get a shot eventually because of its turn radius, but if you stay fast and keep your eye on the slower plane, you can jink at the right moment. Most spit pilots will slow down to minimize their turn radius looking for the quick shot, and in doing so they end up going below their ideal turn speed and turn slower. That is when the faster plane turns the corner and gets the advantage.

The yak-3's corner speed is somewhere between 320 and 370. faster than that, you'll turn faster with low throttle; slower, with full throttle. But not sharper. A yak-3 can turn as sharp as a spitfire, but not as fast when doing so.
It depends on the Spitfire though. The Yak-3 could turn faster than a Spit 1-V, and equal to the IX while the Griffons and others, probably not as fast but sharper definitely.
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Old 12-23-2009, 07:43 AM
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That's possible that it could turn a lower radius, but it would lose angles because of its higher wing loading, I doubt its ROT can compete at that speed. Even though its real-life ROT is just as good but at somewhat higher speed. If going to low radius doesn't get it a quick kill, it's in a bad position. Better to let the slow plane make that mistake, then pound it from above when it's too slow to climb. A Spifire going around in slow flat circles is a welcome sight to any fast plane

I haven't seen EM charts for yak-3, maybe I will try to find one.

I got bored and drew a couple diagrams about haitch's questions, next time I'm bored I'll scan and post them.

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Old 12-23-2009, 01:56 PM
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That's possible that it could turn a lower radius, but it would lose angles because of its higher wing loading, I doubt its ROT can compete at that speed. Even though its real-life ROT is just as good but at somewhat higher speed. If going to low radius doesn't get it a quick kill, it's in a bad position. Better to let the slow plane make that mistake, then pound it from above when it's too slow to climb. A Spifire going around in slow flat circles is a welcome sight to any fast plane

I haven't seen EM charts for yak-3, maybe I will try to find one.

I got bored and drew a couple diagrams about haitch's questions, next time I'm bored I'll scan and post them.
Spitfires have very good energy retention through manoeuvres, and good acceleration/climb, so if an experienced player is flying the Spit you are't likely to catch it low and slow.
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Old 12-24-2009, 12:10 AM
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Spitfires have very good energy retention through manoeuvres, and good acceleration/climb, so if an experienced player is flying the Spit you are't likely to catch it low and slow.
You are in a ground level BOP-style furball. There's always Spits crawling around on the ground after each other like a slow centipede.

Once they're that slow, they've got no energy left to retain.
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Old 12-24-2009, 12:46 AM
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hurricane

nuff said.

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Old 12-24-2009, 09:47 AM
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hurricane

nuff said.

lol the hurri is good but 2 prbs
1. its too slow realy for my liking
2. it can be out turned by certain faster aircraft (all later ones though)
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Old 12-24-2009, 06:38 PM
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U guys are awesome! Question for ya. The Yak 3 and the Yak 9t appear to fly the same to me. With the exception of firing the guns. The 9t vibrates all over the place. The big gun probably, but the armament says its a ony a 20 30 mm. I was thinking of using the 3 in snowy conditions and the 9t in summer conditions. The camo doesn't work the other way around. So is the 9t as good as the 3? And is the supposed bigger cannon a plus on the 9? Or just screw it and fly somethen else.
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