First Red Tail review..Told ya!

[pencon]

Just once I would like to see a WW2 Air combat movie where ze germans arent depicted as complete Idiots and totally inept and evil all at the same time. I mean if they were really that useless and never got a kill the war would have lasted 6 months not 5 years.As someone mentioned earlier , the only realistic portrayal from the german point of view was "das Boot" .I would love to see a movie that portrayed BOTH sides and even the german pilots as human beings whipping through those B 17 formations through their eyes as well . That would have made a well rounded story .

[bongodriver]

Originally Posted by pencon

Just once I would like to see a WW2 Air combat movie where ze germans arent depicted as complete Idiots and totlly inept . I mean if they were really that useless and never got a kill the war would have lasted 6 months not 5 years.As somone mentioned earlier , the only realistic portrayal from the german point of view was "das Boot" .

Strange view, as far as I can tell the Germans are always depicted as very deviously intelligent and always manage to kill someone, if they didn't it would make it hard to 'hate' them, I've never seen a film where Germans are portrayed as 'innept'......just evil.

[David Hayward]

Originally Posted by pencon

Just once I would like to see a WW2 Air combat movie where ze germans arent depicted as complete Idiots and totally inept and evil all at the same time. I mean if they were really that useless and never got a kill the war would have lasted 6 months not 5 years.As someone mentioned earlier , the only realistic portrayal from the german point of view was "das Boot" .I would love to see a movie that portrayed BOTH sides and even the german pilots as human beings whipping through those B 17 formations through their eyes as well . That would have made a well rounded story .

Do you really not understand why the Germans play the role of the bad guys in movies about WW2?

[ATAG_Snapper]

Originally Posted by David Hayward

Do you really not understand why the Germans play the role of the bad guys in movies about WW2?

That was not the point, as you hopefully must realize.

[David Hayward]

Originally Posted by ATAG_Snapper

That was not the point, as you hopefully must realize.

Yes, it is the point. The fact that some people still don't understand why it's the point is pretty astounding.

[pencon]

Of course I do David, but the german pilots were not nazis ,and i think it would be interesting to see the AIRWAR through their eyes as well as the allied side .Just watch A&E dogfights and youll see yet another depiction of hopeless german pilots . My point is Im sure they also got their number of allied kills . Not siding with nazis David , just looking for realism.Also it would allow for a closer view of german aircraft. So David if you fly a 109 in the sim does that make you a nazi?

[David Hayward]

Originally Posted by pencon

Of course I do David, but the german pilots were not nazis ,and i think it would be interesting to see the AIRWAR through their eyes as well as the allied side .Just watch A&E dogfights and youll see yet another depiction of hopeless german pilots . My point is Im sure they also got their number of allied kills . Not siding with nazis David , just looking for realism.Also it would allow for a closer view of german aircraft.

Whether or not they were Nazis has nothing to do with it. They were fighting on the same side as the Nazis, and they did so without any significant protest. They were on the wrong side of history, and it's going to take a long time for many people to forget that.

Originally Posted by pencon

So David if you fly a 109 in the sim does that make you a nazi?

Yeah, flying a 109 in a sim is just like helping Hitler invade most of Europe.

[Bewolf]

[pencon]

David you need to buy a sim of people sitting on the porch together sipping lemonade and having happy moments in the sunset .In your eyes I guess even today German people are all nazis right ?

[robtek]

David,

which such a simplified view at the past, as you have shown in the last posts, you can only be shure of one thing:

your pov is, while not completely wrong, definitely not right, in the real world.

The times of black and white are long gone!