British FM killing the fun of the game for allied pilots.

[ATAG_Dutch]

Originally Posted by Crumpp

I don't see any difference between them when I play. Have you recorded the Hurricanes stability characteristics?

The Spitfire in game as tested is both static and dynamically stable, something the real aircraft was not.


The issue is will correcting one set of FM parameters make or a more realistic simulation or not? The aircraft represented in the game were on equal footing as dogfighters in the actual battle we are simulating.

I don't think making a frankenplane out of one side is going to accurately represent relative dogfighting capabililties.

Originally Posted by ATAG_Dutch

please, unless you are prepared to test this specific issue for yourself, with whichever aircraft you'd like, stop quoting my responses in an attempt to argue issues which have been argued before.

My thanks.

[Crumpp]

unless you are prepared to test this specific issue for yourself

MMMM, I thought it was clear, it was tested.

[Crumpp]

So many of these problems could be related to pilot error. I damage the E3 engine many times when I am not paying attention to what I am doing

Exactly.

1. Without a good set of operating instructions, we will never know if the engine is being damaged.

2. My personal feelings are it is not very realistic at all to have airplanes that speed, climb, and turn but don't fly like the real thing. It will really distort the relative dogfighting abilities adding frankenplanes.

[5./JG27.Farber]

Originally Posted by VO101_Tom

The 3th point also worth a bugtracker ticket...

+1

[Osprey]

Originally Posted by Ze-Jamz

#sigh

Edit..

Won't waste my time

I was replying to Crumpp, He must've deleted his post because when I posted it mine was directly afterwards. I should've quoted him, poor form from him.

He made some bizarre comment about Spitfires, Hurricanes and FM's, I forget now, but it was nonsense.

EDIT: Here it is:

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showpos...&postcount=216

Looks like he removed his first post, posted again after me and then edited it all into one.

[Osprey]

Originally Posted by Crumpp

I don't see any difference between them when I play. Have you recorded the Hurricanes stability characteristics?

<snip>

I don't think making a frankenplane out of one side is going to accurately represent relative dogfighting capabililties.

Really? No difference? This says a lot about your 'feel' because there's a world of difference.

The second part, he never suggested that, we want 2 models which are reasonably representative of each, + the 109 versions. By representative I mean reasonable accuracy on speed, ROC, roll and turn at respective heights and speeds. Followed by reasonably representative DM's for each type of weapon.

I suspect that you'll have an argument for that, ask for all that rot which degenerates the thread.

You misunderstand the term frankenplane btw. It was coined from the practice of producing a particular type by using model files from pieces of another type which are similar enough. The FM was never pieced together like that, they are new files.

[Ze-Jamz]

Originally Posted by Osprey

I was replying to Crumpp, He must've deleted his post because when I posted it mine was directly afterwards. I should've quoted him, poor form from him.

He made some bizarre comment about Spitfires, Hurricanes and FM's, I forget now, but it was nonsense.

EDIT: Here it is:

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showpos...&postcount=216

Looks like he removed his first post, posted again after me and then edited it all into one.

Haha..no worries, I just glad I edited it now then

[Kurfürst]

Originally Posted by VO101_Tom

The 3th point also worth a bugtracker ticket...

+2

[Crumpp]

This says a lot about your 'feel' because there's a world of difference.
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Osprey,

It is defineable and measureable, characteristic.

It is not based on a subjective opinion.

You misunderstand the term frankenplane btw.

Sorry, I am not up on my gaming lingo.

What is the correct term for a FM that is overmodelled in its capabilities?

[ATAG_Dutch]

Originally Posted by VO101_Tom

The 3th point also worth a bugtracker ticket...

+3