SHOOTING at the OLYMPICS

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Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

I dunno what's more deluded, the fact that you wanna save the whole of the humanity (which, as hard as it is, is just against nature), or the fact that you still think that all this is because of guns.

There is a difference between reckonging the problem of human nature and adjust to it opposite to actually celebrate the worse parts. If you start actually taking it easy then I do not see any difference to those people comitting those crimes. If at all you support their attitude. Because it is also human nature to act within the confines set by their environment. A more altruistic society "will" produce less crime then a cynical one. That is not utopia, that is obvious if you compare modern states.

If people want to change something, they gotta lead by example. But that is an attitude that is more and more amiss these days, as everybody gets down to "my life, f*uck the rest, their own darn fault." I do not think we ever lived in such cynical times as the current one.

The problem is human nature and abuse of free will. Nobody forces you to become a criminal, it's down to whether you can deal with being "the baddie" or not.

Right in the first part of the sentence, wrong in the second part. Nobody "choses" to be a criminal. I yet have to find a single person who himself would consider the "baddie". Eveybody has justifications for his actions. Expecting that all these people have the education and more important "will" to follow society as a whole is what is delusional.

Ppl grow into the situation they are into. WHen a person only expiriences crap in his life then how the heck to you expect these pople to develop a positive attitude? It is not only unrelaistic, it's outright dishonest for purely lazyness reasons.

In the end of the day it's about society values: people that can't get wealthy honestly and are ready to compromise with their conscience will do so.
And as you can imagine many do, and often convince themselves that deep inside they do it for a good reason, but it doesn't change the fact that their misconduct might take them in front of a barrel, an electric chair or a jail.

Absolutely, but as you know, everybody makes mistakes. That, too, is human nature. And if you never had someone in your life actually telling you how things work, then the question comes up again, how can you expect these people to fit in. Crime rate actually is a very nice pointer to the state of any given society. And as much some people want to push that away, every individual is responsible for what is going on in a society as a whole.

You hear of a lot of young criminals, but the ones who age well and manage to retire are few and far between, because it's a life that takes its toll on you, mentally and physically.

Absolutely, and that is exactly the reason why I gotta laugh at the notion that people actually "chose" that route. In fact, in most cases it is a last ditch effort because people simply do not know how to help themselves. Show me one human being that is inherently "evil" from the get go on and I may change my mind, but most people simply become this way due to expiriences and what their social environment teaches them.

Guns play a role in that of course, but before guns there were knives, sticks, ropes, swords.. a gun is a tool, but there's a difference to it: it can balance things out. In situations where normally the victim's chance of survivability would be very low (like in the article I posted before), the possibility to have a gun will bring things to a more potentially balance level.

which brings us back to the original topic and how much easier guns make killing. By all sides insolved. As I already said before, teh root causes may be differnt, but guns fuel the fire by a margin. Especially in a society that celebrates killing. You gotta wonder why people are so upset about criminals killing others when it is exactly that what society subconciously teaches them from the get go, coupled with "help yourself" and "only do what is good for yourself, with disregard to others". Here only the definition who deserves to be killed is what makes the difference.

Besides it's the good old "beware of dog" deterrent: if the person in front of you potentially has a concealed weapon you'll think twice before attacking her or being rude.
The big problem with anti-social behaviour in the UK is because the scum knows that people (and the police for the matter) are not ready to tackle or face such thing when it happens on a large scale, and the brainless law system often means they can get away with it..

No, you do not. That would require thoughtful being witha keen eye on their surroundings. But such people usually do not become criminals. And when you talk about the scum in the UK; you might want to find out how this scum developed. Those "chavs" and other folks don't just rain from the air during a bad day.

I had a neighbour here that was arrested because he grabbed a teen that he saw scratching his car. He didn't hit him, he only grabbed his arm, but he got arrested for assault to a minor. Go figure...

THAT is a whole different problem. I agree, in many ways ppl are too soft these days. However, one extreme does not justify the other.