SHOOTING at the OLYMPICS

[Outlaw]

Originally Posted by Bewolf

I yet have to meet a single person fully capable of reaching that.

Then, for you, choice does not exist at all so, like raaaid and his matrix theory, there's no point in even attempting to make a point.

However, in the real world where the rest of us live, if he can kick my door in or walk away, he has a choice.

--Outlaw.

[Bewolf]

Originally Posted by Outlaw

Then, for you, choice does not exist at all so, like raaaid and his matrix theory, there's no point in even attempting to make a point.

However, in the real world where the rest of us live, if he can kick my door in or walk away, he has a choice.

--Outlaw.

Bullocks. Choice certainly does exist. Simply not as that almighty descision tool you make it out to be. If that were the case, please tell me why in religions hardly anyone decides to join another religion, despite each religion claiming being the best one?

Ppl have much less choice in life then you might think, and that ceretainly is not covered by either/or, black and white, only the extremes views.

[Outlaw]

Originally Posted by Bewolf

Bullocks. Choice certainly does exist. Simply not as that almighty descision tool you make it out to be. If that were the case, please tell me why in religions hardly anyone decides to join another religion, despite each religion claiming being the best one?

Ppl have much less choice in life then you might think, and that ceretainly is not covered by either/or, black and white, only the extremes views.

My bad, I misinterpreted your use of the word "will" to mean "free will". You meant it in the context of willpower.

Similarly, you misinterpreted Stern's use of the word "will" to mean willpower when he meant, "free will".

However, your statement that no one, "choses", to be a criminal is, for the reasons I stated, completely unsupportable.

Furthermore, I never said anything about the nature of any choice, almighty or otherwise.

--Outlaw.

[Bewolf]

Originally Posted by Outlaw

My bad, I misinterpreted your use of the word "will" to mean "free will". You meant it in the context of willpower.

Similarly, you misinterpreted Stern's use of the word "will" to mean willpower when he meant, "free will".

However, your statement that no one, "choses", to be a criminal is, for the reasons I stated, completely unsupportable.

Furthermore, I never said anything about the nature of any choice, almighty or otherwise.

--Outlaw.

That may have been indeed the problem. I was talking willpower indeed, Over here, despite the existence of the word willenskraft, it basicly covers both meanings.
Will does not work without willpower.

WHen I talk about criminal, then I do so in the morale sense, not the legal.

[Outlaw]

Originally Posted by Bewolf

WHen I talk about criminal, then I do so in the morale sense, not the legal.

I could care less about his moral stance or what led to his putting my life in danger. My only concern is the ACTUAL threat he is at that time, not whether he "means" it or not. Because, in the end, I may be dead whether he meant to kill me or not. At that point in time, it matters not to me that his momma beat him or his daddy didn't love him, or he's on drugs, etc. When he chooses to partake in the activity that endangers me all that goes out the door. Whether that choice is an immediate one at that instant in time or ultimately took place years ago is irrelevant to me at that instant.


--Outlaw.

[Bewolf]

Originally Posted by Outlaw

I could care less about his moral stance or what led to his putting my life in danger. My only concern is the ACTUAL threat he is at that time, not whether he "means" it or not. Because, in the end, I may be dead whether he meant to kill me or not. At that point in time, it matters not to me that his momma beat him or his daddy didn't love him, or he's on drugs, etc. When he chooses to partake in the activity that endangers me all that goes out the door. Whether that choice is an immediate one at that instant in time or ultimately took place years ago is irrelevant to me at that instant.

--Outlaw.

That is fine and great and I am sincerely sure you will sleep well after that.
Or you could support some local streetworkers or employment or education initiatives, or even a local sports club, so that you won't risk to get into a situation where you do not have your gun pointed at the attacker before he has.

[Outlaw]

Originally Posted by Bewolf

Or you could support some local streetworkers or employment or education initiatives, or even a local sports club, so that you won't risk to get into a situation where you do not have your gun pointed at the attacker before he has.

Why do you assume I don't?

As a subset, I support...

Covenant House
Houston Food Bank
Operation Smile
Doctors Without Borders
National Wildlife Fund
World Wildlife Fund
Wounded Warriors
United American Patriots
Houston SPCA
FOP
Multiple American Indian Education Charities
and about sixteen others I can't recall off the top of my head.

Rest assured it takes me quite a while to do my tax return.

And yet, DESPITE all that, some schmuck may still CHOSE to murder me, or my sister, brother, girl-friend, father, mother, neighbor, old high school teacher, YOU, etc..

And it won't matter one bit whether or not he really MEANT to do it.

--Outlaw.

[Bewolf]

My honest respect, Outlaw.

I take back that last statement, even though you deleted your post for understandable reasons.

edit: can't even find Andy in the Member List anymore. All posts here deleted.

See ya in the air, guys.