Fresh stuff from sukhoi.ru (Discussion)

[robtek]

I think the one most important point the "abandoned" crowd is missing is that there is no money to build this nice shiny additional content for the BoB!!!!

Where should it come from? From the abundant sales, enforced by great reviews, whining boards and the sorry state of the game in the beginning?

Which sane business man would throw away money in a closed project stage that wont gain any additional income.

The only way to get additional content for the BoB would be a full priced expansion pack, maybe with a map from northeast england to norway, The Bf110 D and some British bombers and ships to recreate the unsuccessful British invasion in Norway.

[furbs]

Originally Posted by robtek

I think the one most important point the "abandoned" crowd is missing is that there is no money to build this nice shiny additional content for the BoB!!!!

Just a idea, maybe it should of come with the release after 5+ years of development or the 15 months since, just MHO of course.

They ran out of money (7 mill for development) because the sim wasn't and still isn't good enough, it got panned on release by the critics and quite rightly, so it didn't sell enough units.
The fault lies in the almost 10 years of terrible badly managed development time, where the money was chucked in the bin and then the 2 years of rushed catch up time to get the half finished botched poor excuse for a BOB sim release out the door that we see now.

[albx]

so, where is the most anticipated revelation about the MMO paytoplay, paytowin, paypal, bankaccount, suckmyblood ??

[robtek]

Originally Posted by furbs

Just a idea, maybe it should of come with the release after 5+ years of development or the 15 months since, just MHO of course.

They ran out of money (7 mill for development) because the sim wasn't and still isn't good enough, it got panned on release by the critics and quite rightly, so it didn't sell enough units.
The fault lies in the almost 10 years of terrible badly managed development time, where the money was chucked in the bin and then the 2 years of rushed catch up time to get the half finished botched poor excuse for a BOB sim release out the door that we see now.

Regurgitation, as yammering, doesn't help anybody, and second guessing business and management decisions without deeper knowledge of interna is plain frivolous propaganda.
imho.

[furbs]

Originally Posted by robtek

Regurgitation, as yammering, doesn't help anybody, and second guessing business and management decisions without deeper knowledge of interna is plain frivolous propaganda.
imho.

Just explaining it to you rob, you was the one telling us they ran out of money.

[kendo65]

Originally Posted by robtek

I think the one most important point the "abandoned" crowd is missing is that there is no money to build this nice shiny additional content for the BoB!!!!

Where should it come from? From the abundant sales, enforced by great reviews, whining boards and the sorry state of the game in the beginning?

Which sane business man would throw away money in a closed project stage that wont gain any additional income.

The only way to get additional content for the BoB would be a full priced expansion pack, maybe with a map from northeast england to norway, The Bf110 D and some British bombers and ships to recreate the unsuccessful British invasion in Norway.

Probably all true. The situation we've ended up in was not the plan that's for sure.

I'm still aware of the potential of this sim. I've ripped into it in these posts over the aspects that are bad but I'm aware of the current good points - quality of the cockpits, damage modelling, etc and I'm aware of the breadth of detail and vision behind the whole concept.

When (if?) they finally get this together (hopefully with BOM) with full dynamic weather and everything working as it should the results could be fantastic.

It's the awareness of that and the fact that the early screw-ups and problems have mangled my expectation of COD being the ultimate Battle of Britain sim that makes the disappointment worse. The mess-ups have ruined the possibilities for COD and turned it into little more than an extended prototype and testing ground for development of the engine. 5 years into the future if this sim matures and we have a really great Russian Front, Mediterranean and maybe even the Pacific the fact that the COD/ Battle of Britain instalment will (without further work) be the 'ugly duckling' of the series is difficult for me to accept. It's become such a squandered opportunity to make a great game about a battle that many of us (Brits especially) had real interest and passion for.

If the community don't remedy the problems my only hope is that when the devs come to revisit the western front to bring us into 41-43 they could provide map improvements and extra features that would flesh it all out, but it's a big disappointment to be asked to wait that long.

[6S.Tamat]

I only know that the first rule of any kind of business is customer care. Clod coul be a good negative example.
For sure i would be happy to flight the new sim, but the time is going on and the simulator is not following. The lies and the failure in the communication strategy of the team are not helping at all.

[philip.ed]

Originally Posted by ACE-OF-ACES

Is what I said


To which I say DUH

Yawn. I said it as well, but you have to try to be so condescending all the time you can't see the forest for the trees.

Indeed, when I said that, by going into new territory at this stage, the situation with regards to their strategy is different than before, you said:

"blah blah blah... because they went into new territory with the likes of Pacific fighters it is the same...So even that analogy of yours does not apply"

So it's nice to see we've finally convinced you to change your mind.

Wow, maybe we should bookmark this date? AoA changes his mind!

[Baron]

Originally Posted by albx

so, where is the most anticipated revelation about the MMO paytoplay, paytowin, paypal, bankaccount, suckmyblood ??

I think the most anticipated feature would be "suckmyblood and ill be happy taking it through the backdoor on a regular monthly basis". But i wouldnt call it a revelation.

[JG53Frankyboy]

Originally Posted by Ataros

MMO may change the old add-on approach. But engine remains mostly the same probably........

exactly that is it. all old announcements MIGHT BE obsolete! We just have to wait the official words about this MMO stuff. business planes change sometimes...........