Fresh stuff from sukhoi.ru (Discussion)

[furbs]

Originally Posted by robtek

I think the one most important point the "abandoned" crowd is missing is that there is no money to build this nice shiny additional content for the BoB!!!!

Just a idea, maybe it should of come with the release after 5+ years of development or the 15 months since, just MHO of course.

They ran out of money (7 mill for development) because the sim wasn't and still isn't good enough, it got panned on release by the critics and quite rightly, so it didn't sell enough units.
The fault lies in the almost 10 years of terrible badly managed development time, where the money was chucked in the bin and then the 2 years of rushed catch up time to get the half finished botched poor excuse for a BOB sim release out the door that we see now.

[albx]

so, where is the most anticipated revelation about the MMO paytoplay, paytowin, paypal, bankaccount, suckmyblood ??

[Baron]

Originally Posted by albx

so, where is the most anticipated revelation about the MMO paytoplay, paytowin, paypal, bankaccount, suckmyblood ??

I think the most anticipated feature would be "suckmyblood and ill be happy taking it through the backdoor on a regular monthly basis". But i wouldnt call it a revelation.

[robtek]

Originally Posted by furbs

Just a idea, maybe it should of come with the release after 5+ years of development or the 15 months since, just MHO of course.

They ran out of money (7 mill for development) because the sim wasn't and still isn't good enough, it got panned on release by the critics and quite rightly, so it didn't sell enough units.
The fault lies in the almost 10 years of terrible badly managed development time, where the money was chucked in the bin and then the 2 years of rushed catch up time to get the half finished botched poor excuse for a BOB sim release out the door that we see now.

Regurgitation, as yammering, doesn't help anybody, and second guessing business and management decisions without deeper knowledge of interna is plain frivolous propaganda.
imho.

[furbs]

Originally Posted by robtek

Regurgitation, as yammering, doesn't help anybody, and second guessing business and management decisions without deeper knowledge of interna is plain frivolous propaganda.
imho.

Just explaining it to you rob, you was the one telling us they ran out of money.

[Thee_oddball]

Originally Posted by furbs

Just a idea, maybe it should of come with the release after 5+ years of development or the 15 months since, just MHO of course.

They ran out of money (7 mill for development) because the sim wasn't and still isn't good enough, it got panned on release by the critics and quite rightly, so it didn't sell enough units.
The fault lies in the almost 10 years of terrible badly managed development time, where the money was chucked in the bin and then the 2 years of rushed catch up time to get the half finished botched poor excuse for a BOB sim release out the door that we see now.

i don't think there was 5 years development. 1.5 years? for the CLOD engine , I think they scraped the original SOW engine.

2/10/2010 "were STARTING a whole game engine from SCRATCH" Ilya

plus what there playing looks alot like the preview from the CD

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xoz1Kb2wkPE

[klem]

Originally Posted by Thee_oddball

i don't think there was 5 years development. 1.5 years? for the CLOD engine , I think they scraped the original SOW engine.

2/10/2010 "were STARTING a whole game engine from SCRATCH" Ilya

plus what there playing looks alot like the preview from the CD

I think that's generally correct. Something was happening during the last year or two before release and what we have is definitely not the product of 7 years development unless it was wandering woefully in the wilderness. Also, in that video, most if not all was taken from IL-2 1946. It has always given me the feeling that either the guts were ripped out of it for some reason (<enter political/finacial/skulduggery reason here> or it was started again from scratch around late 2009/2010.

[philip.ed]

Actually, the game Luthier is playing there is the current one. This was right before they started installing the current landscape features, Luthier himself saying that parts of the current landscape could actually be seen in the video. They weren't happy to have to do it as the game was no where near ready for testing (as the choppy FPS shows).

[Jaws2002]

Originally Posted by klem

I think that's generally correct. Something was happening during the last year or two before release and what we have is definitely not the product of 7 years development unless it was wandering woefully in the wilderness. Also, in that video, most if not all was taken from IL-2 1946. It has always given me the feeling that either the guts were ripped out of it for some reason (<enter political/finacial/skulduggery reason here> or it was started again from scratch around late 2009/2010.

I know that sometimes during 2009-2010 they fired/lost a few key programers, including their main programer that worked on Il-2 and designed a big chunk of the new game engine. It looks like the new guys aren't able to fill that void. I think they are still trying to recover from that loss.

Of course I may be wrong, but that's the only thing that would explain the dificulty they have fixing some bugs in the engine. The guys trying to fix it, are not the ones that build it.

[Chivas]

The development did have some employee problems and one of them was the water coder, but it was never said how critical those people who left or were fired were. I know when I was testing Gaijins WOP many aspects of the sim appeared very similiar the original IL-2.
(other than the FM which I know they borrowed from the original IL-2) and I wondered if some of SOW people left to work with Gaijin.