Spit IIa is now so much more inferior to the 109

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[Kurfürst]

Originally Posted by Kwiatek

Yea you start again with prototypes and folder data not for serial planes.

*Yawn* The above are the corrected results for an E-series standard aircraft, and the official type specification of the 109E guaranteed within +/- 5% by the manufacturer.

Serial 109 E test proff different results - 467- 475 km/h at 1.3 Ata (990 PS). Nothing new to me and not sense to disccussion these.

Yes with engine outputs uncorrected and in all likelyhood using the higher supercharger gear. They are not even performance tests anyway, but mere comparisons of different installations compared to the standard installation.

There's a reason these trials are never ever considered by Messerschmitt AG as the type's representative perfomance.

109 T-2 with Db601N in May 1941 reached at 1.35 Ata 2600 RPM - 1175 PS ( maximum emergency power) 490 km/h at the deck.

Indeed, the 109T in comparison the 109E had a tailhook and enlarged wing area though.

So i think for 109 E-3/4 at 1.4-1.45 Ata ( 1- minut emergency power) it is possible 490-500 km/h at the deck for a while nothing more.

Messerschmitt AG thinks otherwise. They think 500 km/h is possible for the 109E series with 1.35ata for 5 minutes, and that the coolant and oil temperatures should be well within limits with the radiator flaps 1/4 open.

For comparsion serial Spitfire MK1 at +12 lbs could do 505 km/h at the deck but for longer time ( 5- minutes).

I'd like to see that test of that supposedly 'serial production' Spitfire I doing 505 km/h deck.

Truth is, that the 109E could do 500 km/h on the deck at its five minute rating (and practically indefiniately as the coolant system could cope with it easily), the Spitfire could do about 500 km/h at its five minute emergency rating, though it needed 100 octane fuel to compete and engine wear was hihgh. I am not sure if it's coolant system could take it for long, since it was originally designed for 30% less power/temperature load. The 109E could push things a bit further at tree top using the 1-minute rating, though this was officially not sanction but only for take off.

[Hooves]

Krupi, quit pretending that you aren't dripping with BIAS. Its pretty pathetic. Second, if you are in a 109 and you allow your self to get in a turn fight with a Spit, you DESERVE to get shot down.

I will post the video of a friend and I flying together comparing the 109 and Spit climb rates, needless to say the 109 walks away from the SPIT IIa like its standing still in a climb.


I really have to laugh when the RAF aircraft have been gutted and yet you cry for more nerfing, but yet also cry for more performance out your "unbiased" 109. Yet you offer no numbers, facts, or concrete evidence of the fact that SPIT's are superior.


Like someone else mentioned a good Spit Pilot against a average 109 pilot A spit can win (if he suckers the 109 into a turn fight).

But a good 109 and a good Spit, The Spit fire is doomed, speed is life. The Spit cant run away, or disengage a Z & B. If a 109 messes up he just runs for home. NO SPIT can catch a 109 in a FLAT out drag race.

100 OCtane isnt magical, its proven. Hell even the fuel tanks in the menu say 100 Octane on them.

You dont wanna get beat by a SPIT? Dont get suckered into his fight. You wanna Beat a 109? Get him to blow all his E in a right hand turn.

And you have the guts to call someone else a whiner?

The 109 was reputed to have the superiour climb than the spit so I do not see anything wrong with this.

I do not know the tendency of speed but there might simply be no general "plane X was faster than plane Y" but rather "between alt 1 and alt 2 plane x was faster than plane y and between alt 2 and alt 3 plane y was faster than plane x"

If you loose a combat try to analyse your mistakes first. You may become a good pilot in the end and perhaps you won't need to put the blame on the fm anymore.

Originally Posted by JG52Krupi

Well the spits can sure keep up with my E4 and they still can turn like a biplane so I am going to call BS on this.

This is called height advantage you would be able to do exactly the same thing to him if you had more height than him .

Yeah but in truth Krupi you are a very poor pilot.

[JG52Krupi]

Originally Posted by Tree_UK

Yeah but in truth Krupi you are a very poor pilot.

lol

[Hooves]

Originally Posted by 41Sqn_Stormcrow

The 109 was reputed to have the superiour climb than the spit so I do not see anything wrong with this.

I do not know the tendency of speed but there might simply be no general "plane X was faster than plane Y" but rather "between alt 1 and alt 2 plane x was faster than plane y and between alt 2 and alt 3 plane y was faster than plane x"

If you loose a combat try to analyse your mistakes first. You may become a good pilot in the end and perhaps you won't need to put the blame on the fm anymore.

+1 truth.

[JG52Krupi]

Originally Posted by Hooves

Krupi, quit pretending that you aren't dripping with BIAS. Its pretty pathetic. Second, if you are in a 109 and you allow your self to get in a turn fight with a Spit, you DESERVE to get shot down.

I will post the video of a friend and I flying together comparing the 109 and Spit climb rates, needless to say the 109 walks away from the SPIT IIa like its standing still in a climb.


I really have to laugh when the RAF aircraft have been gutted and yet you cry for more nerfing, but yet also cry for more performance out your "unbiased" 109. Yet you offer no numbers, facts, or concrete evidence of the fact that SPIT's are superior.


Like someone else mentioned a good Spit Pilot against a average 109 pilot A spit can win (if he suckers the 109 into a turn fight).

But a good 109 and a good Spit, The Spit fire is doomed, speed is life. The Spit cant run away, or disengage a Z & B. If a 109 messes up he just runs for home. NO SPIT can catch a 109 in a FLAT out drag race.

100 OCtane isnt magical, its proven. Hell even the fuel tanks in the menu say 100 Octane on them.

You dont wanna get beat by a SPIT? Dont get suckered into his fight. You wanna Beat a 109? Get him to blow all his E in a right hand turn.

And you have the guts to call someone else a whiner?

hmmm i fly red and blue I want realistic FM's hello can anyone hear me... lol you are so pathetic hooves.

Originally Posted by JG52Krupi

lol

lol i'm only joshing mate

I think it should be this simple, In a short climb a spit should gain on a 109, but in a sustained climb the 109 should pull away, especially in a left handed spiral climb. In a 109 Never dog fight a spit you will always be tempted to use flap reduce throttle thinking that you might get a lead on him, you wont. Pick your combat entry point and exit point carefully, know when to enter the fight and keep energy at all times.