Spit IIa is now so much more inferior to the 109

ReconNZ · #1 05-12-2012, 07:54 AM

Why play red at all?

I was just in a dog fight online in a IIa getting boomed and zoomed by a 109 - he had 30 - 40% more lift and speed on me on every sweep past and he just flew away from me everytime. Seriously, there is no way that is historically correct. I am an ok pilot, I know about energy etc, but the 109 is such a better plane in this sim now, there is no point trying to fly in a dogfight 1 on 1 if you're in a spit.

The 109's are the only planes that didnt get spanked in the new patch, what the hell is that all about???

Not to mention the 109's just fly away when the do run out of ammo, and the spits cant even get close to catching them.

Honestly It kills the game, why play red at all, if the 109s continue to be so much better, pilots will go somewhere else, leaving nothing but blue planes on their own.

Kwiatek · #2 05-12-2012, 08:05 AM

Actually most fighters in CLoD ( 109, SPit, Hurricane) had wrong performacne and some got bugs in flight models which need revsion. Spitfire MK II had the most accurate performacne (speed, climb) but it is only modeled for 87 octan fuel - + 9lbs when should be modeled at 100 Octan fuel and +12 lbs emergency.

JG52Krupi · #3 05-12-2012, 08:11 AM

Well the spits can sure keep up with my E4 and they still can turn like a biplane so I am going to call BS on this.

This is called height advantage you would be able to do exactly the same thing to him if you had more height than him

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FS~Phat · #4 05-12-2012, 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by ReconNZ

Why play red at all?

I was just in a dog fight online in a IIa getting boomed and zoomed by a 109 - he had 30 - 40% more lift and speed on me on every sweep past and he just flew away from me everytime. Seriously, there is no way that is historically correct. I am an ok pilot, I know about energy etc, but the 109 is such a better plane in this sim now, there is no point trying to fly in a dogfight 1 on 1 if you're in a spit.

The 109's are the only planes that didnt get spanked in the new patch, what the hell is that all about???

Not to mention the 109's just fly away when the do run out of ammo, and the spits cant even get close to catching them.

Honestly It kills the game, why play red at all, if the 109s continue to be so much better, pilots will go somewhere else, leaving nothing but blue planes on their own.

Actually the Spit 1A is now quite a good plane. I know its not up to the 109 standard but its night and day compared to before the patch. I think the SPit IIA still needs some work though. Keep in mind if the 109 pilot was maintaining his E after engaging with more E you wouldnt have had a chance and this is the way it should be. The one with more E potential will normally win a battle. Whether that be speed or alt, or even worse, both! Which he most likely had. Best thing you can do is a split S on one of his zooms and try and extend and escape to friendly cover if possible!

Surviving in WWII combat wasnt about having big balls of steel and going it alone and taking on an enemy with an advantage. Better to fight with at least a wingman or an element flight group if you want a chance to survive combat. Thats what Teamspeak is for!

Hooves · #5 05-12-2012, 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by JG52Krupi

Well the spits can sure keep up with my E4 and they still can turn like a biplane so I am going to call BS on this.

This is called height advantage you would be able to do exactly the same thing to him if you had more height than him

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If a Spit can keep up with your E-4 you are doing it wrong. Sorry but your fanboyism is not going to cover up the GINORMOUS performance gap between the 109's and Spits.

Tettie · #6 05-12-2012, 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Hooves

If a Spit can keep up with your E-4 you are doing it wrong. Sorry but your fanboyism is not going to cover up the GINORMOUS performance gap between the 109's and Spits.

Is there any proof of that? This thread is all about opinions but no proof, from both sides. Any video's, accurate testing reports or anything?

JG52Krupi · #7 05-12-2012, 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Hooves

If a Spit can keep up with your E-4 you are doing it wrong. Sorry but your fanboyism is not going to cover up the GINORMOUS performance gap between the 109's and Spits.

Err what fanboyism... just telling it how I see it. A spit is slower than it should be but it still can turn much better than a 109 from what I have read it is ridiculous, sure the spit is the better turner but not THAT much better...

ReconNZ · #8 05-12-2012, 08:21 AM

Yeah he actually had less e than me at the start, one swoop and he was above me, and it was game over after that. Oh and as for running away, no chance - the 109 can catch a spit II like it's standing still!

I agree about teamwork and all that, but it shouldnt be so heavily weighted to the 109's. If a 109 pilot is good, he could play in ATAG all day without ever being in danger of getting shot down. All they need do is boom, zoom then run away -there is no counter for this for the allied pilots.

Insuber · #9 05-12-2012, 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by ReconNZ

Why play red at all?

I was just in a dog fight online in a IIa getting boomed and zoomed by a 109 - he had 30 - 40% more lift and speed on me on every sweep past and he just flew away from me everytime. Seriously, there is no way that is historically correct. I am an ok pilot, I know about energy etc, but the 109 is such a better plane in this sim now, there is no point trying to fly in a dogfight 1 on 1 if you're in a spit.

The 109's are the only planes that didnt get spanked in the new patch, what the hell is that all about???

Not to mention the 109's just fly away when the do run out of ammo, and the spits cant even get close to catching them.

Honestly It kills the game, why play red at all, if the 109s continue to be so much better, pilots will go somewhere else, leaving nothing but blue planes on their own.

I'm a blue pilot, but I flew a couple of hours on ATAG as a red one just to test the new FM's. I had several dogfights on the Spit IIa with 109's and never lost one. I have indeed reversed tables regularly when attacked by surprise from behind, with the automagical Spit no-E-loss-1 barrel-roll maneuver. In horizontal there is no way a Spit could loose, in vertical it's slightly more difficult but still feasible. The 30-40% more lift and speed is a very inaccurate estimate, IMO, in a 1 vs 1 the Spit IIa has better chances than the 109. This matches my experience on the 109, the Spit IIa is still a superior plane in co-E 1 vs 1.

I friendly suggest you to fly a 109 and go against the Spit II, just to make yourself an idea.

Cheers!

ReconNZ · #10 05-12-2012, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by JG52Krupi

Err what fanboyism... just telling it how I see it. A spit is slower than it should be but it still can turn much better than a 109 from what I have read is ridiculous, sure the spit is the better turner but not THAT much better...

Mate, turning is irrelevant - if you can climb better and fly faster, then you shouldnt ever get tagged. The 109 is far superior in almost any way. The turning difference is most likely due to the fact that the 109 is always going so much faster, so it seems like the spit turns better - truth is the slower object will always have the tighter turning circle - the difference you speak of is caused because the 109 is so much quicker!