how are these 109s turns 180 with out penalties?

[Widow17]

Originally Posted by CaptainDoggles

If you're not a high flying Spit or Hurricane diving onto your targets, I'll be the first to say you're doing it wrong.

Blame the mission designers then, not the aircraft. It's not the Hurricane's fault that the AI bombers come in at 3500 meters.

If you're in any fighter, low on the deck, you're a sitting duck for anyone. Even a bad pilot.


You're implying I'm somehow against people having fun? I'm definitely not. What puzzles me is when people fly on full-real servers and then imply that they don't like to fly high and dive on their opponents. That's what you're SUPPOSED to do.

Any time you engage at Co-Energy, you're doing it wrong.

Well, but finally its a game and it can be great fun to try and find tactics to fight a enemy at co-e or even at e-disadvantage. If i only had one life that would be different. But just diving on a opponent with e advantage is kinda boring to me.

[ACE-OF-ACES]

In real life.. The dog fight was the exception to the rule and team work was the rule

In sim life.. Team work is the exception to the rule and the dog fight is the rule

Which is no big whoop..

Until some simmer tries to use his sim experance as some measure of reality

[Bewolf]

Hm, I thought the FMs are porked and everybody is aware of that? Why the debate?

[Insuber]

The debate purpose is to spend some time chatting about our hobby, while waiting for more exciting times. As far as the porked FMs, IMO they are not so much porked to prevent som healthy fun. Spits and Hurries are being killed by 109s, and 109s are downing Spits and Hurries. G.50s are destroyed by both parties.

Cheers!

[bw_wolverine]

Originally Posted by Insuber

The debate purpose is to spend some time chatting about our hobby, while waiting for more exciting times. As far as the porked FMs, IMO they are not so much porked to prevent som healthy fun. Spits and Hurries are being killed by 109s, and 109s are downing Spits and Hurries. G.50s are destroyed by both parties.

Cheers!

Hehe, was that a slip of the tongue, so to speak? I like to think we shoot down more than just G.50s!

[JG52Krupi]

Last time I checked spits were good but too slow still could kick ass... hurris fast but poor cockpit... hmmm I have kicked and had my ass kicked flying both red and blue.

Mastiff I suggest you unbunch your panties while waiting for the new patch.

[KG26_Alpha]

Reminds me of the old complaints to 1 C Team and Oleg

The Russians "Oleg all our planes are porked"
The Germans "Oleg all our planes are porked"
The British "Oleg all our planes are porked"
The Americans "Oleg all our planes are porked"
The Italians "Oleg all our planes are porked"
The Japanese Hmmm "never really heard from them"

It kinda funny to really think that you are flying in an historical manner in an historically correct aircraft in such a sterile environment.

Matching the numbers and tactics is the best to hope for, the rest is pure conjecture and assumption as to who did what and how, we can play at it and hit the fly button again, back then it was a fight for survival and the risk taking practised in this game in real life would have probably resulted in an early death for the pilot and his fellow countrymen.

Its a game have fun with it

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[ATAG_Keller]

Ok, I know the old saying "Never interrupt you're enemy when he's making a mistake" but in the interest of making things more challenging I’m going to offer some advice to the Red pilots flying on ATAG.
If you want to complete objectives you need to get together with your bomber pilots and tell them that they have to fly where the fighters will have the best chance of protecting them. I am constantly finding Blenheim pilots flying on the wave tops heading directly from their bases in a straight line towards their targets. Climb! Get those Blennys up to 3-4000m, cross the channel a long way to the East or West, and descend behind enemy lines.

I’ve flown a lot of bomber missions on ATAG, and I can count on one hand how many times I’ve been attacked by an enemy fighter before dropping my payload. Sure, my He-111 missions might take 45 to 75 minutes from takeoff to landing, but patience is a virtue. Don’t rush it guys, flying through the "trapezoid of terror" that goes from Littlestone to Ramsgate, across to Dunkirk then Wissant, in a bomber is sheer madness.

Time may be of the essence, but 3 unsuccessful missions straight through the belly of the beast is still worth less than one successful mission flying around all the action.