how are these 109s turns 180 with out penalties?
 

I just watched a 109 turn 180 degrees and not lose power or energy?!

BS

I hope the patch fixs this and the under powered Spits Ia supposed to be able to do 310mph I can not get it over 240mph all trimed out! 25 % fuel and it's not doing it.

I fly 109 most of the time and there is a significant loss of energy turning 180.

And yes, Spit Ia is porked. Both 109 and Spit Ia are not flying to their historical performance.

All you need is to fly one yourself to see, nothing magical with the 109...good pilot would be the variable amongst other 109 pilots.

and no black out for those 109s either. when they turn 180
or flip over. is exactly what im seeing.

Black outs do occur with the 109s. But there is lesser chance because the 109s' elevators are heavy, especially under high speed. Spitfire pilots black out because they are turning too hard.

This is probably why Brit pilots think that the 109s lose no energy - they can't pull as hard and therefore do not bleed as much energy - adding the fact that the 109s are lighter therefore accelerates better.

OK, I will stop showing off near you.:-P

There is nothing wrong with the 109 FM, they're deadly and manoeuverable in good pilot's hands. It's not easy to control these things on the edge (which is what you've probably seen). There are many good 109 pilots out there and you have to fly your Spitfire on the edge, too in order to beat them, that's all.

240mph IAS or TAS? Spitfire is much slower than it should be, in fact it's slower than Hurricane, but with good tactics and good control, you can beat the Hun anyway ;)

240mph is what the dial says, I don't have a dial read out for TAS unless there is one and I don't see it. Ground?
I just don't see how I'm at 240 the 109 has flipped turned and caught me several time in less then probable .5 KM
oh and when I have passed them at that speed I have counted 1 Mississippi and in 5 hes on me and shooting!

unbelievable.

Brit planes are easy to pick up. They are more stall proof and more stable gun platforms. They also have better tracers, gun sight, and rear views.

109s are harder to master. They are much more unstable; they can't follow turns; gunnery is also difficult. But if the pilot can master 109's energy potentials, they are the superior planes to fly.

Any plane is easy to pick up. But it's difficult to fly it on it's best potential.

Mastif you just got to be more careful fighting good 109 jockeys, as I said, they are extremely agile and can roll into your turn easily. Emil's turn rate at higher speed is very good, too, fyi. Using trim and good rudder control, you can turn with a Spitfire for long enough to place a good burst and you'll have plenty energy left to extend, rinse and repeat.