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![]() If I misunderstood it, then excuse me, but the object of the debate in the other topic, that the 12 lbs were useful without the damaging of engine - from what it follows, that let COD not take it into consideration...
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Buzzsaw, apart from your usual tirades and various lies about my person,
A, can you produce even a single primary document saying all of Fighter Command using 100 octane fuel and 100 octane fuel only? B, can you explain, that if FC would use only 100 octane fuel, why do 87 octane issues suddenly rise at the moment Fighter Command is flying more operational sorties? Should you be able to do so, I may be able to take you seriously.
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Because 87 octane is being used by Coastal Command, Bomber Command, RN, OTU and flight training units, all of whom will increase their activities during periods of good weather, which was when the Luftwaffe also increased it's activity over Britain.
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You people are still debating this? Where is the common sense? ![]() |
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There is too much things that does not match
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![]() What i previously described amounts to "on takeoff and half of the cruise portion of the flight", which is half the fuel burn for the sortie. In other words, quite a lot of 100 octane fuel in case of long range sorties and as low as none at all in short range sorties (unless they were bending the rules and carrying a few minutes worth of it to get better WEP boost values in case of trouble, but that would be a negligible amount). In conclusion, if the Blenheims generated enough sorties at long ranges or were routinely tasked with loitering around a certain area on patrol duty (eg, U-boats, reconnaissance, etc), they could account for quite a lot of 100 octane use. If on the other hand they were mostly flying cross-Channel hops in nuisance raids, they would mostly burn 87 octane. Until someone can produce a relevant document that deals with the amount, type and range/duration of their sorties during the BoB the argument can swing either way ![]() |
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This might prove relevant:
"the Bomber Stations concerned was practically complete (these Stations are Wyton Watton, Wattisham, West Rayham)" http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/att...ng-minute-.jpg Quite clearly only four Bomber/Blenheim bases were 'concerned' with 100 octane fuel. If those four stations held all Blenheim Squadrons, your claim may be true, but somehow I doubt it. Wyton had two Blenheim Squadrons at the time: Nos. 15 and 40 "In December 1939, both Wyton squadrons were sent to France and Nos. 15 and 40 Squadrons returned from the Continent to Wyton, the first step in converting Battle squadrons to Blenheims. Both squadrons flew their first bombing raids from Wyton on May 10, 1940 against targets in the Low Countries. The Blenheims of No. 57 Squadron were based briefly at Wyton in June before going south, returning for two weeks the following month before flying north only to appear again at Wyton in late October. " Wattisham had also two, Nos. 107 and 110 Squadrons http://www.raf.mod.uk/bombercommand/s30.html http://www.raf.mod.uk/bombercommand/s106.html Watton also had two Blenheim Squadrons: Nos.21 and 82 Squadrons http://www.raf.mod.uk/bombercommand/s31.html West Rayham had only one Blenheim Squadron, No. 139, and possibly from June 1940 also no. 18 also operating. That's 7 or more like 8 Blenheim Squadrons on 100 octane. At that time there were 15 Bomber Command Sqns. operating Blenheim IVs. But this pretty much explains where 100 octane fuel went in such quantities - even those 8 Blenheim Squadrons were consuming a lot. Total tankage was 468 imp. gallons compared to 85 gallons on the Spit - a worth of about 45 Fighter Squadrons.. ![]()
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Flight activity of all kinds will increase with good weather. This is such a simple concept, that it will be instantly apparent to almost everyone. ![]() The RAFFC flew 5700 sorties and the RAF issued about 4500 tons of 100 octane fuel during the 1st week of September. 5700 sorties at 75 gallons per sortie = 427500 gallons or 1374 tons (assuming every fighter does a dead stick landing with empty tanks, it only rises to 1650 tons). This leaves more than 3000 tons for use in RAFBC and all other assorted and sundry users, more than enough for every twin engined Merlin bomber and fighter to be using 100 octane fuel and still leave lots left over for use by RAFFC. |
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[QUOTE=Seadog;298133]We know that the RAF was using vast amounts of 100 octane fuel.
5-10 000 tons a month - out of 50 000 tons total per months or compared to about 90 000 tons per month consumed by the Luftwaffe is hardly 'vast amounts'. Its a tiny amount, even compared to 1940 overall or later RAF consumption. Bomber Command (at least 8 Squadrons of Blenheims for example), engine manufacturers for running ins and testing, Squadrons for non-operational flying and practice. One Squadron in August 1940 for example did Quote:
Of course I did. Ironically, just two posts above. Besides yo simply display the logical fellacy of the Invisible Pink Unicorn: you seem to believe that if you claim something, without being capable proving it, and if others don't prove you wrong, you are automatically right. Right? Well, its just utter nonsense. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invisible_Pink_Unicorn All Figther Command Aircraft were operating on 87 octane previously; in March 1939 a decision was made to convert sixteen fighter Squadrons to 100 octane by September 1940, and in around May 1940 it was noted that 'certain' fighter squadrons were to be supplied with 100 octane fuel. Certain, not all. Well its not too hard figure out what the other-than-certain Fighter Squadrons were still running on, my dear Watson? ![]() Quote:
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