109 e3b against spitfire II

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Originally Posted by Kurfürst

Actually, this was discussed many times already. Sure there's extensive documentation of 100 octane use, which perfectly warrants that we have 100 octane variants of Spitfires & Hurricanes in the sim.

However, the claim that all of them were running on the fuel is quite simply baseless and there's no evidence of this, and it can be considered a bit wishful. On the contrary, there's convincing evidence found in archives detailed fuel use and decisions that the proccess of conversion begun in the spring of 1940 only (preceeded by various trials), and much of the force was still flying on 87 octane and lower engine power during the battle, until toward the end of 1940.

Once again Kurfurst continues his proud tradition of providing one sided disinformation, with no facts to back up his case.

This issue has been gone over many times and on many boards, it has been written about, published etc.

And the conclusions are clear. RAF Fighter Command had 100 octane fuel in plentiful supply at all of its major 10, 11, and 12 Group fields. (and these fields provided the supply for their satellite fields)

The best debate on this issue occurred on the WWII Aircraft forum which has very high standards of proof required. The discussion was led by 'Glider', real name Gavin Bailey, who is published on the subject of high octane fuel use by the Allies in WWII. His article "The Narrow Margin of Criticality: The Question of the Supply of 100-Octane Fuel in the Battle of Britain" was published by THE ENGLISH HISTORICAL REVIEW, a well respected historical journal whose material is subject to critical scrutiny by the best of English historians.

Article here:

http://ehr.oxfordjournals.org/conten...1/394.abstract

The debate on the WWII Aircraft forum can be found in two threads. If you are seriously interested in understanding the facts, then take the time to read both threads in their entirety.

http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/avi...2-a-20108.html

http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/tec...bob-16305.html

Kurfurst was present there, and added his usual disinformation, refused to provide references and was banned from the forum.

For Kurfurst to continue to put forward his disinformation here, despite all the other occasions where that disinformation has been discredited is just another example of his lack of objectivity.

For CLIFFS OF DOVER to have an accurate set of aircraft models, it should have the following:

Hurricane I (two speed prop, +6 boost 87 octane)
Hurricane I (two speed prop, +12 boost 100 octane)

Hurricane I (constant speed prop, +12 boost)

Spitfire I (two speed prop, +6 boost 87 octane)
Spitfire IA (constant speed prop, +12 boost 100 octane)

Spitfire IIA (constant speed prop, +12 boost 100 octane)

It is not good enough to have only a Spitfire II with +12 boost performance. Historically Spitfire IIA's only equipped 3 Squadrons during the battle, most Spitfires were the I model, running +12 boost.

Hurricanes must have a +12 boost version, including the two speed prop version, since Hurricanes were converted later than the Spitfires to constant speed, and there were quite a number of two speed prop versions in use in July and August running +12 boost.

The +6 boost versions of the Spitfire and Hurricane are required for 1939 and January to April 1940 scenarios.