the failure of clod is a failure of US ALL

[carguy_]

COD was not repaired, it was chopped up until it ran ok.

I see another theory supported by...what exactly? Care to elaborate? Is there a chance, maybe?

[Bearcat]

It always feels that way when hit by an uncomfortable truth...

Yes... rectal exams are indeed uncomfortable..

[SlipBall]

Take AI off your list furbs...he was just misunderstood :cool:

[carguy_]

Hear! hear! Swift and ruthless, NOT selective.

Yes, thank you. That is what I meant to say.

[raaaid]

hey bearcat if had endured what you endure here id lost it long ago cheers

if i had endured what luthier endured i would introduce bugs on purpose

maybe the end of the comunity will be the comunity itself

[fruitbat]

bugger this thread, i'm off out to get drunk and celebrate new year, have fun amongst yourselves, and remember, flight sims aren't women, you can whore around amongst them all, and they won't get jealous and stuff.

oh, happy new year.

[Bearcat]

Be safe FB .. and HNY!!

hey bearcat if had endured what you endure here id lost it long ago cheers
if i had endured what luthier endured i would introduce bugs on purpose
maybe the end of the comunity will be the comunity itself

I have a wife going through menopause.. which is like PMS and schizophrenia combined that never ends.. this place can't shake me..

[furbs]

I think you are saying I can't say they would have done, but in all probability given the time they would have, we would have been looking forward to a release of BoM before 2014 which would have brought these fixes with it's planned mergeability, we would also have had an SDK to look forward to which would have accelerated the process of briniging new theatres and aircraft into play....


Speculation.

But...again if all that is true and they were so close to releasing the all fixed up shiny sequel why didn't they do so?

And dont bloody say i stopped them pls.

[bongodriver]

Speculation.

But...again if all that is true and they were so close to releasing the all fixed up shiny sequel why didn't they do so?

And dont bloody say i stopped them pls.

Because 1C lost it's nerve, the bad vibes people like you were pushing around made them lose confidence, and all they care about is making money.....not giving you the perfect co-op GUI, but Luthier seemed to want to please everybody and was forced to waste huge amounts of time, I mean WTF did we end up with an SU-26 for? that was Olegs promise.

Anyway, you can't educate pork so I'm pretty much done trying, I'm off to work in a minute so I'll wish you all a happy new year from somewhere in Italian airspace.

[raaaid]

I see another theory supported by...what exactly? Care to elaborate? Is there a chance, maybe?

well if were gonna ask for our rights as customers some of my end info:

i always run on minimun i wont take less than 60 fps

one year ago both rof and clod used 20% of graphic resources at 70ºC

now clod in identical settings runs at 95% resources and 99ºC which shew totally safe so far

so now i can run clod on medium to high setting at decent fps with my cheap system but the games death

i wont get conclusions but software hardware collusion comes to mind

well dreaming on how about giving for free a game better than the ones in the market(i hope it becomes so with facetracknoir), yeah im a dreamer, damn printed litle papers

[Fjordmonkey]

well if were gonna ask for our rights as customers some of my end info:

i always run on minimun i wont take less than 60 fps

one year ago both rof and clod used 20% of graphic resources at 70ºC

now clod in identical settings runs at 95% resources and 99ºC which shew totally safe so far

so now i can run clod on medium to high setting at decent fps with my cheap system but the games death

i wont get conclusions but software hardware collusion comes to mind

well dreaming on how about giving for free a game better than the ones in the market(i hope it becomes so with facetracknoir), yeah im a dreamer, damn printed litle papers

Sense, you make it not. Then again, that's quite normal for you. :rolleyes:

[raaaid]

Sense, you make it not. Then again, that's quite normal for you. :rolleyes:

well this is experienced facts:

i always run on minimun i wont take less than 60 fps

one year ago both rof and clod used 20% of graphic resources at 70ºC

now clod in identical settings runs at 95% resources and 99ºC which shew totally safe so far

so now i can run clod on medium to high setting at decent fps with my cheap system but the games death


i admit the longer i writte the more volatile my mind becomes so you can ignore the rest

[Bearcat]

Because 1C lost it's nerve, the bad vibes people like you were pushing around made them lose confidence, and all they care about is making money.....not giving you the perfect co-op GUI, but Luthier seemed to want to please everybody and was forced to waste huge amounts of time, I mean WTF did we end up with an SU-26 for? that was Olegs promise.

Anyway, you can't educate pork so I'm pretty much done trying, I'm off to work in a minute so I'll wish you all a happy new year from somewhere in Italian airspace.

I can't help but wonder what effect if any the cracking of IL2 and subsequently CoD had to do with any of this..

[furbs]

Because 1C lost it's nerve, the bad vibes people like you were pushing around made them lose confidence, and all they care about is making money.....not giving you the perfect co-op GUI, but Luthier seemed to want to please everybody and was forced to waste huge amounts of time, I mean WTF did we end up with an SU-26 for? that was Olegs promise.

Anyway, you can't educate pork so I'm pretty much done trying, I'm off to work in a minute so I'll wish you all a happy new year from somewhere in Italian airspace.

Happy new year!

To be continued...

[bongodriver]

I can't help but wonder what effect if any the cracking of IL2 and subsequently CoD had to do with any of this..

I don't think COD is quite cracked....maybe in time, someone simply found the basics of modifying the game but AFAIK theres not progs to handle mesh editing for COD etc, but to be honest I think the cracking of IL2 and it's subsequent modability is what has sustained sales for so long, I don't know why flight sim developers are so affraid of giving the tools for user created content, just about every other type of game does it.

[furbs]

I see another theory supported by...what exactly? Care to elaborate? Is there a chance, maybe?

removed bullet decals, removed reflections, lowered textures, removed bullet hit effects, smoke visual distance lowered.

Can you show where they proved it could be fixed?

[SlipBall]

removed bullet decals, removed reflections, lowered textures, removed bullet hit effects, smoke visual distance lowered.

Can you show where they proved it could be fixed?


That's just it furbs, you want an engine that is capable/doing a lot of thinking...gives you a reason to do an upgrade when it becomes possible, not now maybe 2 years from now, as hardware comes along.

[furbs]

Maybe Slip, but the sim for me ran the same with 1 plane sightseeing as in a big mission with 20+ planes, same stutter and FPS drops, which to me seems like its a code problem and not because lots going on under the hood.

[Wolf_Rider]

I don't think COD is quite cracked....maybe in time, someone simply found the basics of modifying the game but AFAIK theres not progs to handle mesh editing for COD etc, but to be honest I think the cracking of IL2 and it's subsequent modability is what has sustained sales for so long, I don't know why flight sim developers are so affraid of giving the tools for user created content, just about every other type of game does it.

because idiots get into the nuts and bolts, like they did with CFS (near its end) and bugger it up for everybody... laser cannons and zero G 90 degree turns etc

[Wolf_Rider]

Maybe Slip, but the sim for me ran the same with 1 plane sightseeing as in a big mission with 20+ planes, same stutter and FPS drops, which to me seems like its a code problem and not because lots going on under the hood.


its actually a tree problem with all those polygons choking the bus... it has been the same for every flight sim going

[Igo kyu]

the failure of clod is a failure of US ALL
No, it wasn't.

[Jatta Raso]

time to bring on some sanity

the failure of CLoD is a failure INSPITE of US ALL

i see this is more like it; all debate shows and generates interest, on the other hand, a dead forum, that would've been a failure of the community; trying to keep things under perspective..


now this is not a kick in the teeth for the devs; you make choices, sometimes your projects work, sometimes they don't. devs certainly made their choices; no one seems to talk about it, but the departure of the team leader (the man with the vision) left a blank seemingly impossible to fill in..

[bongodriver]

because idiots get into the nuts and bolts, like they did with CFS (near its end) and bugger it up for everybody... laser cannons and zero G 90 degree turns etc

Cheats are fairly easy to deal with and are not so common, I think it's a shame we end up missing out on large quantities of quality user made stuff because of a little paranoia over very few 'idiots', and it really does seem to ignore the needs of the ofline simmer, which by all indications seem to be the majority user base

[Wolf_Rider]

Be that as it may, Bongo... it exists, it happens, it buggers it up

[Hood]

They are far more common than you think. The best two non-detectable cheats that I'm aware of in IL2 are a radar instead of the map, showing the positions and altitudes of enemy aircraft (relative to you), and the aiming reticule changing colour to show when you should fire to hit your target.

You'd have to visit the Russian forums to find out how those work. No doubt there are the same for CLOD by now.

Hood

[bongodriver]

They are far more common than you think. The best two non-detectable cheats that I'm aware of in IL2 are a radar instead of the map, showing the positions and altitudes of enemy aircraft (relative to you), and the aiming reticule changing colour to show when you should fire to hit your target.

You'd have to visit the Russian forums to find out how those work. No doubt there are the same for CLOD by now.

Hood

I think cheats like that are unavoidable with or without official tools, so I still think it's an unnecessary paranoia.

[Skoshi Tiger]

They are far more common than you think. The best two non-detectable cheats that I'm aware of in IL2 are a radar instead of the map, showing the positions and altitudes of enemy aircraft (relative to you), and the aiming reticule changing colour to show when you should fire to hit your target.

You'd have to visit the Russian forums to find out how those work. No doubt there are the same for CLOD by now.

Hood

Thats really sad. Personally I could'nt get any satisfaction from playing with mods like that. Why not get into the modern jet sims that have that already?

I personally can live with my 0.18 K/D ratio and hold my head up high. I would hate to be someone who couldn't!

But I guess it's the same issue with performance enhancing drugs in sport. The biggest pitty is that people new to the sport may see it as only way to become competitive.

Sad!

[Hood]

Thats really sad. Personally I could'nt get any satisfaction from playing with mods like that.

Sad!

Absolutely. For some it's win at all costs. From memory the squad that used them in a friendly match against us was 2GvShAD. I've no idea if they're still active - I think maybe they were a group of people from different squads. I'd bet they're up to their old tricks in CLOD.

Hood

[SlipBall]

Bliss won't allow any of that over there

[vranac]

They are far more common than you think. The best two non-detectable cheats that I'm aware of in IL2 are a radar instead of the map, showing the positions and altitudes of enemy aircraft (relative to you), and the aiming reticule changing colour to show when you should fire to hit your target.

You'd have to visit the Russian forums to find out how those work. No doubt there are the same for CLOD by now.

Hood

I saw on some forum that radar is detectable.Radar didn't work on big maps (AA,AB,AC...).
And second cheat you are talking about isn't of any help if pilot can't manage his plane into the position to shoot.It could help some rookie pilot to hit something.If you give an experienced pilot position to shoot you'll get hit for shure.

I realy don't see the point in raising those "cheats" questions again and again.

I know at least two pilots who was called "cheaters" and with one of them I was flying constantly for a few years.That guy won official Russian championship "Wings of victory" and all the finalists, 16 of them,
was flying together in the same room in controlled enviroment.

Cheat that would be helpfull is to modify engine power and I never saw that in CloD.

[MusseMus]

the murder message for a kill in the console was an idea of mine, the panning of mouse insync with displacement as well

so something that had my colaboration failed, and i ask why?

wel all know:

HATE

ive done my good blowing the fire by posting some bizarre thing, well i learnt my lesson

seems the devs learnt since in the new forum you can totally ignore a user, if you ignore raaaaaid youll hear no longer about me since whole threads posted by the user are ignored

what do you think is the reason for the "hate" that destroyed OUR game? and lets pray doesnt destroy our world

me? too much tv and murdering games

I think your heart is in the right place Raaid and I agree with you. No wonder this forum has been called the "banana" forum for some time with all the hate and whining. But I think the dropping of CLOD has little to do with this forum -I doubt any financers or decision makers are visiting this place :)

By the way I sincerely believe CLOD will live on… :cool:

Cheers/m