the failure of clod is a failure of US ALL

[raaaid]

the murder message for a kill in the console was an idea of mine, the panning of mouse insync with displacement as well

so something that had my colaboration failed, and i ask why?

wel all know:

HATE

ive done my good blowing the fire by posting some bizarre thing, well i learnt my lesson

seems the devs learnt since in the new forum you can totally ignore a user, if you ignore raaaaaid youll hear no longer about me since whole threads posted by the user are ignored

what do you think is the reason for the "hate" that destroyed OUR game? and lets pray doesnt destroy our world

me? too much tv and murdering games

[pstyle]

Anyone got a spare ultra machine?

[Freycinet]

Raaid, I think the vicious "complaints" culture, nurtured especially in the UK by the gutter press, is responsible for the kind of tone some people find absolutely acceptable. But beyond that, it also seems to me that the rather sad haters just did it because they craved some kind of notoriety that their real lives couldn't give them. Big fish in a small pond syndrome...

I don't know anything about them in real life, thank god, but one thing is for sure: flight sim fans they are not. They are driven by destroying something, like pulling wings of a fly, and not by contributing to anything. The kind of people I've always steered well clear off in real life.

[skarden]

Freycinet, thats actually the best way I've seen it put yet anywhere , and I agree completely, the people you mention never seemed to realise the damage they were doing at the time, as has been said at the BOS forum they got what they wanted, sadly.

Your also right that they're definitely not flight sim fans, it's good to see that 777 is taking a strong line with these clowns.

[Anders_And]

the murder message for a kill in the console was an idea of mine, the panning of mouse insync with displacement as well

so something that had my colaboration failed, and i ask why?

wel all know:

HATE

ive done my good blowing the fire by posting some bizarre thing, well i learnt my lesson

seems the devs learnt since in the new forum you can totally ignore a user, if you ignore raaaaaid youll hear no longer about me since whole threads posted by the user are ignored

what do you think is the reason for the "hate" that destroyed OUR game? and lets pray doesnt destroy our world

me? too much tv and murdering games

Stop it Raaaaid you are making waaay too much sense lately!:grin:

[planespotter]

Yay Raaid. No idea wtf you said. But have another wodka for me guy! Merry xmas.

[CWMV]

I disagree, I think...?
If the product were solid there would have been no hate.

So what would have been best, to simply play long and ignore and cover up the laundry list of faults in the game or to be honest about it?

It was their responsibility to release a functional product. Not ours to eat whatever garbage they threw at us.

[skouras]

it is not a failure of us all...

it was a failure from the beggining
i remember myself to say it 1 year ago and someone says to me that they going to fix it and i don't know nothing.....well where are you now little fella.....
ho ho ho ho merry christmas to you all :grin::grin::grin:

[baronWastelan]

If CloD had been released last year as an paid open beta -- pay $20 for the beta, with option to upgrade to release ver for $29 later -- it would have made all the difference and MG would still be working on The Sequel.

Instead they tried the sneaky used-car sales way and MG have paid the price. They gambled their reputation and lost.

[furbs]

You think? you think enough people would of brought COD full price after 18 months of patches to have made it worth while them making the sequel?

Not a chance, the last patch fixed the online lag, but they was almost no fixes for offline and that's where most people play.

[baronWastelan]

I'm offline only. Been playing Heinkill's RAF Redux campaign and having no game bugs or glitches. Even won a medal :)

Even went as far as copying the campaign missions into a Single Mission subfolder to refly some of them: they are that much fun.

[MB_Avro_UK]

Rise of Flight have released their Channel Map. I paid $18 US for it. (About 12 Euros).

It is far less detailed than the Cliffs of Dover map. It's a stripped down version and also without London.

A poster on the RoF forum has commented that he trusts the RoF team to improve upon it with time and also iron out any bugs. There wasn't that kind of loyalty on this forum for Cliffs of Dover from many posters.

Why?

[JG52Krupi]

Rise of Flight have released their Channel Map. I paid $18 US for it. (About 12 Euros).

It is far less detailed than the Cliffs of Dover map. It's a stripped down version and also without London.

A poster on the RoF forum has commented that he trusts the RoF team to improve upon it with time and also iron out any bugs. There wasn't that kind of loyalty on this forum for Cliffs of Dover from many posters.

Why?

Agreed

And nope no loyalty from any of these trolling morons whatsoever, shocking given what they had been given if they could have opened up there eyes and had some foresight but these guys are utter morons. I agree these guys are not flight sim fans they are just a bunch of ******* idiots.

[addman]

If CloD had been released last year as an paid open beta -- pay $20 for the beta, with option to upgrade to release ver for $29 later -- it would have made all the difference and MG would still be working on The Sequel.

Instead they tried the sneaky used-car sales way and MG have paid the price. They gambled their reputation and lost.

I think that would've been much better, to release as a pre-purchase beta. People would've bought it fully knowing that it wasn't a finished product and thus complaints would've been reduced to a more tolerable level. H*ll! the guys at ED and 777 are using that very model, here's a beta, it's not finished and it's a bit buggy but you can pre-purchase it if you want to at your own risk. I guess MG couldn't go that route, maybe Ubisoft told them to keep quiet. God knows what has happened at the 1c/MG offices the last few years but it sure would've been interesting to know.

[Freycinet]

Rise of Flight have released their Channel Map. I paid $18 US for it. (About 12 Euros).

It is far less detailed than the Cliffs of Dover map. It's a stripped down version and also without London.

A poster on the RoF forum has commented that he trusts the RoF team to improve upon it with time and also iron out any bugs. There wasn't that kind of loyalty on this forum for Cliffs of Dover from many posters.

Why?

The haters - some of whom still hang around in this thread - were loyal to their own deranged agenda, which was "criticize incessantly until you tire out everybody else from replying, and thereby "win" the argument."

Apart from loyalty to themselves and their own twisted thinking they don't know what the word loyalty means. Foreign concept to them.

But yeah, let's hear them explain what a great improvement the RoF Channel map is over the CoD one, whose colours they went on about ad absurdum...

[furbs]

Rise of Flight have released their Channel Map. I paid $18 US for it. (About 12 Euros).

It is far less detailed than the Cliffs of Dover map. It's a stripped down version and also without London.

A poster on the RoF forum has commented that he trusts the RoF team to improve upon it with time and also iron out any bugs. There wasn't that kind of loyalty on this forum for Cliffs of Dover from many posters.

Why?

Why?

Because if Jason says they are going to do something, they do it.
If they say its going to be fixed or going to be in the next patch, it is.

The patches or updates are on time, work with no or very little problems.

No flim flam, flannel or BS and no banjo vids.

They never said it would have london, its not a stripped down anything, its not a version of a COD map.

Its a ROF map, and its very good, looks like a English landscape and plays very well.

Thats why.

[6BL Bird-Dog]

Rise of Flight have released their Channel Map. I paid $18 US for it. (About 12 Euros).

It is far less detailed than the Cliffs of Dover map. It's a stripped down version and also without London.

A poster on the RoF forum has commented that he trusts the RoF team to improve upon it with time and also iron out any bugs. There wasn't that kind of loyalty on this forum for Cliffs of Dover from many posters.

Why?
I resent staements like that..
The were plenty of us who put there trust in the 1c team and waited patiently for bugs to be ironed out.
The Finance was pulled because there was no faith in the ability of the team to fix it by the investors .

[JG52Krupi]

I resent staements like that..
The were plenty of us who put there trust in the 1c team and waited patiently for bugs to be ironed out.
The Finance was pulled because there was no faith in the ability of the team to fix it by the investors .

And investors would have seen this forum and seen only the moaning minority that have a large presence on this board and decided to pull the plug... simple fact.

[furbs]

Krupi, do you really believe that? i mean really?
You really think they pulled the plug on the sequel because of forum posts about COD?

They had a year to look at what Luthier had done for the sequel, all that work, all those models.
Do you think that if all that work and progress had been successful and it looked like the sequel was going to fix the problems, that 1C decided to ignore that and make the decision based on what a few people were posting about COD?

I cant honestly believe you really think that.

What has posts about COD got to do with a years work on the sequel?

Luthier had to meet the June milestone to show what they had done in that year....it wasn't enough.

Its that simple.

[JG52Krupi]

Yes I believe that it certainly factored into the equation that ultimately led to BoMs mothballing.

If it appears that a product doesn't have any support or audience then the shareholders will always go with the safer option.

They don't care about the product only about the money...

Its really that simple, CoDs failure will always be due to it being released in a mess but BoMs mothballing is due to a number of issues and one of them is the reaction of supposed "fans" of flight simulators... so yes its that simple.

Its THAT simple.

[lonewulf]

People were certainly vicious about the game and the Dev. Team but not without good reason. The game was dreadful when it was released and there was genuine disappointment in the community about a game we had been anticipating for years. I feel certain that with better communication with the community it may have been possible to turn thing around but of course that's easy to say in hindsight. Who knows what was really going on behind the scenes. What saddens me is the lost potential. The multiplayer side of the game is now highly functional and in my view maybe just two or three patches away from masterpiece status. If the game is to be left to die on the vine then that will be a very great shame and frankly, quite amazing.

[JG27_brook]

refusing to do a 1944 plane set with p51 p47 and fw190 is just dumb, this plane set would have sold alot more copies and we all know this to be a fact!!!

[CWMV]

refusing to do a 1944 plane set with p51 p47 and fw190 is just dumb, this plane set would have sold alot more copies and we all know this to be a fact!!!

I disagree. Nothing wrong with the BoB.
Besides, you do a 1944 sim you have a lot more planes/objects/maps to make. Way too much.

If they really wanted to have a hit, it would have been functional, and it would have been in North Africa.

[Insuber]

Without polemics, and having been always a supporter of this sim, I cannot buy into the "blame the customer" theories.
The whole SoW-CloD-BoM venture is a perfect example of how not to run a project. Catastrophic mistakes were made years before the release, crippling the product beyond hope, and wasting huge amounts of money without any logic as we learned from former team members one year ago. The release of a broken product destroyed the credibility of the team and depressed the sales. I would say a word about Luthier's leadership, but kicking the loosers is not my cup of tea. He had the power, he had the time, he had the resources, he had the Il-2 name and reputation. He failed.

Let's watch at Jason's results, trying to suppress emotions and judge in an objective, dispassionate way their product, as a true flight sim fan should always do.

Best wishes,
Insuber

[swiss]

ive done my good blowing the fire by posting some bizarre thing, well i learnt my lesson

Only... your posts were never Clod related. ;)

[Ataros]

He had the power, he had the time, he had the resources, he had the Il-2 name and reputation. He failed.

Wrong. He had only maybe 6 months before release after Oleg was forced to leave by "anti-crisis management" and he had all 1C limitations and restrictions. I wonder how long 777 will last under these limitations before Jason and Loft leave (e.g. take 13 months budget only for BoS). They will have to make a deal with DCS next I guess.

Russian corporations are very different from western corporations.

[Freycinet]

Of course management primarily looks at sales and not forum postings. But OF COURSE an orchestrated campaign of hate is also going to affect sales. So many people have looked at my movies and commented, "wauw, this sim looks fantastic, but I only read online that it was crap, what gives?".

The haters really got what they wanted so dearly, the demise of the franchise, and now they try to pretend they played no part in it. Disgusting.

[raaaid]

i didnt mean it was people fault

it was not my fault yet feel it like a personal failure as a flight sim fan

but not point pointing fingers

[swiss]

Of course management primarily looks at sales and not forum postings. But OF COURSE an orchestrated campaign of hate is also going to affect sales. So many people have looked at my movies and commented, "wauw, this sim looks fantastic, but I only read online that it was crap, what gives?".

True, but once they bought it you can be sure they will share their opinion.

This game sucked all the way until the last patch, that's the truth - and you can't expect to successfully sell a minor grade product.
You could only delay the economical failure of such a product with positive propaganda - but you can never turn it away.

[Freycinet]

This game sucked all the way until the last patch, that's the truth

Your truth is not my truth, and I don't think you have a monopoly of "the truth", even though you present it like that ("that's the truth")

I thought it was fantastic from the first viewing, and it got progressively better with the patches.

Yes, sure, dissatisfied customers should vent their disapproval, but hating the sim and staying on the forums for two years, posting multiple times every day about that dissatisfaction like some of the haters in here?

- That's no longer being unhappy with a product that cost two movie tickets, that's a campaign of hate to make sure nobody else will be able to give the sim a go. What a waste of a life, but then again, it seems those people didn't really have one...

I would really have liked to give Battle of Moscow a go, but the haters did what they could to deny others that opportunity.

Here are the screenies of what we will never see... Oh rejoice, oh happiness, BOM was cancelled!

http://airwarfare.com/sow/index.php/63-gamekeeper/photos/photo?albumid=2#photoid=2

Must make every hater super-happy... Thanks god Luthier wasn't allowed to bring us cockpits like this... http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=156381&d=1340979063

[swiss]

In the state the product was you can NOT make customers happy. It starts with the system specs - they recommend a gtx260 while ppl even with most sophisticated(!) rigs couldnt play it without stutter.
Online play? Forget it, CTD.
Great, huh?

Now, imagine we all praised the game, do you think sales would have improved?
No, dissatisfied customers would only think we are nuts.

Is clod beautiful? Yes! and it's a friggin shame they cant fix, nonetheless it never worked liked it was supposed to.
It's like a wonderful handcrafted chef knife which is dull - nice to look at, but unable to do the job.
Unless someone fixes it - unfortunately the gave up, sux.
In the end it's all about the money, if you cant find someone to dump more money into it(and potentially burn it), you'll have to abandon it.
Btw; feel free to start a kickstarter project to finish Clod, its a free world.

The video you posted showed Clod in all its glory, really a sad end. Maybe some modders, one fine day...

[furbs]

Of course management primarily looks at sales and not forum postings. But OF COURSE an orchestrated campaign of hate is also going to affect sales. So many people have looked at my movies and commented, "wauw, this sim looks fantastic, but I only read online that it was crap, what gives?".

The haters really got what they wanted so dearly, the demise of the franchise, and now they try to pretend they played no part in it. Disgusting.

Frey, i guess all the people who wrote a review must have been in on the "agenda" as well right?

Yer it was perfect out the box, you dont remember these very small problems then...

Epilepsy filter
Massive stutter over land at release
Full screen problems
Having to choose between sound and trees for 3 months
CTD's after 5-20mins for 4 months for over 50% of people
Floating ships
Crap offline campaigns
Non starting hurricanes
Crap AI
Sli...fixed in next driver release...(yer flippin right)



These problems were just made up and anyone who pointed these out were working in secret with 777 in a massive world wide conspiracy.

:rolleyes:

[Pudfark]

Every thing Furbs has said so far...all of it.
You can't turn a "sow's ear" into a "silk purse",
No matter how much time and money you put into it.
My mistake was misspending my money and time,
which has everything to do with this historical folly...

So...I'll be hanging out with the winning team...not the whining one.

[MB_Avro_UK]

Your truth is not my truth, and I don't think you have a monopoly of "the truth", even though you present it like that ("that's the truth")

I thought it was fantastic from the first viewing, and it got progressively better with the patches.

Yes, sure, dissatisfied customers should vent their disapproval, but hating the sim and staying on the forums for two years, posting multiple times every day about that dissatisfaction like some of the haters in here?

- That's no longer being unhappy with a product that cost two movie tickets, that's a campaign of hate to make sure nobody else will be able to give the sim a go. What a waste of a life, but then again, it seems those people didn't really have one...

I would really have liked to give Battle of Moscow a go, but the haters did what they could to deny others that opportunity.

Here are the screenies of what we will never see... Oh rejoice, oh happiness, BOM was cancelled!

http://airwarfare.com/sow/index.php/63-gamekeeper/photos/photo?albumid=2#photoid=2

Must make every hater super-happy... Thanks god Luthier wasn't allowed to bring us cockpits like this... http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=156381&d=1340979063


My feelings also.

Now,we have a sim that's as good as RoF. Some may say better.

I've owned RoF since it's release and have bought most of the add-ons. I have no problem at all with RoF. I was flying last night on the new Channel map.

Cliffs of Dover was the future. It was a prototype of a unique and advanced product. It had faults,I agree. But when you raise the bar to the height Oleg went for,there will be faults.

I spent £50/$75 on the Collectors Edition.Far less than I've spent on RoF over all. And both are the best of the genre.


Best Regards,
MB_Avro

[SlipBall]

If the game was released silky smooth, that would indicate an engine that was something for today, but limited for tomorrow. bsure

[CWMV]

This probably did more to kill it than all of the issues discussed here.
http://www.amazon.com/IL-2-Sturmovik-Cliffs-Dover-Pc/product-reviews/B004L5SJ4Y/ref=cm_cr_pr_viewpnt_sr_1?ie=UTF8&filterBy=addOneStar&showViewpoints=0

[Bullcrapman]

Yes I believe that it certainly factored into the equation that ultimately led to BoMs mothballing.

If it appears that a product doesn't have any support or audience then the shareholders will always go with the safer option.

They don't care about the product only about the money...

Its really that simple, CoDs failure will always be due to it being released in a mess but BoMs mothballing is due to a number of issues and one of them is the reaction of supposed "fans" of flight simulators... so yes its that simple.

Its THAT simple.

Krupi, you have just demonstrated with this post how stupid you are, you cant fool me, I am The Bullcrapman. And you are talking BULLCRAP.

[Bullcrapman]

Of course management primarily looks at sales and not forum postings. But OF COURSE an orchestrated campaign of hate is also going to affect sales. So many people have looked at my movies and commented, "wauw, this sim looks fantastic, but I only read online that it was crap, what gives?".

The haters really got what they wanted so dearly, the demise of the franchise, and now they try to pretend they played no part in it. Disgusting.

BULLCRAP, I am the bullcrapman, and you are talking BULLCRAP. We all know that you have no life outside of this game and we are sorry for you, really we are, now stop talking BULLCRAP and stop making those videos.

[furbs]

This probably did more to kill it than all of the issues discussed here.
http://www.amazon.com/IL-2-Sturmovik-Cliffs-Dover-Pc/product-reviews/B004L5SJ4Y/ref=cm_cr_pr_viewpnt_sr_1?ie=UTF8&filterBy=addOneStar&showViewpoints=0


Well, sure is alot of people in on the "conspiracy" then.

[SlipBall]

Well, sure is alot of people in on the "conspiracy" then.


lol indeed....I couldn't play the original Il2 on my rig. Oleg was looking further out to the future, probably 5/10 years for both games

[JG52Krupi]

Krupi, you have just demonstrated with this post how stupid you are, you cant fool me, I am The Bullcrapman. And you are talking BULLCRAP.

I guess this is Trees 50th user ID, go ahead and argue with yourself again :rolleyes:

[JG52Uther]

I guess this is Trees 50th user ID, go ahead and argue with yourself again :rolleyes:
Correct. Tree, you would be better served on the new il2 forum.Its getting a bit embarrassing now.

[SlipBall]

must be a love hate thing :-P

[furbs]

Where did that witty and intelligent Bullcrapman go? i thought he spoke a lot of sense. :grin:

















Anyway...it wasn't Tree, im pretty sure it was his mum(reliable 3rd party source)

[JG52Uther]

Whatever. He is not welcome on this forum, he has a new place to play in.

[MB_Avro_UK]

Whatever. He is not welcome on this forum, he has a new place to play in.


:)

[JG52Uther]

Anyway, back on topic...

[SlipBall]

Where did that witty and intelligent Bullcrapman go? i thought he spoke a lot of sense. :grin:


Anyway...it wasn't Tree, im pretty sure it was his mum(reliable 3rd party source)



crap
Uther used the flush lever

[furbs]

Whatever. He is not welcome on this forum, he has a new place to play in.


Merry Xmas! No selection box this year Uther? :grin:

[KG26_Alpha]

This probably did more to kill it than all of the issues discussed here.
http://www.amazon.com/IL-2-Sturmovik-Cliffs-Dover-Pc/product-reviews/B004L5SJ4Y/ref=cm_cr_pr_viewpnt_sr_1?ie=UTF8&filterBy=addOneStar&showViewpoints=0

Ermm yea we all believe the reviews I suppose.

1.0 out of 5 stars Absolute disgrace by 1C CloD Official Forum, April 20, 2012
By
TruthHurts - See all my reviews
This review is from: IL-2 STURMOVIK: CLIFFS OF DOVER [Download] (Software Download)
I really enjoy this game, even though there are numerous bugs. I'm one of the lucky ones who can afford a decent computer. There is a huge amount of work to be done and the developers are still working on it.
The disgraceful part is that 1C Official Forum has asked that lies be told in false reviews to cover up the massive problems with Clod. There are a number of people in the Offical 1C Forum that are old men sitting behind computers, living their lives through computer games.
To anyone that reads reviews prior to buying a game, make sure you browse through all the reviews, especially when a large number are one star reviews.
The truth is that there is no guarantee that this game will be fixed. Until a patch is formally released and tested I would not advise you to purchase the game. A lot of the members on the 1C Offical Forum for CloD, who are asking members to lie in these reviews, also belittle those who purchase the game without reading reviews and then complain about how the game is 'broken'.
The only way to make sure that the next patch is working properly is not to take as gospel anything that 'Senior Members' say about it. Look for the Junior Members that don't post much. You'll see the ones who are old men playing games by their thousands of posts next to their Senior Member status. There are some Senior Members that will tell the truth but 1C Officil Forum Moderators are currently deleting their comments under the guise that the problems have already been spoken about. The problem with this is that those previous negative comments become extremely hard to find in amongst lies and mistruths.
Just be aware that the 1C Offical Forum is not the place to go to get a truthful review. These people are not from the the free world and have no problems in manipulating information. IL-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover

Made me laugh.....sadly.

[arthursmedley]

Blimey, even Elvis only gave it one star on Amazon!:rolleyes:

[esmiol]

well ROF transfer to WW2... god help us all!

and thanks to the 1C team to betray us AGAIN!

[fruitbat]

Blimey, even Elvis only gave it one star on Amazon!:rolleyes:

not enough hamburgers.

[furbs]

You would of thought Spitgirl would of pleased at least Elvis. :grin:

[Freycinet]

Nobody said CoD didn't have problems. It had lots of them, but the potential greatly overshadowed the problems and the many amazing things done right in the sim overshadowed the faults. Except to the nitwits who expected the sim to be perfect from the get-go and who mounted a hate campaign because it wasn't. I have nothing against the unhappy customers who vented their anger once or twice before throwing the sim in the bin. But I pity the psychos who spent two years daily slagging the sim in the most disgusting ways. Poor sods, you know who you are.

[klem]

What a load of nonsense.

raaaid you were one of the biggest denyers of CoD potential not to mention your rambling ravings.

As for UK gutter press? That may be right in principle but when did they ever bother to publish here? It was not just UK forum users that denigrated CoD.

It failed because there was not the business potential under the current management. It was always going to be a risk. Huge development cost, possible lack of a coherent plan linked to available cutting edge expertise. CoD was always going to be cutting edge.

I think we are waiting for the next generation of developers and tools with the skills, foresight and ability to deliver the next generation flight/combat sim. History shows that nothing is beyond capability. It will come. Look back in 10 years time and it will be laughable. But don't expect to run it in a dual core Dx9 PC.

[furbs]

Tell that to 1C Frey, they pulled the plug, after a year of work on the sequel.
COD just didn't sell enough, most players are offline and stock COD offline is dire.

Was there a hate campaign in every country COD was released?


This is moot anyway, like flogging a dead horse, quite literally.

[JG52Krupi]

Tell that to 1C Frey, they pulled the plug, after a year of work on the sequel.
COD just didn't sell enough, most players are offline and stock COD offline is dire.

Was there a hate campaign in every country COD was released?


This is moot anyway, like flogging a dead horse, quite literally.

Yet you and Tree are still here flogging away, why?

[mungee]

I've started using CoD, seeing that it's not going to be (officially) improved/modded, and do you know what? .... I THINK IT'S GREAT!!
For so long, I kept it "on the shelf", because of:
- it's initial performance problems; and
- the massive amount of negativity that abounded on forums, such as this one.
I'm annoyed with myself for having been so misled about it!
Perhaps it was only CoD's last patch that got it right ... I don't know!
All I can say is that I'm now enjoying CoD very much!

[SlipBall]

I've started using CoD, seeing that it's not going to be (officially) improved/modded, and do you know what? .... I THINK IT'S GREAT!!
For so long, I kept it "on the shelf", because of:
- it's initial performance problems; and
- the massive amount of negativity that abounded on forums, such as this one.
I'm annoyed with myself for having been so misled about it!
Perhaps it was only CoD's last patch that got it right ... I don't know!
All I can say is that I'm now enjoying CoD very much!


Good for you! enjoy

[Freycinet]

I've started using CoD, seeing that it's not going to be (officially) improved/modded, and do you know what? .... I THINK IT'S GREAT!!
For so long, I kept it "on the shelf", because of:
- it's initial performance problems; and
- the massive amount of negativity that abounded on forums, such as this one.
I'm annoyed with myself for having been so misled about it!
Perhaps it was only CoD's last patch that got it right ... I don't know!
All I can say is that I'm now enjoying CoD very much!

A massively common story, as I can tell from the reactions I get from my movies. Anyway, this is my last post in this thread. It is impossible to get the last word against the hater brigade, especially their most stalwart members, so I'll leave it at this...

[priller26]

A flawed game killed the game, plain and simple. It promised more than it could deliver, required an insanely beefed up pc to run well, and fell flat in many aspects. Its over. We should not keep beating this dead horse, and move on to the next specacular game we can all moan about.

[GOA_Potenz]

The real true is that CloD is dead, it was dead since before release, after years of development, my squads mates always said 1 year before release, that the game will fail due to the lack of video preview we recived, i always said that the game will be great, i was soooooo wrong, when i launch it first time after a month of pre order waiting (unfixable mistake) and after reading the first russians reviews i said this team will fix it son, everybody was told that the problem was the E-filter, and we all bought that, the first MG first big lie, were thos video with out sound, as those were made with the avi recording feature that record frame by frame an looks like the game runs perfectly, once i realized that i lost all hope on this game, when they start to turn off features in every patch, it was more obvious, all knows what every patch fix and broke more than fix, so now looking backwards you can esealy see that the sequel was a simply face cover to the real true, the game was already dead and the move to join forces with 777 studios was on the way (in my opinion that should be the great june anounce), after 7 years of development and a year in intensive cares the patient just stop breathing.

Now after see what i seen what 777 studios did with RoF, have complete confidence on that team well organized, and with good and kind comunication with the community i see we will get a great product
forums didn't kill this game, Oleg and co bad managment did it during development and before release.

[Feuerfalke]

In aviation terms: They tried to build an Airbus A380XXL with the team and resources of the Wright-Brothers.

And I'm honest: I'm glad it's over.
777 will make a fresh start and hopefully with one step at a time, rather than reinventing everything.


So, is it our fault?
No. Be it supporters like myself (at least in the beginning) or constant complainers. We all came here for the same hopes and reasons. Just with different ways to express our feelings. But you can't make a brick fly - no matter how loud or sweet you talk to it.

[Jaws2002]

In aviation terms: They tried to build an Airbus A380XXL with the team and resources of the Wright-Brothers.

And I'm honest: I'm glad it's over.
777 will make a fresh start and hopefully with one step at a time, rather than reinventing everything.


So, is it our fault?
No. Be it supporters like myself (at least in the beginning) or constant complainers. We all came here for the same hopes and reasons. Just with different ways to express our feelings. But you can't make a brick fly - no matter how loud or sweet you talk to it.

If you read Loft's posts on the new forum, you will know what's comming. Loft posted very early on about the lack of interest in accurate and advanced combat flight sim and praised those new arcade flying games made recently with the pay for every gauge and bolt bussines model.
The new game will be a far cry from anything we, il-2 players, take for granted. Online will suck due to limitations of the engine and fragmented community because of a lot of payware.
If you think BOS will follow on Il-2's foot steps you will be in for a surprise.

[GOA_Potenz]

If you read Loft's posts on the new forum, you will know what's comming. Loft posted very early on about the lack of interest in accurate and advanced combat flight sim and praised those new arcade flying games made recently with the pay for every gauge and bolt bussines model.
The new game will be a far cry from anything we, il-2 players, take for granted. Online will suck due to limitations of the engine and fragmented community because of a lot of payware.
If you think BOS will follow on Il-2's foot steps you will be in for a surprise. have you tried RoF???

[Mysticpuma]

The needs of the many were undermined by the ability of the few.

Many suggestions and bugs were completely ignored by the team as they tried to make us believe they were fixing (read as removing) features. The writing was on the wall, sadly some were illiterate.

Glad to see though that work continues in fixing Clod, shame it's through unofficial routes.

Time will show though that enthusiasts will resurrect and bring back to life a much less buggy CloD.

Good times are coming ;)

[fruitbat]

have you tried RoF???

Have you read the Rof forums in the last few days.....

[CWMV]

If you read Loft's posts on the new forum, you will know what's comming. Loft posted very early on about the lack of interest in accurate and advanced combat flight sim and praised those new arcade flying games made recently with the pay for every gauge and bolt bussines model.
The new game will be a far cry from anything we, il-2 players, take for granted. Online will suck due to limitations of the engine and fragmented community because of a lot of payware.
If you think BOS will follow on Il-2's foot steps you will be in for a surprise.

Your obviously not reading the forums there-or rather your reading a lot of stuff that isn't there.

Hey if your bound and determined to be miserable have at it. Were all looking forward to the release of a functional game-something CoD never was.

[ATAG_Bliss]

Your obviously not reading the forums there-or rather your reading a lot of stuff that isn't there.

Hey if your bound and determined to be miserable have at it. Were all looking forward to the release of a functional game-something CoD never was.

Jaws is spot on. I'd say you haven't been reading much.

Loft's answers have been - no we can't, no we are not going to, or maybe later, not at release. It's simple PR fluff as this will be simply a re-skinned ROF. If 777 cared so much about accuracy how come their sim has been out 4 years and the SE5A doesn't even have something as simple as trim?

It's obvious you don't know much about the sim or clod for that matter.

[CWMV]

You guys are that hung up on clickable cockpits eh?

Your bias is making you see things that arent there. Lofts statement is that they have a plan, they are sticking to it, and they do not have time for various and sundry useless crap like clickable pits.

So here's what you have to complain about:

Its staying with DX9. DX9 is stable. DX9 works and is in very wide use. Best market share. Makes sense. No need for you guys to sell your friends down the river like you were ready to when the devs here couldn't make the game work with the specs on the box.

Unknown hybrid pay system. Thats as much as anyone knows, yet everyone here is convinced it'll be pay per gauge. Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii iiiight.

"13) Can we expect the clickable cockpits?
No. We create a simulation of air combat (this includes attacking ground targets). The pilot will only receive critical systems, propeller pitch, boost, altitude control, different mechanization, weapons and more. Procedural training device it will not be, it will be a game simulator. We would like to return to the original idea of ​​the "IL-2 Sturmovik", because we believe that it was great."

But they will be to a great extent animated. So what is wrong with this? its exactly what IL2 was and IL2 has been the sim gold standard for 10 years. CoD broke from that form and FAILED.

Controllable vehicles. WHO FREAKIN CARES! FLIGHT SIM!!! Lulz.

So thats the cliffs notes of the big whining issues of the dev diaries. Seems kinda petty no?

Back to shaking you magic 8 balls now.

EDIT: And the SE5A does have trim now, go play the latest release. Just another example of them actually fixing their sim, something that CoD never really got.

[ATAG_Bliss]

Sounds like a child got their toys taken away.

[SlipBall]

You guys are that hung up on clickable cockpits eh?

Your bias is making you see things that arent there. Lofts statement is that they have a plan, they are sticking to it, and they do not have time for various and sundry useless crap like clickable pits.

So here's what you have to complain about:

Its staying with DX9. DX9 is stable. DX9 works and is in very wide use. Best market share. Makes sense. No need for you guys to sell your friends down the river like you were ready to when the devs here couldn't make the game work with the specs on the box.

Unknown hybrid pay system. Thats as much as anyone knows, yet everyone here is convinced it'll be pay per gauge. Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii iiiight.

"13) Can we expect the clickable cockpits?
No. We create a simulation of air combat (this includes attacking ground targets). The pilot will only receive critical systems, propeller pitch, boost, altitude control, different mechanization, weapons and more. Procedural training device it will not be, it will be a game simulator. We would like to return to the original idea of ​​the "IL-2 Sturmovik", because we believe that it was great."

But they will be to a great extent animated. So what is wrong with this? its exactly what IL2 was and IL2 has been the sim gold standard for 10 years. CoD broke from that form and FAILED.

Controllable vehicles. WHO FREAKIN CARES! FLIGHT SIM!!! Lulz.

So thats the cliffs notes of the big whining issues of the dev diaries. Seems kinda petty no?

Back to shaking you magic 8 balls now.

EDIT: And the SE5A does have trim now, go play the latest release. Just another example of them actually fixing their sim, something that CoD never really got.

Why do you come here with that, go to the new forum and vent

[tintifaxl]

You guys are that hung up on clickable cockpits eh?

Your bias is making you see things that arent there. Lofts statement is that they have a plan, they are sticking to it, and they do not have time for various and sundry useless crap like clickable pits.


Sorry, not in my book. Flying bombers or multi engined planes makes clickable pits very! important. Of course, if you stay with the I-16, then ok.


... its exactly what IL2 was and IL2 has been the sim gold standard for 10 years.

10 year old standard? Not what I want in 2014. There has to be improvement in BoS on every sim-relevant aspect over IL2. Maybe take DCS:P-51 as reference?

Most important features to me:

* flight model
* level of accuracy for operating the planes including engine management and radios
* dynamic weather
* believeable AI (includes ground control)
* dynamic and scripted coop/offline/online campaigns with career

We will see what 777 can deliver.

The only gripes I have with CloD (since the patch 07/2011) are:

* AI and radio comms (ruins offline play for me)
* disappearing contacts (ruins online play for me)

Very sadly Luthier concentrated their efforts in a graphic engine rewrite instead of fixing those.

[raaaid]

certainly myself i didnt talk much about the game

rather playing that complaining and use the forum to chatty chat as i would in a pub

but my point is this is a failure for us and lucky us for 777 or wwii air sim would have disappear maybe forever

what happened is bad for us all as simmers and many people are masochistically happy and were praying for this end

imagine this type of guy whith a psicology of i harm myself to harm others to feel good get access to the buttom

[GOA_Potenz]

what all you can't see that Oleg and Luthier did a totally wrong manage on the project, was their failure not us, it's all their fault, for promisng things that couldn't be achieve and then lies and silence, that's not the way to manage a project and reply to paying costumers, and the saddest is people here keep refering them as some kind of untochable allmighty and wise gods. They fail at their task horrendously and CloD is over now, end of story.
Now just keep going foward and support 777 ontheir new project, oleg and luthier are gone and they are not comming back tomorrow with a version of CloD with all the things their promised and lied about all this years of development.

[swiss]

Maybe their fatal fault was they actually DID listen to us.
Way too much time wasted for rivet counting and other peripheral stuff, while losing focus for the important stuff, i.e. supplying a working title that sells, even if the rivet counters are not happy with the historical accuracy(at release date - if it sells, you got money for later improvements).

[Frequent_Flyer]

refusing to do a 1944 plane set with p51 p47 and fw190 is just dumb, this plane set would have sold alot more copies and we all know this to be a fact!!!

You could not be more correct. The Battle of Britian has been done to death. To annoucne the next instatllment , essentially( BOM) BOB -East was equally as poor business decesion. The battle for Stalingrad does nothing for me either. Aparently I'm am in the majority. If there is any truth to Korea this would be infinately more interesting than any eatern front scenario.

[MB_Avro_UK]

You could not be more correct. The Battle of Britian has been done to death. To annoucne the next instatllment , essentially( BOM) BOB -East was equally as poor business decesion. The battle for Stalingrad does nothing for me either. Aparently I'm am in the majority. If there is any truth to Korea this would be infinately more interesting than any eatern front scenario.

The three most important turning points of WW2 were as follows:

Battle of Britain

Stalingrad

Midway

And as agreed by most historians. You are not in the majority.

[Frequent_Flyer]

The three most important turning points of WW2 were as follows:

Battle of Britain

Stalingrad

Midway

And as agreed by most historians. You are not in the majority.

Debatable, and a matter of perspective. However, the the absolute turning point of WW II was when the Japanses bomber Pearil Harbor, it was more significant then all three combined. Coupled with the ignorance of Germany declaring war on the US .

The Battle of Midway is the only one of your three that will make interesting and diverse flight sim.

[startrekmike]

Debatable, and a matter of perspective. However, the the absolute turning point of WW II was when the Japanses bomber Pearil Harbor, it was more significant then all three combined. Coupled with the ignorance of Germany declaring war on the US .

The Battle of Midway is the only one of your three that will make interesting and diverse flight sim.


In your personal opinion.

I found CloD to be a interesting and diverse flight sim experience, I just went into it not expecting to take a slight of P-38's up against a flight of FW-190's.

It is all about personal taste and realistic expectations, your idea of interesting is yours as is the same with anyone else.

[priller26]

In aviation terms: They tried to build an Airbus A380XXL with the team and resources of the Wright-Brothers.

And I'm honest: I'm glad it's over.
777 will make a fresh start and hopefully with one step at a time, rather than reinventing everything.


So, is it our fault?
No. Be it supporters like myself (at least in the beginning) or constant complainers. We all came here for the same hopes and reasons. Just with different ways to express our feelings. But you can't make a brick fly - no matter how loud or sweet you talk to it.


Well said, could not agree more, I feel much better 777 has the project, as I have seen what they CAN do and not what they endlessly PROMISE to do. May not be all the bells and whistles of Clod as planned, but in the long run, if it it does not work well, any game, its not gonna fly off the shelf, no pun intended.

[furbs]

I think Luthier sums it up best....(notice no blame of forum posters)...

Project lead Ilya Yevchenko...
"The situation sucks. I see no reason to sugarcoat it with bull. I don't want to go make empty promises or try to prove that black is white. We released a faulty game. We did more than even seemed possible to fix its faults and add improvements, but in the end it was not enough."

[Borsch]

CLoD was killed by its management. The biggest mistake was LYING at the release, pretending that HUGE problems that were in the game didnt exist. In Russia, they paid Kanobu game review site to review the game like HUGE problems did not exist. It was very-very bad psychology and very bad PR -and it was management's fault. PR remained horrible for the rest of the 1.5years.

And then there was managment problem with keeping focus on what Il2 was about. Oleg gave in to clickable pits demands (which drove costs/complexity - did you ever wonder why DCS sims are ONE plane games?), LOD problems were never given priority, FMs are very iffy still- landing a plane might as well happen in Blazing Angels, crazy collisions, AI was dumb and also had ability to do super fast barrel rolls, Sinlge player (90% of customer base according to Loft) was ABYSMAL, draw distance is horrible (nice graphics huh?)... What were they thinking? And to release it sneakily (not as a beta - people would forgive everything to beta! ANd most would buy it still- can you remember the hype?)

Haters were horrible as well, but "Ilya with his talented management lads" has certainly fuelled the fires- and thus takes nearly all responsibility.

I was really scared that CLoD would be the Silent Hunter 5 of flight sims - a DEAD END. Boy, are we lucky that there was another way... Last year I was also campaigning against the haters, explaining that "yes, its bad, but if we loose it we'll end up with with abandoned franchise that nobody will replace for many years". I now see that I was fighting wind mills, they way CloD was handled from the top, it could not have happened any other way.


If they really wanted to have a hit, it would have been functional, and it would have been in North Africa.


B6 recently said that Afrika was discussed but rejected due to complexity of models needed for the Navy of the theatre. I thought that Afrika was easy money as well, but apparently not...

[6S.Manu]

I bought the software the day it was released, and suggested it to other 20 guys.
Then I waited half a year to see how the development was going on before I turned on CloD realizing that the issues were not "bugs" to be fixed...

I don't feel I'm guilty.

[Stublerone]

What again, raaaid? Are you already belonging to the big crowd of guys, who accept buggy releases? For sure, in such a genre, people accept more faults and we all did.

But after promises of fixing, the time it took and the bad set up comunity work forced many of us to get mad and in my opinion, totally understandable!!

But what forced them to bury the game? No money and no community playing it. But this is also their fault. They exactly know, that comunity work is essential and that the game has to go in a direction, where a comunity can actively take place. They never heard on things like: we need tools to create our flight evenings. They never asked into deep, what a comunity needs to fill servers.

So it for sure has nothing to do with any angry guy. It has to do something with the gamestate, the bad situation for all of us (and also them) in bug fixing, all the engine issues and then the totally wasted approach, which was simply too late to let them make any more benefit with this game. There were thousands of guys havin clod and just waiting to get the same possibilities like in il2 to switch to this game.

But now it is too late. I can understand the haters currently, I can understand the decision of 1C and I can understand the guys trying to do the best out of this situation. But I cannot understand your "raaaid" on a couple of people and giving them a bash. Sorry, but this is normally rediculous to talk about such a posting.

We are already in a situation, where we accept by far more bugs than ever before. It has to do with complexities of the games, but I think, that we are accepting enough bad issues in any game! :)

[robtek]

If CoD had had the same tolerance and willingness to spend money by its fans that RoF had, the bean counters at 1c might have decided differently.
But the expectations were too high, by the fans and the bean counters, and the time frame too limited to make CoD an profitable base.
Just remember, RoF complete, at the actual christmas sale, is about 287 Dollars.
Makes one wonder what CoD could have become when the income were quadrupled, at least.
But here the majority was whining abot 30, 50 or in some cases 70 Dollars,

[SlipBall]

If CoD had had the same tolerance and willingness to spend money by its fans that RoF had, the bean counters at 1c might have decided differently.
But the expectations were too high, by the fans and the bean counters, and the time frame too limited to make CoD an profitable base.
Just remember, RoF complete, at the actual christmas sale, is about 287 Dollars.
Makes one wonder what CoD could have become when the income were quadrupled, at least.
But here the majority was whining abot 30, 50 or in some cases 70 Dollars,


That is a considerable price tag for ROF :shock:

[JG52Uther]

That is a considerable price tag for ROF :shock:
Yep, and its kicking off on the RoF forum, because the new update introduced a serious soundbug online, and turning off tree's don't fix it...
Oh well, the new map only cost me $20, the Felix another $12.99, and another $20 or so on weapons mods and compasses this week. I can wait. :rolleyes:
I'm hoping one day they will fix the FM's for some of the planes I bought but whats another year or two eh.
Can't wait for the new il2.

[Bearcat]

Hmmmm this thread explains a lot ... Some of the drama in this thread is like a Lifetime Movie.

If CoD had had the same tolerance and willingness to spend money by its fans that RoF had, the bean counters at 1c might have decided differently.
But the expectations were too high, by the fans and the bean counters, and the time frame too limited to make CoD an profitable base.
Just remember, RoF complete, at the actual christmas sale, is about 287 Dollars.
Makes one wonder what CoD could have become when the income were quadrupled, at least.
But here the majority was whining abot 30, 50 or in some cases 70 Dollars,

Do you have to buy every plane and every map and every nut and bolt and add on? How much of what you buy do you actually sepnd time flying? That should be the question asked before purchasing anything new under this business model.. To buy it just because it is there is ... something I will not do.

[Skoshi Tiger]

Do you have to buy every plane and every map and every nut and bolt and add on? How much of what you buy do you actually sepnd time flying? That should be the question asked before purchasing anything new under this business model.. To buy it just because it is there is ... something I will not do.

+1

In ROF I've bought about 8 planes plus the Channel map (Plus the initial game when it first was for sale).

The planes I've bought have only been the ones I'm interested in and no one has pressured me into buying anything I haven't wanted.

IMHO, as a business model, it's not bad because it gives us the opportunity to give a ongoing support to the developer without having to pay a monthly fee (which would out of the question for me at least - not into that sort of thing)

I have never regretted spending a single cent on any of the IL2 series (in fact I probably made the computer and gaming shop sales assistants lives hell in the weeks before the games hit thew shelves) because each and everyone of them brought massive improvements.

Hopefully this will continue in the future of the series!

[JG26_EZ]

If people are willing to fork out $1500, $2000, $2500 for a new PC to make a sim work, then wouldn't it sound plausable that we'd probably fork out over $300 (easy) for a flight sim that works (and meets most demands re: complexity, looks, realism, etc,.)?

[Skoshi Tiger]

If people are willing to fork out $1500, $2000, $2500 for a new PC to make a sim work, then wouldn't it sound plausable that we'd probably fork out over $300 (easy) for a flight sim that works (and meets most demands re: complexity, looks, realism, etc,.)?

At this point the "Domestic Bliss" factor enters into the equation.

It is easier to justify spending $20 every couple of months over couple of years than spending $300 outright on a computer game.

take my word for it! ;)

[SlipBall]

+1

In ROF I've bought about 8 planes plus the Channel map (Plus the initial game when it first was for sale).

The planes I've bought have only been the ones I'm interested in and no one has pressured me into buying anything I haven't wanted.

IMHO, as a business model, it's not bad because it gives us the opportunity to give a ongoing support to the developer without having to pay a monthly fee (which would out of the question for me at least - not into that sort of thing)

I have never regretted spending a single cent on any of the IL2 series (in fact I probably made the computer and gaming shop sales assistants lives hell in the weeks before the games hit thew shelves) because each and everyone of them brought massive improvements.

Hopefully this will continue in the future of the series!


I think robtek's bigger point was IL-2 was dirt cheap, if had the ROF sales model they may have survived...and so I have to ask what you would not have bought in IL-2 1946 :-P

[Ailantd]

I think robtek's bigger point was IL-2 was dirt cheap, if had the ROF sales model they may have survived...and so I have to ask what you would not have bought in IL-2 1946 :-P

I would not pay for planes like in 1946 as I don´t pay for planes like in RoF. But I certainly would pay for planes with the detail level of the 109 , Hurry or Spit in CoD to be flown in an amazing CoD like enviroment.

[Frequent_Flyer]

In your personal opinion.

I found CloD to be a interesting and diverse flight sim experience, I just went into it not expecting to take a slight of P-38's up against a flight of FW-190's.

It is all about personal taste and realistic expectations, your idea of interesting is yours as is the same with anyone else.

Good for you, but you were in the minority. You can't argue against the results.
The BOB was a poor choice to begin " the next generation of flight sim ", it was executed and managed poorly as well. The vast majority of the sales are purchased by individuals who play single player offline campaign and mission building.

[Bearcat]

+1
I have never regretted spending a single cent on any of the IL2 series (in fact I probably made the computer and gaming shop sales assistants lives hell in the weeks before the games hit thew shelves) because each and everyone of them brought massive improvements.
Hopefully this will continue in the future of the series!

+1

I would not pay for planes like in 1946 as I don´t pay for planes like in RoF. But I certainly would pay for planes with the detail level of the 109 , Hurry or Spit in CoD to be flown in an amazing CoD like enviroment.

Yeah but... THAT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN..

?? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfa1HsnMPzA)

Good for you, but you were in the minority. You can't argue against the results.
The BOB was a poor choice to begin " the next generation of flight sim ", it was executed and managed poorly as well. The vast majority of the sales are purchased by individuals who play single player offline campaign and mission building.

+1

and it has less to do with anyone on these boards.. If you think the .. and I am using an inflated arbitrary number just to make a point.. that the 60 most vocal critics of CoD on these boards had more of an impact that the reviews on every PC game site and every online store review (granted some of them may have been the same people) then you are kidding your selves. None of us are that important. For that fortunate few who never had any issues with the sim great for them.. but for the vast majority who were more than willing and in many cases did plunk down good money on day 1 it was not fun.

[fruitbat]

Yep, and its kicking off on the RoF forum, because the new update introduced a serious soundbug online, and turning off tree's don't fix it...
Oh well, the new map only cost me $20, the Felix another $12.99, and another $20 or so on weapons mods and compasses this week. I can wait. :rolleyes:
I'm hoping one day they will fix the FM's for some of the planes I bought but whats another year or two eh.
Can't wait for the new il2.

+1 (of course, fixing fm's doesn't bring in the dollars like new planes and maps).

some people, ahem, really need to go over to the RoF forums and educate themselves even just a little bit......

[JG52Krupi]

+1 (of course, fixing fm's doesn't bring in the dollars like new planes and maps).

some people, ahem, really need to go over to the RoF forums and educate themselves even just a little bit......

Agreed, COD might have been a mess but at least they tried to fix things... That doesn't seem to be the case with 777.

[addman]

Agreed, COD might have been a mess but at least they tried to fix things... That doesn't seem to be the case with 777.

Yes, look how that worked out for them. I'd rather have had them spend some resources on churning out some new DLC flyables or something instead of making sure that every single, little FM whiner could go to sleep at night so that the rest of us who weren't spending whole days on these boards could get some fresh content for us to play with! PHEEEEW! It's called making money but in the sim developers world it's called SURVIVING.

[Ailantd]

Yeah but... THAT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN..



Yeah, I know, thats why BoS is not going to have my money.

[r0bc]

Crappy code and limited budget distroyed this Sim...had nothing to do with hate.

[MB_Avro_UK]

It was a combination of factors that caused the end. As in most plane crashes, there is seldom one cause.

But the venom that was spouted by a number of posters on this forum went above and beyond the call of duty.

It was as if Cliffs of Dover had attempted to ravish their mothers...

If I was a developer, there's no way after this experience that I would create a Forum. I would use tried and trusted Beta testers instead.


Best Regards,
MB_Avro

[Bearcat]

Yeah, I know, thats why BoS is not going to have my money.
I am sure they will be I tears all the way to the bank over that....

[furbs]

Bliss, how is the modding going? tried to have a look in the ATAG forum but it seems to have vanished.

[ATAG_Bliss]

Bliss, how is the modding going? tried to have a look in the ATAG forum but it seems to have vanished.

Its getting better everyday.

Those forums aren't public btw ;)

We do have a public discussion section to bring up your concerns/what you want to see fixed 1st.

[fruitbat]

He's acting like he's a moderator here with big boots and a Ban Hammer:rolleyes:

Best Regards,
MB_Avro

agreed.

[Ailantd]

I am sure they will be I tears all the way to the bank over that....

Don´t worry, me neither.

[LukeFF]

If 777 cared so much about accuracy how come their sim has been out 4 years and the SE5A doesn't even have something as simple as trim?

It does, along with a couple of other planes.

It's obvious you don't know much about the sim or clod for that matter.

It's obvious you've not spend much time with ROF lately.

[Wolf_Rider]

Just remember, RoF complete, at the actual christmas sale, is about 287 Dollars.




for only one step above arcade?




+1

Yeah but... THAT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN..







Yeah, I know, thats why BoS is not going to have my money.




or mine...

[SlipBall]

Its getting better everyday.

Those forums aren't public btw ;)

We do have a public discussion section to bring up your concerns/what you want to see fixed 1st.


A link to the thread would help this busy guy :)

[furbs]

for only one step above arcade?











or mine...


And what if it is good...what then? im not saying it defiantly will be good, i have some worries too, but just what if it really good?

[Wolf_Rider]

and what if it is still one step above arcade?? all indicators thus far are indicating that is exactly where it will end up... (complete with the dodgy FSX distorted external view FoV ;) )

[SlipBall]

And what if it is good...what then? im not saying it defiantly will be good, i have some worries too, but just what if it really good?


Why then there would be an extra fee :lol:

[fruitbat]

Its fine and reasonable to have concerns, I know I do.

But to be bitter if it turns out to be great is just plain stupid.

At the end of the day i like flight sims, otherwise i wouldn't be posting here.....

[Wolf_Rider]

you'ds have to define 'great' though... as some fanbois (of any genre) think a 15 fps slideshow, that is their (pick one, any one) game, is great

[raaaid]

Its fine and reasonable to have concerns, I know I do.

But to be bitter if it turns out to be great is just plain stupid.

At the end of the day i like flight sims, otherwise i wouldn't be posting here.....

yeah that was the attitude i was referring to

my english is not good enough i meant:

this has been a failure FOR us all

do you imagine no more sims?

in fact its odd they didnt vanish after the microsoft failure

[SlipBall]

you'ds have to define 'great' though... as some fanbois (of any genre) think a 15 fps slideshow, that is their (pick one, any one) game, is great


Actually that is a good indicator of a strong and versatile engine...built for some longevity as hardware advance in near future.

[Wolf_Rider]

Actually that is a good indicator of a strong and versatile engine...built for some longevity as hardware advance in near future.

lol yes, so they say (and FSX did :) )

[raaaid]

i noticed pay per play game can be run in any system while retail needs high end pcs

as a matter of fact when i see the loading screen takes so long i visualize just actually running a back counter underneath which is set on higher the older your system ;)

[SlipBall]

i noticed pay per play game can be run in any system while retail needs high end pcs

as a matter of fact when i see the loading screen takes so long i visualize just actually running a back counter underneath which is set on higher the older your system ;)

Good observation and deduction...and I think Steam was doing that in the early days of the release

[raaaid]

Good observation and deduction...and I think Steam was doing that in the early days of the release

yeah scarry stuff i could be right about a conspiracy, ponder this:

why games dont offer to chop off graphic stuff till you can run a brand new game in a 10 year old system at 60 fps?

software and hardware industry are in collusion

[Ailantd]

yeah scarry stuff i could be right about a conspiracy, ponder this:

why games dont offer to chop off graphic stuff till you can run a brand new game in a 10 year old system at 60 fps?

software and hardware industry are in collusion

Because is not that simple. You can´t chop off graphics without made graphics and tech for that chopping. Games would need x4 working time and cost x4 if devs prepare all the games for that.

[raaaid]

well apraently many people say the fps improvement in clod was by chopping off things

how much people spent on clod on software and how much on hardware

hell soon someone will realize and offer games for free , anohter kind of pay per win

[Bearcat]

[Mod Edit] No.

[Volksieg]

Oh raaaid....

You are really fond of using all inclusive terminology...

"the failure of clod is a failure of US ALL"

I didn't do nuffink! Just sat here.... enjoying a cigarette... twiddling my thumbs... nothing to do with me. :D

[Hood]

Looks like I was spot on. 3 whole caragraphs of trying to defend why he starts posting in the forums only after the sim is cancelled.

Then talks about his banning and types in bold. If I were to guess I'd say he has a huge inferiority complex / short man's disease. Maybe he doesn't even need the knee pads.

You're doing ATAG proud Bliss. Keep going.

The game at release was rubbish. It failed solely for that reason as they had all of the income they were likely to get early on (games always reducing in price and after 20 months it would only be on sale for peanuts anyway).

They had to spend too long fixing it to make a sequel to bring in more money. 20 months to get to the stage we're at now which is really a beta. They got exactly what they deserved.

What is more amusing is that the CLOD fanboys have been proven wrong but now blame the critics for the game failing - must make them feel warm and fuzzy inside.

This may be a gross generalisation so apologies to anyone it doesn't apply to, but I'm interested how the CLOD fanboys have morphed into IL2:BOS haters. Interesting, no?

Hood

[SlipBall]

I never bought ROF solely based on the posts of people, so you should assume that also happen here as well. It did more harm to the game than any other factor.

[ATAG_Bliss]

Hood,

What I find amusing is all the people coming out of the wood work to promote and constantly talk about BoS on this, the clod forum, when they never had anything good to say about clod. Many people posting now are posting more in this forum in the last couple weeks than they have the entire time clod was out. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out their agenda or what appears to be yours.

I bought ROF the day it was released and suffered through many more horrendous problems than I ever did with cliffs. People always like to compare a game that's been out for years compares to one at release. Clod even in its 1.5 year mark blows ROF away on almost every category that's important to me in a sim. People have only just begun to figure out all what is possible, especially with the coding.

Also, this isn't a popularity contest. I don't understand why people always feel the need to think someone's opinions is those of an entire group. My opinions are based on my experience which is exactly why you'll find that many players that started with ROF are no longer playing it. It runs great, looks decent, and now has many aircraft. But if the sim is never intended to simulate the war around the reasons the planes are there in the 1st place, I like many il2 fans, will lose interest quickly. When I see any of this possible with ROF, I'll believe their BoS might be anything more than just a redskinned ROF.

Given they have a year to completely make a WWII sim from scratch, one would expect the game engine will be almost identical (which the Devs already stated). It's not about the terms people like yourself like to label people, its about what people like myself want to see. If you think I'm gonna spend another $300 for the empty limited world of the ROF engine, I'm not.

If its free, ill download it and take one like at the mission builder and if there's only 30 objects in it (compared to 1000's in IL2) without the ability to place then where ever you want, without the ability to code, without the ability to populate a map with more than 300 static objects, etc, I will uninstall it. People are allowed to have opinions. Mine just so happen to be supported with facts.

[Hood]

Bliss,

that's all well and good. I bought ROF on release also but have only played it in the last 6 months or so. Mainly because it was initially unplayable but then for personal reasons.

I also bought the CLOD collectors edition by pre-order but have only played it properly in the last two months because every time I have tried it before it has been dire.

I don't have an agenda, just opinions. These are that CLOD had so much promise but it ended up being half-baked. ROF started off rubbish but is now a good game in its own right. It isn't perfect for various reasons.

My opinion about BoS is that we won't really know what we'll get until we get it. Any comparisons to any other game is pointless and on that basis your opinion is based on assumptions, not facts.

Coming back to the OP Raaid's jumping on the bandwagon of blaming the critics is funny.

Hood

Edit: You cannot compare any game to IL2, a game with continued official and mod development for 12 years.

[SlipBall]

Hood, I'd love to know your system spec's :grin:

[Hood]

Hood, I'd love to know your system spec's :grin:

From memory as it was bought for CLODs release and that was 20
months ago.

I7 3.06 oc to 4.50
Sabertooth mobo
6gb über RAM
Asus Xonar D2X sound card
120gb SSD
1tb 2nd drive
Gigabyte 580GTX 3Gb Black Edition - might be Gainward and can't check as I'm away from home at the mo.
Dell 24" Ultrasharp monitor.
Win 7 64
Corsair modular PSU 1000w

The graphics card was an upgrade about a year ago to try and get CLOD playable at more than cartoon graphics.

Dont forget that there's more to a games playability and enjoyability than fps alone.

Hood

[SlipBall]

^
very doable

[Sailor Malan]

A Lot of RoF folks did their best to discredit Clod and still do. Sadly they a lot of they ae the people with **** computers, which sadly we have here as well. The devs had to downgrade this sim to work on **** pc,s instead of fixing it to work on new high end pc,s. It does not hold well for the future of flight sims if we keep lowering the developement of hardware/software to suit the few crap
pc owners who play these games

[Wolf_Rider]

It does not hold well for the future of flight sims if we keep lowering the developement of hardware/software to suit the few crap
pc owners who play these games

unfortunately, the noisy minority (by their sheer harrasment factor, and use of plants/ sock-puppets) appear to be the majority

[startrekmike]

Hood,

What I find amusing is all the people coming out of the wood work to promote and constantly talk about BoS on this, the clod forum, when they never had anything good to say about clod. Many people posting now are posting more in this forum in the last couple weeks than they have the entire time clod was out. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out their agenda or what appears to be yours.

I bought ROF the day it was released and suffered through many more horrendous problems than I ever did with cliffs. People always like to compare a game that's been out for years compares to one at release. Clod even in its 1.5 year mark blows ROF away on almost every category that's important to me in a sim. People have only just begun to figure out all what is possible, especially with the coding.

Also, this isn't a popularity contest. I don't understand why people always feel the need to think someone's opinions is those of an entire group. My opinions are based on my experience which is exactly why you'll find that many players that started with ROF are no longer playing it. It runs great, looks decent, and now has many aircraft. But if the sim is never intended to simulate the war around the reasons the planes are there in the 1st place, I like many il2 fans, will lose interest quickly. When I see any of this possible with ROF, I'll believe their BoS might be anything more than just a redskinned ROF.

Given they have a year to completely make a WWII sim from scratch, one would expect the game engine will be almost identical (which the Devs already stated). It's not about the terms people like yourself like to label people, its about what people like myself want to see. If you think I'm gonna spend another $300 for the empty limited world of the ROF engine, I'm not.

If its free, ill download it and take one like at the mission builder and if there's only 30 objects in it (compared to 1000's in IL2) without the ability to place then where ever you want, without the ability to code, without the ability to populate a map with more than 300 static objects, etc, I will uninstall it. People are allowed to have opinions. Mine just so happen to be supported with facts.

I think you will be pleasantly surprised if you go in the editor and check out the channel map, a fair bit more than 300 hundred objects to be sure.

Not trying to rag on you, we have already had our discussions about this but I think that many here are basing their opinion on ROF on how it was when it was released, the fact of the matter is that it runs very well now, the proper airplanes have trim, we have a couple of really good maps (I know, I know, it looks "cartoon" but it serves it's purpose to me I suppose), it is far from arcade, in fact, it probably has a better flight model and engine model than many here are willing to give it credit for, just because the airplanes are simple does not mean the game engine is.

This thread is just going to continue down the road of hate on both sides, regardless, I would love it if some of the ROF haters on here would just take a few steps back and give the sim a try, not saying you have to, but it might help clear up a few misconceptions that I see on here (not saying they are from you, just, in general).



A Lot of RoF folks did their best to discredit Clod and still do. Sadly they a lot of they ae the people with **** computers, which sadly we have here as well. The devs had to downgrade this sim to work on **** pc,s instead of fixing it to work on new high end pc,s. It does not hold well for the future of flight sims if we keep lowering the developement of hardware/software to suit the few ****
pc owners who play these games


I joined this forum a couple of months before the announcement of BoS but as a not only a avid CloD fan but also a ROF fan, I don't think that ROF fans are orchestrating some sort of smear campaign against CloD, to be perfectly honest, I think CloD speaks for itself in that regard very well.

You see, I am of mixed feeling about CloD, when I am flying a mission, I generally love it, I like how the cockpit looks, I like the clickable components of it (though I wish it was more complete, like DCS in that regard) and I like the ground textures but when I am not in the pilots seat, dealing with CloD is far from fun.

CloD suffers because it's features are stuck behind a barely functional menu system that heavily restricts quick battle (you need to drag those files into the editor just to change your loadout and set the AI so it does not barrel roll into the ocean so much), a weather system that was removed (a real immersion breaker for me), clouds that don't really do much at all (again, immersion breaker) occasional but severe stuttering that seems to be more about the game engine than my system (only happens in specific spots on the map) and finally, it suffers because it was largely broken when it shipped, it has gotten much better now but it might have been too little, too late.

ROF is not getting this (by the general public at least) because it works out of the box, you download the software and everything is pretty quick and easy to deal with, the aircraft feel diverse and satisfying (as do CloD's), the menu systems provide all the functionality that you would expect (you can set up your quickbattles with the ability to edit your loadout in the process!), the physics feel very satisfying, no other sim gives me such a convincing sensation of flight (though CloD and DCS are close seconds in that regard), and the weapons, CEM and damage model all do a great job and are far more realistic than many on this board are willing to admit.

Look, I am a fan of both but there are two things I hate about this whole situation more than any other, I hate the misinformation and I hate the petty bickering that I would expect on the little league baseball field between two parents that berate each other and the players due to blind pride.

So, lets get some facts straight once and for all, keep in mind, I am a big fan of both CloD and ROF and I play both a great deal.

1.) Both are simulations, neither are arcade, lets just get that stupid myth out of this discussion once and for all, makes me sad to see so many leveling the "arcade" accusation at ROF when it is clearly not, both are sims.

2.) Both ROF and CloD had rough releases, ROF had the benefit of changing management and CloD did not, as a result, ROF is still being supported and CloD is not, neither fan base can change how things went down, all we can do is move on and support whatever sim we like.

3.) CloD's clickable cockpits are not the amazing element that tips the scales in terms of simulation, coming from playing DCS A-10C, CloD's cockpits are pretty but don't really feel that much more functional than ROF's, sure, you can flip a switch or two and move some levers but many of those functions are only really used on the ground, not in combat, ROF can't really do clickables because everything in the cockpit is a lever (aside from the mag switches) and it just would not make much sense to make them clickable when that would just make the sim more clunky, get yourself a throttle quadrant and it would feel just as realistic.

4.) ROF runs well because it is geared to a lower end system, that is not a bad thing and does not limit it in the way that many here seem to think, all this DX9 vs DX10/11 is nonsense and not founded on any facts, still, the fact remains that I have a modest system and I run both CloD and ROF pretty well, suffice it to say, ROF does run smoother 100% of the time whereas CloD tends to chug a bit over cities (not bad, but noticeable). Personally, I don't think ROF looks bad at all considering the spec's they are shooting for, heck, the specs even went up a bit with the release of the channel, object counts went up and they made the water more realistic, the fact is, ROF runs well on a variety of systems, that should always be the goal in software development because if you don't do that and you just cater to the noisy minority that need to justify a $1000+ PC, well, you software will fail because nobody else will want to play it at such reduced visual settings that it looks like a 15 year old game because they don't meet absurd system requirements.

Not every flight sim fan on this board or the ROF board has a heavy duty gaming PC, some of us can't afford them and would still like to enjoy the hobby, ROF scales well and looks good on multiple system configurations, if we are going to act like that is bad, I don't know what to tell you all.

Now, before you all sit here and pick my post apart and say "that sounds antagonistic to the CloD community, I am offended personally!" Keep in mind that I have said it before, I am a big fan of both but I am damn tired of feeling like a second class citizen here just because I like both, you guys are making it seem like you have to pledge your loyalty to one or the other, that is false and everybody knows it.

This kind of infighting only hurts the flight sim community at large, both ROF fans and CloD fans seem to be guilty of it and it should really stop because it solves nothing at all.

So, lets just play what we like, and act like adults.

[ATAG_Bliss]

I'm not talking about the static textures that make up a game map. I'm talking about the amount of static objects you can additionally add to a mission.

If the channel map has more than 300 of those, then imagine the 10's of 1000's the clod map does let alone London.

To build scenarios you need to be able to add, create, modify the existing map. And only being able to add 300 objects doesn't cut the mustard for me. And it definitely won't for a WWII sim with a major focus on ground pounding.

[startrekmike]

I'm not talking about the static textures that make up a game map. I'm talking about the amount of static objects you can additionally add to a mission.

If the channel map has more than 300 of those, then imagine the 10's of 1000's the clod map does let alone London.

To build scenarios you need to be able to add, create, modify the existing map. And only being able to add 300 objects doesn't cut the mustard for me. And it definitely won't for a WWII sim with a major focus on ground pounding.

I am not talking about objects that are already placed on the map, I am talking about the 3000 plus that you can add, move, modify and change around at well.

I know you probably should not buy the channel map just to check it in the editor but I think you should probably talk to some the mission builders (or those that have messed with the channel map in the editor) before you make such claims.

I don't want this to turn into another fight, I am just saying that you can add 3000+ objects into the editor now and manipulate them at will.

Please note, I only say 3000+ because I don't know the actual limit, it could be more but that is what I saw in the editor myself.

[Wolf_Rider]

ROF is not getting this (by the general public at least) because it works out of the box,
Look, I am a fan of both but there are two things I hate about this whole situation more than any other, I hate the misinformation and I hate the petty bickering that I would expect on the little league baseball field between two parents that berate each other and the players due to blind pride.



you left out that RoF was a shocker when it first came out and it came out, many, many years ago now... you're ball




3.) CloD's clickable cockpits are not the amazing element that tips the scales in terms of simulation,



That's right... a clickable cockpit sets the bar at what a sim should be




4.) ROF runs well because it is geared to a lower end system, that is not a bad thing and does not limit it in the way that many here seem to think, all this DX9 vs DX10/11 is nonsense and not founded on any facts, still, the fact remains that I have a modest system and I run both CloD and ROF pretty well, suffice it to say, ROF does run smoother 100% of the time whereas CloD tends to chug a bit over cities (not bad, but noticeable).



yep RoF has been out for years and CoD hasn't and CoD was still in the optimisation stage and with a six month old graphics engine...
if it "geared for a low end system", it should run exceptionally well on a high ender. Why doesn't it?



Personally, I don't think ROF looks bad at all considering the spec's they are shooting for, heck, the specs even went up a bit with the release of the channel, object counts went up and they made the water more realistic, the fact is, ROF runs well on a variety of systems, that should always be the goal in software development because if you don't do that and you just cater to the noisy minority that need to justify a $1000+ PC, well, you software will fail because nobody else will want to play it at such reduced visual settings that it looks like a 15 year old game because they don't meet absurd system requirements.
Not every flight sim fan on this board or the ROF board has a heavy duty gaming PC, some of us can't afford them and would still like to enjoy the hobby, ROF scales well and looks good on multiple system configurations, if we are going to act like that is bad, I don't know what to tell you all.



(When you're writing copy, you have to remember what you wrote previously, so you don't get up in your own vibe ;) how is that sound bug, which has been there for ages and excacerbated by the new map?

[ATAG_Bliss]

There is a sticky with the limitations for mission building right on the ROF website. There's noone adding 3000 objects to a ROF mission in the MP world. Its only a few hundred to give you an idea. I take it you've never built a ROF mission?

Also you can not manipulate objects at will. You can't even raise an object off the ground in ROF (no Z axis). Objects are also coded to certain areas where u can place them in ROF.

For instance if I wanted to draw my name with mine ship destroyers in clod right over the top of an airfield, I can do it. I can bury them in the ground (any object) or have them float like a balloon in clod. The ROF ME doesn't come close to anything in the FMB.

[startrekmike]

There is a sticky with the limitations for mission building right on the ROF website. There's noone adding 3000 objects to a ROF mission in the MP world. Its only a few hundred to give you an idea. I take it you've never built a ROF mission?

Actually, I have, I have been nice to you and yet you still go straight to insults with the "I take it you have never built a ROF mission" crap, jeeze, I have no idea where your hate is coming from.

Anyway, after downloading the latest update, I was able to place "templates" of objects (buildings, things like that) that numbered more than 3000, now, I would not try to make all of them a "linked object" with AI and such but that is hardly needed in a mission anyway.

Still, the fact remains that I have seen with my own eyes and by my own hands more than 3000 objects on the channel map, I am not sure how many "linked objects" I can add out of that but I am sure that I will find the time to do so and report to you what I find.

Again, no need to get testy, I have not slung any insults at you, no need to sling them at me.

Oh, by the way, that sticky is a bit outdated now, if you had checked the date you would know that.

[ATAG_Bliss]

Mike,

I don't think you are getting it. I've added 100,000 trenches in a mission for clod just as a test. The limitation comes in when players come in, hence me talking about MP. I have no doubt that u can sit there and make a template with countless objects in the mission builder, but I know for a fact it won't work for a MP mission (full server). Hopefully you understand now.

Edit: And no reason to take the question I asked personally. Every mission builder in ROF is fully aware of the limitations I talk about. The only reason I asked was because it was quite clear you didn't know about them. So please calm down.

[startrekmike]

Mike,

I don't think you are getting it. I've added 100,000 trenches in a mission for clod just as a test. The limitation comes in when players come in, hence me talking about MP. I have no doubt that u can sit there and make a template with countless objects in the mission builder, but I know for a fact it won't work for a MP mission (full server). Hopefully you understand now.

Edit: And no reason to take the question I asked personally. Every mission builder in ROF is fully aware of the limitations I talk about. The only reason I asked was because it was quite clear you didn't know about them. So please calm down.


Perhaps you are right, I don't make large scale MP missions (at the most 10 players) so I don't worry about limits that others might.

Also, perhaps I am too used to reddit where "I take it you" generally means a insulting tone, forgive the confusion.

So, I stand corrected, at least on this.

[SlipBall]

I don't think that we will ever again see anything as good as Clod was...I'm doing a complete youtube exposé on the release vershion :evil:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7G6G8dlmnKU

[Fjordmonkey]

I don't think that we will ever again see anything as good as Clod was...I'm doing a complete youtube exposé on the release vershion :evil:

Don't sell your bearskin before the cub is even born :P

Will we see anything as good as CLoD again? Most likely, yes.
Will we see anything as good as CLoD for quite a few years yet? No, not very likely.

[Hood]

You can put lipstick on a pig, but it's still a pig.

An attractive and fun pig, but a pig nonetheless.

Hood

[Fjordmonkey]

You can put lipstick on a pig, but it's still a pig.

An attractive and fun pig, but a pig nonetheless.

Hood

Good thing I like pork :P

[SlipBall]

You can put lipstick on a pig, but it's still a pig.

An attractive and fun pig, but a pig nonetheless.

Hood

Wow Hood...you just destroyed any credibility I had for you

[Lexicon]

I don't think that we will ever again see anything as good as Clod was...I'm doing a complete youtube exposé on the release vershion :evil:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7G6G8dlmnKU

Well, I would agree but with a slight modification to your statement :

I don't think that we will ever again see anything as good as Clod if CLOD was working and looking as good as expected...

I personnaly think that in its actual state, CLOD is to buggy and limited to be considered to be the "best"...We tend to forgive its flaws and only see its good points when we compare with others sims...And forget the fact that it was never completed because of to many issues with its fondamental design...

Salute !

[Hood]

Wow Hood...you just destroyed any credibility I had for you

Why?

[*Buzzsaw*]

Salute

CLIFFS OF DOVER has not yet failed.

The Publishers have given up on it, but us, the community, have not.

Wait and see. ;)

[SlipBall]

Why?

I thought you meant the spit girl :-P

[Hood]

I thought you meant the spit girl :-P

A-hah

:grin:

[Bearcat]

Before I do anything else in this tread or on these boards first off let me apologize to the mods here and the readers of my inappropriate post that has since been edited by the staff. While my ire was justified and still is, my manner of expressing it was totally out of line and for that I do apologize.

Now as far as the original incident which sparked my indignation I will say this..

Why are you posting here? You hardly posted anything when clod was out but now that you have your 777 knee pads on you've posted more in the last 2 weeks in the clod forums than you have the entire time the game was out. Take your own advice to moderation and stay away.

That was un called for. First of all, this is a public forum and I will post here as often as I please. As long as I am not breaking the rules it really should be no concern of yours. Hopefully some sense of common courtesy will be extended to me which you seem to find so difficult to do, not only to me but to others as well from what I have seen. I may not have posted here much but I have been reading these specific boards since they were opened as an owner of a sim that I could not run at the time of purchase, but that was purchased mainly to support the development of the product and I have been posting on the IL2 boards all along. I just didn't post here much because up until I upgraded to my current rig in September I could not run CoD well enough to even be able to have anything but a negative opinion of it. Now I am in a better position to actually comment on it and so I do.

Perhaps it is because I am not as heavily invested in it timewise as some of you may be that I don't think the end of the world is near but I am entitled to an opinion regardless to whether or not it lines up with yours and should be able to post it without being insulted, and unlike you, there was nothing that I said in this thread prior to my outburst that warranted the knee pads crack, which could be construed any number of ways, some more vulgar than others but all of them insulting and condescending.Some of you talk about the critics who contributed to the demise of CoD through forum rants.. if that were at all possible.. which I doubt.. then some of you should look in the mirror because that shoddy behavior that you guys speak of went both ways.

Why are you posting here? You hardly posted anything when clod was out but now that you have your 777 knee pads on you've posted more in the last 2 weeks in the clod forums than you have the entire time the game was out. Take your own advice to moderation and stay away.Indeed. Wise words:!: Bearcat when he was a moderator for a time on the old il2 forum stated that he had no interest in Cliffs of Dover. Something to do perhaps with it being a British event before the USA was involved in WW2?
He's acting like he's a moderator here with big boots and a Ban Hammer
Why was he 'elected' as a moderator on the other forum? Maybe his stern and harsh words such as... 'Now hear this' etc. Yawn....
MB_Avro

You are wrong. Get your facts straight before you speak on things you know nothing about. I never said that or anything near it, at least not prior to Cliffs of Dover's release. I may have said that I preferred a different theater for starters, like many others, but I was just as psyched and in anticipation of the release of SoW:BoB as everyone else was and as I said I would all along, even when some were calling it "vaporware" and saying that it was not going to happen, I supported Cliffs of Dover from day one, before it was even released. I bought it as a DD from UBI within the first week or so after it was released even after the bad initial reviews. I also stated on more than one occasion, on more than one forum that I had no doubts that Oleg & 1C would deliver. I was just as disappointed as everyone else when that did not happen. After the release of Cliffs of Dover and in light of the negativity I continually, up until the time that it just didn't matter to me anymore, which was when Oleg split which was also well before the current state of affairs as far as 1C777 goes, stated on more than one occasion and in more than one place that I was confident that Oleg & 1C would fix things.. but I did not speak much on the sim itself much because even though I owned it.. I couldn't fly it. Now that I can actually fly it I can comment more on it and give opinions based on my own experiences and not hearsay... The behavior by some folks on this board in particular I can comment on.. because I can read. I may not have posted here much for the reasons stated above .. but I have lurked here just to keep an eye on the progress for the day when I could run CoD and I have seen the same rudeness projected at me projected at others who were less than satisfied with Cliffs of Dover and I also read some of the nasty comments made by some of it's critics as well and both are two sides of the same coin ugly from where I sit.

Acting like I am a moderator here? Riiiight... I am not a moderator here.. so that makes little sense.

As for my moderating on the IL2 boards.. That has nothing to do with anything over here and the two people that I did ban are both in this thread.. go figure...

Lastly.. One thing you can rest assured of... if/when you do come back over to the IL2 boards in the future.. you won't have any issues from me concerning anything that happens over here. I am just a poster here and have to abide by the same rules as everyone else. Similar rules apply across town.

Hood,
What I find amusing is all the people coming out of the wood work to promote and constantly talk about BoS on this, the clod forum, when they never had anything good to say about clod. Many people posting now are posting more in this forum in the last couple weeks than they have the entire time clod was out. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out their agenda or what appears to be yours..........

Also, this isn't a popularity contest. I don't understand why people always feel the need to think someone's opinions is those of an entire group. My opinions are based on my experience which is exactly why you'll find that many players that started with ROF are no longer playing it. It runs great, looks decent, and now has many aircraft. But if the sim is never intended to simulate the war around the reasons the planes are there in the 1st place, I like many il2 fans, will lose interest quickly. When I see any of this possible with ROF, I'll believe their BoS might be anything more than just a redskinned ROF.

Given they have a year to completely make a WWII sim from scratch, one would expect the game engine will be almost identical (which the Devs already stated). It's not about the terms people like yourself like to label people, its about what people like myself want to see. If you think I'm gonna spend another $300 for the empty limited world of the ROF engine, I'm not.


I can't speak for others but my reasons for posting here now have already been stated aboveand it did not start with the demise of 1C just coincidentally coincided with it.. Like you I also had issues with RoF in the beginning and did not delve into it much at all until it became available as an offline sim as well but I did not come here specifically to promote RoF on this forum but under the circumstances comparisons will be made along with speculations on IL2BoS.. It is my hope that they do not have to make this from scratch.. I suspect t6hat there will be as much cross pollination as possible and I also think that the developers are being prudent in not giving away too much. I think that these guys will learn from the mistakes made with CoD, WoP and even IL2.. I have the same level of hope and expectation that I had before CoD was released.

Originally Posted by ATAG_Bliss View Post
Looks like I was spot on. 3 whole caragraphs of trying to defend why he starts posting in the forums only after the sim is cancelled.
Then talks about his banning and types in bold. If I were to guess I'd say he has a huge inferiority complex / short man's disease. Maybe he doesn't even need the knee pads.

No.. you were wrong.. I was just out of town and did not want to respond to this on my tablet. When posting on the internet I use bold to make emphasis on points that get lost in translation yet would be obvious were we face to face so as to minimize the possibility of misinterpretation of my meaning.. nothing more. You make these disparaging remarks about knee pads and other such condescending remarks, as if that makes your opinion more valid. It doesn't. .. and what gives you the right to treat people that way even if you don't like what they post about Cliffs of Dover? Nothing. I don't care who you are, if you are a developer or a moderator or whatever.. that does not give you the right to treat people that way just as I had no right to use the language that I used in my initial response to your (plural) posts. As I stated above, my reasons for posting here are what they are.. and frankly .. in reality they are NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS.. You, Avro and anyone else here can think what you want to about me.. but I will not let you slander me, lie about me or treat me in a way that I would not treat you. Not here.. not face to face.. not now .. not yesterday.. not tomorrow ... not ever.

[ATAG_Bliss]

I just call it like I see it. You are 777's new minion. Have fun with that.

[Jatta Raso]

i bought the game even before it launched
i went with the after release development all along
i kept positive attitude in here, helped ppl with issues whenever i could
i kept playing in ATAG in spite the issues

i didn't fail.

neither did WE as a supporting community.

no pal. 1C FAILED US. they finally faced the truth that their product is beyond repair, doesn't even provide for a decent platform for future releases. which is a shame really, realising the many things it does right.

p.s. - cargy and david haywort, don't commit suicide just yet!!! 1C might be back with 777 and make it work, who knows!!

[Bearcat]

I just call it like I see it. You are 777's new minion. Have fun with that.


Whatever.. if that idea makes you feel good then go for it..

I intend to have a lot of fun with BoS .. RoF and every other sim that I have bought and paid for that is still valid in some way , including Cliffs of Dover .. but I am no one's "minion" and nothing that comes out of your head will change that.

[ATAG_Bliss]

I suggest you re-read what I said. You come to this forum puffing your chest, talking in bold about how you will ban others on another forum. I'm gonna guess most people see that and laugh. You talk about your moderation here and yet pull the same stunts you say you will ban for on another forum. You are not only a minion, but a hypocrite as well. You are the perfect candidate. Again, sorry for calling you out. You should stick to your own advice next time.

[JG52Uther]

OK enough with the personal issues please.If you need to have it out do it via pm.

[bongodriver]

i bought the game even before it launched
i went with the after release development all along
i kept positive attitude in here, helped ppl with issues whenever i could
i kept playing in ATAG in spite the issues

i didn't fail.

neither did WE as a supporting community.

no pal. 1C FAILED US. they finally faced the truth that their product is beyond repair, doesn't even provide for a decent platform for future releases. which is a shame really, realising the many things it does right.

p.s. - cargy and david haywort, don't commit suicide just yet!!! 1C might be back with 777 and make it work, who knows!!

This illustrates the mindset very well, a complete inability to think beyond themself and not include themselves in a collective, and the very small attempt to mention a collective was wholly innacurate, here there was NO SUCH THING as a supportive community here, there was an element of people willing to be patient but don't go mistaking paying money as complete support, once some people parted with that cash they though they bought a licence to kick Luthier in the face, it was going to take some years of sales to recoup development cost of something like COD, but once 1C saw the whining they knew the return was unlikely, because no matter what they tried to fix there was some other a'hole ready to lay the boot in over another issue, mainly over features people wanted but ironically these same people can live quite happily without those things now 777 are developing a sim.....go figure.

I would really like to see hard evidence of this alleged 'broken code' that could not be repaired, obviously the initial release was a mes but the subsequent engine fix gave us (most of us) a pretty stable sim that still looked better than anything else, certainly more than we can expect with the new BOS (yet people are practically crapping themselves with excitement over the lack of features being promised by BOS).....

'we are going to build a new sim with absolutely no fancy features based on an old DX9 engine but it will work out of the box'

'yayyy!!! were getting a featureless blandfest with nothing fancy but satisfies our entitlement to instant gratification'

Well it better bloody work out of the box, theres absolutely NO excuse for bugs on an engine released in 2009.....oh wait!

[furbs]

If all of that balls is true Bongo then...

why are there 10x more people still playing IL2?

why did Luthier say himself they couldn't fix it?

Why has it been cancelled?

I mean, Luthier must of shown the years work on the sequel to the people who pay his wages, if that work was great and the fixes he said were coming were done, why did they fire him?

Was there a agenda from every country where COD was released, Germany, Russia, France, the US?

[Bearcat]

I suggest you re-read what I said. You come to this forum puffing your chest, talking in bold about how you will ban others on another forum. I'm gonna guess most people see that and laugh. You talk about your moderation here and yet pull the same stunts you say you will ban for on another forum. You are not only a minion, but a hypocrite as well. You are the perfect candidate. Again, sorry for calling you out. You should stick to your own advice next time.

No YOU need to reread what you said.. and then reread what I said and then get your facts straight.

I registered at this forum in October of 2007. I have been posting on the IL2 boards since then so don't talk to me about coming here now that CoD is dead... which was already addressed anyway.

Since you said:
You come to this forum puffing your chest, talking in bold about how you will ban others on another forum. I'm gonna guess most people see that and laugh.

I can only surmise that you are referring to my posts in this thread (http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=36551) since you comment on my speaking of "how I will ban others" and that it is the only thread on these boards that I have said that. You need to read that entire thread instead of knee jerk reacting to my first post in that same thread before you go shooting off at the mouth AGAIN about things yo know nothing about. I stand by every single comment in that thread from start to finish.

I said NOTHING about banning ANYONE in this thread in the context which you mention so you are way off base here by even bringing it into this discussion. If you have an issue with me from a different thread then you need to be man enough or mature enough as others have in this thread to come to me in a PM and address your concerns like a MAN since we will never meet and this is all internet testosterone from you anyway. You are wrong man. Flat out. You have no call to address me in the manner in which you have and I will not stand for it. If we have to go back and forth with this til a moderator comes and locks this or bans us both I will NOT let you slander me here with your comments .. not today not ever.. I am too d@mn old to start taking nonsense from fools and I refuse to start now.

If you have an issue with me you need to either GET OVER IT or try to work through it but sitting here calling me names will do nothing but give me more stuff to type. I tell you what though.. if you were on the IL2 boards spouting this tripe about someone else you would be GONE BABY GONE for sure. So you can sit here, where you seem to have a license to Ill till the cows come home.. You bring this nonsense to the other side of town and yes.. it will not be tolerated. Do you want that in bold? You will not be allowed to treat people with such disdain on the IL2 boards. That is not the atmosphere that we want over there and it will not be tolerated.

[bongodriver]

why are there 10x more people still playing IL2?



You really can't figure it out? 10 years worth of time as a released game opposed to just 1.5


why did Luthier say himself they couldn't fix it?



I'm sure you'll find the quote and I'm equally sure it was probably taken out of context if it happened


Why has it been cancelled?



Did you read all that balls I wrote?


I mean, Luthier must of shown the years work on the sequel to the people who pay his wages, if that work was great and the fixes he said were coming were done, why did they fire him?


1c's fingers were on the trigger and getting itchy, ultimately the work Luthier needed to do was going to cost more money and thats why they fired him.

[ATAG_Bliss]

BC,

Are u trying to threaten me now? Wow, get a life.

Everything I said is obviously true. And now you call me a fool? Grab a tissue please

[Fjordmonkey]

Give it a rest already, muppets. It's getting silly.

[Bearcat]

If all of that balls is true Bongo then...

why are there 10x more people still playing IL2?

why did Luthier say himself they couldn't fix it?

Why has it been cancelled?

I mean, Luthier must of shown the years work on the sequel to the people who pay his wages, if that work was great and the fixes he said were coming were done, why did they fire him?

Was there a agenda from every country where COD was released, Germany, Russia, France, the US?

IL2 is STILL after 11 years the king of WWII flight sims.. for all the same reasons that a fact 5 years ago. CoD is a thing of beauty in many ways and hope that the best of it can be brought to BoS ... I have nol idea what Bos will be like and now that I can I want to get more into CoD to raise my level of expectation but for me IL2 is still the king and if BoS does everything that IL2 does 15% better with the same possibilities as far as the engine goes I will be happy. If we can get the CoD level of graphics and CEM or close to it.. it doesn't have to be exact.. but if it looks AT LEAST like WoP and flies like a best of IL2/Cod I will be happy.

[furbs]

Yep, and bugger all to do with anything written on this forum or the french, German or Italian or Russian forums.

COD just didn't sell enough.

[furbs]

IL2 is STILL after 11 years the king of WWII flight sims.. for all the same reasons that a fact 5 years ago. CoD is a thing of beauty in many ways and hope that the best of it can be brought to BoS ... I have nol idea what Bos will be like and now that I can I want to get more into CoD to raise my level of expectation but for me IL2 is still the king and if BoS does everything that IL2 does 15% better with the same possibilities as far as the engine goes I will be happy. If we can get the CoD level of graphics and CEM or close to it.. it doesn't have to be exact.. but if it looks AT LEAST like WoP and flies like a best of IL2/Cod I will be happy.

PM sent.

[Bearcat]

BC,
Are u trying to threaten me now? Wow, get a life.
Everything I said is obviously true. And now you call me a fool? Grab a tissue please

Not at all Bliss.. and I have a life. a very full one.. I also have no need for a tissue, certainly not over the likes of you, but YOU need to think about how you address people going forward and you should not talk to people the way you do.. and that is all I am saying. You can take it or leave it.

You were wrong to address me the way you did and I will not stand for it. I have done nothing to you or disparaged you and yet you talk to me the way you do? Why? .. .. and I have to take it.. because you are ATAG_Bliss? No man.. This is not that kind of party. I walk as I walk and I walk the same way in the flesh and in cyberspace and I will not let you or anyone else piss on me and call it rain. "I don't scratch my head unless it itches and I don't dance unless I hear some music and I will not be intimidated", by you or anyone else. ..

[ATAG_Bliss]

Not at all.. You simply, by your own words, admitted everything I said you were and why you were here.

You, yet again, talk about banning people on another forum. I could care less if you registered on 1c's forum in 2007. You didn't start posting in this particular forum until the sim this forum was for is cancelled. All the while talking about BoS and what your moderation will be like for a completely different forum.

You've now done it twice in this thread. With words like "GONE BABY GONE" it makes me believe you are nothing but a mere child crying about his toys being removed.

As I already stated, I call it like I see it. Thanks for proving everything I said was correct. Enjoy the ban hammer and moderation on another forum that has nothing to do with Cliffs of Dover. Again, you seem like the perfect minion. With your essays and bold type, I think you will do well. You might even convince yourself. Congrats.

[planespotter]

Take it somewhere else pls guys...embarrassing

http://sushibandit.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/doorporn.gif

[Jatta Raso]

driver... less bongo. i'm not 1C's mother WTF...

[Bearcat]

Not at all.. You simply, by your own words, admitted everything I said you were and why you were here.

You, yet again, talk about banning people on another forum. I could care less if you registered on 1c's forum in 2007. You didn't start posting in this particular forum until the sim this forum was for is cancelled. All the while talking about BoS and what your moderation will be like for a completely different forum.

You've now done it twice in this thread. With words like "GONE BABY GONE" it makes me believe you are nothing but a mere child crying about his toys being removed.

As I already stated, I call it like I see it. Thanks for proving everything I said was correct. Enjoy the ban hammer and moderation on another forum that has nothing to do with Cliffs of Dover. Again, you seem like the perfect minion. With your essays and bold type, I think you will do well. You might even convince yourself. Congrats.

This............

Not at all Bliss.. and I have a life. a very full one.. I also have no need for a tissue, certainly not over the likes of you, but YOU need to think about how you address people going forward and you should not talk to people the way you do.. and that is all I am saying. You can take it or leave it.

You were wrong to address me the way you did and I will not stand for it. I have done nothing to you or disparaged you and yet you talk to me the way you do? Why? .. .. and I have to take it.. because you are ATAG_Bliss? No man.. This is not that kind of party. I walk as I walk and I walk the same way in the flesh and in cyberspace and I will not let you or anyone else piss on me and call it rain. "I don't scratch my head unless it itches and I don't dance unless I hear some music and I will not be intimidated", by you or anyone else. ..

[Wolf_Rider]

You have no call to address me in the manner in which you have and I will not stand for it. If we have to go back and forth with this til a moderator comes and locks this or bans us both I will NOT let you slander me here with your comments .. not today not ever.. I am too d@mn old to start taking nonsense from [b]fools and I refuse to start now.

If you have an issue with me you need to either GET OVER IT or try to work through it but sitting here calling me names will do nothing but give me more stuff to type. I tell you what though.. if you were on the IL2 boards spouting this tripe about someone else you would be GONE BABY GONE for sure. So you can sit here, where you seem to have a license to Ill till the cows come home.. You bring this nonsense to the other side of town and yes.. it will not be tolerated. Do you want that in bold? You will not be allowed to treat people with such disdain on the IL2 boards. That is not the atmosphere that we want over there and it will not be tolerated.

well, you seem to be both calling people names and treating them with disdain yourself... perhaps, you should 'get over it' ? To use your words; "man up", and practise what you preach - this carryon you're persuing here, you wouldn't tolerate at your place!










I have nol idea what Bos will be like and now that I can I want to get more into CoD to raise my level of expectation but for me IL2 is still the king and if BoS does everything that IL2 does 15% better with the same possibilities as far as the engine goes I will be happy. If we can get the CoD level of graphics and CEM or close to it.. it doesn't have to be exact.. but if it looks AT LEAST like WoP and flies like a best of IL2/Cod I will be happy.

ain't gonna happen... you're boss has already stomped his foot down there. A "dumbed down" version is what will be presented

[Bearcat]

well, you seem to be both calling people names and treating them with disdain yourself... perhaps, you should 'get over it' ?

ain't gonna happen... you're boss has already stomped his foot down there. A "dumbed down" version is what will be presented

Please.. Read this thread and tell me where I called someone names.. Who'd I call names? In my deleted post I may have said that someone acted in a certain way as in like a ______ .. and that was true..but I didn't call anyone anything.. as for my boss.. well first off he is not my boss.. I have to get a paycheck to have a boss.. secondly I guarantee you that whatever comes from this venture won't take as long as it took to produce what eventually became Cliffs of Dover and it may not be the "technical milestone" that Cod was.. but I bet it will work.. and work on a range of PC that goes beyond the top of the line rigs..

[Wolf_Rider]

Please.. Read this thread and tell me where I called someone names.. Who'd I call names? In my deleted post I may have said that someone acted in a certain way as in like a ______ .. and that was true..but I didn't call anyone anything..



have another read...




a for my boss.. well first off he is not my boss.. I have to get a paycheck to have a boss...


no, you don't have to have a paycheck to have a boss, it is not a pre-requisite to have a paycheck to have a boss... try pulling the other one :)





secondly I guarantee you that whatever comes from this venture won't take as long as it took to produce what eventually became Cliffs of Dover and it may not be the "technical milestone" that Cod was.. but I bet it will work.. and work on a range of PC that go beyond the top of the line rigs..



well, the channel map doesn't quite seem to work... is that an indication of what the future holds? will the long present sound bug be included for free?
Keep in mind RoF was atrocious at its first release.... never forget that!

I am glad you agree though, that "it may not be the "technical milestone" that Cod was". So why were you trying to beat it up into something you now suggest it might not be? and again you're right... it won't take as long... that is because a fair amount of the work has already been done ;)

Crikey... if CloD was given another twelve months of interference free grace, what could have come from that?

[Bearcat]

have another read...
no, you don't have to have a paycheck to have a boss, it is not a pre-requisite to have a paycheck to have a boss... try pulling the other one :)

well, the channel map doesn't quite seem to work... is that an indication of what the future holds? will the long present sound bug be included for free?
Keep in mind RoF was atrocious at its first release.... never forget that!

I am glad you agree though, that "it may not be the "technical milestone" that Cod was". So why were you trying to beat it up into something you now suggest it might not be? and again you're right... it won't take as long... that is because a fair amount of the work has already been done ;)

Crikey... if CloD was given another twelve months of interference free grace, what could have come from that?

ROFLMAO!!! You remind me of these guys...
http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr95/99th_Bearcat/440px-HydraOrganization_Head_zps486249cd.jpg

I hope that modders working for free can do what the sims developers working for a paycheck couldn't ... seriously.. You seem to think that this is some kind of CoD vs RoF thing with me.. it isn't ..

I... just wanna fly.. and I will take the best thing smoking.. I just want Somebody ... from somewhere .. I don't care where.. and I will pay.. to give me a next level WWII sim capable of becoming what IL2 is to me... If that's 1C777 then I am all in if it isn't then I hope whoever it is steps up and delivers.. so far everyone has let me down.. You can do what you want to do .. I really don't care. Just don't hate on me for breathin..

[vranac]

______ .. and that was true..but I didn't call anyone anything.. as for my boss.. well first off he is not my boss.. I have to get a paycheck to have a boss.. secondly I guarantee you that whatever comes from this venture won't take as long as it took to produce what eventually became Cliffs of Dover and it may not be the "technical milestone" that Cod was.. but I bet it will work.. and work on a range of PC that goes beyond the top of the line rigs..

You are the mercenary from another forum, earning your pay ( free maps , planes or ammo maybe ), here, and just stop that !

[vranac]

Yes it will work on dx9 with no fancy graphic , no CEM , no ground units
like devs said , that use resources .... we wil loose money

[Wolf_Rider]

ROFLMAO!!!


the expected reaction to being put right ;)





iEDIT

to address your edited post....

..

I... just wanna fly.. and I will take the best thing smoking.. I just want Somebody ... from somewhere .. I don't care where.. and I will pay.. to give me a next level WWII sim capable of becoming what IL2 is to me... If that's 1C777 then I am all in if it isn't then I hope whoever it is steps up and delivers.. so far everyone has let me down.. You can do what you want to do .. I really don't care. Just don't hate on me for breathin..


that ain't going to be from 777 though

;0 here's a tip for you... if you won't tolerate it, there at your place, please at least maintain a modicum of decorum for yourself and don't carry on with it at other places ;) fair enough?

[Bearcat]

Put right.. really!! REALLY!! :)

As for a modicum of decorum.. I am responding to posts directed at me.... I guess just being here makes me a target and I am not supposed to say anything right... and you guys keep bringing up the other forum.. I mentioned it in a thread on another forum here.. what.. a week or two ago? .. and you guys just keep at it? I'll tell you what.. I just want to post about whatever I want to post about within the rules of the forum without folks coming out of the woodwork trying to whip me into shape and put me right.. How about that? What you think that because I now work another board I am no longer supposed to post here? I have been here since 2007.. and now because my presence offends you I'm supposed to just fade away right..

Sorry..

http://file.walagata.com/w/bearcat/Homey-the-Clown.png

I'll tell you what .. you leave me alone and I'll leave you alone.. please.. We wouldn't be having this conversation if you were not trying to bait me..

You are the mercenary from another forum, earning your pay ( free maps , planes or ammo maybe ), here, and just stop that !
http://file.walagata.com/w/bearcat/sisko_facepalm.gif
Where do you people come from??!!!

[vranac]

Put right.. really!! REALLY!! :)

As for a modicum of decorum.. I am responding to posts directed at me.... I guess just being here makes me a target and I am not supposed to say anything right... and you guys keep bringing up the other forum.. I mentioned it in a thread on another forum here.. what.. a week or two ago? .. and you guys just keep at it? I'll tell you what.. I just want to post about whatever I want to post about within the rules of the forum without folks coming out of the woodwork trying to whip me into shape and put me right.. How about that? What you think that because I now work another board I am no longer supposed to post here? I have been here since 2007.. and now because my presence offends you I'm supposed to just fade away right..

Sorry..



http://file.walagata.com/w/bearcat/Homey-the-Clown.png

I'll tell you what .. you leave me alone and I'll leave you alone.. please.. We wouldn't be having this conversation if you were not trying to bait me..


http://file.walagata.com/w/bearcat/sisko_facepalm.gif
Where do you people come from??!!!

Just fade away on your happy campers forums )
gl )

By the way , it seems that you are very young , at least that could be seen
from your writing style and arguments

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/10/108823/2388572-triple_super.jpg

Sneak under your 777 rock and disappear please :grin:

[Bearcat]

Just fade away on your happy campers forums )gl )

By the way , it seems that you are very young , at least that could be seen
from your writing style and arguments

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/10/108823/2388572-triple_super.jpg

Sneak under your 777 rock and disappear please :grin:

No I am not very young at all.. and no I won't go away.. sneaking or otherwise. Get over it bub. Look at your posts.. and you tell me I seem very young based on my writing style and arguments? My oldest child is 36... I have 8 grand children.. I have been married to the same woman for 23 years and another for 8 years before that so you think I am going to be moved by you? :) :D.. Not only that.. I am on vacation so for now I have nothing but time and a fridge full of beer in the mancave and a football game going on to boot .. there is nothing you can tell me or say to me that will shake me or make me back down kid.. so get a grip and move on. I could care less if you like me.. but I am not going to take guff from you or anyone until it gets to the point where I have said what I had to say and you are just flossing with shoelaces..

[MadBlaster]

there is nothing you can tell me or say to me that will shake me or make me back down kid.. so get a grip and move on.

fyi, the new sim...won't have a bearcat.:-P

[tk471138]

No I am not very young at all.. and no I wont go away.. sneaking or otherwise. Get over it bub. Look at your posts.. and you tell me I/b] seem very young based on [b]my writing style and arguments? My oldest child is 35... I have 8 grand children.. I have been married to the same woman for 23 years... there is nothing you can tell me or say to me that will shake me or make me back down kid.. so get a grip and move on.

you crazy!

[Bearcat]

That's what she says!! .. and I had to edit the oldest's ages cause I forgot a year..

fyi, the new sim...won't have a bearcat.:-P


No worries.. neither did the old one till it got cracked.. besides.. I like Ponies.. ;)

[Wolf_Rider]

and there goes any last semblance of decorum you had left... threatening to knock peoples' teeth out (what else could you have meant by 'flossing with shoe laces"?






What you think that because I now work another board I am no longer supposed to post here?



According to you, you don't "draw a paycheck"... so how could you "work" there??




I'll tell you what .. you leave me alone and I'll leave you alone.. please.. We wouldn't be having this conversation if you were not trying to bait me..




oh, here we go... 'the victim', another of the usual reactions... another is straight out attack. Then again, could you just be trying to get this thread shut down? its an old antic, that one ;)

quite simply, sport, if you won't tolerate there don't do it here.

[Bearcat]

According to you, you don't "draw a paycheck"... so how could you "work" there??

and there goes any last semblance of decorum you had left...
oh, here we go... 'the victim', another of the usual reactions... another is straight out attack. Then again, could you just be trying to get this thread shut down? its an old antic, that one ;)

quite simply, sport, if you won't tolerate there don't do it here.

Don't you have someone else to harass?

Victim? I'm no victim.. but Ray Charles can see what is going on in this thread with you.. and not only is he blind.. he's dead..

[MadBlaster]

That's what she says!! .. and I had to edit the oldest's ages cause I forgot a year..




No worries.. neither did the old one till it got cracked.. besides.. I like Ponies.. ;)

lol. sure.;) you are steady as a rock.:!:

[Wolf_Rider]

Don't you have someone else to harass?

Victim? I'm no victim.. but Ray Charles can see what is going on in this thread with you.. and not only is he blind.. he's dead..



'sup sport?...feeling a bit awkward because you're having your embellishments and your hypocrisies pointed out? ... oh, did I mention 'hypocrisies'?

[Bearcat]

Do YOU even know what you are talking about because I sure don't..

[Wolf_Rider]

I'm sure you could feign denial in almost any situation you would wish to ;)

[MB_Avro_UK]

@ Bearcat:

You're probably quite an intelligent guy. But you need to realise that there are a number of people who you offend with your style of 'Moderating'. I've had messages of support regarding my initial comment about you.

You take it all far too seriously. You don't actually have military Command status as a moderator, but act as though you do.

If I was a moderator (not a job I'd relish;)), I'd talk softly and carry a big stick!. That's an African proverb!


Best Regards,
MB_Avro

[CWMV]

Jesus tap-dancing christ.
http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSy_WJRU3SQHhDjgw8rGmvbRPrOl7RQw eAMET_wwyXjrYkPJ-d5ieQtGddGYw

Bearcat, do whatever the frak you need to to keep BoS forums from becoming this place. Please.

[milkshake]

Do YOU even know what you are talking about because I sure don't..

You're a RoFite now, Bearcat. If you are wondering why this might be an issue, the situation is something along these lines -

let's say 777 has a milkshake, and 1c has a milkshake, and 777 has a straw, that reaches alllllll the way across the room...
http://www.abload.de/img/strawiyp5y.gif


and they drink 1c's milkshake. Slllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll lllllllurp. They drink it up!

http://www.abload.de/img/idrinkitup4dqnt.gif

They lost. They are losers who lost. They got paddled, and their butts are butthurt like you would not believe. It is impossible to imagine a more complete capitulation unless 777 had literally dropped by personally to announce that they've shacked up with these guys moms as their new stepdad. For all the brave talk, all the forum drama, all the pitched internet battles, it has ended thus - the whole team they had had faith in now works with the enemy, or has left the scene entirely.

Now, it doesn't have to be this way. At the management and staff level - Jason, Loft and the rest are beyond gracious, and refuse to hear a harsh word spoken about Luthier or the 1c team, and get along as professionals just fine. As it should be. But for the vanguard of CloD fans - this is just too much, too soon. They're the last japanese soldiers dug in on the island, mentally unable to process the thought of surrender to the enemy. Think of you dropping by this forum as you helicoptering in with the emperor's surrender on loudspeaker. They just can't hear it. They can't allow themselves to hear it. It has all been... for nothing? This whole time?

What's worse - you, a RoFite, are now the moderator of the new Il-2 boards!

http://www.abload.de/img/nastyc3p6k.gif

No... no... no! Devilman ... 666 .... no ... steamy jungle of love.

I tell you, you mix their sweet, hilariously overblown anxiety over a simple piece of games software, combined with a salty, subtle undertone of racism, and you have a delicious recipe for internet drama. I hope you beat them hard over on the new Il-2 forum, Bearcat. They may frolic over here as much as they like, in the dream world of bananaland. But let's leave the real Il-2 forums for people who can deal with the reality of the situation, yeah?

[furbs]

Lol :)

[SlipBall]

Tree, is that you?

[furbs]

No, its not Tree.
I would of known about it.

[SlipBall]

then are you tree:confused::-P

[furbs]

Flippin heck!
Now im confused.

Just who the hell am i?

[Screamadelica]

Gabba Gabba Hey! You are one of us.....;)

[Rowddy]

lol the only thing that killed Clod is/was..... the bitching, the moaning, the trolls and the complaints. end of story (literally).

i hope there is s lesson to be learned here.

[carguy_]

i bought the game even before it launched
i went with the after release development all along
i kept positive attitude in here, helped ppl with issues whenever i could
i kept playing in ATAG in spite the issues

i didn't fail.

neither did WE as a supporting community.

no pal. 1C FAILED US. they finally faced the truth that their product is beyond repair, doesn't even provide for a decent platform for future releases. which is a shame really, realising the many things it does right.

p.s. - cargy and david haywort, don't commit suicide just yet!!! 1C might be back with 777 and make it work, who knows!!
Bearcat, please keep an eye on this guy at the new forums

No one needs the tripe he writes just to piss people off (trolling). Jason Williams knows that fights started by such people really downgraded these forums and I hope this can be evaded with the new game.

[carguy_]

I don't think that we will ever again see anything as good as Clod was...I'm doing a complete youtube exposé on the release vershion :evil:

Maybe, maybe not. It is said that a modified RoF engine could do wonders, but no one ever says that every engine has its limits. If some things aren`t coded from the very start, there might not be possible to implement later. And so, BoS can have limitations that will not get overcome, even if it is years behind CloD in some aspects.

Just don`t mention that over at the BoS forums.

[carguy_]

If all of that balls is true Bongo then...

why are there 10x more people still playing IL2?

why did Luthier say himself they couldn't fix it?

Why has it been cancelled?

I mean, Luthier must of shown the years work on the sequel to the people who pay his wages, if that work was great and the fixes he said were coming were done, why did they fire him?

Was there a agenda from every country where COD was released, Germany, Russia, France, the US?
Such questions you have been asking since day one of your reviewing of CloD here. You still seem to think the answers are simple and easy. Well, they`re not. Two can play this game and so I ask you this :

Why has Jason Williams assigned Bearcat to such an aggressive reaction over at the new IL2 forums?

[SlipBall]

Maybe, maybe not. It is said that a modified RoF engine could do wonders, but no one ever says that every engine has its limits. If some things aren`t coded from the very start, there might not be possible to implement later. And so, BoS can have limitations that will not get overcome, even if it is years behind CloD in some aspects.

Just don`t mention that over at the BoS forums.


You refer to the 'butcher' of BOS:confused::-P

[carguy_]

A Lot of RoF folks did their best to discredit Clod and still do. Sadly they a lot of they ae the people with **** computers, which sadly we have here as well. The devs had to downgrade this sim to work on **** pc,s instead of fixing it to work on new high end pc,s. It does not hold well for the future of flight sims if we keep lowering the developement of hardware/software to suit the few crap
pc owners who play these games
Very true. On multiple occasions people posted here their aggressive whining about the game working badly. When asked to list their pc specs it comes out they do not understand why such a sim will not work well on a Core2Duo - Gf8800 combo.

[carguy_]

'sup sport?...feeling a bit awkward because you're having your embellishments and your hypocrisies pointed out? ... oh, did I mention 'hypocrisies'?
Judging by your posts, I wager you`re not interested in sharing your opinions on the 1CGS forums?

[Jatta Raso]

Bearcat, please keep an eye on this guy at the new forums

No one needs the tripe he writes just to piss people off (trolling). Jason Williams knows that fights started by such people really downgraded these forums and I hope this can be evaded with the new game.

yeah keep an eye out for me.

better even, keep an eye on my posting history and this guy's. honestly, both speak for themselves

one is filled with insults, the other is not;
one acknowledges right to differ, the other does not;
one is filled with personal attacks because the poster acts as if his opinion is the only one that counts, the other is not.

and since it's all in for the record, THERE'S NO BARRAGE OF REPLIES AND QUOTES THAT CAN CHANGE THAT.

TBH i do admit i have wrote things just to piss this one guy off. he has earned it and it's some fun, if unhealthy, to watch this minion boil in rage, as always...

[Fjordmonkey]

lol the only thing that killed Clod is/was..... the bitching, the moaning, the trolls and the complaints. end of story (literally).

i hope there is s lesson to be learned here.

The lesson: Forum-moderation should ALWAYS be ruthless. If you cannot behave, you won't stay around.

[Wolf_Rider]

@ Carguy...

1CGS ?



The lesson: Forum-moderation should ALWAYS be ruthless. If you cannot behave, you won't stay around.

Nooo... forum moderation should be fair, even keeled, and without bias.

Game forums with no complaints (complaints deleted) looks like the game has no faults (I've yet to see one which hasn't). Then the surprise comes to the customer, when the faults become apparent.

Fanbois make terrible moderators

[arthursmedley]

@ Carguy...

1CGS ?

http://forum.il2sturmovik.net/topic/9-team-statement/

[Wolf_Rider]

Thanks for the link... no, not really, you see I've pre-banned myself ;)

though it is good to use as a reference for to put embellishers right ;) ;)

[furbs]

Such questions you have been asking since day one of your reviewing of CloD here. You still seem to think the answers are simple and easy. Well, they`re not. Two can play this game and so I ask you this :

Why has Jason Williams assigned Bearcat to such an aggressive reaction over at the new IL2 forums?

I dont think the moderation is aggressive at all.
Normal moderation is all i see.

[Jatta Raso]

lol the only thing that killed Clod is/was..... the bitching, the moaning, the trolls and the complaints. end of story (literally).

i hope there is s lesson to be learned here.
The lesson: Forum-moderation should ALWAYS be ruthless. If you cannot behave, you won't stay around.

The lesson: Forum-moderation should ALWAYS be ruthless. If you cannot behave, you won't stay around.

well guys... not to by a war, besides it's totally pointless at this point. but what killed CLoD was an unacceptable release state by even the lowest standards (on-line didn't work, off-line didn't work, UI didn't work, took months just to get sound on-line, game freezes till today, constant hang-ups, graphical glitches that disrupted gameplay, off-line features like commands and AI didn't work).

guess what, all those problems alienated both on-line and off-line players. worst even, gave it bad reviews, and that coupled with the steep HW requirements, gave CLoD the worst reputation in the market. to add injury to insult, the devs never gave the impression of being able to fix it.

so, as happens in RL, the faulty product killed itself. had it been a good release and all the bitching in the world wouldn't even dent it (there's plenty trash talk about halo you know...)

you guys just like to put this forums you hang around in the centre of your world and end up taking it for the world itself; stop looking at your belly buttons, UBI or 1C or whatever don't give a damn about what goes in here, devs lost funding because CLoD didn't sold well, technically it was a fiasco as big as they come, no matter how wonderful was its potential or the things it did right.

no one buys a car no matter how pretty it looks or how fabulous is its steering or brakes, if it always blows the engine 5 miles down the road.

but all in all it's a shame. i'm still hoping for a come back, but not dwelling on it any more.

[furbs]

Spot on.

People will always look to blame someone, and here its the people who spoke up about the failings of the sim.

[carguy_]

guess what, all those problems alienated both on-line and off-line players. worst even, gave it bad reviews, and that coupled with the steep HW requirements, gave CLoD the worst reputation in the market. to add injury to insult, the devs never gave the impression of being able to fix it.
Not true. The code was bad at the start, but gradually got repaired with every release, be it beta or final patch version. The last patch straghtened the game well, next ones would do the same.

But here, the vocal minority of whiners persisted with the "unplayable" drivel. Well they got their wish.



so, as happens in RL, the faulty product killed itself. had it been a good release and all the bitching in the world wouldn't even dent it (there's plenty trash talk about halo you know...)

You compare CloD to a mainstream xbox360 FPS game, excellent. If you see nothing wrong with that then you`re done for.
Not really a surprise since you have been doing that from the start of your visits here, none of which had any trace of constructivity.

[carguy_]

I dont think the moderation is aggressive at all.
Normal moderation is all i see.
Evading normal discussion again. I expected nothing more from you and I rest my case.

[furbs]

Evading normal discussion again. I expected nothing more from you and I rest my case.


2 bans and a warning is aggressive?

[bongodriver]

no one buys a car no matter how pretty it looks or how fabulous is its steering or brakes, if it always blows the engine 5 miles down the road.



You are kidding right? practically everything bought is purely because of a label, you can practically sell anything if you put a small 'i' before it's name, and now apparently you can also just put 777 on it too.

So no you are wrong, the community killed COD, flight sims live on very fragile ground and can't soak up criticism the same way iPhones can, I'm not saying the release of COD was perfect, I'm just saying we as a community should have realised we either support it through it's troubled birth or simply lose it, simply put COD would not have been cancelled if there was a better reception and more enthusiasm from us, the bit that baffles me the most was the vile hatred channeled straight toward Luthier as if he had personally insulted them thanks to us the most promising flight sim title was binned and a man lost his job.

[bongodriver]

I dont think the moderation is aggressive at all.
Normal moderation is all i see.

Riiiiiiight....

[furbs]

You are kidding right? practically everything bought is purely because of a label, you can practically sell anything if you put a small 'i' before it's name, and now apparently you can also just put 777 on it too.

So no you are wrong, the community killed COD, flight sims live on very fragile ground and can't soak up criticism the same way iPhones can, I'm not saying the release of COD was perfect, I'm just saying we as a community should have realised we either support it through it's troubled birth or simply lose it, simply put COD would not have been cancelled if there was a better reception and more enthusiasm from us, the bit that baffles me the most was the vile hatred channeled straight toward Luthier as if he had personally insulted them thanks to us the most promising flight sim title was binned and a man lost his job.

Ok, i admit it...i killed COD.

Sorry bout that.

What now?

[carguy_]

2 bans and a warning is aggressive?
I am trying really hard to go with your way of thinking. I am giving you the benefit of the doubt every time but you keep on posting such questions.
You did not see the locked threads? Whole debates down the drain with one moderator push of a button? You did not see individual posts being edited by mods? You did not see Bearcat warning anyone wanting to give a CloD example?You do not see the general guidelines that say : "do not talk about CloD or you will get banned"?

We are not allowed to talk about CloD but allowed to post anything about RoF. Is this a good way to merge the two communities?

[bongodriver]

Ok, i admit it...i killed COD.

Sorry bout that.

What now?

Yep....sums it up perfectly.

[carguy_]

Ok, i admit it...i killed COD.

Sorry bout that.

What now?
That`s it. Your posting history on the banana forums. I recommend making it a new forum signature so people know what to expect from you.

Unless ofcourse you are ashamed of it.

[SlipBall]

I wasn't expecting furbs to be the answer to my sig's secret cryptic question:-P

[furbs]

I am trying really hard to go with your way of thinking. I am giving you the benefit of the doubt every time but you keep on posting such questions.
You did not see the locked threads? Whole debates down the drain with one moderator push of a button? You did not see individual posts being edited by mods? You did not see Bearcat warning anyone wanting to give a CloD example?You do not see the general guidelines that say : "do not talk about CloD or you will get banned"?

We are not allowed to talk about CloD but allowed to post anything about RoF. Is this a good way to merge the two communities?


Carguy, what i saw was some of the COD diehards grieving over the demise of COD and trying to slag off a sim that we haven't even seen a screenshot from yet...or blame 777, 1C or some guys on this forum for killing their baby.

[Jatta Raso]

The lesson: Forum-moderation should ALWAYS be ruthless. If you cannot behave, you won't stay around.

Ok, i admit it...i killed COD.

Sorry bout that.

What now?

that's not true! i killed CLoD!

...

i bought, played (or tried), spoke well of, and helped others to get into CLoD
but even so i helped to kill CLoD. i don't know what else i should be doing, spoon feed the devs??? i fail to see where i failed.

so now i killed CLoD. hang me.

[arthursmedley]

Ok, i admit it...i killed COD.

Sorry bout that.

What now?

Lol. Tea and biscuits?

[furbs]

That`s it. Your posting history on the banana forums. I recommend making it a new forum signature so people know what to expect from you.

Unless ofcourse you are ashamed of it.


Good idea! :grin:

[bongodriver]

that's not true! i killed CLoD!

...

i bought, played (or tried), spoke well of, and helped others to get into CLoD
but even so i helped to kill CLoD. i don't know what else i should be doing, spoon feed the devs??? i fail to see where i failed.

so now i killed CLoD. hang me.


Why not, Jason Williams gets free rectal examinations........it's hardly surprising 1C want to buy in to some of that action.

[carguy_]

Carguy, what i saw was some of the COD diehards grieving over the demise of COD and trying to slag off a sim that we haven't even seen a screenshot from yet...or blame 777, 1C or some guys on this forum for killing their baby.
That is, again, only partly true. There was a lot of grief over that. There still is some grief. But the vast majority now has feelings for the new sim.

For the second time you refused to answer my question.

Other than that yes, I think that if I keep mentioning well done features of CloD that should be implemented in the new creation , I might just get banned over there.

And about the sig - I meant the new forum.

[Fjordmonkey]

Other than that yes, I think that if I keep mentioning well done features of CloD that should be implemented in the new creation , I might just get banned over there.

How can they do that, when they're not re-using the engine?

Be that as it may, it's a moot point all in all. People seriously need to accept that, and move on.

Then again, this thread is more hilarious than a gaggle of clown caught in a meatgrinder. /popcorn

[Jatta Raso]

Not true. The code was bad at the start, but gradually got repaired with every release, be it beta or final patch version. The last patch straghtened the game well, next ones would do the same.

But here, the vocal minority of whiners persisted with the "unplayable" drivel. Well they got their wish.



You compare CloD to a mainstream xbox360 FPS game, excellent. If you see nothing wrong with that then you`re done for.
Not really a surprise since you have been doing that from the start of your visits here, none of which had any trace of constructivity.

once the first damage is done, it seldom can be repaired, that's pretty much common sense. it's even more important to have a decent presentation card in a difficult business, such as flight sims. if it goes wrong at the start and you can't repair it straight away, it's pretty much a death sentence, no matter if it turns out better latter on, because it has lost its potential client base, who cannot be regained since they've grown a disbelief about the product, it's called 'business'; it doesn't get any clearer.

i don't see any conspiracy to sink CLoD, honestly why would that be?? it was servile minions that felt like they had to attack all with a criticism, that helped turn this place into a cyber fight club. lack of attention in RL i guess... you guys ended up doing more harm than good.

about the latter remark, again i leave it to posting history of both...

[Jatta Raso]

Why not, Jason Williams gets free rectal examinations........it's hardly surprising 1C want to buy in to some of that action.

WTF are you talking about??? don't mess with me... i eat little CLoD at breakfast!!!...

[Bearcat]

Why not, Jason Williams gets free rectal examinations........it's hardly surprising 1C want to buy in to some of that action.

That is just so pitiful...

I am trying really hard to go with your way of thinking. I am giving you the benefit of the doubt every time but you keep on posting such questions.
You did not see the locked threads? Whole debates down the drain with one moderator push of a button? You did not see individual posts being edited by mods? You did not see Bearcat warning anyone wanting to give a CloD example? You do not see the general guidelines that say : "do not talk about CloD or you will get banned"

We are not allowed to talk about CloD but allowed to post anything about RoF. Is this a good way to merge the two communities?


http://file.walagata.com/w/bearcat/O_rlly.gif
Other 1C Games.. (http://forum.il2sturmovik.net/forum/20-other-1c-game-studios-games/)

At the time you were referring to there was no 1C room on the boards and every single discussion.. just the mere mention of CoD or any of it's faults were met by the Gestapo and very quickly descended into name calling and all kinds of finger pointing.. and over there that is not happening. FWIW there was never a ban on discussing CoD.. just a ban on discussing CoD the way it is done here.. http://file.walagata.com/w/bearcat/duel.gifhttp://file.walagata.com/w/bearcat/right.gifhttp://file.walagata.com/w/bearcat/scuse_me.gif

[Wolf_Rider]

We are not allowed to talk about CloD but allowed to post anything about RoF. Is this a good way to merge the two communities?



In fact, it is seriously quite the wrong way to go about a merging

and as you can see, any talk of Rof here only brings the defending bootsquad of fanbois... notice how they only arc up in Rof related threads?

[furbs]

Why not, Jason Williams gets free rectal examinations........it's hardly surprising 1C want to buy in to some of that action.

That's what i was referring to Carguy.

[bongodriver]

That is just so pitiful...

It always feels that way when hit by an uncomfortable truth...

[carguy_]

once the first damage is done, it seldom can be repaired, that's pretty much common sense. it's even more important to have a decent presentation card in a difficult business, such as flight sims. if it goes wrong at the start and you can't repair it straight away, it's pretty much a death sentence, no matter if it turns out better latter on, because it has lost its potential client base, who cannot be regained since they've grown a disbelief about the product,
Irrelevant, since they proved that CloD can be repaired. Unless that is just your estimation (based on nothing, ofcourse), then you show nothing new.



it's called 'business'; it doesn't get any clearer.
You do yourself not a small favor by calling whining "business". I`m pretty sure by that you say, that you have small or no contact at all with business.


i don't see any conspiracy to sink CLoD, honestly why would that be?? it was servile minions that felt like they had to attack all with a criticism, that helped turn this place into a cyber fight club. lack of attention in RL i guess... you guys ended up doing more harm than good.
I said nothing of any conspiracy. It was stupidity. There was criticism, but not from the likes of you. Every constructive complaint was allowed to be expressed. It is just that you could never make yourself to conjure any such criticism. All you have ever been able to to was spill profanities at the game, its creators and manager of this forum.

To this day you do not know what criticism is.

[bongodriver]

That's what i am largely guilty of Carguy.

Fixed this for you.

[carguy_]

That is just so pitiful...

Are we done here? Because you just showed a reaction which is defense mechanism. Is posting O RLY gifs the best thing you can do?



At the time you were referring to there was no 1C room on the boards and every single discussion.. just the mere mention of CoD or any of it's faults were met by the Gestapo and very quickly descended into name calling and all kinds of finger pointing.. and over there that is not happening.Are you serious? A whole different forum for 1C titles? Isn`t that cute? Would you please point me to the "Other 777 Studios Games" forum, where we can discuss RoF? Because AFAIK BoS isnt`t RoF and it isn`t CloD. But people are allowed to post pretty much anything on the game called RoF. Which is it, sir?


FWIW there was never a ban on discussing CoD.. just a ban on discussing CoD the way it is done here.. http://file.walagata.com/w/bearcat/duel.gifhttp://file.walagata.com/w/bearcat/right.gifhttp://file.walagata.com/w/bearcat/scuse_me.gifGreat then. If you`re up to the job, you`ll be warning/banning people who get into fights regardless about which game they`re posting, not just people writing about CloD. You can go ahead and keep shooting squirrels with a handcannon, but for the forum nothing good will ever good come out from it.

[furbs]

COD was not repaired, it was chopped up until it ran ok.

Single player was still a joke.
AI was not fixed.
AI commands were not fixed.
SLI was not fixed.
Vanishing dots were not fixed.
Hight Alt problems were not fixed.
FSAA was not fixed.
Dots, lights and horizon showing through the cockpit was not fixed.
Trees were not fixed.
Smoke, particle FPS slow down was not fixed.
LOD's were not fixed.
weathering online was not fixed.
Hit decals were not fixed.
COOP's were not fixed.
Sound radar was not fixed.
Low level stutter not fixed.
Texture loading not fixed
Prop glare not fixed.

yer apart from that...

[bongodriver]

COD was not repaired, it was chopped up until it ran ok.

Single player was still a joke.
AI was not fixed.
AI commands were not fixed.
SLI was not fixed.
Vanishing dots were not fixed.
Hight Alt problems were not fixed.
FSAA was not fixed.
Dots, lights and horizon showing through the cockpit was not fixed.
Trees were not fixed.
Smoke, particle FPS slow down was not fixed.
LOD's were not fixed.
weathering online was not fixed.
Hit decals were not fixed.
COOP's were not fixed.
Sound radar was not fixed.
Low level stutter not fixed.
Texture loading not fixed
Prop glare not fixed.

yer apart from that...

Wow a list of stuff that needed fixing....never seen that in a computer game before, now come up with a list of stuff that you have actual hard proof could not be fixed given the time and I might take you seriously.

[addman]

The lesson: Forum-moderation should ALWAYS be ruthless. If you cannot behave, you won't stay around.

Hear! hear! Swift and ruthless, NOT selective.

P.S I'm also a CloD killer, I bought the standard DVD edition and the collector's edition plus I told a friend to buy it at his own risk which he did but then I made critiques about the game and it died, right there in front of me.:rolleyes:

[furbs]

I cant...you cant you say they would of done either.

[Jatta Raso]

bla bla bla bla you're wrong i'm right bla bla bla bla i debunk you're every single phrase bla bla bla bla then again i pick the arguments that suit me and forget the ones that don't bla bla bla bla i own truth you know nothing bla bla bla bla i master reason bla bla bla bla
well... one can't argue with ppl who know so much. seriously cardude, you rock; your attitude of answering every single remark and being always right is, in turn, remarkable, and shows all about your (?) reasoning. ppl may write books about you in the future. well done. as for me, back to the ignorance corner where i come from. :rolleyes:

guys i'm having a better time with Supreme Commander FA right now, but i shall return :cool:

[Bearcat]

Are we done here? Because you just showed a reaction which is defense mechanism. Is posting O RLY gifs the best thing you can do?

Well for here what more do I need.. I mean really? Facts never swayed a large segment of the population here anyway.. I mean.. you don't even think that a post on a flightsim forum about a developer getting free rectal exams is.. unusual... so...?


Are you serious? A whole different forum for 1C titles? Isn`t that cute? Would you please point me to the "Other 777 Studios Games" forum, where we can discuss RoF? Because AFAIK BoS isnt`t RoF and it isn`t CloD. But people are allowed to post pretty much anything on the game called RoF. Which is it, sir?

I did.. ... or do you not know what an internet link does?

Well OK.. I understand.. I realize you have been posting here so long that common sense has eluded you so let me help you out Carguy....
http://file.walagata.com/w/bearcat/justforcarguyDUUHHH.jpg
Other 1C Game Studios Games (http://forum.il2sturmovik.net/forum/20-other-1c-game-studios-games/)

Great then. If you`re up to the job, you`ll be warning/banning people who get into fights regardless about which game they`re posting, not just people writing about CloD. You can go ahead and keep shooting squirrels with a handcannon, but for the forum nothing good will ever good come out from it.

Well my friend I will just have to take that chance won't I.. You see... I approach this whole situation from a different perspective... I know the hand of a higher power is at work here..
http://file.walagata.com/w/bearcat/jerks.jpg

[bongodriver]

I cant...you cant you say they would of done either.

I think you are saying I can't say they would have done, but in all probability given the time they would have, we would have been looking forward to a release of BoM before 2014 which would have brought these fixes with it's planned mergeability, we would also have had an SDK to look forward to which would have accelerated the process of briniging new theatres and aircraft into play....

[carguy_]

No, you did not understand, Bearcat.

When you will, I suggest you start enforcing the rules which ATM you do not understand yourself.

For example, FlatSpinman is doing a better job.