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Mysticpuma

12-08-2012, 04:58 PM

First of all thank you for warm wellcome ))) I hope very soon you will get the ultimate answer to your question on my dumbness level.

The problem is Cartoon that many times we have heard from 'unofficial' (read that as unconfirmed) sources, who drop by, tell us that everything is going to be fine, news is coming soon, and then nothing is heard 'soon'.

Deda said news was coming 'soon' and detailed the now legendary 1c time scale "two weeks" and that was five-weeks ago!

So it's no surprise that people get fed up hearing " I know something you don't know but I can't tell you!"

I do hope that there is a future for CloD with an update that fixes the issues that have persisted since day 1 and yet have been ignored in the unread bugtracker.

Sadly though, until some true official news, I have to consider all positive reports from people "In the know" as speculation as is negative speculation too.

Currently it's all just 'White noise'.

MP

Chivas

12-08-2012, 06:02 PM

First of all thank you for warm wellcome ))) I hope very soon you will get the ultimate answer to your question on my dumbness level.

Thanks CARTOON, I appreciate any info, especially from the Russian forums, who are little closer to the situation. I would imagine any info good or bad would get leaked there first. Just hearing the development is still alive is good news. If the development had been shut down, there would have been more than a few leaks from disgruntled team members. That said there could have been some changes, someone like Luthier for instance could have been a scapegoat, warranted or not.

SlipBall

12-08-2012, 07:47 PM

First of all thank you for warm wellcome ))) I hope very soon you will get the ultimate answer to your question on my dumbness level.

If I were to guess, I would think that we may have official announcement on Fri. the 21 st. of December...under 2 weeks! hoping:-P

JG26_EZ

12-08-2012, 08:15 PM

If I were to guess, I would think that we may have official announcement on Fri. the 21 st. of December...under 2 weeks! hoping:-P

OMG!! you didn't just pin-point a date that was under two weeks!!?! This is one of the ways that a Black Hole is created, you know that don't you? :mrgreen:

SlipBall

12-08-2012, 08:36 PM

Oh geeze what have I done, and you have already been sucked in! :grin:

planespotter

12-08-2012, 09:36 PM

Another one line doomsayer. If you don't like his translation go to sukhoi forum and do it yourself. Then when you have some evidence that he's a troll come back and present your case

You want me to prove the world is round too? If he is not troll he will post some real fact not 'in two weeks' style rubbish.

The problem is Cartoon that many times we have heard from 'unofficial' (read that as unconfirmed) sources, who drop by, tell us that everything is going to be fine, news is coming soon, and then nothing is heard 'soon'...

Sadly though, until some true official news, I have to consider all positive reports from people "In the know" as speculation as is negative speculation too.

Currently it's all just 'White noise'.

MP

+1

klem

12-08-2012, 10:09 PM

Sorry I call BS on this. Random guys with English worse than mine turns up, we are supposed to believe it? Proof that you are not just a dumb troll.

You want me to prove the world is round too? If he is not troll he will post some real fact not 'in two weeks' style rubbish.
..............

No, I already know the world is round.

Cartoon simply tries to pass on some information from the sukhoi forum in the best English he can manage.

All you can do is make snide comments about his English (how's your Russian?) and call him a Troll for having the consideration to pass on what he has heard. Oh, and "with English worse than mine", you demand he "Proof that you are not just a dumb troll". You see, that should be "Prove that you are.....". English.

Do you have anything to support your BS call?

Chivas

12-08-2012, 11:26 PM

No, I already know the world is round.

Cartoon simply tries to pass on some information from the sukhoi forum in the best English he can manage.

All you can do is make snide comments about his English (how's your Russian?) and call him a Troll for having the consideration to pass on what he has heard. Oh, and "with English worse than mine", you demand he "Proof that you are not just a dumb troll". You see, that should be "Prove that you are.....". English.

Do you have anything to support your BS call?

Its almost like only negative speculation could be considered believable, anything else is Trolling.

zapatista

12-09-2012, 02:14 AM

Hi all. I am new to this forum but not to the flight sim's ))). Think it will be nice for you to get some first hand news from the russian sukhoi forum where i and Podvoxx ( 'podvokhh') belong.

As for today folks there are positive that some good news are coming up. We got some info that we should expect Eastern front theatre as a sequel to IL2 series and some work is already being done.At the moment we have only good guess who are those guys but waiting for an official anouncement very soon. Will keep you updated on the matter.

hiya Cartoon,

welcome to the english 1C forums, and thanks for passing on some of the information from the russian forums

any insight or comments given on the russian forums by "people in the know" are very gratefully received here when you can pass them on. just ignore some of the rude or paranoid people here, they either cant understand more complex matters, are troll or whiners, or were raised without manners.

planespotter

12-09-2012, 08:13 AM

Do you have anything to support your BS call?

Yes. Wait a minute while I go and register new identity and then I will come and post it. Apparently the most trusted source has post count of 1.

And I take back troll, dumb and English words. That was not nice of me and I regret it.

nearmiss

12-09-2012, 01:58 PM

Starving animals always smell food when there is none...

ATAG_Colander

12-09-2012, 02:18 PM

All I'll say is "don't shoot the messenger" whatever the message is.
We have, however, to read between the lines.

For example....

This is pure speculation from my part but it sounds like the "sequel" will be made using the ROF engine to me!

- No new engine
- Only air war
- Content sales

Colleagues, I do not know what else to suggest thinner? The man who gets the head of the project, knows that we want all these long years. He made it clear this is not just empty words: no long-term construction, the invention of new engines for the simulator or patching up the old, no stupid cows and tens of micro cards. No fancy today IMO, though not excluded content sales ... virtual pilot needs simulator and honest war in the air and not another attempt to pile all the genres in the world.

http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/showthread.php?t=68949&page=472&p=1936502&viewfull=1#post1936502

Trumper

12-09-2012, 02:39 PM

About time they employed an English speaking person to stop all this crap translation /rumours/misunderstanding

klem

12-09-2012, 03:17 PM

Starving animals always smell food when there is none...

... sniff sniff... real Merlins? No... its.... its more like a Wasp. No... wait... is that a Shvetzov?

LoBiSoMeM

12-09-2012, 03:43 PM

:(About time they employed an English speaking person to stop all this crap translation /rumours/misunderstanding

+1000.

1C is a joke.

zapatista

12-09-2012, 04:31 PM

Gradually we make DEDA tell us new information :)

http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/showthread.php?t=68949&p=1936502&viewfull=1#post1936502

Originally Posted by DEDA
Colleagues, I do not know what else to suggest thinner? The man who gets the head of the project, knows that we want all these long years. He made it clear this is not just empty words: no long-term construction, the invention of new engines for the simulator or patching up the old, no stupid cows and tens of micro cards. No fancy today IMO, though not excluded content sales ... virtual pilot needs simulator and honest war in the air and not another attempt to pile all the genres in the world.

podvox,

thanks for passing on the information,........but........ i see many problems with what is said (or implied) there by DEDA
- The man who gets the head of the project, knows that we want all these long years. He made it clear this is not just empty words:: so far so good, sounds like they found an experienced manager to run the project
- no long-term construction, the invention of new engines for the simulator or patching up the old, : the only way to get BoM out the door soon is to use the CoD engine, which is fine, t runs well now, but what about the "patching up the old" ? we obviously still need significant further fixes for the new CoD engine, why speak of no fixes or patches ?
- no stupid cows and tens of micro cards (meaning small maps probably ?). No fancy today MMO (good news, diverting to an MMO project after barely fixing CoD would be a disaster imho, we now need BoM as the next installment and have it run well at release time before any other projects are considered, would be very bad management indeed to now try and change horses mid stream
- virtual pilot needs simulator and honest war in the air and not another attempt to pile all the genres in the world. this is the biggest problem i see with DEDA's perspective, sounds like they want to dumb down the grand vision oleg had (which was created after years of feedback from the community), to now chuck out all the grand elements we wanted (rearm and refuel, dynamic campaign, detailed campaign engine that can run 24/7, dynamic weather, detailed AI routines for ground traffic of civilian roads and rail (as well as military movements), some limited control of ground vehicles and ships (no not a full extra sim, but they built the features so let us ave them please), detailed ground grafix with "moving grass" etc...

most of those advanced elements are already built into the sim, and took years to create. to chuck all of that out because some new pen pusher is taking over the project would be a tremendous waste imho, you'd end up with a bland empty world like RoF, which doesnt touch on the depth of what sims like falcon4 and mig-alley had 15 yrs ago. and yes please, when i come in for my emergency landing with a damaged aircraft in some french farmers field, i'd like to see the the cows in the paddock scatter and run for their lives, is that really to much to ask in 2013 ? i fear we might be going back to a soviet style gameplay with no sophistication or imagination. NO LADA OR TRABANT STYLE FLIGHTSIM PLEASE, WE WANT OLEGS GRAND VISION REALIZED !!. just fix the freakin thing and activate all the grand complex elements that have been worked on for years (most of which are near completion already), or release those parts to the community to work on !

zapatista

12-09-2012, 04:42 PM

We have, however, to read between the lines.

For example....

This is pure speculation from my part but it sounds like the "sequel" will be made using the ROF engine to me!

you better put your glasses on

RoF is directX8 and its poor little performance is so overstretched they cant squeze anything more out of it, they cant even model flight physics in real time and rely on canned and scripted modeling

to many people are deluded by a few shiny things they see and believe all that glitters is gold, RoF is totally useless for any of us that aim to obtain realistic flight physics in a next gen grafix environment

and no, for the feeble minded for who this reality check will trigger a knee jerk reaction from, dont derail this thread with your RoF fanboy chants your in the wrong department, go to your own den in the defunk toy department in the basement and keep that nonsense out of here

furbs

12-09-2012, 04:46 PM

Of course they will fix it Zap, the fixes are easy and simple, according to what you have told me.

MiGCap

12-09-2012, 05:19 PM

no lada or trabant style flightsim please, we want olegs grand vision realized !!

+1! :!:

ATAG_Colander

12-09-2012, 07:35 PM

you better put your glasses on

RoF is directX8 and its poor little performance is so overstretched they cant squeze anything more out of it, they cant even model flight physics in real time and rely on canned and scripted modeling

to many people are deluded by a few shiny things they see and believe all that glitters is gold, RoF is totally useless for any of us that aim to obtain realistic flight physics in a next gen grafix environment

and no, for the feeble minded for who this reality check will trigger a knee jerk reaction from, dont derail this thread with your RoF fanboy chants your in the wrong department, go to your own den in the defunk toy department in the basement and keep that nonsense out of here

1.- I said in my post "don't shoot the messenger" and that's exactly what you are doing.
2.- I don't own ROF so the "ROF fanboy" attack does not work with me.
3.- Glasses are needed by those who can't read.

ElAurens

12-09-2012, 09:54 PM

NO way the R0F engine will work for a WW2 sim.

It cannot handle even modest numbers of ground objects. How are you going to simulate proper ground attack, which is the heart of the air war in the East?

R0F is very enjoyable, but it is also very, very limited in it's capabilities. One look at it's sterile, picture post card world environment should be a big clue.

Freycinet

12-09-2012, 10:01 PM

1.- I said in my post "don't shoot the messenger" and that's exactly what you are doing.
2.- I don't own ROF so the "ROF fanboy" attack does not work with me.
3.- Glasses are needed by those who can't read.

Colander, please don't waste your time on these people who have only ever contributed hate and negativity. You cannot change them, nothing can, and they are not worth it at all.

podvoxx

12-10-2012, 09:24 AM

New rumors
http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/showthread.php?t=68949&p=1940229&viewfull=1#post1940229

http://forum.aviaskins.com/showpost.php?p=109873&postcount=1258
Ребята, привет.
Общался с B6. Кстати, он здесь тоже зарегистрирован.
Просто ждём анонса от 1С.
С уважением, Sparr

http://forum.aviaskins.com/showpost.php?p=109919&postcount=1261
Ребята, не бойтесь. Я не фанат БОБ и серии вообще, скорее даже противник, но я кое-что выяснил в процессе частной переписки с Александром Тимашковым B6. Приведу цитаты вопросов и ответов:

В: "скажите а это правда что БОБ заброшен и Битвы за Москву не будет?"

О: "Да, проект БОБ был полностью закрыт этой осенью после выпуска финального патча. 1С сейчас занимается разработкой сиквела, скоро будет официальный анонс."
В: "Скажите, а слухи про увольнение сотрудников MG это вранье?"
О: "У нас произошла реорганизация отдела разработки симуляторов, об этом будет рассказано в анонсе"

Вся переписка происходила по несколько иному поводу, но заодно так сказать и прояснил для себя, а то на Сухом устроили ад какой-то. Все вопросы и ответы имеют дату 06.12.12.
Если кому от этого станет чуть легче или как-то прояснит ситуацию, то я рад, что помог успокоиться нервным вирпилам.
Удачи мужики. Скоро праздники!!!

P.S.: Дмитрий меня даже опередил. Видимо его тоже осенило, что ответ надо узнавать у официальных людей в частном порядке.
Счастливого Нового Года!

Black Six
http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/showthread.php?t=68949&p=1940242&viewfull=1#post1940242
Все таки привычка давать даже в личной переписке тока официальные ответы без какого-либо эксклюзива выручает. Но напротив товарища Грохота галочку поставил)

zapatista

12-10-2012, 09:54 AM

thanks for the post podvoxx !

oks, using google translator those last few posts just added more confusion :)

no idea or indication who the poster is either. it also conflicts with DEDA's earlier information that work on BoM was continuing. still, that might just be a terminology issue about the exact name of the next sequel, as long as they are hard at work creating the next ww2 flightsim all is well

the good news is that whatever announcement we are due to get to clarify all this, should be coming fairly soon, rather then be months away

Mysticpuma

12-10-2012, 11:41 AM

I really just hope that whatever happens the original CloD gets fixed by 1C or by the talented modders who have already shown there are fixes possible that could so easily have been done for the 'final' patch.

Regarding the translation giving conflicting information to Deda, do all of us now go with the new info. or is that seen as unofficial (unlike Deda's and Cartoons) and therefore dismissed as heresy?

Currently all I see is unofficial posts where the positive ones are true and the negative are just speculation?

Shall we just request that speculative threads are deleted until the official news which was reported unofficially to arrive 3-weeks-ago?

MP

Fjordmonkey

12-10-2012, 11:45 AM

I really just hope that whatever happens the original CloD gets fixed by 1C or by the talented modders who have already shown there are fixes possible that could so easily have been done for the 'final' patch.

Why are you waiting on 1C to fix CLoD when they have time and time again said that they have stopped all work on it? Give it up already. :rolleyes:

RPS69

12-10-2012, 12:07 PM

I suppose that someone is blaiming the whole clod delays on the big idea of making this not just a flight sim, but a full war engine.
Is the only logical explanation for so many exagerated details on ground objects.

In general, I swear I never got that clear view of a truck I'am straffing to see it's license plates! :P

On the other hand, ground objects movements have been almost unattended, and they trully worked fine on il2, with some problems, but with rational work arounds. On clod, is something that it is still beta.

I agree that on BoB ground objects are not very usefull except ships, that work far better than on il2, but are lacking a bit on the variety depatment.

Now, the flying is superb, so putting everything aside from what we started to see last patch, sounds like stupidity.

To recover this developement mess, they just need to follow one step at a time, and not start a whole new project from scratch. Last patch was excellent. They recovered some time, now they could work on the tools for campaigns developement. Games like Wot and similar got you tired a bit faster than il2, maybe they make more money on the concept, but they are abandoned sooner.

zapatista

12-10-2012, 12:29 PM

On the other hand, ground objects movements have been almost unattended, and they trully worked fine on il2, with some problems, but with rational work arounds. On clod, is something that it is still beta..

i think ground movement of ai vehicles and trains is already in a much more advanced state then many of us have realized.

there already are CoD users who have created some complex tank battles (with the winner gaining territory and advancing to engage the next objectives, or "capture" opponents airfields for ex), and (limited) user made major activations of features like having supply convoys on roads traveling to specific destinations, ambulances and fire trucks meeting damaged aircraft that land, having both rail and civilian buses running on pre-planned routes and making stops at stations, 1e person control of some ground vehicles or ships, 1e user control of AA guns on land or guns on ships, creation of a complex chain radar system with real time early warnings to flight crews etc...

no doubt it needs more work (and specifically a user interface, rather then having to edit files with code), but large elements are already there, and they were largely finished when oleg tried to assemble all these pre-completed elements in his last phase of creating a working beta product (when to his dismay the gfx engine turned out not to be up to scratch)

it would be one of the biggest acts of managerial stupidity to chuck all of that out for the sake of wanting a "simple flightsim"

RPS69

12-10-2012, 11:35 PM

i think ground movement of ai vehicles and trains is already in a much more advanced state then many of us have realized.

I agree on the advantages opened by coding, but I was talking about objects plainly dissappearing on the ground, or tracking through buildings.

Maybe those are more object or map oriented bugs. Don't know for sure.

On the other hand, a sim with full interaction with ground objects, is a bit different from an all vehicle sim... the first you got reasonable behaviour on ground troops, and artillery. The other is more like a Battlefield scenario... well... it would be awesome! But have all that with the damage quality of airplanes in CloD, in all vehicles, and maybe humans... I think it is still a concept a bit too soon to be fully implemented.

I could bet money that when they started manning ground objects inside of CloD, they improved damage boxes to wheels, tracks, engines, fuel tanks, and ammo storage instantly.

I believe they allowed their imagination to fly too high, got a lot of fun doing it, but got completely out of time schedulles. I won't blame them, but someone allready had, for sure.

I think that we should encourage a money per fully working patch here. The game deserves it, and maybe it helps them to be more on the spot, without loosing the ability to fly high because of a low budget ceiling. ;)

Chivas

12-11-2012, 01:30 AM

MadBlaster

12-11-2012, 02:01 AM

"Personally I'm glad they made the decision to build a new game engine, and give kudos to the IC publishers for financing the develpment as long as they have. "

dude gives kudos every damn day.

zapatista

12-11-2012, 02:04 AM

Oleg's original plan was to build a complex game engine, for more than one use, not just air to air battles, but also designed to eventually have combined forces, and movie making features to be fleshed out slowly as the air series developed, then full throttle when all the air theaters were completed.

Aircraft were first implemented in wars to be a factor in the ground war, so it makes sense to build a game engine that could eventually add more complex ground war features. They tried to make "every" aspect of the game engine more complex,

yes, and many of us here wanted that grand vision of the SoW series to come to life, and the current CoD already gives a good indication of the many other elements that are included that are taking it beyond being "a simple flightsim". we dont want it to become a 1e person shooter, or a ship sim, but having some control over some ground vehicles and ships was a truly visionary leap forward that would really set the sim apart (and other developers are also working in that direction). we also need the dynamic campaign engine to let servers run 24/7, and a gradual implementation of the dynamic weather system etc

one of the most recent sukoi posts provided here by podvox however indicates that the "new manager" they are about to put in charge is appealing to the financiers because he is arguing for a "simple flightsim" (without many of the expanded elements oleg was working on) and that he will dumb down the whole SoW series.

to do this at a time when they just solved the main problem with CoD/BoM would be the largest act of managerial stupidity ever committed. it is not a problem if they halt further work on those elements, and reassess them in 6 or 12 months time after BoM is released, but to actually cut them out now and completely remove them for the sake of a few short term slaps on the back by the same senior managers who created the problem in the first place (by them not seeing that oleg as part time manager didnt control the project well enough) would be a total folly. what we need now id for BoM to be released soon with many further fixes of the old unfinished elements (like AI behavior and commands), and release a well rounded product that will regain 1C-SoW's reputation

for ex luthier indicated the AI aircraft routines and AI commands needed a total rewrite of the code which would take many months, and couldn't be sorted out with a short term quick fix. so will the new trabant-managers for the sake of simplicity also remove the elements like AI pilot experience and bravery elements that were built into the advanced AI routines by oleg ? will we end up with generic bland AI that has a uniform behavior and response ? i really hope not. similarly if the sim is currently designed to allow for some limited ground vehicle control (tank/trucks etc), why not leave that element in and let the community expand on it in its own way instead of removing it completely ? similarly if there is already a limited ability to control AA flak units or guns on tanks (we have seen screenshots of this), leave it in ffs and dont just remove it.

i really hope the russian users are as concerned about this as we are, or we'll end up with a bland dumbed down empty soulless world with a few pretty objects and a limited perpetual airquake scenario, what a waste that would be after all the hard work that was already put in all those previous years.

CARTOON

12-11-2012, 07:06 AM

...without many of the expanded elements oleg was working on) and that he will dumb down the whole SoW series........i really hope the russian users are as concerned about this as we are, or we'll end up with a bland dumbed down empty soulless world with a few pretty objects and a limited perpetual airquake scenario, what a waste that would be after all the hard work that was already put in all those previous years.

Hi ! Sure we are discussing it there and the question rises - where is Oleg with his planes of " capturing the Galaxy" ?

p.s. on russian forum we guess it is going to be Battle of Stalingrad very likely and it is hot on our forum right now. We have read signs and something is certainely going to happen very soon. That was another gossips from the dumb troll )))

JG52Krupi

12-11-2012, 07:18 AM

:lol: Cartoon!

Thanks for keeping us informed.

Chivas

12-11-2012, 07:23 AM

"Personally I'm glad they made the decision to build a new game engine, and give kudos to the IC publishers for financing the develpment as long as they have. "

dude gives kudos every damn day.

Go back to beating your dog dude.

klem

12-11-2012, 09:52 AM

yes, and many of us here wanted that grand vision of the SoW series to come to life, and the current CoD already gives a good indication of the many other elements that are included that are taking it beyond being "a simple flightsim". we dont want it to become a 1e person shooter, or a ship sim, but having some control over some ground vehicles and ships was a truly visionary leap forward that would really set the sim apart (and other developers are also working in that direction). we also need the dynamic campaign engine to let servers run 24/7, and a gradual implementation of the dynamic weather system etc

one of the most recent sukoi posts provided here by podvox however indicates that the "new manager" they are about to put in charge is appealing to the financiers because he is arguing for a "simple flightsim" (without many of the expanded elements oleg was working on) and that he will dumb down the whole SoW series.

to do this at a time when they just solved the main problem with CoD/BoM would be the largest act of managerial stupidity ever committed. it is not a problem if they halt further work on those elements, and reassess them in 6 or 12 months time after BoM is released, but to actually cut them out now and completely remove them for the sake of a few short term slaps on the back by the same senior managers who created the problem in the first place (by them not seeing that oleg as part time manager didnt control the project well enough) would be a total folly. what we need now id for BoM to be released soon with many further fixes of the old unfinished elements (like AI behavior and commands), and release a well rounded product that will regain 1C-SoW's reputation

for ex luthier indicated the AI aircraft routines and AI commands needed a total rewrite of the code which would take many months, and couldn't be sorted out with a short term quick fix. so will the new trabant-managers for the sake of simplicity also remove the elements like AI pilot experience and bravery elements that were built into the advanced AI routines by oleg ? will we end up with generic bland AI that has a uniform behavior and response ? i really hope not. similarly if the sim is currently designed to allow for some limited ground vehicle control (tank/trucks etc), why not leave that element in and let the community expand on it in its own way instead of removing it completely ? similarly if there is already a limited ability to control AA flak units or guns on tanks (we have seen screenshots of this), leave it in ffs and dont just remove it.

i really hope the russian users are as concerned about this as we are, or we'll end up with a bland dumbed down empty soulless world with a few pretty objects and a limited perpetual airquake scenario, what a waste that would be after all the hard work that was already put in all those previous years.

I agree it would be a travesty to dumb down the development plans and make it just another 'also ran' or 'me too' combat flight sim. It was always intended to take us forward, not stand still or even go backwards.

But are 1C listening? Are they even reading this, tucked away in the Pilots Lounge of a forum for a game they have already stepped away from? I doubt if they even come here now.

If they laid out their roadmap for SoW, even at top level with general scope, I think the community would go with it, at least knowing the plan. There doesn't even have to be a fixed timescale, just a declaration of intent. At the moment we are expecting 'the sequel', "CoD on the Eastern Front with some more fixes". What with that and the speculation on the sukhoi forum about a new manager its not surprising that we are sceptical about where the future lies. There isn't even a forum for games under development.

I do have to correct you on one poiint though zapatista, "having some control over some ground vehicles and ships was a truly visionary leap forward " is not a visionary leap forward at all. It has been in Aces High for over ten years. And it is a great addition.

Feathered_IV

12-11-2012, 10:00 AM

Doesn't get any better chaps :cool:

http://forum.il2sturmovik.net/

Skoshi Tiger

12-11-2012, 10:06 AM

Doesn't get any better chaps :cool:

http://forum.il2sturmovik.net/

Still have to wait for the 2014 release date. Hmmm ! which engine will it be running? Will it be a pregression of the COD engine or the ROF??????

With this change the cards are well and truely shuffled and thrown into the air. Where they will land is any bodies guess!

Cheers! What ever else it will be one hell of a ride! It real is an immersion killer for me!

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Q. Will BOS be based on the Digital Nature engine (777 Studios Technology)?

A. Yes, the Digital Nature engine and associated technologies will be the basis for BOS, but of course work will be done to make it ready for WWII aircraft and other changes to the code will no doubt occur over time. The engine is an ever evolving piece of software.

Q. Will BOS install over CLOD as promised by previous management?

A. Sorry it will not, BOS will be based on a completely different engine and be a completely different product line.

Oh dear COD is dead as far as development is concerned!

I hope the (ROF) fix the trees so they don't spin

fruitbat

12-11-2012, 10:27 AM

lol, "i told you so" just doesn't quite seem to cut it.....

Feathered_IV

12-11-2012, 10:43 AM

lol, "i told you so" just doesn't quite seem to cut it.....

Quite. ;)

Some of the clod squad will need quite a bit of time to adjust I suspect.

Hood

12-11-2012, 11:02 AM

Quite. ;)

Some of the clod squad will need quite a bit of time to adjust I suspect.

A-hah, but they didn't "promise" that the next instalment would merge with CLOD did they? They just said it would...

Oh...

Hood

klem

12-11-2012, 11:08 AM

Dare I ask if this website is genuine or a spoof? Can anyone confirm?

If its real it raises the question "can the community get its hands on the CoD code and/or SDK to try to sort it out?"

Volksieg

12-11-2012, 11:28 AM

Dare I ask if this website is genuine or a spoof? Can anyone confirm?

If its real it raises the question "can the community get its hands on the CoD code and/or SDK to try to sort it out?"

It's real. Blacksix has posted an announcement on here.

I'm staying positive about this development as it means we do, at the very least, have a future. Let's see what they cook up for us.

I would like to see them release the code/SDK though... if only as a goodwill gesture. It would be funny if someone like TD ended up turning CloD into something that blew Stalingrad out of the skies.... which is why, I suspect, we won't be getting the SDK.... :D

klem

12-11-2012, 11:44 AM

It's real. Blacksix has posted an announcement on here.

I'm staying positive about this development as it means we do, at the very least, have a future. Let's see what they cook up for us.

I would like to see them release the code/SDK though... if only as a goodwill gesture. It would be funny if someone like TD ended up turning CloD into something that blew Stalingrad out of the skies.... which is why, I suspect, we won't be getting the SDK.... :D

I agree they are unlikely to let the community upstage them. I've very mixed feelings about the whole business and feel an opportunity has been lost but lately I had become resigned to 1C no longer being up to the job and that BoM would not have been much better (as a game engine and content) than CoD so perhaps it will be for the best.

Hero to Zero in 18 months.

RPS69

12-11-2012, 02:17 PM

So the new management, with "great" understanding decided to downgrade CloD to a lesser product.

They could keep CloD as it is, and apply the expanding concept from RoF.

A pitty, it took Olegs almost six years to understand the ground concept for game enrichment, and there it comes some genius that go to the managing practice of showing everybody that he is doing something...

Well, the same as everywhere I suppose.

I should be happy, having lived the whole il2 process. It was a golden era, like 80's music. Then financial managers came and everything goes commercial.

Trumper

12-11-2012, 03:27 PM

Is it good news?,well i suppose the other options aren't any better.Clod is dead so alot of people have spent good money chasing bad,how do we know how good the new sim will be.
Personally i have no interest in the Russian front now,il2 did that.

Slipstream2012

12-11-2012, 03:56 PM

Quite. ;)

Some of the clod squad will need quite a bit of time to adjust I suspect.

People that enjoy real simulations you mean and followed IL2 from the start?

Or arcade fan-boy's like yourself that just want to shoot everything down without regard for realism?

Gloat whilst you can, because if 777 don't get it right, Jason will find himself just like Luthier did, sitting on the top of the '1' in 1c.

WTE_Galway

12-11-2012, 09:27 PM

klem

12-11-2012, 09:54 PM

Let us be honest, a great slab of the work invested into CoD involved getting the maps historically correct, the airfields historical and attempting to get the 40's feel and look historical for the period but that all turned out to be of no interest to the majority of players, or at least the majority posting on forums.

In the end it turned out what people really wanted was the ability to showoff their elite gaming skills in an online 3D flying FPS with awesome graphics and who cares about historical accuracy.

The new sim sounds like it will be awesome for showing off elite gaming skills in an online 3D flying FPS with awesome graphics without to much attention to historical detail mucking up the online game balance.

Sounds to me that people are getting exactly what they have been asking for.

I can't agree with that. Historically correct maps? Barely, not considering the data available, its more like one of those simplified maps from a tourist guide. Historical airfields? No, just airfields put mostly in the right place with some correct runways (and too many unuseable runway surfaces). The attempt to make it look and feel like the 1940's fell short of making it feel like the BoB or historical basically due to the poor FMB which is why offline and basic on-line campaigns are naff. On-line campaigns are now only beginning to feel like the BoB because of the amount of work put into them by some of the dedicated members of the community, not easy when it calls for extensive complex scripting. The poor FMs don't help it feel historical or like the BoB either. They got close to getting it right then jumped ship.

What do we want? Most guys I meet on line want realism not FPS.

Awesome graphics? Yes I'd go with that for CoD, it is a big step forward but BoS will be Dx9. Can Dx9 deliver CoD-standard grapics? The RoF graphics don't impress me. In this respect CoD raised the bar.

My worry is that we will get exactly what we haven't been asking for. We can only wait and see.

Punch_145

12-12-2012, 07:35 AM

Ground Objects, frame-rate, historical accuracy, new A/C ....................Just make Co-ops work that's all we need............

Regards,

KG26_Alpha

12-13-2012, 04:42 PM

Ground Objects, frame-rate, historical accuracy, new A/C ....................Just make Co-ops work that's all we need............

Regards,

+1

Hello Punch
:grin:

Punch_145

12-13-2012, 04:55 PM

How you doing m8......................been a long time :)

DuxCorvan

12-13-2012, 11:26 PM

None of this would have happened, had CLoD been half as good and appealing as it was supposed to be after years of unending development and heart melting promises. In the end, they were overwhelmed, they botched it, they got deaf to critics, and it was a dud. Planes were few, the campaign was a bore lacking all immersion, the FMB was a joke, the engine was stuttery and too demanding, and terrain colors were terrible Van-Goghesque pastels.

CLoD was a failure. The price to pay, is that industry does not trust anymore in the conoisseur-targeted formula. They have a business, you know, and they want it to be profitable. CLoD is not.

Of course, if they go for the mean and greedy micro-DLC business formula they used in ROF, I'm out of this one, too. And pray they don't resurrect that stupid constant online DRM they used then, now that is somehow fashionable again.

ElAurens

12-14-2012, 12:00 AM

Feathered_IV

12-14-2012, 12:25 AM

People that enjoy real simulations you mean and followed IL2 from the start?

Or arcade fan-boy's like yourself that just want to shoot everything down without regard for realism?

Gloat whilst you can, because if 777 don't get it right, Jason will find himself just like Luthier did, sitting on the top of the '1' in 1c.

And who the heck are you, some blow in character who presumes to know me?? :evil:

zapatista

12-14-2012, 10:35 AM

I have my doubts that the R0F folks can pull it off as well.

Sure they will have a title called IL2, and it will work on many different spec machines, but, it is being built on an old engine that is severely limited in capabilities.

I guess I'm just jaded after all this time.

I hope the new sim will be good, nay, great. But I expect it will be mediocre at best.

Hope I'm wrong.

RoF will pull of BoS, but only because they aim their standards very low and only need to satisfy the arcade crowd who wants a "pretty" looking game with planes in it, its not the next il2 sim, its RoF with a few ww2 planes and a different scenery.

they are not concerned with modeling Stalingrad as a large city with multiple object, neither are they concerned to provide a large amount of ground objects as tanks, vehicles or opposing frontline infantry positions. and you wont have highly realistic flight physics being modeled or flight being simulating in real time either, nor will you be able to have 100 players online with a large amount of AI aircraft or AI ground activity at the same time. remember the front lines on the RoF maps ? its just a vague grey line without objects, the maps are empty sterile places without activity. to give you some perspective on the realism of their flight models,my 5 yo nephew could takeoff on the 1e attempt successfully, fly around and shoot up some things, and make a pretty decent landing. and that is for some of the aircraft that were the most tricky and difficult to fly in aviation history. i looked forward to any sim recreating that era partic the pre war and early war aircraft that were more eccentric and varied, with odd and difficult controls, but RoF is complete arcade junk compared to what it should be to claim the "simulator" description. if people like it and are willing to pay 500$ for it and fall for the teflon marketing excuses that you have to keep funding it, be my guest, they only need a few 1000 fools out of a planet of billions to be a success, but for those aspiring to somebody with the right pedigree creating a worthwhile ww2 sim, you'r looking in the wrong place, it wont be jason's re-skinned RoF game that will do it.

so in that sense, yes, "RoF will be a success". they are selling they product to a different crowd, teens with pocket money and a limited attention span and not to much ability to grasp complex issues

remember, RoF did not get the il2 aircraft flight model codes, they are getting the modelers who draw and paint the planes, not the technical staff who actually make the realistic flight physics.

but get ready for the marketing push that is already mindlessly repeated by the spotty faced teen crowd "its just like il2 sturmovik, 'cause i am full real and it says so on the box". but its gonna be boring, with an empty lifeless world and arcade style gameplay and grafix (as RoF already is now). and yes, RoF will make money for 1C (and teflon jason), so they all will be happy

but for those of us that had high hopes on receiving our next installment in the il2 sturmovick line and progress to a very advanced complex flightsim with incredible detail and advanced realistic flight models, they killed of the project barely 2 months into into life. other then DCS's p51 project and the new gfx engine to be released in 12 months time, i see nothing else on the horizon for at least a decade

zapatista

12-14-2012, 10:49 AM

And who the heck are you, some blow in character who presumes to know me?? :evil:
lol for a newcomer he got you pegged pretty well

taildraggernut

12-14-2012, 11:08 AM

lol for a newcomer he got you pegged pretty well

+1

bzc3lk

12-14-2012, 11:30 AM

RoF will pull of BoS, but only because they aim their standards very low and only need to satisfy the arcade crowd who wants a "pretty" looking game with planes in it, its not the next il2 sim, its RoF with a few ww2 planes and a different scenery.

they are not concerned with modeling Stalingrad as a large city with multiple object, neither are they concerned to provide a large amount of ground objects as tanks, vehicles or opposing frontline infantry positions. and you wont have highly realistic flight physics being modeled or flight being simulating in real time either, nor will you be able to have 100 players online with a large amount of AI aircraft or AI ground activity at the same time. remember the front lines on the RoF maps ? its just a vague grey line without objects, the maps are empty sterile places without activity. to give you some perspective on the realism of their flight models,my 5 yo nephew could takeoff on the 1e attempt successfully, fly around and shoot up some things, and make a pretty decent landing. and that is for some of the aircraft that were the most tricky and difficult to fly in aviation history. i looked forward to any sim recreating that era partic the pre war and early war aircraft that were more eccentric and varied, with odd and difficult controls, but RoF is complete arcade junk compared to what it should be to claim the "simulator" description. if people like it and are willing to pay 500$ for it and fall for the teflon marketing excuses that you have to keep funding it, be my guest, they only need a few 1000 fools out of a planet of billions to be a success, but for those aspiring to somebody with the right pedigree creating a worthwhile ww2 sim, you'r looking in the wrong place, it wont be jason's re-skinned RoF game that will do it.

so in that sense, yes, "RoF will be a success". they are selling they product to a different crowd, teens with pocket money and a limited attention span and not to much ability to grasp complex issues

remember, RoF did not get the il2 aircraft flight model codes, they are getting the modelers who draw and paint the planes, not the technical staff who actually make the realistic flight physics.

but get ready for the marketing push that is already mindlessly repeated by the spotty faced teen crowd "its just like il2 sturmovik, 'cause i am full real and it says so on the box". but its gonna be boring, with an empty lifeless world and arcade style gameplay and grafix (as RoF already is now). and yes, RoF will make money for 1C (and teflon jason), so they all will be happy

but for those of us that had high hopes on receiving our next installment in the il2 sturmovick line and progress to a very advanced complex flightsim with incredible detail and advanced realistic flight models, they killed of the project barely 2 months into into life. other then DCS's p51 project and the new gfx engine to be released in 12 months time, i see nothing else on the horizon for at least a decade

You gotta stop reading these for your information! LOL :rolleyes:

http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f51/bzc3lk/crystal_balls_zps880591f5.jpg

If all else fails, this might be more up your alley ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxaYcQ49FLg

The Eight Ball about sums it up "Don't Count On It!" ;)

zapatista

12-14-2012, 01:52 PM

You gotta stop reading these for your information!

tree,

lol how can you even keep up with all those different nick registrations

it should give you a bit of a hint you keep getting banned for them on all these different forums, have a look in your mirror, maybe you can see what the rest of see in you (no prize money for that one, to easy), hint if you cant see it, see if you can smell it :)

oooo and what joy you had on the cancellation of BoM, letting out little squeaks of delight you could barely type straight you were so overjoyed another promising flightsim is cancelled, but you do realize you gonna have to run with a handful of dollars to teflon jason every few weeks when he plays his "if you dont buy more crap junk from us now we are going to close and you wont have anything" fiddle ? I DONT THINK SO ! somehow i dont see little tree spending 100's of dollars to hop on that band wagon lol

just be aware that with your complete misreading of what this ww2-RoF game is going to be like, you've just started to pretend RoF's BoS is going to be some great high tech marvel, with flightmodels better then il2 and CoD, with better and more detailed plane models, better modeling of aircraft components and subsystems with more complex damage models, better more detailed scenery, more objects on the ground and in the air, servers with more players online then the 90 now possible with CoD (yes you even missed the netcode was fixed lol), more detailed damage models for aircraft inside and external, better realistic weather systems, modeling of real time radar systems, highly detailed low level scenery with moving grass/crops, extended clar visibility to the horizon,...... and..... and.......hang on, you dont REALLY believe that do you ? because with your limited intelectual abilities you havnt even thought that far now eh ? because i am ready with my little wager again that it wont be anything like that summary i just gave lol :) and you bloody well know it ! so start slithering back to the rock you came out from ya yello belly, 'cause all you got is the whining, it is ALL YOU ARE ! and ever have been :)

but none of that matters to you does it, all you do is moan and bitch and you get a little tingle in your nether region every-time you get attention by the low IQ teens who gather around you like flies on a turd. that behavior in medical terms is called a perversion tree, its when you get your emotional reward system cross-wired and you feel good by doing bad or harmful things to others, you know the same way the pyromaniacs do when they light a fire, oooo how exited they get. just like little tree who with sweaty palms types his next thread turd and seeks attention with his petulant whining

now go rinse the sand out of your man-gina, and tell your little RoF chums how fantastic you think their little arcade sim is going to be, untill, well, when you wake up and see they are only producing a much inferior product.

the sad thing is, you'r not even smart enough to understand what has just happened and how close flight-simmers came to get a truly amazing sim that would have dwarfed anything il2 ever was, but then again that not really including you is it ?

ParaB

12-14-2012, 01:59 PM

...all you do is moan and bitch...

Oh the irony!

:mrgreen:

SlipBall

12-14-2012, 02:29 PM

Show some respect Zap, after all he was the leader of the resistance...in history, they usually get hung by their mases, when things don't work out too well.:-P

Davy TASB

12-14-2012, 02:58 PM

RoF will pull of BoS, but only because they aim their standards very low and only need to satisfy the arcade crowd who wants a "pretty" looking game with planes in it, its not the next il2 sim, its RoF with a few ww2 planes and a different scenery.

There's one good thing about being as negative about a new product as you are, and that is you wont be or cant be disappointed.

Might try it meself sometime. :D

Matt255

12-14-2012, 03:13 PM

Planes were few, the campaign was a bore lacking all immersion, the FMB was a joke, the engine was stuttery and too demanding, and terrain colors were terrible Van-Goghesque pastels
Unfortunately, that's all true for RoF and/or will most likely be true for BoS aswell, unless they fix all that in a few months (about same time as they are working on the Channel map alone now). I thought the CloD were too vibrant and not at all pastel like, atleast compared with the RoF colors, but oh well.

I don't care who develops this next sim, but it will take a very long time until we'll get a complex WW2 flightsim like that. The 2014 release date will either mean low content, bugs or both. They should take their time and get it right for once.

Fjordmonkey

12-14-2012, 03:37 PM

You know, most of the threads on this forum has reduced itself to something like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=hNz1CgVa46E

bzc3lk

12-15-2012, 02:37 AM

tree,

lol how can you even keep up with all those different nick registrations

it should give you a bit of a hint you keep getting banned for them on all these different forums, have a look in your mirror, maybe you can see what the rest of see in you (no prize money for that one, to easy), hint if you cant see it, see if you can smell it :)

oooo and what joy you had on the cancellation of BoM, letting out little squeaks of delight you could barely type straight you were so overjoyed another promising flightsim is cancelled, but you do realize you gonna have to run with a handful of dollars to teflon jason every few weeks when he plays his "if you dont buy more crap junk from us now we are going to close and you wont have anything" fiddle ? I DONT THINK SO ! somehow i dont see little tree spending 100's of dollars to hop on that band wagon lol

just be aware that with your complete misreading of what this ww2-RoF game is going to be like, you've just started to pretend RoF's BoS is going to be some great high tech marvel, with flightmodels better then il2 and CoD, with better and more detailed plane models, better modeling of aircraft components and subsystems with more complex damage models, better more detailed scenery, more objects on the ground and in the air, servers with more players online then the 90 now possible with CoD (yes you even missed the netcode was fixed lol), more detailed damage models for aircraft inside and external, better realistic weather systems, modeling of real time radar systems, highly detailed low level scenery with moving grass/crops, extended clar visibility to the horizon,...... and..... and.......hang on, you dont REALLY believe that do you ? because with your limited intelectual abilities you havnt even thought that far now eh ? because i am ready with my little wager again that it wont be anything like that summary i just gave lol :) and you bloody well know it ! so start slithering back to the rock you came out from ya yello belly, 'cause all you got is the whining, it is ALL YOU ARE ! and ever have been :)

but none of that matters to you does it, all you do is moan and bitch and you get a little tingle in your nether region every-time you get attention by the low IQ teens who gather around you like flies on a turd. that behavior in medical terms is called a perversion tree, its when you get your emotional reward system cross-wired and you feel good by doing bad or harmful things to others, you know the same way the pyromaniacs do when they light a fire, oooo how exited they get. just like little tree who with sweaty palms types his next thread turd and seeks attention with his petulant whining

now go rinse the sand out of your man-gina, and tell your little RoF chums how fantastic you think their little arcade sim is going to be, untill, well, when you wake up and see they are only producing a much inferior product.

the sad thing is, you'r not even smart enough to understand what has just happened and how close flight-simmers came to get a truly amazing sim that would have dwarfed anything il2 ever was, but then again that not really including you is it ?

http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f51/bzc3lk/OHNOTREEEEE_zps2c45ece7.jpg

Still haven't changed that crystal ball? :grin:

Might be a case of Tree paranoia, so you better purchase one of these.;)

http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f51/bzc3lk/TREEPROOFtin-foil-hat_zpsfec67484.jpg

It might also be a case of !!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXoNE14U_zM
:rolleyes:

Either way, your vitriol is highly entertaining. As young Mr Grace would say "Keep up the good work". :lol:

zapatista

12-15-2012, 12:34 PM

Either way, your vitriol is highly entertaining. As young Mr Grace would say "Keep up the good work":

tree

i hate to tell you this, but you'r actually quite boring

there is nothing else to you except the constant bitching and moaning, no substance, no intellect, no understanding, no reasoning. just a mindless loop of never evolving repetition of the same negative crap

and i find your glee and joy at the discontinuation of the SoW series distasteful, but it shows you up for the small minded petulant little git you are. you were overjoyed that CoD had problems at release time, never recognized or understood the major improvements that were made with the patches a year later, and now again are squeaking with delight when the whole series is discontinued

there is just one major problem with this for you that you dont even realise,all you got left now is the bland cartoon RoF arcade hell with teflon jason coming to pick your pickets every 20 min so he can buy a bigger house and a newer car, without ever creating anything that comes actually close to being a true ww2 aviation simulator, enjoy what you asked for, 'cause thats all you gonna get

lol, so your not taking me up on the bet ? thought so :) once identified as a yellow belly little skunk, your character is unlikely to change

furbs

12-15-2012, 01:38 PM

Your slagging off Jason of 777 who are in partnership with 1C on a 1C forum. Good luck with that Zap.

taildraggernut

12-15-2012, 01:40 PM

yeah zap, that's almost as bad as slagging off Luthier on a 1C forum while he was working exclusively for 1C, and nobody ever did that now.....

Cranky

12-15-2012, 01:45 PM

tree

i hate to tell you this, but you'r actually quite boring

there is nothing else to you except the constant bitching and moaning, no substance, no intellect, no understanding, no reasoning. just a mindless loop of never evolving repetition of the same negative crap

and i find your glee and joy at the discontinuation of the SoW series distasteful, but it shows you up for the small minded petulant little git you are. you were overjoyed that CoD had problems at release time, never recognized or understood the major improvements that were made with the patches a year later, and now again are squeaking with delight when the whole series is discontinued

there is just one major problem with this for you that you dont even realise,all you got left now is the bland cartoon RoF arcade hell with teflon jason coming to pick your pickets every 20 min so he can buy a bigger house and a newer car, without ever creating anything that comes actually close to being a true ww2 aviation simulator, enjoy what you asked for, 'cause thats all you gonna get

lol, so your not taking me up on the bet ? thought so :) once identified as a yellow belly little skunk, your character is unlikely to change

lol, love it, keep going Zappy baby, its great how I can wind you up so tight. :grin::grin::grin::grin: what a muppet.

furbs

12-15-2012, 01:48 PM

yeah zap, that's almost as bad as slagging off Luthier on a 1C forum while he was working exclusively for 1C, and nobody ever did that now.....

I never said it was ok. ;)

Cranky

12-15-2012, 01:53 PM

tree,

lol how can you even keep up with all those different nick registrations

it should give you a bit of a hint you keep getting banned for them on all these different forums, have a look in your mirror, maybe you can see what the rest of see in you (no prize money for that one, to easy), hint if you cant see it, see if you can smell it :)

oooo and what joy you had on the cancellation of BoM, letting out little squeaks of delight you could barely type straight you were so overjoyed another promising flightsim is cancelled, but you do realize you gonna have to run with a handful of dollars to teflon jason every few weeks when he plays his "if you dont buy more crap junk from us now we are going to close and you wont have anything" fiddle ? I DONT THINK SO ! somehow i dont see little tree spending 100's of dollars to hop on that band wagon lol

just be aware that with your complete misreading of what this ww2-RoF game is going to be like, you've just started to pretend RoF's BoS is going to be some great high tech marvel, with flightmodels better then il2 and CoD, with better and more detailed plane models, better modeling of aircraft components and subsystems with more complex damage models, better more detailed scenery, more objects on the ground and in the air, servers with more players online then the 90 now possible with CoD (yes you even missed the netcode was fixed lol), more detailed damage models for aircraft inside and external, better realistic weather systems, modeling of real time radar systems, highly detailed low level scenery with moving grass/crops, extended clar visibility to the horizon,...... and..... and.......hang on, you dont REALLY believe that do you ? because with your limited intelectual abilities you havnt even thought that far now eh ? because i am ready with my little wager again that it wont be anything like that summary i just gave lol :) and you bloody well know it ! so start slithering back to the rock you came out from ya yello belly, 'cause all you got is the whining, it is ALL YOU ARE ! and ever have been :)

but none of that matters to you does it, all you do is moan and bitch and you get a little tingle in your nether region every-time you get attention by the low IQ teens who gather around you like flies on a turd. that behavior in medical terms is called a perversion tree, its when you get your emotional reward system cross-wired and you feel good by doing bad or harmful things to others, you know the same way the pyromaniacs do when they light a fire, oooo how exited they get. just like little tree who with sweaty palms types his next thread turd and seeks attention with his petulant whining

now go rinse the sand out of your man-gina, and tell your little RoF chums how fantastic you think their little arcade sim is going to be, untill, well, when you wake up and see they are only producing a much inferior product.

the sad thing is, you'r not even smart enough to understand what has just happened and how close flight-simmers came to get a truly amazing sim that would have dwarfed anything il2 ever was, but then again that not really including you is it ?

Sorry to piss on your parade Zap, but the person you are attacking here isn't Tree.... its funny though.

furbs

12-15-2012, 01:58 PM

From Zap...

tree,

lol how can you even keep up with all those different nick registrations

it should give you a bit of a hint you keep getting banned for them on all these different forums, have a look in your mirror, maybe you can see what the rest of see in you (no prize money for that one, to easy), hint if you cant see it, see if you can smell it

oooo and what joy you had on the cancellation of BoM, letting out little squeaks of delight you could barely type straight you were so overjoyed another promising flightsim is cancelled, but you do realize you gonna have to run with a handful of dollars to teflon jason every few weeks when he plays his "if you dont buy more crap junk from us now we are going to close and you wont have anything" fiddle ? I DONT THINK SO ! somehow i dont see little tree spending 100's of dollars to hop on that band wagon lol

just be aware that with your complete misreading of what this ww2-RoF game is going to be like, you've just started to pretend RoF's BoS is going to be some great high tech marvel, with flightmodels better then il2 and CoD, with better and more detailed plane models, better modeling of aircraft components and subsystems with more complex damage models, better more detailed scenery, more objects on the ground and in the air, servers with more players online then the 90 now possible with CoD (yes you even missed the netcode was fixed lol), more detailed damage models for aircraft inside and external, better realistic weather systems, modeling of real time radar systems, highly detailed low level scenery with moving grass/crops, extended clar visibility to the horizon,...... and..... and.......hang on, you dont REALLY believe that do you ? because with your limited intelectual abilities you havnt even thought that far now eh ? because i am ready with my little wager again that it wont be anything like that summary i just gave lol and you bloody well know it ! so start slithering back to the rock you came out from ya yello belly, 'cause all you got is the whining, it is ALL YOU ARE ! and ever have been

but none of that matters to you does it, all you do is moan and bitch and you get a little tingle in your nether region every-time you get attention by the low IQ teens who gather around you like flies on a turd. that behavior in medical terms is called a perversion tree, its when you get your emotional reward system cross-wired and you feel good by doing bad or harmful things to others, you know the same way the pyromaniacs do when they light a fire, oooo how exited they get. just like little tree who with sweaty palms types his next thread turd and seeks attention with his petulant whining

now go rinse the sand out of your man-gina, and tell your little RoF chums how fantastic you think their little arcade sim is going to be, untill, well, when you wake up and see they are only producing a much inferior product.

the sad thing is, you'r not even smart enough to understand what has just happened and how close flight-simmers came to get a truly amazing sim that would have dwarfed anything il2 ever was, but then again that not really including you is it ?

tree

i hate to tell you this, but you'r actually quite boring

there is nothing else to you except the constant bitching and moaning, no substance, no intellect, no understanding, no reasoning. just a mindless loop of never evolving repetition of the same negative crap

and i find your glee and joy at the discontinuation of the SoW series distasteful, but it shows you up for the small minded petulant little git you are. you were overjoyed that CoD had problems at release time, never recognized or understood the major improvements that were made with the patches a year later, and now again are squeaking with delight when the whole series is discontinued

there is just one major problem with this for you that you dont even realise,all you got left now is the bland cartoon RoF arcade hell with teflon jason coming to pick your pickets every 20 min so he can buy a bigger house and a newer car, without ever creating anything that comes actually close to being a true ww2 aviation simulator, enjoy what you asked for, 'cause thats all you gonna get

lol, so your not taking me up on the bet ? thought so once identified as a yellow belly little skunk, your character is unlikely to change
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Seriousy Zap? You dont think you sound a bit off your head mate?

Tree, you really push his buttons dont you.

Though honestly i almost fell of my chair laughing! cheers!

Cranky

12-15-2012, 02:02 PM

......and just for the record little Zappy baby, I have not said anything about what I think BOS will be like, so please apologize there's a good chap.

bzc3lk

12-15-2012, 02:39 PM

Seriousy Zap? You dont think you sound a bit off your head mate?

Tree, you really push his buttons dont you.

Though honestly i almost fell of my chair laughing! cheers!

There is only one problem Furbs, It aint Tree. Wish it was though, LOL.;)

I think he's suffering from a serious case of

http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f51/bzc3lk/tin-foil-hat01_zps9a301b21.jpg

:grin:

taildraggernut

12-15-2012, 02:44 PM

Tree, you really push his buttons dont you.

Yeah, pushing button is fun, shame we won't be able to in BoS....

zapatista

12-15-2012, 03:05 PM

Your slagging off Jason of 777 who are in partnership with 1C on a 1C forum. Good luck with that Zap.

your a hypocrite furbs

you've never complained the tirade of abuse directed at oleg or luthier, worse, most of the time your part of the one doing the insulting

hypocrite !

zapatista

12-15-2012, 03:09 PM

Sorry to piss on your parade Zap, but the person you are attacking here isn't Tree.... its funny though.

lol, as if anything said by you is worth something

if it looks like a turd, smells like a turd, and all it does is bitch and moan about CoD, luthier, or oleg, it's gotta be tree :)

furbs

12-15-2012, 03:13 PM

your a hypocrite furbs

you've never complained the tirade of abuse directed at oleg or luthier, worse, most of the time your part of the one doing the insulting

hypocrite !

I never said anything personal about Luthier, complained at his development of COD yes, personal insults, no.

Fjordmonkey

12-15-2012, 03:13 PM

lol, as if anything said by you is worth something

if it looks like a turd, smells like a turd, and all it does is bitch and moan about CoD, lthier, or oleg, it's gotta be tree :)

And yet you are somehow better than Tree, with your constant bitching, moaning and whining about not only Tree, but also how idiotic BoS will be, despite very little about BoS actually being known yet and it still being about 2 years off? Somehow you're better than Tree because you will get personal on a grand scale every time anyone actually speaks against you?

There's a saying that one shouldn't throw stones in a glass house. In your case, that's looking more and more like mountain-throwing.

In fact, I'm partial to actually defending Tree a bit, even though I don't particularly like him nor his approach to things. A troll he might well be, but at least he was usually not as vitriolic as you and the other resident troll Adonys is.

...and all it does is bitch and moan about CoD, luthier, or oleg...

And yet strangely, that you're doing the exact same thing about BoS is okay? Odd how that goes.

zapatista

12-15-2012, 03:50 PM

..... how idiotic BoS will be, despite very little about BoS actually being known yet and it still being about 2 years off? ............And yet strangely, that you're doing the exact same thing about BoS is okay? Odd how that goes.

i think you might have missed the announcement, go read it and inform yourself.

BoS is essentially a spruced up RoF with a few ww2 aircraft and some new ground textures. they dont have the il2sturmovik flight model code, and most of the other aspects of what make a flightsim will be significantly inferior. its essentially the RoF ww2 sim the RoF group were already were working on, but its now funded by 1C and allowed to use the sturmovik name in return for a slice of the profits.

as was put earlier

just be aware that with your complete misreading of what this ww2-RoF game is going to be like, you've just started to pretend RoF's BoS is going to be some great high tech marvel, with flightmodels better then il2 and CoD, with better and more detailed plane models, better modeling of aircraft components and subsystems with more complex damage models, better more detailed scenery, more objects on the ground and in the air, servers with more players online then the 90 now possible with CoD (yes you even missed the netcode was fixed lol), more detailed damage models for aircraft inside and external, better more realistic weather systems, better modeling of real time ww2 radar systems, better highly detailed low level scenery with moving grass/crops, extended clear visibility to the horizon,...... and..... and.......hang on, you dont REALLY believe that do you ?

and that about sums it up :)

tree and his little chums are cheering and squeaking in delight, and they dont even understand what giant step backwards this whole BoS will be, because from the start it is designed to be something very very different compared to the next gen SoW sturmovik series

il_corleone

12-15-2012, 03:55 PM

i dont think bom will be a Great Succes, the only thing that can move you to buy it , its because ROF is a succes, and there are no more modern ww2 sims whit russian theatre out there...

Fjordmonkey

12-15-2012, 04:04 PM

i think you might have missed the announcement, go read it and inform yourself.

BoS is essentially a spruced up RoF with a few ww2 aircraft and some new ground textures. they dont have the il2sturmovik flight model code, and most of the other aspects of what make a flightsim will be significantly inferior. its essentially the RoF ww2 sim the RoF group were already were working on, but its now funded by 1C and allowed to use the sturmovik name in return for a slice of the profits.

as was put earlier

and that about sums it up :)

tree and his little chums are cheering and squeaking in delight, and they dont even understand what giant step backwards this whole BoS will be, because from the start it is designed to be something very very different compared to the next gen SoW sturmovik series

I'll make it simple for you, then: If you don't like it, don't buy it. It is really that simple. And when it does come around, I'll take a look at it and then decide if I like it or not.

And you do seem extremely adamant in that BoS, a product you haven't seen, haven't played and haven't experienced, will be a giant step backwards. I find your attitude to be strange and so ass-backwards that I have a very hard time seeing the logic of it all.

furbs

12-15-2012, 04:33 PM

Zap, can you post a link where ive gloated over the death of COD, or squealed even a tiny bit of delight.

Im happy that the next sim will be made by 777 and 1C yes, but ive no made any post gloating the death of COD.

Cranky

12-15-2012, 06:38 PM

The thing is this Zappy, you claim that I didn't support CLOD, well I did, I paid the full retail price for it when it was released. You however have openly admitted here on these forums that you waited for CLOD to be in the 'crap rack' before you purchased it. Enough said.

Good to see the moderators are on top of the personal attacks, great work boys.

ElAurens

12-16-2012, 02:09 AM

Gents, why continue to argue?

Cliffs of Dover is now abandonware.

It doesnt' matter anymore.

He111

12-16-2012, 10:44 AM

Abandonware, you mean like old software everyones .. umm abandoned? In 12 months time, CLOD will probably still be the best WW2 sim, and the best BOB sim for many years to come.

I wish they'd abandon it in my direction ..

.

Red Dragon-DK

12-16-2012, 12:40 PM

Gents, why continue to argue?

Cliffs of Dover is now abandonware.

It doesnt' matter anymore.

You mean like DX9 games?

ElAurens

12-16-2012, 06:54 PM

Hold on here, I'm no fan boy of the RoF enigne, so don't pin that nonsense on me.

All I'm saying is that the developer has abandoned this title. Hence the term abandonware. NO more support, NO more updates, No more anything from 1C for it.

I'll still fly it, but, over time it will end up on the heap of forgotten games, with maybe a dozen or so folks still playing it.

And don't expect this forum to stay up forever either. 1C has placed their eggs in another basket. Continuing to support this "communtiy" will be counterproductive to their goal of making the new sim a success.

Not saying I like it, just facing reality.

JG52Krupi

12-16-2012, 07:16 PM

Ataros

12-16-2012, 07:35 PM

http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=162890&d=1355682357

Jaws2002

12-16-2012, 08:00 PM

http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=162890&d=1355682357

Exactly! There's plenty life left in that engine. We'll still play it years from now. There's no way a ROF team can get anything at that level in the next five years....unless they go back to the CLOD engine.

SlipBall

12-16-2012, 09:17 PM

Absolutely Jaws! Clod will live on for year's, nothing could come close in the next 3-4 years...when improve, they will all flock back to it.

WTE_Galway

12-16-2012, 09:30 PM

furbs

12-16-2012, 10:08 PM

I hope it does improve!

Feathered_IV

12-16-2012, 10:42 PM

Skoshi Tiger

12-17-2012, 01:51 AM

I think people are forgetting the (probably optimistic) expected release date for the (initially probably buggy) new sim is not this year or next year but in 2014.

Unless people are content, in the interim, to just play ROF and IL2_1946 and/or waste time stalking the new sim forums petulantly demanding updates and complaining about the color of the trees for the next year or two ... CoD will still have a bit of life in it yet.

I think it was very irresponsible of 1C/777 in opening up the new forum so soon. With nothing new to show us it was just an invitation to start arguments.

Maybe they should have waited until they had something concrete to show us like in game video's and screen shots. (I know they posted 4 on blue backgrounds. but didn't go to the trouble of arranging the views ).

Instead we will have arguments and flare ups because there is nothing else to do.

I got into ROF yesterday, and maybe I need to work on my settings because it was bland and lifeless.

I also managed to bounce on landing and put my SE5a on it's back! (yes I have been supporting them over the years by collecting aircraft as they have come available)

The sad thing was even though my Vickers gun (which is mounted on the cowling was rendered inoperative - the Lewis gun on the upper wing (buried under ground at this stage) still worked fine the rounds leaving the ground a few metres in front of the plane! Hey I even managed to reload it at one point!

Mention anything like this at the new forum and you get denounced a ROF hater and a get given a sermon by evangelistic ROF Fanatics! (I'm not sure if they've read the big "IL2 Sturmovik at the top of the page) The worst (In my opinion) is the sentiment of "It's only a game" and "entertainment title". The reason I fly CFS’s and spend hours on line and receive immense satisfaction from being awarded 0.2 of a kill is that in some very little way I get to appreciate what the veterans went through all those years ago. A ‘Game’ won’t cut it for me. I want to be working in a team using vaguely historic tactics in as lifelike a setting as possible.

With such wildly different expectations of what an IL2 title should be like there is no wonder that there are so many threads being locked.
Anyway, over at the new forum I tend to be biting my tongue a lot more than over here and ignoring a lot of one sided views.

They seem to be using the term "CloD Crowd" as a derogatory label. I for one am taking it as an honorific!

Doesn’t feel like home over there yet. I guess time will tell.

ElAurens

12-17-2012, 02:03 AM

The new forum is very reminiscent of the way things were/are at the SimHQ RoF forum. No criticism tolerated by the rabid fanboys.

Mention the dull/lifeless/sterile world of RoF and all you hear are distant crickets chirping. Bring up a question about the engine's ability to handle the large number of ground objects necessary in a modern WW2 ground engagement and prepare to be pummeled about the unnecessary details of the cockpits in CloD, and how good "our" Spad pit is.

I think you are right Skoshi, they should have waited till at least they could show some alpha footage of game play, or shots of the models that they have done, not the pics of the BoM Lagg that were imported into the RoF engine as a test.

Davy TASB

12-17-2012, 11:04 AM

Instead we will have arguments and flare ups because there is nothing else to do.

Dear god, is your life really that empty. :grin:

You can still keep playing Clod cant yer,, it's still there, nobody's taken it away from you have they?

Skoshi Tiger

12-17-2012, 01:20 PM

Dear god, is your life really that empty. :grin:

You can still keep playing Clod cant yer,, it's still there, nobody's taken it away from you have they?

I go to forums such as this to find out information about the sims I enjoy, not to listen to people whine or try to convince me that Black is White and White is Black and tell me that I can't have an opinion or express my concern because it's wrong. Why do you?

Without information relevant to the sim being released all there is opinion and hearsay and (as shown here before the 'news' and in the first few days at the new site) people trying to enbiggen themselves and put others down. It's counter productive to the community and bad for our hobby.

IMHO! (and that is just an opinion mind you ) They would have side tracked all the BS that went down on the new site by posting a Announcement and Developers Blog (with comments locked) Until we actually have something we can discuss.

Simple as that.

Davy TASB

12-17-2012, 02:05 PM

IMHO! (and that is just an opinion mind you ) They would have side tracked all the BS that went down on the new site by posting a Announcement and Developers Blog (with comments locked) Until we actually have something we can discuss.

Dont disagree with you on that after all you dont see a soap company putting an ad on the telly without showing the product. :grin:

Still think there would have been a lot of moaning and bitching though. Cant for the life of me understand why most of the time.
It happens on every forum in the universe though and is not exclusive to flight simmers.
No matter who makes this sim, someone will be moaning that the colour of the grass is wrong, the situation of the public conveniences outside Buckingham Palace is 1/2 an inch out, or that you cant actually die when you crash your plane.

Now wheres the bliddy Royal Mail with my Adolf Galland add on.