The Crystal Ball

[Mattius]

Moderation edit

Hi.

Welcome to the Crystal Ball Thread

In an attempt to tidy up and collate your posts regarding "when the next patch/update/new release due" and "general moaning and complaints" along with
other wonderful requests and ideas, I will move them into here.

It would be nice if you could make your postings in here so they are easier to find and read, and save me having to drag them over.

Have fun !!


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Luthier started to communicate regularly. So much negativity. Come on devs - GIVE? US AN UPDATE!! :confused:

[335th_GRAthos]

What on earth is this crap!

Luthier came with a new patch on the 24th of June, this is not even 7 days ago and you complain about lack of communication?????

What kind of childish behaviour is this?
Do you want somebody to hold your hand every second day?

Show some more maturity please, this is not serious what you are complaining about.

Besides, Luthier's job is #1 to fix the simulation, #2 to communicate regularly (at least until (if) he nominates somebody dedicated for this communication task).

So sit tight where you are, learn to use what you have, learn from the others who walked the way before you and sacrifice some of their time to post here in order for others to have an easier way forward and, enjoy the game!

And this is the nicest way I can communicate to you because I know that Alpha is somewhere near with his new bar of soap waiting to have a pass on my tongue... ;)

~S~

[skouras]

agreed
give them some room
there will be another patch soon:grin:

[Tree_UK]

What on earth is this crap!

Luthier came with a new patch on the 24th of June, this is not even 7 days ago and you complain about lack of communication?????

What kind of childish behaviour is this?
Do you want somebody to hold your hand every second day?

Show some more maturity please, this is not serious what you are complaining about.

Besides, Luthier's job is #1 to fix the simulation, #2 to communicate regularly (at least until (if) he nominates somebody dedicated for this communication task).

So sit tight where you are, learn to use what you have, learn from the others who walked the way before you and sacrifice some of their time to post here in order for others to have an easier way forward and, enjoy the game!

And this is the nicest way I can communicate to you because I know that Alpha is somewhere near with his new bar of soap waiting to have a pass on my tongue... ;)

~S~

Nice idea in theory, but personally im struggling to learn about what i got without having any sound, i have tried flying about with the theme music to 'The Battle Of Britian' blasting out in the background but I fear I will wear the record out before the sound fix is here in several(ish) months time. And its not too good for my relationship, my girlfriend is German and they dont have the same nostalgic feeling towards this part of history as we Brits do. Please help!

[Tiger27]

Nice idea in theory, but personally im struggling to learn about what i got without having any sound, i have tried flying about with the theme music to 'The Battle Of Britian' blasting out in the background but I fear I will wear the record out before the sound fix is here in several(ish) months time. And its not too good for my relationship, my girlfriend is German and they dont have the same nostalgic feeling towards this part of history as we Brits do. Please help!

First bit of advice, 'don't mention the war' :mrgreen:

[Redroach]

What on earth is this crap!

Luthier came with a new patch on the 24th of June, this is not even 7 days ago and you complain about lack of communication?????



While the patch has fixed some things (no doubt about that), the radio comm "fix" was the last straw for me. How on earth could a thinking being believe that it can substitute the old, absolutely un-implemented radio command lists for 2(!) 'patched' commands, both of which actually do almost nothing, intrinsically, and get away with it? In addition, it's still buggy and no one even seems to bother to shuffle some tables around to bring some order into the menu. I consider this a personal insult to my intelligence - I hate to say those words, which are well worn out, but this is a genuine 'slap in the face', if there ever was one.
Hell, it was enthusiastically announced that "most, if not all AI commands" will work as of the recent patch. Slap. Ouch. And while we're still sitting around luthier in a semi-circle and listen to his wonderous promises, full of respect and admiration, I still lose half the squadron when I'm the leader and I'm attempting to land (due to AI reacting to more pronounced movement, flying into the ground etc.)
But thank god we have a new online lobby to enjoy the MP sound bug more. Yay!

The game is dead. They may be writing things, they may even try hard to 'fix' things for some time to come, but... yeah, you've witnessed it all. It's over. And I despise Team Maddox for throwing such great potential, which I looked forward to for some time, straight into the trashcan (can't even imagine the reason for their modus operandi except inability...). No Battle of Moscow Add-on for me.

[roadczar]

Nice idea in theory, but personally im struggling to learn about what i got without having any sound...

Quit your whining - you have a new battleship! :cool:
I'm done with this thing for a while.... :evil:

[Blackdog_kt]

While the patch has fixed some things (no doubt about that), the radio comm "fix" was the last straw for me. How on earth could a thinking being believe that it can substitute the old, absolutely un-implemented radio command lists for 2(!) 'patched' commands, both of which actually do almost nothing, intrinsically, and get away with it? In addition, it's still buggy and no one even seems to bother to shuffle some tables around to bring some order into the menu. I consider this a personal insult to my intelligence - I hate to say those words, which are well worn out, but this is a genuine 'slap in the face', if there ever was one.
Hell, it was enthusiastically announced that "most, if not all AI commands" will work as of the recent patch. Slap. Ouch. And while we're still sitting around luthier in a semi-circle and listen to his wonderous promises, full of respect and admiration, I still lose half the squadron when I'm the leader and I'm attempting to land (due to AI reacting to more pronounced movement, flying into the ground etc.)
But thank god we have a new online lobby to enjoy the MP sound bug more. Yay!

The game is dead. They may be writing things, they may even try hard to 'fix' things for some time to come, but... yeah, you've witnessed it all. It's over. And I despise Team Maddox for throwing such great potential, which I looked forward to for some time, straight into the trashcan (can't even imagine the reason for their modus operandi except inability...). No Battle of Moscow Add-on for me.

You're perfectly entitled to your own opinion. Just don't expect everyone else to share it, especially it the game works for what they want to do.

Also, honest question and i'm not being a smartypants, what are you doing here (unless you don't like being slapped in the face)? Find something else to do if it stresses you so much and no, we don't need you to tell us about it afterwards in an effort to "rub it in" ;)

What i'm trying to say is, people have a different taste and different expectations, so the amount of compromise they are willing to display also varies. I certainly got exactly what i expected and since it runs ok for me since a couple of patches ago i have no reason to complain much, i'll wait it out.

[Boandlgramer]

First bit of advice, 'don't mention the war' :mrgreen:

Why not ?
BTW: which war do you mean ? The war that end all wars or the hundreds after ? :)

[skarden]

The game is dead. They may be writing things, they may even try hard to 'fix' things for some time to come, but... yeah, you've witnessed it all. It's over. And I despise Team Maddox for throwing such great potential, which I looked forward to for some time, straight into the trashcan (can't even imagine the reason for their modus operandi except inability...). No Battle of Moscow Add-on for me.

What an absolute load of crap,you Despise team Maddox? really,despise?? sheesh get over it,go outside or get a hobby out doors perhaps,I don't know but save your disgust for those who truly deserve it.

[Superluminal_8]

Why not ?
BTW: which war do you mean ? The war that end all wars or the hundreds after ? :)

It´s from Fawlty towers, a British sitcom from 1975. Highly recommend to see it.

[Tiger27]

Why not ?
BTW: which war do you mean ? The war that end all wars or the hundreds after ? :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IngEMj4krpA&feature=related

Or if you dont have time for the whole thing

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VgUyShpuhk&feature=related

[Redroach]

ok, I'll retract that and substitute with "disapprove of". Being no native english speaker, my dictionary says something along the line of "to think little of". But I realize it may have other, stronger meanings.

@Blackdog: I'm not completely sure. Maybe I'm whining after a great, missed opportunity. As I said, the potential of CoD is just awesome and that's what still bothers me in a way.

[mazex]

Why not ?
BTW: which war do you mean ? The war that end all wars or the hundreds after ? :)

Another one that has missed Fawlty Towers...

EDIT: I noticed I'm no 2 with the Cleese ref...

[Strike]

Afaik Luthier said he'd stick to friday updates (patch or no patch). I can't figure out a legit argument for whining about updates until tomorrow adound 5pm local. Enjoy what I have, will enjoy it more in the future :)

[Blackdog_kt]

@Blackdog: I'm not completely sure. Maybe I'm whining after a great, missed opportunity. As I said, the potential of CoD is just awesome and that's what still bothers me in a way.

Well, i can certainly understand that, although your messages usually give a different kind of impression. Maybe it's a language barrier thing and you just come off the wrong way, i don't know, but it's certainly possible (i'm not a native speaker either).

Anyway, no hard feelings. If i were in your shoes i'd just forget about it and check up on it later on. There's enough people here collecting bug reports and helping get a "list of what needs to be included" for the developer team and many can make their case in a calm manner (so we avoid flames and stick to the subject), so you don't need to worry that if you take a break nobody will annoy them to fix the sim :-P

I mean, i'm one of the most positively minded people around here and i've still come up with a half a dozen page list of immediate bug fixes and future feature ideas. I just have a little more luck than others getting my point across, thanks to using softer words. It's not only the message that counts, it's the delivery as well ;)

[Bewolf]

I dunno. Yeah, there are lots of bugs, some are almost game killers. The FMs are still porked, the coms are a joke, the campaign is non existant, all what we have is the core game. That, however, is so great its almost painful not not use it at times.

Anyways, Maddox games is woking on it, and that is what it comes down to. They may have different priorities then what I wish them to do first, they may not be as "in" the community as I personally wished for, either, but they are "working".

Compare that to some other sims like Silent Hunter V, where after Patch 1.3 nothing came in anymore, and that despite an even greater chaos.

I give up on this Sim only once the Devs give up.

[carguy_]

In addition, it's still buggy and no one even seems to bother to shuffle some tables around to bring some order into the menu. I consider this a personal insult to my intelligence - I hate to say those words, which are well worn out, but this is a genuine 'slap in the face', if there ever was one.

What intelligence?! You kidding? You are stupid enough to go bragging about this game even if you don`t play it. Yeah, a slap in the face with a friggin video game. Where`s that lawsuit you keep talking about, genius?


Hell, it was enthusiastically announced that "most, if not all AI commands" will work as of the recent patch. Slap. Ouch. And while we're still sitting around luthier in a semi-circle and listen to his wonderous promises, full of respect and admiration, I still lose half the squadron when I'm the leader and I'm attempting to land (due to AI reacting to more pronounced movement, flying into the ground etc.)
But thank god we have a new online lobby to enjoy the MP sound bug more. Yay!

That is your take on the facts. I keep enjoying the game in ~3 hour sessions in sp regardless. Doesn`t bother me because I ACTUALLY HAVE OTHER, MORE SERIOUS PROBLEMS TO THINK ABOUT. You`re whining as if it was the end of the world but NEWS FLASH it isn`t! If you can`t find anything enjoyable about this game, whining won`t help you (which you WOULD have figured out if you were intelligent).


The game is dead. They may be writing things, they may even try hard to 'fix' things for some time to come, but... yeah, you've witnessed it all. It's over. And I despise Team Maddox for throwing such great potential, which I looked forward to for some time, straight into the trashcan (can't even imagine the reason for their modus operandi except inability...). No Battle of Moscow Add-on for me.

Ok. It is dead. Now when you put it that way, it is all over for you. Time to find another video game to have a reason to sit in front of your pc all day. Don`t let the door hit you on the way out.

One whiner down, handfull to go.

[JG52Krupi]

Calm down carguy, I feel your anguish and I know how frustrating it is to try to talk common sense to people that don't or unwilling to have any.

They even have started to wind up blackdog and GRAthos with there nonsense and myself more than once I thinks it's about time we all learnt how to use the great ignore feature of this forum.

We KNOW that this game will be a classic just remember that, in the future you can decide to either rub it in these fools faces or take the high road and forgive them for there dazzling idiocy.

[Rattlehead]

Nearly all these threads end up like a dog chasing it's own tail. Tiresome.

[zorlac]

i like it

[335th_GRExandas]

By visiting often servers in cod 1 think I can say learn to appreciate the game
by learning to master one of the models included and the game will mature more and more every day by the devs.

Or BE A NOOB AND WINE LIKE ONE !!

[tintifaxl]

I've shelved the game for the time being.

Arma2 and DCS: A10 are such strong competition I just don't want to spend more time with CloD, atm.

Steam shows 47 hours game time, that's not too shabby, so I'll not say I didn't get my 34 EURs worth out of it, even if it will never get fixed (what I don't believe).

[Boandlgramer]

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Thanks alot Tiger .
You saved my day.
That´s outstanding. John Cleese is one of the best.
He looks so seriously, but he is so extremly funny.
Maybe thats the reason for his great success.

And that Major and the foreign servant in this clip :D , Falling almost from my chair . :D

[Megahurt]

After patching and playing and doing some mission designing and really trying to force myself to overlook the cattelog of bugs and missing and broken features, i have to say im pretty darn frustrated.
I finally got it to run half decently by turning off the trees so it wouldnt lock up every 20 minutes and talked a friend into also buying it.
We setup a multiplayer game and the planes were lime green.

Is this turkey ever going to get fixed?

So sad they soiled IL2's good name. Reminds me of Flashpoint 2. Use a fantastic title to slog a mediocre substandard piece of unfinnished garbage on once loyal customers.

Just had to say it.

Has anybody got the texture problem in multiplayer and is there a fix?

[robtek]

Do you really believe that such a rant will result in useful answers?

At least you could post your system specs, if you want help and are not posting just to vent.

[ATAG_Snapper]

From your Oct 21 post below it looks like there are four things working against you:

1) dual core CPU
2) 3 gigs ram
3) Win XP
4) ATI 4600 card

Not your fault, I'm sure most, if not all, current games run fine on your system. CoD's code has not been optimised (yet), so it is very demanding on CPU, GPU, and memory for both to run well. Tweaking helps, as you found by turning off trees. But I've found in running Task Manager and EVGA Precision on a 2nd monitor while playing Cliffs of Dover that this sim is a real resource hog in all areas.

Others here with systems similar to yours will hopefully jump in to to make suggestions on how to further tweak your PC and or game settings so you get a decent looking display that runs stably for you.



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Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 9
Crashes
Well, I bought another gig of ram, xp only sees three Gs, and i played for an hour today before it crashed.
I have to say i really like this sim. I hope they get this launcher.exe crash fixed. The latest patch has made things worse.
I am thinking of going to windows 7, and adding more ram, but from what im reading here, it seems others are having the same problem with W7 and lots more ram than i have.
Any ideas out there?



3 gig dual core with 3 gigs ram and ati 4600 1 gig vcard.

[katdogfizzow]

I like your investigative work there snapper. Now we know op is insane for thinking this sim would work on his ancient rig. Yeah, the fix is get a new rig.

[NedLynch]

Look, Win7 64 bit OEM version is going to help a lot.
Microsoft dropped support for xp a while ago, I can only recommend going to win7. XP used to be the staple for reliability and stability, but it has seen it's better days by now for sure.
I am absolutely serious, by yourself a new HDD and install win7. I know it is a pain having to reinstall everything you have so far on your HDD, but I am certain in the end you will be happy you did it.

[GF_Mastiff]

probably one of these guys like my friend; why buy a new, until it dies.

He refuses to buy a newer machine, cause there is nothing wrong with it. and it should run every software under the sun, because it's a computer.

and he paid $399. dollars for it and it should work like xbox. lol

[hiro]

yep total user error on this one


its a given that you need a more than just an awesome system to even look at this game, like flight sims and joysticks go together like babies and pacifiers . . .


also don't just upgrade your system, get a new one loaded up bells and whistles with lots of meat and bones . . . and with Win 7 . . . don't fall for the sales ninja, "I'll throw in vista and office 2010 for 50 bucks works just like win 7 . . ."

[CaptainDoggles]

Windows XP is a 10 year old operating system.

That's like using Windows 95 in 2005. :eek:

[albx]

Windows XP is a 10 year old operating system.

That's like using Windows 95 in 2005. :eek:

So now the problem is Windows XP and not the game at all???

I like how you guys move the problems to something else...

[CWMV]

So what, you think a new game should be designed for an obsolete, dare I say dinosaur of an OS?
Really, what's more laughable than that?
Next try running you Chevy cavalier at the indy 500...

[Baron]

Try playing Battlefield 3 on that rig and see what happens, or Metro 2033, or Crysis, or Microsoft flight, or ......?


Not everything is CloD`s fault.

[machoo]

Why do people expect computers / hardware +5 years old to run things properly with todays games. If the latest games could be run back then i'm sure they would have.

[pupo162]

Try playing Battlefield 3 on that rig and see what happens, or Metro 2033, or Crysis, or Microsoft flight, or ......?


Not everything is CloD`s fault.

dont go down that route since i can play those games fine and clod wont get a decent performance by all means

[tk471138]

So what, you think a new game should be designed for an obsolete, dare I say dinosaur of an OS?
Really, what's more laughable than that?
Next try running you Chevy cavalier at the indy 500...

so i guess cuz xp is a dinosaur OS and win Vista is newer OS it should automatically be better and all users should have migrated towards Vista cuz Xp is a dinosaur....sorry just cuz XP is a dinosaur dosent mean it is no good....the only thing XP might not do as well is handle new technology...up untill recently most games wouldnt even use more than 2 cores properly...although i agree that the user was a bit foolhardy thinking it would run on his system...

[mazex]

When I run the game in DirectX 9 I get half the frame rate and nasty artifacts... They really should drop the Dx9 support which seems to be the problem to get running well for them. Others like DCS A-10 that run on Dx9 does it great but in this case I feel that they are wasting their resources on that... It may be that there are more people in Russia still on XP so they would loose to much potential customers there?

Anyway, if XP would have gotten Dx10 and 11 I'm pretty sure it would have outperformed Windows 7 with a percent or two in titles that are not heavily multithreaded (which few are). Less HAL and other stability improving stuff is always good for raw performance...

[albx]

So what, you think a new game should be designed for an obsolete, dare I say dinosaur of an OS?
Really, what's more laughable than that?
Next try running you Chevy cavalier at the indy 500...

you don't have any knowledge how an OS works. :rolleyes:

[albx]

Try playing Battlefield 3 on that rig and see what happens, or Metro 2033, or Crysis, or Microsoft flight, or ......?


Not everything is CloD`s fault.

ah... I see, you already have MS flight? :rolleyes:

please... do me a favor... stop defending CoD

[Triggaaar]

I've not been reading too much here for a while, waiting for the game to be in a better state, and just a bit surprised to read this:CoD's code has not been optimised (yet)Is that true? I thought they'd been trying to optimise it since the epilepsy debacle, have they said that there's a lot more optimising to do?

[flyingblind]

Must admit I am slightly bemused by the epilepsy thing. A few months ago they were saying anti-epilepsy measures were an absolute must for legal reasons despite massive performance hit. Then it was made optional with the ability to disable it - which of course everyone did. And now it has to be disabled because of the psychodelic colour effects.

[ATAG_Snapper]

So now the problem is Windows XP and not the game at all???

I like how you guys move the problems to something else...

I didn't say that. Please don't put words in my mouth that I did not say.

[albx]

I didn't say that. Please don't put words in my mouth that I did not say.

Snapper, I quoted captain not you :grin:

[katdogfizzow]

So now the problem is Windows XP and not the game at all???

I like how you guys move the problems to something else...

No the problem is everything op has on his desk including xp.

[ATAG_Snapper]

I've not been reading too much here for a while, waiting for the game to be in a better state, and just a bit surprised to read this:Is that true? I thought they'd been trying to optimise it since the epilepsy debacle, have they said that there's a lot more optimising to do?

Yep. According to Ilya's (Luthier's) last post to this forum the recoding should result in 50% increase in performance or better.

[ATAG_Snapper]

Snapper, I quoted captain not you :grin:

Rgr, thx.

[ATAG_Snapper]

To OP: A large part of your problem is the 32-bit OS, this game is a huge memory hog, with a bad memory leak. Guys with 8 and 12GB RAM are still getting crashes as the memory fills up. Your OS only allows 3.2GB RAM, and reserves almost 2GB for the OS, when your remaining 1GB RAM fills up, you will crash.

That's been my finding as well with my system. I fly the ATAG server and find I usually can fly/respawn/fly for an hour or two uninterrupted. Last night I got a CTD (launcher.exe error) after about one hour of play. The night before no crashes after approx 1.5 hrs of play before I called it quits for the night. Per your note above, it wouldn't surprise me that a 32-bit low-gig system only manages 20 minutes or so before The Big Crunch. (and it only seems to happen when you've finally saddled up behind someone and are about to mete out swift justice!)

[MD_Titus]

spies whine thread

checks join date

reads whine thread

shakes head

[MD_Titus]

I've not been reading too much here for a while, waiting for the game to be in a better state, and just a bit surprised to read this:Is that true? I thought they'd been trying to optimise it since the epilepsy debacle, have they said that there's a lot more optimising to do?

apparently the graphics engine is being worked on for the next patch, a forecast of 50% increase in fps


Can't blame the OP completely, the minimum specs on the box were pretty misleading. People do tend to think of systems that are "equivalent" of a minimum spec machine as still being passable.

they should say what settings you'll be able to use with the minmum specs really. with a screenshot of the settings and what the game will look like.

ftr my rig is far from stellar, but the game became playable when i went from xp with 4gb to win7 and 6gb, and that was back in may.

[bongodriver]

sacrificing pretty for stable

sounds like my love life.....

[albx]

apparently the graphics engine is being worked on for the next patch, a forecast of 50% increase in fps




they should say what settings you'll be able to use with the minmum specs really. with a screenshot of the settings and what the game will look like.

ftr my rig is far from stellar, but the game became playable when i went from xp with 4gb to win7 and 6gb, and that was back in may.

hhmmmm... we lost about 10% or 15% in performance with the latest patches, so maybe we will gain a 35% or 40%?? :grin:
seriously... the game before the patch was almost playable with not so many stutters and fps drops, really, but with the latest patch we got a great freaking awesome sound, and fps drop when dogfighting (well, for me is this). It will be amazing if we can have a smooth game when we fight

[addman]

i wonder how much they are going to tone down the graphics (again!) to achieve this 50% increase. I'm not willing to sacrifice anymore. This game was stunningly beautiful when it first came out, but we've been sacrificing pretty for stable lately.

sounds like my love life.....

hahahahahaaa!!!

[MD_Titus]

a pretty but unplayable game is worthless though. stable and a bit plain, with scaleable features for the more fortunate amongst us, is far more desireable on the whole

[Pudfark]

@OP,

What folks are saying is this:
You must fully optimize your hardware and OS,
to play this un-optimized sim, at your own additional
expense on lower settings, in order to be a member of
their club.

Look at my system spec's below....really, all I'm supposed
to do is spend 12x the price of this game, for the recommended
GTX 580, so I can play it with stutters....Yeah, right.

If, your only reason for an upgrade is this game?
Save your money, until it is optimized. I am.

[BigC208]

Megahurt, If feel your pain. I had a 5 year old system looking much like yours. Could not play for more than 5 minutes before getting ctd's. Few weeks ago I pulled the triggrer on a I2500K and GTX570 upgrade for around $1000. No more CTD's and have everything maxed out. Game is dropdead gorgeous. Last night I set up a 40 vs 40 dogfight over Calais and had between 50-60fps.

You can do two things. Wait another 6 months untill they have dumbded down the program to the point where you can run it on a 7 year old P4. Option 2 is spend $700-$1000 and play it today in all it's glory. I screwed around with this turd long enough only to see guys post that it runs great on a good system. I got a good system and this heap of steaming dung suddenly turned into chocolate pudding! Spend the dough, it's worth it. If you cannot afford it, put the game away and come back in 6 to 12 months. 1C has put the minimum requirements for this game way below where it should have been. Lots of pissed off customers. Sure it runs with the minimum requirements, have you seen what the game at it's lowest setting looks like?Chuck Yeagers Air Combat from 1992!

You can get an I2500k, motherboard and 8 gigs of ram for $350. Slap a radeon 6970 or gtx570 in for another $350 and you're good to go hunt over the Channel. Add another $100 for Windows. That's $800 between you and the best WWII flight sim experience ever.

[TomcatViP]

I wonder how much they are going to tone down the graphics (AGAIN!) to achieve this 50% increase. I'm not willing to sacrifice anymore. This game was stunningly beautiful when it first came out, but we've been sacrificing pretty for stable lately.

+1

I also hve the intuition that the more they will limit the modded skins, the less graphics reworking they will hve to do.

[Chivas]

New flight sims have always required high end systems to run effectively, COD especially as it had to be released before it was finished and optimized. I've never had a problem with COD other than the bugs, and unfinished features. Unfortunately its going to take time before this is all sorted, especially when they are redoing major componants of the sim. In the mean time I'm enjoying what the sim has to offer now and looking forward to further updates. We have to stay somewhat positive as being totaly negative will only guarantee the sim never gets finished.

Regarding Operating systems....I have a dual boot system with Windows XP and Windows 7 64bit installed. I run the game primarily on Windows 7 64 bit, but have tried it on Windows XP. It was like it was two different games, even with all hardware being the same. I highly recommend using Windows 7 64 bit.

[albx]

New flight sims have always required high end systems to run effectively, COD especially as it had to be released before it was finished and optimized. I've never had a problem with COD other than the bugs, and unfinished features. Unfortunately its going to take time before this is all sorted, especially when they are redoing major componants of the sim. In the mean time I'm enjoying what the sim has to offer now and looking forward to further updates. We have to stay somewhat positive as being totaly negative will only guarantee the sim never gets finished.

I want be negative

[Chivas]

I want be negative

Thats been obvious for sometime, but I'm not sure what purpose you serve other than to drive away as many potential new buyers as possible. Everyone here who owns the game already knows about the many problems, so your only stating the obvious to them. Most people understand that the developers are still trying to fix the game, unlike all the other developers like Microsoft, Rowan, Gaijen, etc who dropped their developments not long after release.

[albx]

Thats been obvious for sometime, but I'm not sure what purpose you serve other than to drive away as many potential new buyers as possible. Everyone here who owns the game already knows about the many problems, so your only stating the obvious to them. Most people understand that the developers are still trying to fix the game, unlike all the other developers like Microsoft, Rowan, Gaijen, etc who dropped their developments not long after release.

this is not my problem, I'm expressing my opinion, so only because it's different from yours this doesn't mean you are right and I'm wrong

P.S.
stop with personal attacks against me like in the other thread, if you have some problems you can write me a PM

Forgot to add that the developers you mentioned didn't sold a beta full of bugs as a working title.

[bongodriver]

I'm expressing my opinion, so only because it's different from yours this doesn't mean you are right and I'm wrong

This needs to become the 1C forum motto

[albx]

This needs to become the 1C forum motto

Impossible, you'll never see this day :grin:

[Triggaaar]

Yep. According to Ilya's (Luthier's) last post to this forum the recoding should result in 50% increase in performance or better.That would be good. But how much are they supposed to be recoding? They can't do it all, and I thought they'd already tried to do it before.

[Triggaaar]

apparently the graphics engine is being worked on for the next patch, a forecast of 50% increase in fpsAmazing if it happens.

[addman]

this is not my problem, I'm expressing my opinion, so only because it's different from yours this doesn't mean you are right and I'm wrong.

Holy crap! why can't I formulate myself this simple? This should be the universal rule of these boards.

[addman]

Amazing if it happens.

Honestly, I'd be happy with like 20% but hey! I'll take "at least 50%" any day of the week! :grin:

[Chivas]

this is not my problem, I'm expressing my opinion, so only because it's different from yours this doesn't mean you are right and I'm wrong

P.S.
stop with personal attacks against me like in the other thread, if you have some problems you can write me a PM

Forgot to add that the developers you mentioned didn't sold a beta full of bugs as a working title.

If your going give personal attacks don't whine about having to take them.

[ATAG_Snapper]

That would be good. But how much are they supposed to be recoding? They can't do it all, and I thought they'd already tried to do it before.

Good questions to which none of us have the answer. :(. The intrigue builds....... LOL

[ATAG_Dutch]

Honestly, I'd be happy with like 20% but hey! I'll take "at least 50%" any day of the week! :grin:

Yeah, but then they'll introduce the proper weather, and we'll be back to 20fps.:rolleyes:;)

[Insuber]

Quote:
sacrificing pretty for stable
sounds like my love life.....

ROTFL! Excellent one, Bongo!

[LOPAN]

I am big fan of the original IL-2 series and have recently acquired CoD. When it comes to WWII FM these guys are the best, in CoD I was expecting the highest standards possible after so many years in the making and all of the experience acquired in previous years.

BUT I see a game which excel in FM realism and is laden with all kinds of glitches and flaws in other areas.

1 - I was playing the British campaign and had to down a bomber, did it, it fell at the middle of the ocean, but it didn't sink, instead it got floating around, and because of that the game engine didn't recognize it as shot down, and the only thing I could do is restart the mission and hope for it not to "land" on the ocean again.

2 - The campaign is completely dull and static, I inadvertently clicked NEW instead of CONTINUE, the game didn't warn me about losing any data (what kind of UI is that?) and lost all my progress. Then I went to the directories to see how the game stored data, I noticed it stored all the campaign progress with a single integer number. I was hoping to see a dramatic campaign with cutscenes and all whistles and bells, whereas any action you take would have effect in the next mission. But all there is, are texts with a lot of typos (the narrative is good BTW).

3 - In the campaign each pilot has its callsign, the game doesn't inform you anywhere what is your callsign, I had to just guess I was supposed to be "Luton 3".

4 - The mirror doesn't work, all static. The game has been out for some time now and still you have to manually disable it every time? Also, there is a huge frame rate drop when this mirror is on (like 10-12fps).

SUGGESTION: You could make an autoexec which would run at the start of every mission, then the player could set the keys to be "pressed automatically", like disabling mirror, magnetos position, fuel cock etc.

5 - When you select the comms, the screen at the top right gets all cluttered with the status messages and comms mixed, I can't read anything.

6 - The graphics, comparing to "Wings of Prey", I can run it at 60fps constantly and the graphics look noticeable more beautiful and detailed, while in CoD I get around 30-45fps.

Guys, please take my critics as positive as possible, I think it is a great game, I just want to help you address some issues and make it the best thing ever. And sorry for my english.

(I love campaigns, don't play in MP BTW)

[Nicolo]

All this has been said more then a hundred times here and I believe most of us agree with you Lopan.
But when I got this game in august, I spent many hours just flying around and enjoyed a lot. Besides the bugs and unfriendly UI, I had fun with the campaign as well. Perhaps because I'm a newbie and just dealing with CEM and reading this forum was a lot more then I could handle.
Single player at this moment is not much fun indeed, but there were lots of more pressing issues to be solved. The users here have been asking a lot for AI and comms, so for the next patches we hope to get some new life for single player.
There are some user made campaigns you may find interesting, just do some search here in the forum and you will find the links.
If you can, give it a try in MP, the community is very friendly and always willing to help.

[CWMV]

What funny is that the FM's are probably the moat bugged thing in the game! Lol!
Even worse than the abysmal stock IL2 FM's.
Well...maybe not that bad. Agreed though that the offline part of the game is unplayable with the current comms and Ai issues.

[Nicolo]

Yes, but I believe he was talking about the FM's "feeling". Just fly around in CloD is much more fun then IL 1946 because of the handling, the weight it suggests.

[Robert]

IL2 4.01 was a good FM.


Other than that I think BoB:Wings of Victory has had superior FMs.

[katdogfizzow]

Patience people. Patience

[LOPAN]

Well, I have never flown a WWII plane nor anything else so I believe I am not the right person to talk about FMs.

I play combat Sims casually since Chuck Yeager's Air Combat, and IMO IL-2 has the most realistic handling I've ever seen (or what I think it might be) . But that's just my opinion, I'm not an expert or anything.

The campaign is indeed fun, but after all this years have passed and a full-budget price, I was expecting many more features, something revolutionary I might say.

And thanks for the tip, I'll give a try in these user made campaings too.

[LOPAN]

This is just what happened:

I was playing again this mission where you have to shot down a single He 115 to see if maybe I'm lucky this time.

I shot the bomber, it fell in 90º towards the ocean and then it bounced on the water like a basketball ball and then it just stays there motionlessly forever. And worst of all, as I said, I can't finish the mission because the game doesn't recognize it as a plane shot down. That's the 4th time.

Nowadays I constantly find myself, most of the time as I play games, worrying about design flaws, bugs, glitches and poor concept rather than having fun itself.

I'm getting tremendously disappointed lately that I'm thinking of selling my gaming rig and just buy a simple office desktop.

[theOden]

Don't sell Lopan :)
If you're not as keen on looks and graphics liks most here, try a real simulator game like Falcon BMS.
I'm sure you'll enjoy your spare time unlike now.

There are rather many e-pilots that bought Dover in the early days only to find themselves sitting there in the pit asking themselves "Why am I flying here?" - good looks but not much of a simulator game.

It's never too late to give up :D haha.

[Insuber]

Yeah, but then they'll introduce the proper weather, and we'll be back to 20fps.:rolleyes:;)

Yeah, and with tree collisions we'll be back to 3fps ... :D

[addman]

Yeah, but then they'll introduce the proper weather, and we'll be back to 20fps.:rolleyes:;)

Yeah, and with tree collisions we'll be back to 3fps ... :D

Throw the epilepsy filter on too and we've got ourselves a fancy looking powerpoint presentation.

[Osprey]

Patience is what is required. Luthier has things now moving in the right direction.

[Whiski]

I enjoy this game immensely, from the scenery to the white knuckle turn and burn fights at low or high altitude. It has bugs, sure, but I have no problem looking past them because the game developers are now moving in the right direction.

Most of us are familiar with IL2 series. I played that game from release and it was pretty buggy when it hit the shelves. But, the dev's did got it right over time as well as help from the sim community.

I have yet to encounter a game that was released with a perfect state and not need further development in patches or fixes.

We will see this game bloom in the next few months, things are moving along, slowly, but nothing good comes fast.

Cheers!

Whiskey

[Rowddy]

all we needed.. another whinner about the same subjects you can read in many other post. I play COD and i have little to no problems so how can that be? Maybe you should check the specs of your PC before complaining? s for planes bounces off the water.. lol seems to me that your PC can handle the game. I grand you this the Offline campaigns are crap but even for that you can download very decent add-ons these days, and the Dev's realy try hard to improve the game.

So if you don't like don't play it!

S!

[senseispcc]

You need a very powerfull PC and a lot of patience then you can enjoy one of the best game, note this "game", of the time.

I love thuis game and I am waiting for future developements, modules or addons. Have a fun game.:evil:

[335th_GRAthos]

Hi Lopan,

Good to know that withthe bomber into the sea. I have been shooting bombers over the chanel in MP, I have to check more whether I also get credited for the kill.

Some tips in case they are of help:
"You could make an autoexec which would run at the start of every mission, then the player could set the keys to be "pressed automatically", like disabling mirror, magnetos position, fuel cock etc."
Actually your Joystick coud have such "macros" which you could write.


"When you select the comms, the screen at the top right gets all cluttered with the status messages and comms mixed, I can't read anything."
You could make more "info windows" place them at different areas of the screen and with different font color. This makes thing easier.
Keep Alt pressed and click with the mouse on the window. Right click to see the options and start experimenting. Many posibilities on the way to have a window be shown and the information that should appear in it.
Important: Learn to create a new window and practise using the new window; Leave your original window unchanged until you feel you canmaster the creating windows process well enough to make permanent changes! (many people post in the forum first time "I have lost all my information, how do I bring it back again? ;) )


In the hope that it may be of use.

Happy flying!

~S~

[klem]

Much as I feel the pain of the XP users if you're getting 3fps and even an eventual CTD you're doing better than my attempts to run it in XP.

I'm only doing it out of curiosity to see what the min specs would deliver but on both my old boxes it won't even start, just the cross hairs then back to desktop.

Box1 AMD 3800+/2Gb/7800GT/XP/Dx9
Box2 P4 dual core 3GHz/2Gb/6600/XP/Dx9

I know the GPUs probably wont run it but it should at least get me to the game menus.

Frankly if getting it running on XP with Dx9 is going to mean destroying its basic qualities for Win7/Dx10-11 users I'd rather they just declared XP unsuitable, bit the bullet on refunds and got on with it.

[MadBlaster]

In testing a while back, I averaged ~56 fps on the tiger moth test track with XP and an unsupported DX10 8600GT 256 mb video card using the DX9 parameter in the confi.ini and only 2GB of ram. My cpu is AMD dual core 3.0 Ghz. That was before the patches. I posted the pic somewhere in a RAAAID thread. So, it does run better than 3 fps XP, even with unsupported hardware and minimal ram.;)

People are in denial on this game so they blame XP. Case in point. Look at Tuckie's video with 50 some odd planes in the air in offline test. He has a latest system. There is obvious stuttering and he had to tone down the graphics to get it playable. Now I remind you, the game advertised 128 player online capability. Ask yourself, "how it that going to happen?" Everyone would have to tone down the graphics settings to bare minimum on their latest hardware systems? I don't know about you, but when I start getting lag stutters online, I'm out of there. So, it's just a dream this CLoD. All the crazy things people are willing to do here to get the game to function. It's admirable, but not rational. And telling people to throw money at this game is nonsense right now. Just wait until they fix it so we know what we are dealing with. Every patch so far seems to change the game radically. If luthier announces that fps may improve by 50%, then wait and see if it is the truth or not before doing anything. JMHO.:!:

[pupo162]

In testing a while back, I averaged ~56 fps on the tiger moth test track with XP and an unsupported DX10 8600GT 256 mb video card using the DX9 parameter in the confi.ini and only 2GB of ram. My cpu is AMD dual core 3.0 Ghz. That was before the patches. I posted the pic somewhere in a RAAAID thread. So, it does run better than 3 fps XP, even with unsupported hardware and minimal ram.;)

People are in denial on this game so they blame XP. Case in point. Look at Tuckie's video with 50 some odd planes in the air in offline test. He has a latest system. There is obvious stuttering and he had to tone down the graphics to get it playable. Now I remind you, the game advertised 128 player online capability. Ask yourself, "how it that going to happen?" Everyone would have to tone down the graphics settings to bare minimum on their latest hardware systems? I don't know about you, but when I start getting lag stutters online, I'm out of there. So, it's just a dream this CLoD. All the crazy things people are willing to do here to get the game to function. It's admirable, but not rational. And telling people to throw money at this game is nonsense right now. Just wait until they fix it so we know what we are dealing with. Every patch so far seems to change the game radically. If luthier announces that fps may improve by 50%, then wait and see if it is the truth or not before doing anything. JMHO.:!:



stuttering has issues with stuff not related to graphics. i still have stutters with all graphics set to low if i go near a plane.

[Pudfark]

In testing a while back, I averaged ~56 fps on the tiger moth test track with XP and an unsupported DX10 8600GT 256 mb video card using the DX9 parameter in the confi.ini and only 2GB of ram. My cpu is AMD dual core 3.0 Ghz. That was before the patches. I posted the pic somewhere in a RAAAID thread. So, it does run better than 3 fps XP, even with unsupported hardware and minimal ram.;)

People are in denial on this game so they blame XP. Case in point. Look at Tuckie's video with 50 some odd planes in the air in offline test. He has a latest system. There is obvious stuttering and he had to tone down the graphics to get it playable. Now I remind you, the game advertised 128 player online capability. Ask yourself, "how it that going to happen?" Everyone would have to tone down the graphics settings to bare minimum on their latest hardware systems? I don't know about you, but when I start getting lag stutters online, I'm out of there. So, it's just a dream this CLoD. All the crazy things people are willing to do here to get the game to function. It's admirable, but not rational. And telling people to throw money at this game is nonsense right now. Just wait until they fix it so we know what we are dealing with. Every patch so far seems to change the game radically. If luthier announces that fps may improve by 50%, then wait and see if it is the truth or not before doing anything. JMHO.:!:

I completely agree with your second paragraph. :cool:

[addman]

In testing a while back, I averaged ~56 fps on the tiger moth test track with XP and an unsupported DX10 8600GT 256 mb video card using the DX9 parameter in the confi.ini and only 2GB of ram. My cpu is AMD dual core 3.0 Ghz. That was before the patches. I posted the pic somewhere in a RAAAID thread. So, it does run better than 3 fps XP, even with unsupported hardware and minimal ram.;)

People are in denial on this game so they blame XP. Case in point. Look at Tuckie's video with 50 some odd planes in the air in offline test. He has a latest system. There is obvious stuttering and he had to tone down the graphics to get it playable. Now I remind you, the game advertised 128 player online capability. Ask yourself, "how it that going to happen?" Everyone would have to tone down the graphics settings to bare minimum on their latest hardware systems? I don't know about you, but when I start getting lag stutters online, I'm out of there. So, it's just a dream this CLoD. All the crazy things people are willing to do here to get the game to function. It's admirable, but not rational. And telling people to throw money at this game is nonsense right now. Just wait until they fix it so we know what we are dealing with. Every patch so far seems to change the game radically. If luthier announces that fps may improve by 50%, then wait and see if it is the truth or not before doing anything. JMHO.:!:


I'm gonna go ahead and agree with this post right here, totally. I love the people on this forum that blames the bad performance on anything and their grandmothers and not a bit on the game itself. Guys with nuclear power plant rigs that makes even NASA envious have performance issues with this game. Then you hear the cries "oh but Battlefield 3 (for example) is not as advanced as this super sim". I say to these people, put Battlefield 3 on Ultra settings and CloD on the highest settings on your rig then tell me which looks more technically advanced and which performs better.

Still loving CloD for what it is though but I wish some people would wake up and smell the coffee....it's quite burnt by now.:rolleyes:

[ATAG_Snapper]

Well, it seems clear. If anyone comes on here and asks how to get CoD to run on his system the answer should be "You can't. The game is porked, so shelve it and come back in 6 months to see if any patches have fixed it. But probably not, so just go away. Period."

Meanwhile, the rest of us that CAN get CoD to run well will stop wasting our time trying to assist those who can't and convince ourselves that we're not enjoying this sim immensely.

Not sure why, in this case, that this forum has any reason to exist any further -- but there you have it.

[addman]

Well, it seems clear. If anyone comes on here and asks how to get CoD to run on his system the answer should be "You can't. The game is porked, so shelve it and come back in 6 months to see if any patches have fixed it. But probably not, so just go away. Period."

Meanwhile, the rest of us that CAN get CoD to run well will stop wasting our time trying to assist those who can't and convince ourselves that we're not enjoying this sim immensely.

Not sure why, in this case, that this forum has any reason to exist any further -- but there you have it.

Of course you can tweak the game to a certain degree of playability and that should be encouraged. CloD right out of the box without any tweaking is a performance nightmare but this can be improved by very simple means. Don't fool yourself though, this is a game with performance issues and as I said before, I still enjoy the game for what it is and it's going to get even better. :)

Also, I loooove all the placebo fixes people come up with here, RAM cleaners, pagefiles etc. Being a network technician by trade it's almost cute reading about it all.:)

[Lant]

Currently the Ju-88 has a higher rollrate then a Hurricane :grin::grin:

[Lant]

The community is full of idiotic fanboys.


"WHAT YOU ONLY HAVE SIX GIGS OF RAM??? LOL UPDATE YOUR RIG BEFORE YOU BLAME THE GAME!!!!"

[MadBlaster]

$8 million dollar slush fund goes a long way with certain fanboys.:-P

(just a little joke):grin:

[robtek]

I think the only "idiotic" thing is to seperate our community in haters and fanboys!

I still believe that we all want this sim to become the gem that already appears from time to time.

To blame everything on the hardware is as stupid as blaming everything on the software!

But to promote systems from the past is definitely a dead end, imo.

[robtek]

And that is wrong?

[nearmiss]

There is no reason to rag and rant about the BOB COD any longer.

It is what is is, and most of us have reasoned it out.

It will be fixed when it is fixed. If you don't have the right system spec you definitely won't be doing much with it for now.

Maybe when more issues are worked out the devs will have time to try to resolve some issues for lower lever systems.

So... this thread is locked and you that want to rant and wail need to take it elsewhere...

The COD is working adequately for many users with upgraded system.


Robtek... the separate community seems to be pointing more towards the banned and unbanned.
Those that persist will join the former (banned) with their persistent negative talk.

[JG5_emil]

up to the last beta I was quite happy with CLOD but after the patch I am gutted. It is almost unplayable. Stutters and I meen big ones, memory leaks which means restarting the game after 20 or 30 minutes.

[LoBiSoMeM]

Yes, but I believe he was talking about the FM's "feeling". Just fly around in CloD is much more fun then IL 1946 because of the handling, the weight it suggests.

Some believe that a Flight Model is just top speed, climb rate, etc...

Um bando de prego, Nicolo, é assim mesmo! :-P

[LOPAN]

This is what happened in the mission following that of the He 115:

Intercept some 109s coming from the channel, you take off as usual, and then the leader keeps flying in circles forever around the airfield waiting for all the planes to gather in formation. We finally can go to intercept over the channel, when we are halfway, the 109s inexplicably turn back and return to their base. As the Hurricane is slower than the 109, there is nothing that can be done. My squadron follow the waypoints normally and nothing happens, then mission ends and you get a "battle failure" and I realize I wasted my time for the 3rd time flying to nowhere.

And sometimes you get out of the nothing something like "AI in 109 died". Its squadron was alone in the middle of the ocean.

[TRIK]

mp all the way why battle against the stupid a.i as u say when u have real pilots all in the same crate morealess
and on atag and a few other servers u can battle both the dumb a.i and real pilots ....

MP ALL THE WAY M8

[justme262]

Seriously don't even bother with the stock campaigns.

If you want to play offline then download The Enlightened Florists Dynamic campaign. much better.

BUT really the big revolutionary step you were looking for is the online multiplayer. The ATAG server has an ongoing war with bomber formations to attack and defend and ships and airfields to strike. Plus the off line AI is never going to be as challenging an opponent as a real person. No matter how much time and effort they put into it.

[Pudfark]

I dredged this old thread up...just so folks could remember the names...of others, that they don't see here anymore.

Also, so folks would know how much things have changed...
What lies ahead....?

[Kongo-Otto]

I dredged this old thread up...just so folks could remember the names...of others, that they don't see here anymore.


*zynism on*
So how long will you stay in this forum, tomorrow not counted?
*zynism off* ;)

[Mattius]

I still think they will soon give up supporting this half finished mess of a potentially amazing Flight Sim. :sad:

[Kongo-Otto]

I still think they will soon give up supporting this half finished mess of a potentially amazing Flight Sim. :sad:

Aaah ok and why are you thinking this?

[robtek]

Because his glass is always half empty, i'd say.

[Mattius]

Aaah ok and why are you thinking this?

Because they do not keep us informed!

[Kongo-Otto]

Because they do not keep us informed!

Thas all? because they didn't keep us informed?
Well for me its more important to get patches which fix the things.
I dont need some pie in the sky from Luthier or anybody from 1c.
And patches we had and patches are still to come, so i cant really understand your oppinion, sorry.

[Chivas]

The last patch was two weeks ago so I would hardly call it "no support". Infact its far more support than we've seen from most other WW2 aircombat sims developers. Its still quite possible that support will be dropped if the bugs and missing features aren't sorted out by the next theater release. If things do get sorted then the sim will start earning its keep with the next five or so theaters etc.

[Rather peeved]

Just to add my voice. It would be nice to have some more regular communication if you are reading Luthier.

we all hope the best for this sim, but it's getting increasingly hard to keep the faith.

[Skoshi Tiger]

Just to add my voice. It would be nice to have some more regular communication if you are reading Luthier.

we all hope the best for this sim, but it's getting increasingly hard to keep the faith.

I'm not sure faith is what you think it is. Jesus hasn't given us an upadate in 2011 years! ;)


Cheers

[swiss]

Because his glass is always half empty, i'd say.

Know the difference between a pessimist and an optimist?
A pessimist thinks things can't be any worse - an optimist knows they can.

[albx]

Know the difference between a pessimist and an optimist?
A pessimist thinks things can't be any worse - an optimist knows they can.

What was fixed and what broke the last patch? the horizontal blue lines are back, they were there in the beta and they kept it in the official patch, why? impossible to fix? and what about the FPS? worse and worse every patch... colors toned and sound fixed (it's still beta as said by Ilya). Many here said this would be the "definitive patch", but this proved they were wrong (most fanboys said we were only whining and moaning and that the patch already released would improve the game) that's not for me sorry... the game is getting worse, and my glass is not half empty... is almost empty.

[retrojet]

I'm not sure faith is what you think it is. Jesus hasn't given us an upadate in 2011 years! ;)


Cheers

:lol:
Now that's funny... I don't care who you are!!!
Thanks Skoshi Tiger...

[reflected]

Hi Folks,

Don't get me wrong, I don't mean to be whining or anythig. It's just that CloD has been gathering dust on my shelf for a while after the unplayable release. Now it's kinda playable but there's a long way to go. I'm too lazy to read through 100s of threads, so would anyone please tell me what the status is of the following problems? Are they working on it? Is there a fix already that I missed?

i7-920, GTX470 (newest drivers), 6G RAM, Win7 64 here.

Performance:
- I get a decent FPS, 30 on the ground, and 50 up high, that's plenty enough. But:
- wheel dust, and mg hit smoke puffs give me a massive FPS drop. (from 35 to 5)
- When flying low, the "movement" of trees and houses is stuttery, jerky, not smooth at all (I have trees and buildings on medium, building detail = very low)
-The trees and shadows shimmer like hell. They vibrate and give me a headache.
- Anti Aliasing - it doesn't work. I've tried to force it in the Nvidia CP, or leave it to app controlled, nothing. The edges are jaggy and they shimmer like the aforementioned trees.
- Control surfaces and cockpit controls move at 3 FPS. Very disillusioning.
- What happened to the cool new terrain of the beta patch? I installed the official one and it's back to the cartoon world.
- Clouds: no overcast weather ,jsut a few old il2 cotton candy puffs, still they're a big FPS hit. why?
- Why is it so utterly impossible to spot other planes? This is a first, and I've been playing sims for 15 years.

FM
- A "start with warm engine" option would be nice. It's annoying to sit there for 3 minutes to warm up your engine. It's not historical either, I believe.
-Force feedback coems and goes, for instance when you fire your mg-s in a 109 you lose stick forces. It happens randomly in Spits.
- FFB is not very detailed either, it's OK in the air, but when you roll you feel no vibration whatsoever, no feeling that you're rolling, but a few jerks and that's all. IT's far fro mbeing up to today's standards (or even yesterday's)
- What's with wind vs. rudder? In 109s you can't even turn on the ground, or counter the effect of the wind with full rudder. You spawn and start turning no matter what. So unrealistic..
- You can't collide with trees?! Some people use that as a defensive maneuver online, they hide in the bushes. Joking, right?

AI
- It's a disaster. They either fly straight like sitting ducks or the start a long series of rolls or scissors at the rate of an F16 or a UFO.
- Radio comms don't work, the whole Biggin Hill wing crashes in formation when I land, no matter what I tell them to do.
-Radio chatter is inaudible and crappy. More artificial than in games released before 2000.

With such a long list of glaring bugs I don't see any feedback fro mthe devs, all I see is about 3D support. (why not detailed seagulls? :P )

Rant over. :) Thanks in advance for the info, and the tips and hints.

Greg

PS: I'm really gald they gave us a CSP Spit Mk1 and a 109 E-4 though!

[pupo162]

- A "start with warm engine" option would be nice. It's annoying to sit there for 3 minutes to warm up your engine. It's not historical either, I believe.

dispite the fact that i agree with you, a 3 minutes engine warm up its really not that bad. And i dont know statistic historicly. but the "have the mechanic start the engine 5 minutes before, was a practice for scramble missions, wichs wast the only mission pilots flew.

If you were out for a patrol sortie i think the pilot would start up by himself.

[addman]

The last patch was two weeks ago so I would hardly call it "no support". Infact its far more support than we've seen from most other WW2 aircombat sims developers. Its still quite possible that support will be dropped if the bugs and missing features aren't sorted out by the next theater release. If things do get sorted then the sim will start earning its keep with the next five or so theaters etc.

I'd say that will be the case, bugs or no bugs left. :(

"And here’s where we are in terms of plans. We obviously remain hard at work on the series. We will continue to improve the game up until the eventual release of its sequel."

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=27146

[JG52Krupi]

I thought you could choose warm engines?

Also these aircraft are hard to turn because they are tail draggers they have poor ground handling. Update they are reworking ground physics.

AA does work but only for close objects kind of pathetic for a flight sim ;), but they are going to implement new aa software.

Ground colours are a tough subject at first I preferred the previous ones like you but now I am waiting for the dynamic weather to be installed before I jump to conclusions as I reckon that's why they made them a bit lighter.

[Dano]

The warm engine thing would not just be nice to have, it's a requirement when you're flying campaign missions. How is it at all realistic that everybody else in the flight (who are all lined up behind you) has a warmed engine and you don't?

If everybody started from the hangers and had to warm up then it'd be fine, but in conjunction with the shipped campaigns it's a joke.

[He111]

(ignore)

please delete mod.

ta.

[Qpassa]

you should overclock

[reflected]

you should overclock

Yeah, like that would solve all the aforementioned bugs. Sorry, but I won't overclock.

[JG52Krupi]

Yeah, like that would solve all the aforementioned bugs. Sorry, but I won't overclock.

Yeah, I wouldn't bother either my overclock doesn't give me a boost anymore so I turned it off.

[reflected]

Yeah, I wouldn't bother either my overclock doesn't give me a boost anymore so I turned it off.

As a friend of mine said, overclocking for a better performance in CloD is like getting new tyres on your VW transporter to cross the Atlantic :D

[JG52Krupi]

As a friend of mine said, overclocking for a better performance in CloD is like getting new tyres on your VW transporter to cross the Atlantic :D

Lmao, brilliant!

[FFCW_Urizen]

The warm engine thing would not just be nice to have, it's a requirement when you're flying campaign missions. How is it at all realistic that everybody else in the flight (who are all lined up behind you) has a warmed engine and you don't?

If everybody started from the hangers and had to warm up then it'd be fine, but in conjunction with the shipped campaigns it's a joke.

The engine isn´t warmed up, they take off cold. Just activate the automatic pilot and see for yourself ;) .

[Dano]

The engine isn´t warmed up, they take off cold. Just activate the automatic pilot and see for yourself ;) .

So how are they able to go from cold to running the engine at full power for takeoff?

[ATAG_Snapper]

So how are they able to go from cold to running the engine at full power for takeoff?

By switching over to AI it emulates that the engines have been warmed up already. This is in Single Player only. In Multi Player you have to sit and cringe in your cockpit as the 109's strafe your airfield while you impatiently wait for the temps to rise. :)

[Tavingon]

Dust / Smoke does need to be fixed... the firing cannons on the bf110 is like shooting a time beam which slows down space and time

[Dano]

By switching over to AI it emulates that the engines have been warmed up already. This is in Single Player only. In Multi Player you have to sit and cringe in your cockpit as the 109's strafe your airfield while you impatiently wait for the temps to rise. :)

Which just returns us to the original complaint. There needs to be a pre-warmed engine option for offline flights.

[JG53Frankyboy]

if you ever warmed up any of the radial engined planes in CoD , you want that option for every kind of gameplay......

[David198502]

do one have to warm up the engine of the 109 as well?
i ask this, because i often took off imediately after starting the engine, and no problems occured...

[Flanker35M]

S!

I take my time to warm up the DB engines on 109/110. Maybe not needed, but just for the fun of it and meanwhile adjusting flaps, trim etc. for take-off.

[David198502]

S!

I take my time to warm up the DB engines on 109/110. Maybe not needed, but just for the fun of it and meanwhile adjusting flaps, trim etc. for take-off.

like i do most of the time

[Tvrdi]

The first and most important fix is proper optimisation of the game engine....Everything else is less important....

[jg27_mc]

The first and most important fix is proper optimisation of the game engine....Everything else is less important....

Amen!

[reflected]

I agree Tvrdi. Most of the items in my list are related to performance anyway.

So are there any official promises for any of these items? Any blog posts about them?

[Tvrdi]

I agree Tvrdi. Most of the items in my list are related to performance anyway.

So are there any official promises for any of these items? Any blog posts about them?


this:



3. Performance. We are in final stages of testing a thorough overhaul of the game’s graphic engine. It won’t look any different but it will be much more streamlined. It’s too early to say what the FPS increase will be in the final version, but it shouldn’t be less than 50%.

But we will see what will be....

[reflected]

That sounds very promising, let's hope he didn't exagerate.

[FFCW_Urizen]

50% overall performance improvement sounds nice, but i wouldn´t bet on it. Maybe they got 50% on min fps, but i doubt that they are able to get an improvement of 50% in average and max fps.

[Tvrdi]

When ROF was released it stuttered badly on my rig...it was unplayable....today its super fast and smooth....we will see how the things will be with CLOD....fingers crossed

[JG52Uther]

RoF is 2 years old, CoD is less than a year. Was RoF great at 6-7 months? I came much later to it. Maybe CoD should be compared with RoF at the same age.

[reflected]

Yes, RoF set a really good example there, and I can only hope that CloD will go the same way.

[CaptainDoggles]

Hello Luthier and other developers,

It's been 2 weeks since we last heard from you. Can we have an update please? Even if it's just "Hi guys, we're still working on the patch"?

Please and thank you.

[addman]

It's Friday tomorrow, maybe then...but I wouldn't hold my breath.:)

[Dano]

Here we go again...

[Pudfark]

No worries Doggles....cheesed__k will be along soon...to hand out your obligatory scolding....:rolleyes:

[Chivas]

I doubt we will hear anything for atleast a week or two considering Luthiers last statement:

" I won’t put an ETA on any specific feature at this point. We will go through the same general process as before: internal testing first, then open external testing, and then finally the release. Generally, releases should follow at about the same pace as they have with the current patch."

[Tavingon]

Agreed, a quick thumbs up, much like a christmas card from a friend to show theyre still alive would be good

[adonys]

I don't even care anymore a this point, I have Skyrim :P

[Ctrl E]

Wouldn't kill em to drop in and say hello

[Qpassa]

Im a bit worried about Clod

[JG52Krupi]

We know what they are doing why do we need them to hold our hand and check our temperature....

[Winger]

I don't even care anymore a this point, I have Skyrim :P

Already? I thought its not out yet.?

Winger

[Qpassa]

Leak in XBOX 360

[machoo]

The SDK would kick things along very nicely if it's easy enough to use. As a casual flight simmer not alot holds my interest with this at the moment. It's all pretty stale.

[Winger]

Does Skyrim rock? Or suck?

Winger

[snwkill]

I don't whine very often, and I have great fun playing online... But a 3 month wait and test will not do with the CTD's we are all experiencing. Having to restart the game, after every sortie, is a total immersion killer.

So if there is ever a time to update the clan here the time is now... Just an update if you guys know what is causing the memory leak and if this will be a hotfix or if we will have to wait until the next beta patch.

If Luthier has and I haven't correctly used my search function please do point me in the right direction.

[JG52Krupi]

Agreed, these CTD are killing us surely you can release a hot fix to remove the memory leak?

[Tavingon]

An update would b neice

[SEE]

Totally agree.....it wasn't happening in the Beta, some sort of hotfix should be a matter of priority.

[Insuber]

Totally agree.....it wasn't happening in the Beta, some sort of hotfix should be a matter of priority.

I was thinking exactly the same: a quick hotfix should be a priority of devs, maybe with a message explaining that they are working to fix this bug ... but communication to paying customers is not by all evidence a priority for Luthier and team.

[snwkill]

I am actually pretty understanding about not being updated every time a new idea pops inside their head... Everything has been coming along nicely, but this mem leak is definitely no joy.

Any of you multi-lingual guys seen anything on the non-english forums? I notice they tend to associate with the forum a bit more over there... But I really don't have the time or patience to goog translate my way through it.


On the lighter side... I am not sure if it is the patch or the way ATAG has their server set up but the viewing distance is a HUGE improvement. I was going up to 4-5K and easily was spotting aircraft 2k below me. That has never happened before, and in the process of getting high I was finally able to get my FIRST kill online.

Instead of hugging the deck, after every dogfight I was climbing for the stars looking for my next opportunity. I definitely finally felt the strength of being able to have plenty of potential E make a difference in my longevity... Of course this was only ruined by a game freeze and a force alt+ctrl+del...

[Pudfark]

It's not a "memory leak"....it's a "senior moment"...;)

[Mattius]

I for one am very annoyed having paid £60 for collectors edition. This lame excuse for a finished game crashes now quite a lot, (which it did'nt do before!!), and the lack of commuication & inproved updates is nothing short of scandalous. :(

[Qpassa]

read first page of the manual, lol
Well I' m also expecting a reply, a new or something

[ATAG_Bliss]

On the lighter side... I am not sure if it is the patch or the way ATAG has their server set up but the viewing distance is a HUGE improvement. I was going up to 4-5K and easily was spotting aircraft 2k below me. That has never happened before, and in the process of getting high I was finally able to get my FIRST kill online.

Instead of hugging the deck, after every dogfight I was climbing for the stars looking for my next opportunity. I definitely finally felt the strength of being able to have plenty of potential E make a difference in my longevity... Of course this was only ruined by a game freeze and a force alt+ctrl+del...

Yes, we changed the viewing distance. It's way to difficult, not to mention unrealistic at the default level.

Congrats on your 1st online kill :-)

[Flanker35M]

S!

And even view range is longer on ATAG you still can sneak past the "furball of death" and attack other targets :)

[GOA_Potenz]

S!

And even view range is longer on ATAG you still can sneak past the "furball of death" and attack other targets :)

furball of death where is that in ATAG???

[albx]

read first page of the manual, lol
Well I' m also expecting a reply, a new or something

First page of the manual? you mean page 7 :rolleyes:


Finally, don’t forget that the main reason our flight sims have been so popular is
our close-knit friendly community.We also love to interact with the community and
keep everyone up to date on our development progress.

Ilya Shevchenko
Lead Development Producer



http://lnx.ginevra2000.it/Disney/favole1/clippinocchionose.gif

[adonys]

Yes, we changed the viewing distance. It's way to difficult, not to mention unrealistic at the default level.

Congrats on your 1st online kill :-)

which are the current settings mate, please?

[IvanK]

furball of death where is that in ATAG???

Hawkinge of course :)

[FFCW_Urizen]

either directly over hawkinge or a bit south, just follow the yellow noses :P

[snwkill]

Yes, we changed the viewing distance. It's way to difficult, not to mention unrealistic at the default level.

Congrats on your 1st online kill :-)

Thank you Sir... Well whatever you have it set to, it works very well. Much better than default!

[reflected]

How did you guys adjsut the viewing distance? It's very unrealistic in the current game, you can't spot anything unless it's within 1 km and level. I know it shouldn't be easy eaither, but now it's insanely difficult.
So what did you do?

[mcdaniels]

I just had to smile, when i read that:

Finally, don’t forget that the main reason our flight sims have been so popular is
our close-knit friendly community.We also love to interact with the community and
keep everyone up to date on our development progress.

Ilya Shevchenko
Lead Development Producer

Its a common problem, that companies are telling about the great customercare and if it breaks down to some problems, the customer gets kicked in the ......

But! Although we got no respond at this moment, I don't think that the support is bad here.

No question, it is annoying to spend about Eur 60,- for a Sim in Alphastate (at the releasedate).

Today I really like CloD, knowing that it will be a long road to finally fly without problems...

BTW: How many developers have hands on Clod?

Greetings!

[Qpassa]

this thread must not fall

[hc_wolf]

Had a day off work cause I worked through the prior night. I then played on the ATAG server for about 12 hours straight.

ATAG_Bliss and the guys...Great job. Love the online server. I think i ended up with about 12.66 all up. I only had to restart about 4 times due to Crashes.

Common Crash online I have noticed

A) Cockpit dissapears and you are just frozen mid air while you can see the other planes flying round. Press ESC, and select new plane and fly. This happens a few minutes after damage on takeoff.

b) Crash to Desk top. Just after kill and the enemy plane either dissapears or impacts into ground.

I fly full graphics and my PC hoots. Love IL2 COD... it will only get better and better

[Tavingon]

Whats going on, can someone examine the rus forums?

[smink1701]

Don't you think? I do.:)

[ingsoc84]

I agree..I need to know if I can keep my current graphic card..if the fps kicks up..or if I must update it...there goes another 500 if I have to..

[satchenko]

Update please:!::!::!::!::!::!:

[Rather peeved]

Yes please. We were promised regular communication and interaction with the developers. please lets not chalk that up to another broken promise.

[Tree_UK]

Im sure the Community manager will be addressing all your concerns. :grin:

[JG52Krupi]

im sure the community manager will be addressing all your concerns. :grin:

omg trees back!

[JG52Uther]

Looking at Adonys' thread, the timeline is right for an update shortly...

[ATAG_Doc]

Might I suggest with Christmas on the horizon upgrade your hardware might be on your list. :-)

[Tree_UK]

Another 4 months and CLOD will have been out a year and it still needs fixing. Thats got to be a record.

[No145_Hatter]

In another 4 years and four months it will have been out for five years. Not just that, but 9 months ago it wasn't out at all!

It all adds up!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHxHQ00uvcc

[JG52Uther]

In another 4 years and four months it will have been out for five years. Not just that, but 9 months ago it wasn't out at all!

It all adds up!!

Its a conspiracy I tells ya!

[Timberwolf]

Would love to see a sound upgrade : Voices improved or a off option Alittle more base on the guns

Memory leak fix

And more help for the top end computers and video card guys ..i don't have ether. but why spend money on these if it fails anyways?

[Mad G]

omg trees back!

Great!!!He´s the man!
Also I would love to see this fokking stutters gone for good!

[6BL Bird-Dog]

[QUOTE=luthier;350181]Hi everyone,

The patch has gone up to steam. It should autoupdate your game version in a few hours once it propagates down to the world. As long as autoupdate is enabled in your steam (Library – Cliffs of Dover – RMB – Properties – Updates – Always keep this game up to date) you do not to take any further actions.

Patch notes can be found below.

And here’s where we are in terms of plans. We obviously remain hard at work on the series. We will continue to improve the game up until the eventual release of its sequel.
............................
I do hope the Dev team will continue to fix all the present faults within the game and at least add some allied defensive shipping if not making more of the aircraft flyable before the release of the sequel.
If this is not the case I for one Will Boycott any further releases and not purchase them until Cliffs of Dover has been fully fixed.

[katdogfizzow]

Its amazing how some of you are even able to even type

[6BL Bird-Dog]

Youre Pretty well up yourself katdogfizzow.

[ingsoc84]

must admit I love the game.but a bit hacked off that its not a finished product..and was released last april/march in the UK even more unfinished..I realize its a lot of work.effort...however the devs HAD to know this game would not run well on anything BUT a high end machine before they pushed it out..and certainly had years to polish this...maybe Im way off base..however..my system should run this game well...its way beyond the specs...yet..I still struggle....I would really like a very close to finished game for my money...that needs some polishing.not something that needs a total rework a year later......its misleading...I trusted the IL name...hope it matures into something much more noteworthy.

[SIDWULF]

[QUOTE=luthier;350181]Hi everyone,

The patch has gone up to steam. It should autoupdate your game version in a few hours once it propagates down to the world. As long as autoupdate is enabled in your steam (Library – Cliffs of Dover – RMB – Properties – Updates – Always keep this game up to date) you do not to take any further actions.

Patch notes can be found below.

And here’s where we are in terms of plans. We obviously remain hard at work on the series. We will continue to improve the game up until the eventual release of its sequel.
............................
I do hope the Dev team will continue to fix all the present faults within the game and at least add some allied defensive shipping if not making more of the aircraft flyable before the release of the sequel.
If this is not the case I for one Will Boycott any further releases and not purchase them until Cliffs of Dover has been fully fixed.

Well you dont need to boycott the sim. You could instead support the community and encourage others to buy the game so the devs can continue rolling out patches and new content.

[Quai1Ooth5d]

I was thinking exactly the same: a quick hotfix should be a priority of devs, maybe with a message explaining that they are working to fix this bug ... but communication to paying customers is not by all evidence a priority for Luthier and team.
http://forums.nichechoppers.com/image.php?u=4129&dateline=1292495981
http://www.bingertoday.info/huang2.jpg
http://www.bingertoday.info/huang3.jpg

[Insuber]

Or you can startup your own company and produce a decent WWII flight sim.

[Bewolf]

[QUOTE=luthier;350181]Hi everyone,

The patch has gone up to steam. It should autoupdate your game version in a few hours once it propagates down to the world. As long as autoupdate is enabled in your steam (Library – Cliffs of Dover – RMB – Properties – Updates – Always keep this game up to date) you do not to take any further actions.

Patch notes can be found below.

And here’s where we are in terms of plans. We obviously remain hard at work on the series. We will continue to improve the game up until the eventual release of its sequel.
............................
I do hope the Dev team will continue to fix all the present faults within the game and at least add some allied defensive shipping if not making more of the aircraft flyable before the release of the sequel.
If this is not the case I for one Will Boycott any further releases and not purchase them until Cliffs of Dover has been fully fixed.

Please boycott. That at least will keep you away from the forum. If it is not clear to you by now that the Maddox Games folks stick to their product, it never will, regular forum updates or not.

[6BL Bird-Dog]

I have supported the il2 series since the first release and am well aware that when Oleg Maddox was in control of the development team patches and improvements were continualy released until work was started on the Storm of War .
At that time the final iL2 series ending with 1946 was fully functional in all its features worked because of continued communication with the cummunity,much of it originaly on the Ubi Forums,and the subsequent patches released as a result.
Luthier in his post said:
`We will continue to improve the game up until the eventual release of its sequel.`
What do you not understand about this statement ?
I would be more than happy if his next update stated this was just an error in translation .
To assume that support will continue when we all assumed Cliffs of Dover release would be feature fully operational apart from a few bugs would be pretty nieve to say the least.

[albx]

[QUOTE=6BL Bird-Dog;359371]

Please boycott. That at least will keep you away from the forum. If it is not clear to you by now that the Maddox Games folks stick to their product, it never will, regular forum updates or not.

why he should stay away from the forum? does him bother you? are you the owner of this forum and you decide who should stay or should leave?

[Bewolf]

why he should stay away from the forum? does him bother you? are you the owner of this forum and you decide who should stay or should leave?

Yes, why should that be. Think about the history of this game and IL2 and the constant fixes and upgrades, read his post and come up with an answer to your questions yourself.

[bongodriver]

does him bother you?

well......yes, non constructive whining bothers most of us.

why he should stay away from the forum?

see above

are you the owner of this forum and you decide who should stay or should leave?

you know all those times people say if you don't like someones posts the just ignore or don't get involved etc? well it's like that....if you don't like ClOD or 1C or MG etc then just stay away and don't get involved.....non?

[KG26_Alpha]

Hi.

In an attempt to tidy up and collate your posts regarding "when the next patch is due" and other wonderful requests and ideas, I will move them into here.

It would be nice if you could make your postings in here so they are easier to find and read, and save me having to drag them over.

Have fun !!

[Foo'bar]

Please boycott. That at least will keep you away from the forum. If it is not clear to you by now that the Maddox Games folks stick to their product, it never will, regular forum updates or not.

True words :D

Ignore list updated ;)

[addman]

As stated by Luthier, CloD will be supported UNTIL the release of the new game so let's hope it's not released any time soon. Wow, never thought I'd say that about an upcoming MG installment.:(

[albx]

As stated by Luthier, CloD will be supported UNTIL the release of the new game so let's hope it's not released any time soon. Wow, never thought I'd say that about an upcoming MG installment.:(

seems we bought a deading game... fine...:evil:

[addman]

seems we bought a deading game... fine...:evil:

You have to take it in to perspective, some games are released even more broken and doesn't receive any patches or support. If this was the last patch I'd still be happy considering the hours of enjoyment that I've gotten out of it even though many hours have gone to tweaking the thing.

There's a feeling still of that this game could've been much much better that I guess will never really go away.

[6BL Bird-Dog]

The Oxford dictionary defines the meaning of until as up to the point in time or the event mentioned.
Oleg Maddox ran the iL2 Team before , Luither runs the Cliffs of Dover team now, so I would rather hear it from him that the game will continue to be worked on at least until all bugs,collision models,map errors etc are fixed & if it is neccesary after the release of the next sequel.
I will continue to post on this forum as I always have as the future potential of the game looks to be quite something .

[Tree_UK]

I don't know why we are getting our knickers in a twist over Luthiers words, they don't mean anything, he just randomly says stuff that he thinks you want to hear, 'community manager' for one, 'SLI is working' is another, '50% performance increase' lol. It's just mindless rhetoric with no substance. Luthiers words are cheap and so far his actions do not speak louder than them.

[CaptainDoggles]

I don't know why we are getting our knickers in a twist over Luthiers words, they don't mean anything, he just randomly says stuff that he thinks you want to hear, 'community manager' for one, 'SLI is working' is another, '50% performance increase' lol. It's just mindless rhetoric with no substance. Luthiers words are cheap and so far his actions do not speak louder than them.

Why do you come to these forums? Do you think you're helping?

[bongodriver]

Why do you come to these forums? Do you think you're helping?

Sadly he really does think so.

[Tree_UK]

Why do you come to these forums? Do you think you're helping?

lol, helping, Im just being realistic, the last thing we need on here is more BS.

[bongodriver]

Oh the irony

[Tree_UK]

Oh the irony

Really, perhaps you'd like to explain, if indeed you can? :grin: Do a poll, who as spoke more BS on this forums, my goodself or Luthier/ Oleg combo. The results would be interesting.

[Sven]

It is absolutely necessary for Luthier's team to work on the sequel and sell it as well. If they follow the previous ways, Cliffs of Dover can just be merged with the new title and ultimately come together in something like 1946.

This way the engine keeps getting updated and thus every step ahead in the new title performance wise is a step ahead in Cliffs of Dover. That's the way I see it. Luthier can't keep working on the series if there's no income. Is your purchase of Cliffs then in vain? No of course not, I am enjoying Cliffs of Dover right now and the money I spend on this will aid the continue of the series and Cliffs of Dover.

I agree with Tree in a way that things supposedly fixed in previous patches, but aren't, still need attention before the next release of the series.

But things like 'I won't buy another game from Maddox Games before Cliffs of Dover is fully fixed' is unreasonable and you're only helping yourself by destroying this already small market of flight sims. Rather you should invest in this series, if you truly like flying a WW2 simulator.

[Kupsised]

As stated by Luthier, CloD will be supported UNTIL the release of the new game so let's hope it's not released any time soon. Wow, never thought I'd say that about an upcoming MG installment.:(

Or it just means that the new game will just be an expansion (as well as a standalone), as with all previous Il2 sequels, and thus it and any patches or improvements made for it will also improve CloD. I don't mean to be harsh to anyone at all, but I think everyone is seriously overthinking what Luthier said. He probably said what he did so that everyone could see that they're still thinking about the future of the series since there's no reason for him to say 'by the way, soon we're not going to care about this game' as that would seriously harm sales. Even if that were the case if he has any business sense, which I'm almost certain he does else he wouldn't be managing the project, there's no reason for him to say it so he wouldn't as long as he wants to make money.

EDIT: Sven pretty much beat me to it :D

[StG2_Winni]

Why do you come to these forums? Do you think you're helping?

Maybe, because he paid for this game? Could that be a reason for you?

I for myself appreciate Tree's statements. They're open, honest and to the point. And I cannot say this about your post, because you're just flaming....

[ParaB]

But things like 'I won't buy another game from Maddox Games before Cliffs of Dover is fully fixed' is unreasonable and you're only helping yourself by destroying this already small market of flight sims.

It is unreasonable to expect a games developer to fix a broken product before I buy a new iteration of it? You got to be kidding me. Seriously.

[Sven]

Well then it's easily solved by not buying again from Maddox Games, then you ( 100 % guaranteed ) will never see any updates, ever again, for Cliffs of Dover because the team will go bankrupt.

As long as they can live on the money they made off Cliff's, they can support this game. When the money runs out, they can't. It's simple. That's why they're working on a sequel, they are flight sim enthusiast as well and I'm convinced they would love to see everything fixed.

If you would care to say something more about your reasoning then just 'Seriously' and 'You got to be kidding me' then perhaps we can understand each other better?

[Bewolf]

It is unreasonable to expect a games developer to fix a broken product before I buy a new iteration of it? You got to be kidding me. Seriously.

Yes, it is, because this a principle phrase, despite us all knowing that in this special case, once the sequel comes out both games will be merged and "improved" in the course of it.
It is as if there are only noobs posting on these forums who started playing Il2 only yesterday.

[StG2_Winni]

It is absolutely necessary for Luthier's team to work on the sequel and sell it as well. If they follow the previous ways, Cliffs of Dover can just be merged with the new title and ultimately come together in something like 1946.

This way the engine keeps getting updated and thus every step ahead in the new title performance wise is a step ahead in Cliffs of Dover. That's the way I see it. Luthier can't keep working on the series if there's no income. Is your purchase of Cliffs then in vain? No of course not, I am enjoying Cliffs of Dover right now and the money I spend on this will aid the continue of the series and Cliffs of Dover.

I agree with Tree in a way that things supposedly fixed in previous patches, but aren't, still need attention before the next release of the series.

But things like 'I won't buy another game from Maddox Games before Cliffs of Dover is fully fixed' is unreasonable and you're only helping yourself by destroying this already small market of flight sims. Rather you should invest in this series, if you truly like flying a WW2 simulator.

I agree with you, Sven!!! That's factual and convincing and let the more pessimistic people (even myself) think about it ;)

[6BL Bird-Dog]

It is unreasonable to expect a games developer to fix a broken product before I buy a new iteration of it? You got to be kidding me. Seriously.
Well said .

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Oh the irony
LOL! I was thinking the same when I read that!

[robtek]

Well said .

No, not "well said"!

It is perfectly reasonable to trust Maddox Games (correct, even if Luthier is bossing now) with their history, to deliver!

If they are able (moneywise) to do so!

[ACE-OF-ACES]

No, not "well said"!

It is perfectly reasonable to trust Maddox Games (correct, even if Luthier is bossing now) with their history, to deliver!
Agreed 100%!

I will admit, timeline wise I was worried about CoD upon release.. Based on how UBI had recently handled the Silent Hunter 5.0 sub sim.

My fear being UBI (distributor) had some control or say on how game updates were to be handled. My fear being UBI some how discontined the support for SH5 updates.

I now see UBI has very little to say about it (thus I owe UBI an apoligy) and that support really falls back onto the develper.

Knowing that, and what I know about the history of 1C, I am not worried at all about development of CoD

In summary, if 1C provides CoD 1/10th the support they gave IL-2, CoD will be just fine a few patches from now

[klem]

Are you guys still chewing over the same old cud?

Its got a bit stale in my mouth. No new arguments, points of view, ideas. Same old stuff. Same old names. Same old Trolls.

I have the game. I'm enjoying it very much. It will improve.

Anything new to talk about?

[JG52Krupi]

Are you guys still chewing over the same old cud?

Its got a bit stale in my mouth. No new arguments, points of view, ideas. Same old stuff. Same old names. Same old Trolls.

I have the game. I'm enjoying it very much. It will improve.

Anything new to talk about?

+1

And to answer your question no net yet, so back to the skins thread and multi-player area for me :D

[Tree_UK]

Same old crash to desk top........

[Rather peeved]

No, not "well said"!

It is perfectly reasonable to trust Maddox Games (correct, even if Luthier is bossing now) with their history, to deliver!

If they are able (moneywise) to do so!

disagree.

maddox games very much muddied their image with the release of CoD. many promises were made and hard questions ducked ahead of the release. many of these promises still have not been fullfilled.

as i've said. I want this game to succeed, but the lack of regular and honest communication puzzles me. why p#ss off a loyal customer base?

[nearmiss]

Really, perhaps you'd like to explain, if indeed you can? :grin: Do a poll, who as spoke more BS on this forums, my goodself or Luthier/ Oleg combo. The results would be interesting.

You just talk yourself into these things Tree... Luthier has 254 postings on this forums todate. Nov 8,2011 and you have posted 1,800 times.

I'd say anyone that has been around for a couple months doesn't need a poll to corroborate your BS levels exceed everyone on this forums.

[ACE-OF-ACES]

many promises were made and hard questions ducked ahead of the release. many of these promises still have not been fulfilled.
Does anyone have a list of these so called many promisees that were made and still not fulfilled?

I'm serious!

I keep seeing people make references to these 'many promisees' but have yet to see this mythical list!

If there are 'so many' than it should be a simple task for any of the whiners to post a dozen or so.. Right?

Unless this list is more myth than fact? Which is what I belive it to be!

I really think all you whiners should team up and produce this 'list'!

Why?

Because in doing so I truly belive even the hardest of hard core whiners would quickly realize just how short the list is!

Oh, and just so the effort is not in vain! Make sure the items your put on the list have some bases in reality!

That is to say make sure you can provide the reference and/or link to where these so called promises were made! Because you should know in advance that quoting he said she said they know someone who saw Oleg in line at star-bucks said so will not count as a valid promise! Also know that just talking about what might be done or could be done during the 5+ years of CoD development does not count as a promise either.

PS I know the hard core whiners will not take up the challenge!

Why?

Because they love to whine and taking up this task would take that joy away from them, so this goes out to the open minded whiners that may have just got caught up in the frenzy that is whining, but are willing to step back from the edge to see the light and maybe even start enjoying life a little

[robtek]

disagree.

maddox games very much muddied their image with the release of CoD. many promises were made and hard questions ducked ahead of the release. many of these promises still have not been fullfilled.

as i've said. I want this game to succeed, but the lack of regular and honest communication puzzles me. why p#ss off a loyal customer base?

If you where a "loyal customer", you've wouldn't have written that, as loyality includes patience and forgiveness!

[Tree_UK]

You just talk yourself into these things Tree... Luthier has 254 postings on this forums todate. Nov 8,2011 and you have posted 1,800 times.

I'd say anyone that has been around for a couple months doesn't need a poll to corroborate your BS levels exceed everyone on this forums.

Well lets put it to the test, you put a list up of all the BS i have stated and i will do the same with Luthier and Oleg. I do agree on one point though , with only 254 posts from luthier i also feel theres alot more BS to come.

[MoGas]

flightsims will and have always a development, there are NO flightsimulator out what is bug-free if you want, the budgets are in most cases low, team´s are small, compared to shooter games, and soo on.

if the trolls are not getting it, how such high fidelity SIM`s are been done, and what complicate physics are behind, sorry, you guys are just not old enough, plus, it is the rong community and forum where you guys troll around, check out the PS3 or X-box community, a free tip, they have the Tom Clancy`s H.A.W.K.S game too. Every time the same junk is getting up, beta testers from CoD and devs., know the main issues, and they will work on it as hard as they can.

again to the moderators here, you should remove them much earlier, it cant be, that this troll topics always are been there, from the same 3-5 users on this forum. I feel annoyed by this fact....:!:

[Tree_UK]

flightsims will and have always a development, there are NO flightsimulator out what is bug-free if you want, the budgets are in most cases low, team´s are small, compared to shooter games, and soo on.

if the trolls are not getting it, how such high fidelity SIM`s are been done, and what complicate physics are behind, sorry, you guys are just not old enough, plus, it is the rong community and forum where you guys troll around, check out the PS3 or X-box community, a free tip, they have the Tom Clancy`s H.A.W.K.S game too. Every time the same junk is getting up, beta testers from CoD and devs., know the main issues, and they will work on it as hard as they can.

again to the moderators here, you should remove them much earlier, it cant be, that this troll topics always are been there, from the same 3-5 users on this forum. I feel annoyed by this fact....:!:

lol.:grin::grin:

[Insuber]

Just to be fair, there are still one or two minor issues with this game ... :D

[KG26_Alpha]

flightsims will and have always a development, there are NO flightsimulator out what is bug-free if you want, the budgets are in most cases low, team´s are small, compared to shooter games, and soo on.

if the trolls are not getting it, how such high fidelity SIM`s are been done, and what complicate physics are behind, sorry, you guys are just not old enough, plus, it is the rong community and forum where you guys troll around, check out the PS3 or X-box community, a free tip, they have the Tom Clancy`s H.A.W.K.S game too. Every time the same junk is getting up, beta testers from CoD and devs., know the main issues, and they will work on it as hard as they can.

again to the moderators here, you should remove them much earlier, it cant be, that this troll topics always are been there, from the same 3-5 users on this forum. I feel annoyed by this fact....:!:

Yes but if they are here annoying the you and the devs,
they are not pestering people on a hairdressing/nail and beauty forum.





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[Vengeanze]

Weird. I've totally missed this thread till now. Luthier bashing and Tree and my pritty little AoA. A Vengeance made thread.

But haven't got anything to add but now my count is up by one. :-)

Wait, got something. For what other business would you accept the feedback frequencey of 1C? For what other product you've purchased that was in the same condition CloD was at 31 of March would you accept the response "we're working on it" and then not a word for weeks?

We need some parables so the peeps with their head up Luthiers...sleeve(?!) understand. Replace CloD and the support and feedback rate with...
- A new car
- Your new cable teve
- Your new telly
- Your new iPhone

Noone has managed to explain to me why I should accept more horse manure from 1C than I would accept from any other business/product.

[JG52Uther]

Weird. I've totally missed this thread till now. Luthier bashing and Tree and my pritty little AoA. A Vengeance made thread.

But haven't got anything to add but now my count is up by one. :-)

Wait, got something. For what other business would you accept the feedback frequencey of 1C? For what other product you've purchased that was in the same condition CloD was at 31 of March would you accept the response "we're working on it" and then not a word for weeks?

We need some parables so the peeps with their head up Luthiers...sleeve(?!) understand. Replace CloD and the support and feedback rate with...
- A new car
- Your new cable teve
- Your new telly
- Your new iPhone

Noone has managed to explain to me why I should accept more horse manure from 1C than I would accept from any other business/product.

Say what? If a product I buy cost hundreds or thousands of pounds, then I will complain mightily until it is working as advertised.
If I spend the price of CoD on a meal (depending where you bought it, from £5 to £60...) and it was not what I expected then I would complain about the meal, then leave the restaurant and not go back.I'm pretty sure if the restaurant had a forum I wouldn't spend the rest of my life on that forum complaining non stop... ;)
Its a cheap game, to while away a few hours of your time if you wish, not life and death.

[Vengeanze]

If I spend the price of CoD on a meal (depending where you bought it, from £5 to £60...) and it was not what I expected then I would complain about the meal, then leave the restaurant and not go back.I'm pretty sure if the restaurant had a forum I wouldn't spend the rest of my life on that forum complaining non stop... ;)
Hehe. Fun. :grin:

[Foo'bar]

If I spend the price of CoD on a meal (depending where you bought it, from £5 to £60...) and it was not what I expected then I would complain about the meal, then leave the restaurant and not go back.I'm pretty sure if the restaurant had a forum I wouldn't spend the rest of my life on that forum complaining non stop... ;)

That's almost worth a signature :D brill-i-ant!

[Tree_UK]

Say what? If a product I buy cost hundreds or thousands of pounds, then I will complain mightily until it is working as advertised.
If I spend the price of CoD on a meal (depending where you bought it, from £5 to £60...) and it was not what I expected then I would complain about the meal, then leave the restaurant and not go back.I'm pretty sure if the restaurant had a forum I wouldn't spend the rest of my life on that forum complaining non stop... ;)
Its a cheap game, to while away a few hours of your time if you wish, not life and death.

lol, good point, although some people have spent more than £1000 on the knife and fork to eat the cheap crappy meal....

[robtek]

To spend that kind of money for one computer game must be punished!

Though, the majority of the people doesn't feels punished, i wonder why. :D