The Crystal Ball

[Ataros]

CloD should be fixed first before an add-on that I assume we will need to buy (and I don't mind that either if its reasonably priced) is released.

This is what programmers are working on now. You can search for luthier's and BlackSix's posts about it. As I said the engine is the same which means if the engine is fixed than both CloD and BoM and BoS, etc. are fixed.

Programming and 3D modelling are 2 different professions. No need to pay modellers if they have nothing to do. Thus they need to be fired unless they start working on a sequel.

Sorry for offtopic, let's get back to BoM aircraft :)

[Ataros]

How about skip a few crap planes and give us te Fw 190 already? While we're still young (sort of) but dont skip the i16.....

Yea, give me Dora please, almost no one can catch it :)

[kristorf]

This is what programmers are working on now. You can search for luthier's and BlackSix's posts about it.
Sorry for offtopic, let's get back to BoM aircraft :)

Staying OT for a moment, there are so many posts saying so many things that have never happened.......sod it, I can't be bothered with it really

[Buchon]

Can´t wait to see the east front planes with CLOD detail level. :grin:

[seaeye]

FW 190 Please!

[JG53Frankyboy]

tp repeat csThors post:
german operation Taifun and the soviet counteroffensive its Winter 41/42

so its about
Bf109E-7
Bf109F-2/-4
Bf110D/E
Ju87B-2 (more armour than the BoB Ju87B-2)
Hs123
Hs126
He111H-6
Ju88A-5/-4

I-16 (what version ever....)
Yak-1
MiG-3
LaGG-3
P-40B/C
I-153
IL-2 (only one seaters !)
R-5/-10
SB-2
IL-4
Pe-2

just to name the most common.................


i personaly would like to see a MiG-3 picture, WITH cockpit view please :)

[JG52Krupi]

La 5 is pretty much confirmed, it should be on the list!

[Ataros]

La 5 is pretty much confirmed, it should be on the list!

I think not for BoM as it would not make any historical sense but for BoS* or for a combined title.

*Stalingrad

It was the most deadly battle in the history of mankind, thus I am sure it will be covered by the series.

[JG52Krupi]

I think not for BoM as it would not make any historical sense but for BoS* or for a combined title.

*Stalingrad

It was the most deadly battle in the history of mankind, thus I am sure it will be covered by the series.

Fair enough time will tell I guess!

[Tavingon]

http://pixdaus.com/pics/1261810563r2MExZc.jpg

[BRIGGBOY]

I hope for a Spitfire mk I in the new 3D engine ;)

Mazex

hell yeah. and hopefully it will work properly

[robtek]

http://pixdaus.com/pics/1261810563r2MExZc.jpg

Nice "Tante Ju", regretfully wrong engines and props.

[ElAurens]

My heart wants to see a P 40 B, but my head says I-16, 1-153, or Mig-3.

[Liz Lemon]

My heart wants to see a P 40 B, but my head says I-16, 1-153, or Mig-3.

+1 for the P-40

[GOZR]

Yakovlev 1/3/7/9

[Jaws2002]

We could do with one of this:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v258/<FA>Jaws/iar80_05.jpg



:mrgreen:

[BlackSix]

I already have 12 screenshots of the Soviet aircraft to Friday. With the German aircraft - the question is still unresolved.

[JG52Uther]

Excellent!

[JG52Krupi]

Nice, gotta see the Frederick :D

[Pluto]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tree_UK View Post
This is a Cliffs of dover forum I would rather see some updates for this game if possible, although the update today was fantastic 'we are still working on a patch' something with a little more content would be better.

it pains me to agree

you are not the only one ... :)

[JG52Krupi]

We could do with one of this:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v258/<FA>Jaws/iar80_05.jpg



:mrgreen:

For a second then I thought I clicked on the ugly aircraft thread :P

J/K ;)

[bongodriver]

For a second then I thought I clicked on the ugly aircraft thread :P

J/K ;)

Nooooooooo.....that is a great looking aircraft.

[JG52Krupi]

Nooooooooo.....that is a great looking aircraft.

Guess it would be a pain in the arse to taxi with its cockpit that far back!

[bongodriver]

Yes it would I guess, the wings are probably going to be right in line with the horizon from that viepoint too, but I really do think the IAR 80 was a gorgeous looking aircraft.

[JG52Krupi]

Yes it would I guess, the wings are probably going to be right in line with the horizon from that viepoint too, but I really do think the IAR 80 was a gorgeous looking aircraft.

Yes it is, just looks unusual with its wings so far forward and aforementioned cockpit, makes it look like a racer rather than a fighter :)

[JG53Frankyboy]

it would be the correct timeframe, but unfortunatly the wrong front sector :(

[Red Dragon-DK]

I only have to sleep 3 nights more and then its Friday.

Then its weekend.


and time for an update. ;)

Looking forward to it. Keep up the great work.

[Bewolf]

For a second then I thought I clicked on the ugly aircraft thread :P

J/K ;)

Totally looking forward to this aircraft, in IL2 the IAR81 worked like a FW 190 precedessor in almost every regard =)

[zakkandrachoff]

in old IL2 i fly only (i mean , 95% of the totall of the time) 3 different planes, like 109, fw, and hellcat.
But in this sim, with all the series complete, i only can fly the 109. Is very difficult learn and keep that you learn for more than 1 or 2 planes.

109-f2 have nice skins in barbarossa, hope oleg team put many of they.

but maybe will be nice see first russian fighters, like this.:
http://www.junebarbarossa.com/img/upload/frdgrgerge_1.jpg
that mig have a pretty good design for me:grin:

and, the rumanian He 112 will be nice to see too.
http://www.warbirdphotographs.com/LCBW6/He112-B1-01f.jpg
http://img224.imageshack.us/img224/1842/mostupn1.jpg
They not only fight in Besarabia, they escort German Bombers to Moscow, and was more than 25 He 112 in the Rumanian Air Force.
Remember that oleg put G50 in Cliffs..., and they, almost, dont see combat in Battle Of ingland, and He112 yes.
soo, i recuest this not popular fighter for the incomming maddox serie, because this will our only chance to see it:(

[ChrisDNT]

How about skip a few crap planes and give us te Fw 190 already? While we're still young (sort of) but dont skip the i16.....

I agree, not another variant or sub-variant of the 109.

And please, the 190, without the bar and the extra drag ;-)

[Jaws2002]

For a second then I thought I clicked on the ugly aircraft thread :P

J/K ;)

You know I'm gonna vulch you five times because of this Heresy, right?:mrgreen:

How can you say such a thing?

I know in Il-2 the IAR-80 was modeled horribly, but the plane doesn't look half as bad.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v258/<FA>Jaws/Giar80-2-1.jpg

I have a new book on this aircraft on the way. :-P

http://www.radubstore.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=118&products_id=373&zenid=bcf072fa610468d6b5b2e58e0f10116c

http://www.brookhursthobbies.com/images/products/standard/SA5919.jpg

[Jaws2002]

Yes it is, just looks unusual with its wings so far forward and aforementioned cockpit, makes it look like a racer rather than a fighter :)


But once in the air, that buble canopy is superior to any 109 version. :twisted:



All you need is a H1 race skin for it and is good to go:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v258/<FA>Jaws/grab0.jpg

[JG52Krupi]

You know I'm gonna vulch you five times because of this Heresy, right?:mrgreen:

How can you say such a thing?

I know in Il-2 the IAR-80 was modeled horribly, but the plane doesn't look half as bad.

Okay Okay I already admitted its a nice aircraft, truth be told I am still peeved at you for sliding into my 6 with that yellow nosed hurri of yours ;)

[Plt Off JRB Meaker]

My train of thought as well, sort the existing then work on the next???

+1
Yup,agreed.

[bongodriver]

+1
Yup,agreed.

It has become apparent that it's only modellers working on content for BOM which doesn't take any resource away from the programmers who are working on fixing COD.

[Plt Off JRB Meaker]

It has become apparent that it's only modellers working on content for BOM which doesn't take any resource away from the programmers who are working on fixing COD.

In two months time,COD will have been released for a year,it's also apparent that the fixing of COD is taking a while!.....and that the essence of the line I was agreeing to was that before you learn to run you should learn to walk.

[Jaws2002]

I know in Il-2 the IAR-80 was modeled horribly, but the plane doesn't look half as bad.

Okay Okay I already admitted its a nice aircraft, truth be told I am still peeved at you for sliding into my 6 with that yellow nosed hurri of yours ;)


:mrgreen:

Best way to sneak up on a 109.

http://i.imgur.com/k9nD2.jpg



http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v258/<FA>Jaws/mockface.gif

[JG52Krupi]

I still recall I was on comms at the time, it went something like this...

"Some id!ot friendly is shooting at me in a 109"

5 Mins Later

"He's doing it again, goddamn n00b... WTF... Hang on, what the... SON OF A B!!!"

:evil:

Of course the best way to get on a 109's 6 atm is too open your canopy listen to the sound of a BD601 coming at you from behind and then loop on to his 6... :P

[robtek]

I shure hope he catches some friendly fire soon and often after.
But thats it in a game with non historical skins, someone cheats.
The yellow noses were there for a reason.

[Jaws2002]

I shure hope he catches some friendly fire soon and often after.
But thats it in a game with non historical skins, someone cheats.
The yellow noses were there for a reason.

I didn't realize the skins were on, so I flew with that Romanian Skin for a few sorties.:) Everyone was shooting at me friend and foe. LMAO I stoped doing it rather quick. :mrgreen:

[pencon]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tree_UK View Post
This is a Cliffs of dover forum I would rather see some updates for this game if possible, although the update today was fantastic 'we are still working on a patch' something with a little more content would be better.



you are not the only one ... :)

What update today is that? Did i miss something?

[JG52Uther]

What update today is that? Did i miss something?

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=29295

Update should hopefully be on Friday.

[He111]

Aircraft in Friday update ? I would guess it won't be Russian (saved for BOM), hopefully a Lysander!??

With a flyable Lysander, you could practice takeoffs and landings on short runways - fields etc :grin: (resupply french resistance then off home for tea and biccies!)

He111.

[Majo]

FW-190 won't be, it is absolutely exact.

Then almost for sure it will be a FW190...
It´s like playing offline after a while you get to know the AI routine.

Salutes.

[JG52Krupi]

Then almost for sure it will be a FW190...
It´s like playing offline after a while you get to know the AI routine.

Salutes.

Nope, no 190 at BoMs release.

[JG52Uther]

Well whatever it is, I can't wait to see it! :)

[Tavingon]

Aircraft in Friday update ? I would guess it won't be Russian (saved for BOM), hopefully a Lysander!??

With a flyable Lysander, you could practice takeoffs and landings on short runways - fields etc :grin: (resupply french resistance then off home for tea and biccies!)

He111.

That would be lush...
http://www.oocities.org/willhunter42/LysanderRCAF.jpg

Looking forward to the news tomorow!

[Flanker35M]

S!

Easy solution for the feature where people use yellow nose Sissies or Hurris to fool you, turn OFF skins online :) Saves bandwidth too :)

To the topic..I bet it is I-16 Rata or I-153 Tchaika :)

[smink1701]

If they are smart they'll include something with a P...P-40, P-39, P-51...I would imagine they will include plenty of aircraft from Mother Russia, Britain and Germany so a few from the west would go a long way in generating sales.

[ElAurens]

P 39s and P 51s are WAY outside the timeframe of the expansion.

So are FW 190s.

Why is this hard to understand?

[Feathered_IV]

So exciting. It's just like the good old days, when we subsisted on blue screen WiP's for nearly five years.

[BlackSix]

S!

Easy solution for the feature where people use yellow nose Sissies or Hurris to fool you, turn OFF skins online :) Saves bandwidth too :)

To the topic..I bet it is I-16 Rata or I-153 Tchaika :)

Rata - this is a German nickname (and Spanish?):)
In the USSR it was called "Ishak" (donkey). This combination of name pronunciation in Russian aircraft I-16 - "i-shestnadtsat" and highly complex control in the air and on landing.

[Yvetette]

Rata - this is a German nickname (and Spanish?):)
In the USSR it was called "Ishak" (donkey). This combination of name pronunciation in Russian aircraft I-16 - "i-shestnadtsat" and highly complex control in the air and on landing.

Yes, it is Spanish, meaning "rat". The Spanish republicans during the Spanish Civil War called I-16 "Mosca" which means "fly".
All the best from Finland!!

[Kodoss]

Or Super Mosca for the types 5,6 and 10.

[xpzorg]

In russian "mosca" means "fly" too(мошка/moshka)

[swiss]

So exciting. It's just like the good old days, when we subsisted on blue screen WiP's for nearly five years.

rofl.

[Flanker35M]

S!

Finns called it Rata too. And the Donkey is an appropriate name for it. Finns had several of these and the only existing I-16 UTI. Pilots said that plane was a handful to fly with VERY extreme handling characteristics at certain situations. For example the triggers were very stiff to operate and combine that with the extremely sensitive controls = nose bopping up and down when firing thus reducing accuracy. And other features on top of that like the longitudinal instability that could cause a fatal spin if plane was pulled too much, at certain point in a tight pull the Rata would tighten it's turn by itself due the CoG and other features..But nevertheless in hands of a capable pilot a dangerous plane.

[BlackSix]

I-16 (http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=29368) :)

[Plt Off JRB Meaker]

Thanks Blacksix,hehe,the I-16 has got to be the most ugliest aircraft that ever flew IMO,agreed?.......how that shape ever got airborne,let alone became a fighter aircraft is beyond me,the lines on it are awful,it ain't no beauty!

[swiss]

Thanks Blacksix,hehe,the I-16 has got to be the most ugliest aircraft that ever flew IMO,agreed?.......how that shape ever got airborne,let alone became a fighter aircraft is beyond me,the lines on it are awful,it ain't no beauty!

It's an engine with wings, reduce to the max, pretty cool concept for 1934.
You also might want to check out the "ugly planes" thread, considering aesthetics...

[Ataros]

Ishak (donkey)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kv5qwGoMkw&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wre6DUAbMIg&feature=player_embedded

[Kupsised]

http://i1246.photobucket.com/albums/gg607/Kupsised/i16_sc06.jpg

Just noticed this when Krupi posted it in the update thread, but are those cocking handle extensions I see coming off the cowling guns? I wonder if that means jamming might be modeled (and thus also the ability to un-jam using those handles). Either way, does any one know why the had them? (if that's what they are) Were they particularly prone to jamming then?

[kestrel79]

Wow those I-16 videos are great! The engine sound is very cool. Reminds me of Subulba's pod racer in Star Wars Ep. I :) I wonder if we will get the Starwars laser guns as well haha.

The I-16 always reminded me of 1920s and 30s air racing planes, like something out of the Rocketteer.

[Qpassa]

I-16 is a beautiful plane, there's one in a foundation ( Infante de Orleans) which sometimes fly in Madrid
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKh8nXqwtXo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qELasf1GKgE
It is from the Spanish Civil War ( 1936 - 1939)

[pencon]

Ok so where can we find the fri update ? I think the i16 is a cool Geebee -ish looking warbird and its fun to fly in 1946 as well..

[bongodriver]

Whaa?

[Plt Off JRB Meaker]

Oh now come along Qpassa that 'thing'ain't no beautiful aircraft,it is a bloody eye sore of the highest order!.........the Spitfire,now that is a beautiful aircraft,it's sleek,has slender lines,it's looks like a thorough bred,the Bf109 is a beautiful aircraft it again has superb lines and is a pleasure to the eye.

The aerodynamics of this aircraft must be non existent,just look at the shape of the thing,it's terrible!,no surprise then that it did'nt go down in the history books as an outstanding fighter of WW2.Just imagine being a Nazi pilot during the battle of Moscow and coming across that thing in combat,you must have thought it was your lucky day,lol.

That thing,I can't even call it an aircraft,is an abomination,it's damn right hideous,and one can only draw to a conclusion that it was an after thought after one too many vodkas...........yes,I don't like it,sorry if this will upset someone.

[pupo162]

i like mosca. its hard to fly, but an awesome target.

[zakkandrachoff]

In russian "mosca" means "fly" too(мошка/moshka)

"Mosca" are not mean "fly" !!! This is Mosca in Spanish:
http://www.forodefotos.com/attachments/fotos-de-insectos/1729d1220303119-fotografia-de-mosca-domestica-foto-de-mosca-domestica.jpg

[Yvetette]

"Mosca" are not mean "fly" !!! This is Mosca in Spanish:
http://www.forodefotos.com/attachments/fotos-de-insectos/1729d1220303119-fotografia-de-mosca-domestica-foto-de-mosca-domestica.jpg
Quite right zakk!! Russian word "moshka" means "gnat" or a very small insect called "black fly".

[pupo162]

im pretty sure the spanish side ( one of them cant recall the name, sorry) who flew the mosca, gave it that name becosue the planes had "moscow" right on its side in cyrilic wich looks a lot like "mosca", wich indeed means "fly" in english.


i could call it Rata too, but for some reason its uncofrtable since its a slang in my language for the true objective of every men's life.

[bongodriver]

i could call it Rata too, but for some reason its uncofrtable since its a slang in my language for the true objective of every men's life.

Rata means beer? :grin:

[JG53Frankyboy]

well, the pilots who flew it, never called it Rata - only its enemy pilots called them so.........

[FAE_Cazador]

The nick "Rata" (rat) was given by the Franco's Nacionalist and Legion Condor German pilots to the newly received I-16 that were destinated by Republican Air Force to Madrid Front. At that time Madrid was heavily pounded by Franco's and Legion Condor bombers, without almost opposition. Then they started to see the I-16 taking off hurrily to intercept bombers formations from airfields around Madrid and then flying low over Madrid's roofs trying to climb to get them. Hence the nick "Rat", as rats could be seen running on the roofs of old houses of that age.

"Rata" is also a Spanish despective name. I guess, it was also applied when "Ratas" gained air superiority in the following weeks over Franco's He-51 and CR-32 and bombers started to be shot down.

The nick "Mosca" (fly) was given by republican pilots and republican gouvernement propaganda as the wooden boxes containing the disassembled planes received by ship from URSS had the word "Mockba" (Moscow) in cyrillic stenciled on the sides, as another poster said. Hence the spanish common started to call her "Mosca".

Two nicknames for same plane.

[swiss]

Wiki says the Spanish nationalists called it Rata.

edit: too slow.

[ElAurens]

Rata means beer? :grin:

:cool: A worthy pursuit IMHO, and over all, far less costly in the long run.


I've always enjoyed flying the I-16 in IL2. And I remember waiting with great anticipation for the patch that made it flyable.

[pencon]

It's one my favorite crap planes along with the MC200 (which i also have an RC model of )

[Qpassa]

Oh now come along Qpassa that 'thing'ain't no beautiful aircraft,it is a bloody eye sore of the highest order!.........the Spitfire,now that is a beautiful aircraft,it's sleek,has slender lines,it's looks like a thorough bred,the Bf109 is a beautiful aircraft it again has superb lines and is a pleasure to the eye.

The aerodynamics of this aircraft must be non existent,just look at the shape of the thing,it's terrible!,no surprise then that it did'nt go down in the history books as an outstanding fighter of WW2.Just imagine being a Nazi pilot during the battle of Moscow and coming across that thing in combat,you must have thought it was your lucky day,lol.

That thing,I can't even call it an aircraft,is an abomination,it's damn right hideous,and one can only draw to a conclusion that it was an after thought after one too many vodkas...........yes,I don't like it,sorry if this will upset someone.
lol I like it btw it's small , and do faster turns than most of the planes. Also I-15 is beautiful

[Plt Off JRB Meaker]

Lol,hehe...........it's a free world mate,enjoy:)

[ElAurens]

When introduced, in 1933, the I-16 was the most modern fighter on the planet.

[Plt Off JRB Meaker]

Mmm..........and in 1912 the Titanic was said to be the best ship on the planet,some said unsinkable,unfortunatley,they were wrong;)

[Robert]

It's one my favorite crap planes along with the MC200 (which i also have an RC model of )

Pictures? You don't see too many R/C craft of the MC200. Did you scratch ot kit build? I love looking at R/C models. I used to fly back in the 70s. Life interfered.....sadly.





Sorry for the hijack!

[ATAG_Dutch]

@ Meaks - First cantilever monoplane with retractable undercart in service anywhere in the world at the time - is true though. ;)

I think it's a gorgeously pugnacious looking thing also. I have a 1/48th scale I-16 next to my desk right now. Been placed in a few competitions with it too!

[zakkandrachoff]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRFcxmjvD28:-P

yep , this is old stuff, but still work on me. jeje

[smink1701]

Last week’s update was more of a declaration of why you can’t give us an update. Doesn’t make much sense. Maybe you should change the name to “Friday Excuse.” How about something with teeth...when can we expect a patch and what will be included? That's what everyone wants to know and at this point you really should be able to pass along something. Until this thing gets fixed COD will stand for "Collector of Dust" as far as I’m concerned.

[Dano]

:rolleyes:

[Aer9o]

Last week’s update was more of a declaration of why you can’t give us an update. Doesn’t make much sense. Maybe you should change the name to “Friday Excuse.” How about something with teeth...when can we expect a patch and what will be included? That's what everyone wants to know and at this point you really should be able to pass along something. Until this thing gets fixed COD will stand for "Collector of Dust" as far as I’m concerned.


You hit the spot! +1 on this one! :)

[smink1701]

You're right Dano...who wants a real update when we can have a pretend one.:-P

[Dano]

Yes, let's have an update with dates and content so as to keep all the promise whiners happy when it slips because Joe Blogski is off sick with pnemonia.

[smink1701]

A hard date with promised content is not what I'm looking for. But neither is a big bag of nothing along with a screenshot of a plane I'll probably never fly from a sequel I'll never buy. I'd be happy with a window. "We think the next patch will be released in 60 days and it should include X." I remember Luthier reporting in October that they were putting the finishing touches on a new graphics engine that would increase fps by 50 percent and how much he loved flying around listening to the wonderful new sounds. I wish I had what he's been smoking. I'm just saying...give us a realistic idea of what we can expect in the next few months. Even if it’s nothing!

[Dano]

A hard date with promised content is not what I'm looking for. But neither is a big bag of nothing along with a screenshot of a plane I'll probably never fly from a sequel I'll never buy. I'd be happy with a window. "We think the next patch will be released in 60 days and it should include X." I remember Luthier reporting in October that they were putting the finishing touches on a new graphics engine that would increase fps by 50 percent and how much he loved flying around listening to the wonderful new sounds. I wish I had what he's been smoking. I'm just saying...give us a realistic idea of what we can expect in the next few months. Even if it’s nothing!

And whatever he says regarding timings or content will be used against him at a later date, if you have been reading any of the update threads you'd know this. Much as I'd love to see some more meat in the updates I just don't see it happening with the attitudes of many forum members as they are.

[smink1701]

Then I guess they should change the name of the post to "Friday - We Haven't A Clue."

[Dano]

Then I guess they should change the name of the post to "Friday - We Haven't A Clue."

Or rather, 'Friday, we know but we're not telling you lot due to previous bad behaviour, now get back on the naughty step'.

[smink1701]

I know that many here including me have thrown MANY tantrums over a game. But in business and life in general, you say what you are going to do and do what you say. Luthier has said a lot over the last several months and delivered nothing. I'm not mad that they have been a little late of missed a few promised dates. WE HAVE GOTTEN NOTHING. I'm not even mad now. I just think I / we deserve an accurate, realistic assessment of where things stand.

[Dano]

Didn't we get that update last friday?

[Tanyrhiew]

lol

[Blackdog_kt]

Last week’s update was more of a declaration of why you can’t give us an update. Doesn’t make much sense. Maybe you should change the name to “Friday Excuse.” How about something with teeth...when can we expect a patch and what will be included? That's what everyone wants to know and at this point you really should be able to pass along something. Until this thing gets fixed COD will stand for "Collector of Dust" as far as I’m concerned.

Well, i can't help but cover old ground here, because i'm giving an answer to an often repeated and answered question.

The reason we don't get concrete dates is that they usually slip and all hell breaks loose. And while people are upset when dates slip, if something comes early or on time but it's not done to sufficient quality, the exact same people usually go "why didn't you delay it to make sure its working first?".

I mean, it's the exact same thing that happened with the entire game: a lot were anxiously demanding it and then the same people said it would be better off being delayed.

Come on, you've been around long enough to know how things work :-P

[pencon]

Pictures? You don't see too many R/C craft of the MC200. Did you scratch ot kit build? I love looking at R/C models. I used to fly back in the 70s. Life interfered.....sadly.





Sorry for the hijack! Here's a picture of the kit , mines not built yet http://www.google.com/imgres?um=1&hl=en&rlz=1T4ACGW_en___CA384&biw=1520&bih=787&tbm=isch&tbnid=swV9BkIFrt8j2M:&imgrefurl=http://www.championhobby.com/listing.php%3Fid%3D17&docid=n5YWUARGAGmM6M&imgurl=http://www.championhobby.com/img/Products/573/2_XY-161%252520Air%252520-Kill%252520-%25252060%2525201.jpg&w=585&h=418&ei=C5QtT5PPN-iMiALNyOWlCg&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=567&vpy=302&dur=1823&hovh=190&hovw=266&tx=110&ty=95&sig=114473431122175425634&page=1&tbnh=147&tbnw=196&start=0&ndsp=28&ved=1t:429,r:9,s:0

[JG52Krupi]

So what aircraft do you want to see in the next update>

Personally I want to see the Frederick or a P-40 :D

[Ailantd]

The nick "Rata" (rat) was given by the Franco's Nacionalist and Legion Condor German pilots to the newly received I-16 that were destinated by Republican Air Force to Madrid Front. At that time Madrid was heavily pounded by Franco's and Legion Condor bombers, without almost opposition. Then they started to see the I-16 taking off hurrily to intercept bombers formations from airfields around Madrid and then flying low over Madrid's roofs trying to climb to get them. Hence the nick "Rat", as rats could be seen running on the roofs of old houses of that age.

"Rata" is also a Spanish despective name. I guess, it was also applied when "Ratas" gained air superiority in the following weeks over Franco's He-51 and CR-32 and bombers started to be shot down.

The nick "Mosca" (fly) was given by republican pilots and republican gouvernement propaganda as the wooden boxes containing the disassembled planes received by ship from URSS had the word "Mockba" (Moscow) in cyrillic stenciled on the sides, as another poster said. Hence the spanish common started to call her "Mosca".

Two nicknames for same plane.

I didn´t knew that. Great explanation. Thanks.
Esto no lo sabía. Una explicación estupenda, gracias.

[smink1701]

Make it good.;)

[furbs]

Not sure we will be getting a patch...im hoping for some real info on what the patch will improve when it finally appears ...

AI
FM
DM
FSAA
CTDs

Thats the stuff we need info on....the rest is fluffing.

[Herbs107]

I wouldnt be holding my breath waiting. It might be a slow painful death otherwise.

[smink1701]

Not looking for the patch but hoping for a good update, ie with real content on CloD and not the sequel. I'm a bit surprised this post hasn't vanished.

[kestrel79]

I think tomorrow we are getting some screens from a German Bomber, and a video of a new unexpected feature.

What's everyone's guess?

[Continu0]

A Patch would be awesome, since I just got TrackIR and a few days off. But I´ll be happy with some good news as well.

Not expecting anything more...

[Ailantd]

I think tomorrow we are getting some screens from a German Bomber, and a video of a new unexpected feature.

What's everyone's guess?

¿What bomber?

[pupo162]

¿What bomber?

my guess is a newer version of the Heinkel, or that crazy looking plane that Daedalos put in 4.10, Hs something.

[machoo]

On what basis do you think a patch will be tomorrow?

[NervousEnergy]

I'd be shocked at a beta patch suddenly appearing tomorrow, but I suppose it could happen. Certainly not holding my breath. Getting some more solid information on it, though, would be nice. We already know they have good progress on the graphics engine, with the overhaul being 'nearly complete', but not much info on what else is going into it or what progress has been made.

It does seem like this is going to be the 'kitchen sink' patch that largely sets the stage for the base engine for some time to come. I don't begrudge them whatever time they require, since they need a home run here to crank interest back up. Even with a perfectly functioning engine (graphics, sound, AI, etc.) the Battle of Britain is a niche product almost by definition. They need to move into a content pack model pretty quick... I'd be surprised if they could keep going into 2013 without selling the next theater of war, and they *need* the core engine to be pretty solid for that.

I'm a fanboy who'd buy the next theater if it were released today, regardless of where it's set, and even with the engine in it's current state, but I'm sure I'm in the minority there. :)

[SPUDLEY1977]

The promise was broken 7-19-2011 by UBISOFT/and Co. Tomorrow will bring the Sunrise, and regardless of COD team response it will only be less than promised if you
re examine the adverts and run up to the release. If you add the stream of redirections from the developers it only gets worse.

Very disappointing and only explains why interest and further sales have fallen through the pit toilet. This product betrays the IL-2 Series.

[Chivas]

The promise was broken 7-19-2011 by UBISOFT/and Co. Tomorrow will bring the Sunrise, and regardless of COD team response it will only be less than promised if you
re examine the adverts and run up to the release. If you add the stream of redirections from the developers it only gets worse.

Very disappointing and only explains why interest and further sales have fallen through the pit toilet. This product betrays the IL-2 Series.

I've never seen the developer promise anything, they have however tried to keep us in loop on some of things they are working on.

I'm not expecting much tomorrow other than maybe a video of a new feature, but that could always be delayed. I'm hoping the patch is close enough that the developer will be confident enough to risk the slings and arrows of posting an ETA.

[Feathered_IV]

No patch for a good while yet. Still a few more fans left to alienate before then.

[icarus]

"Here’s what we are working on at the moment:

1. Performance increase. Over terrain, the two things that slow things down the most are trees and buildings. We are currently in final stages of testing optimized buildings that almost double the FPS over London on a test machine.
Tree optimization is a little farther away. You will probably see changes in how trees are rendered, they’ll take longer to appear over terrain, but once again, performance increase should be significant.
If everything tests correctly over the weekend, both of these should be released by early to mid next week.

2. Enhanced multicore support. The mode that we unfortunately were not able to finish in time is sending all render to a dedicated CPU core. The mode is working but somewhat buggy. It easily doubles the FPS, and the performance boost is especially noticeable in larger missions with lots of stuff going on.
This is probably at least two to three weeks away, and we will probably do a short public beta of this major change before it’s made live to everyone.

3. Multiplayer. There is something in steam filters that prevents game servers from being found. This is only happening with live retail versions of the game. This apparently isn’t caused by us – hopefully it’s just a simple oversight somewhere and the fix will be a simple flick of a switch.

4. FM and ballistics. We have already addressed the issue where rounds appeared to leave aircraft sideways. This was caused by the difference between physical and rendered position of the aircraft, i.e. the rendered position lagged behind the actual aircraft position.
Our aircraft programmer has a huge bucket list of things to check, which he’s going over at a rather brisk pace.

5. Resurrecting SLI support. This is our next biggest priority; it’s done by the same programmer now in final stages of optimizing buildings. We are really hoping this will be a quick task, but I don’t have an ETA at this point. It’ll either be a couple of days, or a much longer undetermined amount of time if we have to submit versions to card manufacturers and ask for their input.

6. Bug fixes and support. We are reading 1C’s forum a lot and some Russian-language forums, and working very hard to address all issues as they are being reported.

7. New stuff – larger online maps, some new aircraft such as the 109E1 and E4 etc – are all in the pipeline too, but obviously we need to solve the bigger issues first and then deal with the freebies."

http://il-2-sturmovik.ubi.com/cliffs-of-dovers/blog/uk/?p=1242

This was last 6 April. I'm not judging just copy and paste.

Judge for yourself.

[Rjel]

"Here’s what we are working on at the moment...

...This was last 6 April. I'm not judging just copy and paste.


I was thinking this sounded pretty good til I got to the end. Now it sounds sorta familiar. I'll wait and see, hoping for the best.

[machoo]

I strongly feel this product would have been fixed months and months ago if it wasn't made in Russia.

[Codex]

"Tomorrow's The Day..."

Not if you live in Australia ... Today is Friday! So I say the update should be now ;)

[ParaB]

I expect the following:

"We are working very hard on a number of things which unfortunately I can't specify. Among other things we are basically kinda working day and night on increasing the possibility for performance increases under certain conditions on certain systems under certain situations and should be able to give a more detailed progress report at a later, at the moment not really defined moment in the future. The problem with FSAAA is basically fixed, we know exactly what to do, it just doesn't work yet. There are massive changes to stuff that's really complicated so I won't bother you with the details. Rest assured a lot of things are greatly improved. Or will be improved. Or, we plan to improve them. Or think about planning to improve them. We're totally in the process of preparing for implementation of KI-fixing programming preparation, so expect massive improvements within an undisclosed time frame. FMs will or will not change in various ways and we will have a great surprise or something resembling a surprise, or something we think maybe some kind of surprise for some of you soon. Which is, some time in the future

BTW here's a picture of an I-16's gear assembly and some highly-detailed russian conifers."

[machoo]

lol good one paraB. Sums it all up pretty well.

Maybe the best reply ever i've seen on here.

[banned]

I expect the following:

"We are working very hard on a number of things which unfortunately I can't specify. Among other things we are basically kinda working day and night on increasing the possibility for performance increases under certain conditions on certain systems under certain situations and should be able to give a more detailed progress report at a later, at the moment not really defined moment in the future. The problem with FSAAA is basically fixed, we know exactly what to do, it just doesn't work yet. There are massive changes to stuff that's really complicated so I won't bother you with the details. Rest assured a lot of things are greatly improved. Or will be improved. Or, we plan to improve them. Or think about planning to improve them. We're totally in the process of preparing for implementation of KI-fixing programming preparation, so expect massive improvements within an undisclosed time frame. FMs will or will not change in various ways and we will have a great surprise or something resembling a surprise, or something we think maybe some kind of surprise for some of you soon. Which is, some time in the future

BTW here's a picture of an I-16's gear assembly and some highly-detailed russian conifers."
Thanks for the update ParaB. I note you promised several times that the sim will be fixed tomorrow and it will run perfectly.

Or did I read it wrong?

[Feathered_IV]

Well done ParaB. Very authentic!

[Manu22]

Hilarous

[Hunden]

Thank you for that, I haven't laughed that hard in a long time. You nailed it.

[CWMV]

Damn, its too long to put in a sig!

[Tree_UK]

Para B, that has to be the best post on these forums to date, funny and at the same time so very true. I have been trying for some time to word a similar post that wouldnt get me another ban, but yours says all I wanted to say in that the updates tell us absolutley nothing. Even worse though are all the thank you posts after.:grin::grin:

[machoo]

I'm surprised the ban hammer hasnt come. The mods must have taken an extra dose of chill pills :)

[priller26]

I'm hoping for some improvements in the near future, but being a realist about it at the same time. I will say I get very good performance on the system I recently built, however, that being said, the components which I am using didn't even exist when this game was released.
This begs the question, what kind of system was this sim originally tested on? I'm just curious. At the present time, my biggest performance hits are on the particle effects, on the 3 gig 580GTX, which appear to be absent from the newest Radeon 3gig card.

[furbs]

I expect the following:

"We are working very hard on a number of things which unfortunately I can't specify. Among other things we are basically kinda working day and night on increasing the possibility for performance increases under certain conditions on certain systems under certain situations and should be able to give a more detailed progress report at a later, at the moment not really defined moment in the future. The problem with FSAAA is basically fixed, we know exactly what to do, it just doesn't work yet. There are massive changes to stuff that's really complicated so I won't bother you with the details. Rest assured a lot of things are greatly improved. Or will be improved. Or, we plan to improve them. Or think about planning to improve them. We're totally in the process of preparing for implementation of KI-fixing programming preparation, so expect massive improvements within an undisclosed time frame. FMs will or will not change in various ways and we will have a great surprise or something resembling a surprise, or something we think maybe some kind of surprise for some of you soon. Which is, some time in the future

BTW here's a picture of an I-16's gear assembly and some highly-detailed russian conifers."

Sounds fantastic! i cant wait, thank you ;)

[furbs]

From Blacksix...

The update will be in the evening. Probably late in the evening.
Maybe we don't have time to do everything and move to the next week.
It was a very difficult week.

:(

[mazex]

Read the "fresh stuff from sukhoi.ru " thread for info regarding today's update...

Mazex

[Tree_UK]

From Blacksix...

The update will be in the evening. Probably late in the evening.
Maybe we don't have time to do everything and move to the next week.
It was a very difficult week.

:(

lol, that would fit perfectly on the end of Para B's post.:grin:

[SG1_Lud]

Welcome to CODFA*. Your membership number is #0002!

Remember the only rule in CODFA is that your not allowed to talk to anyone from AoCLODF** because they are dirty splitters and have absolutly no idea about how to really appreciate this sim!

*CODFA: Cliffs of Dover Fanboi Association.
**Association of CLiffs Of Dover Fanboi's

I thought I was a fanboi, but I'll admit I LMAO'ed with ParaB post. Do I still qualify?
:grin:

[Skoshi Tiger]

I thought I was a fanboi, but I'll admit I LMAO'ed with ParaB post. Do I still qualify?
:grin:

More than ever! :)

[Qpassa]

We need a patch, but imho is not going to be released now, I hope I'm wrong

[Red Dragon-DK]

I expect the following:

"We are working very hard on a number of things which unfortunately I can't specify. Among other things we are basically kinda working day and night on increasing the possibility for performance increases under certain conditions on certain systems under certain situations and should be able to give a more detailed progress report at a later, at the moment not really defined moment in the future. The problem with FSAAA is basically fixed, we know exactly what to do, it just doesn't work yet. There are massive changes to stuff that's really complicated so I won't bother you with the details. Rest assured a lot of things are greatly improved. Or will be improved. Or, we plan to improve them. Or think about planning to improve them. We're totally in the process of preparing for implementation of KI-fixing programming preparation, so expect massive improvements within an undisclosed time frame. FMs will or will not change in various ways and we will have a great surprise or something resembling a surprise, or something we think maybe some kind of surprise for some of you soon. Which is, some time in the future

BTW here's a picture of an I-16's gear assembly and some highly-detailed russian conifers."


Fantastic. When they see this, they will hire you as a press officer. Be sure - almost - they might or might not need one pretty soon, in the future. :D

Note - you dident say when.... 2 weeks?

~S~

[bongodriver]

Hell....even as one of the main anti-whinge protagonists I thought it was funny, overexagerated but funny.

[addman]

I expect the following:

"We are working very hard on a number of things which unfortunately I can't specify. Among other things we are basically kinda working day and night on increasing the possibility for performance increases under certain conditions on certain systems under certain situations and should be able to give a more detailed progress report at a later, at the moment not really defined moment in the future. The problem with FSAAA is basically fixed, we know exactly what to do, it just doesn't work yet. There are massive changes to stuff that's really complicated so I won't bother you with the details. Rest assured a lot of things are greatly improved. Or will be improved. Or, we plan to improve them. Or think about planning to improve them. We're totally in the process of preparing for implementation of KI-fixing programming preparation, so expect massive improvements within an undisclosed time frame. FMs will or will not change in various ways and we will have a great surprise or something resembling a surprise, or something we think maybe some kind of surprise for some of you soon. Which is, some time in the future

BTW here's a picture of an I-16's gear assembly and some highly-detailed russian conifers."

Awesome post ParaB, totally ROFLMAO over here. Great parody, scary thing though, it's so close to the real thing that it almost is not a parody. Nice to see that everybody can have a laugh without bickering though. :grin:

[41Sqn_Banks]

Thanks for the update ParaB. I note you promised several times that the sim will be fixed tomorrow and it will run perfectly.

Or did I read it wrong?

+1

[senseispcc]

I did not follow the threads since a long time and I am asking what is or seems a stupid question is there a date for the next update? Or even a approximation of a date? A week, month if not a day for this next upgrade? I tried to read the weekly updates but did not find any sings of delay or dates! But that there shall be a new game for the Russian or Soviet front in the future. If someone could answer this question; when?8-)

[JG52Uther]

There has been no information on an ETA for the patch.

[icarus]

Is there going to be a patch for CoD before BoM is released?

[robtek]

What are you trying to do?

The answer was posted here already by luthier. Yes.

Quite logical, as the sequel is still not officially announced.

[Aer9o]

Can you please provide some relevant information on the status of the patch in this Friday update, as follows:

1. How the work is progressing?

2. What mile stones ( if any ) have been achieved so far?

3. What the team is actually working on now that the graphics (as Luthier mentioned earlier) are virtually finished by now?

4. What betterment we will actually get after the patch... ae: list of fixes?

5. Relevant screen shots showing frame rates ( not anly upper but low and average ) and various improvements to the visuals (if any)

6. Approximate time scale for release of the BETA? (not the ready when is ready... please)

[Flanker35M]

S!

I would settle with a less long list. Maybe a few highlights of what was found and corrected. Patch release, well when ready :)

[trademe900]

I like many others are infuriated at the absolute rort we have been victim of, having paid good money for a substandard product. Even worse, to add to this frustration, efforts are now going off on a tangent to develop ridiculous things like controllable AA and future expansion packs ? Outright theft!

I do not wish to put blame on anyone but would rather just please like to have this mess fixed as soon as possible; that is to say, fix this unfinished product and not focus on things that are not ready to be added yet.

Anyway, in short- when is the next patch coming out please? Everyone knows we need AI fixed immediately at number 1, closely followed by many other glaringly obvious shortcomings. This game is not fit to play. When can we expect something please? It has been a long time since version 1.05 now.

[machoo]

People seem to think next week. I'll believe it when I see it....

[trademe900]

If that's the case- awesome. I will wait. Where did you get that from?

[Chivas]

I like many others are infuriated at the absolute rort we have been victim of, having paid good money for a substandard product. Even worse, to add to this frustration, efforts are now going off on a tangent to develop ridiculous things like controllable AA and future expansion packs ? Outright theft!

I do not wish to put blame on anyone but rather just please like to have this mess fixed as soon as possible; that is to say, fix this unfinished product and not go off on another tangent adding more things that are not ready to be focused on yet.

Anyway, in short- when is the next patch coming out please? Everyone knows we need AI fixed immediately at number 1, closely followed by many other glaringly obvious shortcomings. This game is not fit to play. When can we expect something please? It has been a long time since version 1.5 now.

I think its more your fault for not doing your due diligence before buying the product. Kidding aside, I'm sure the developer is thankful for our investment in COD, which has made it possible for the sim to be finished instead of canceled.

The patch is much closer, and should make the sim much more playable on average systems. No much word yet on what improvements has been made on the FM, DM, AI, Commands, etc, although I'm quite sure the people working on those features didn't stop to watch the one guy working on ground vehicles. You should see many new features, and improvements to the FM, DM, AI, Commands, Graphics thru the life of the series.

[Chivas]

If that's the case- awesome. I will wait. Where did you get that from?

Quote from BS, but doesn't say when it will be released, but doesn't sound like it will be too much longer.

"Graphics-wise, we’re dealing with a last-minute issue as we speak. We rather unexpectedly found a problem with our aircraft decals, i.e. the code that places crosses and roundels and chevrons etc on top of the aircraft paintscheme. The code is being rewritten, the work should be finished in about 2 days. Once it’s done we can take much more accurate benchmarks. We’ll post then when we have them."

[Flanker35M]

S!

So basically at least a week...no wait, stop the press...2 WEEKS! :D Anyways really good news the patch is getting closer to beta/release. Add to that the mentioned FM/DM adjustments and oh boy can we finally enjoy a lot more :D

[trademe900]

Good.

May the lord be with you guys in these tough times- I trust they are providing well-paid overtime!

[335th_GRAthos]

I think the only substandard thing is our PCs and GPUs today:

Just watch this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=S6-FOVQxwOo#!

Of course there are things that have to be corrected, and things that could be improved in CoD. But we need to keep a more balanced approach and give CoD the merit it deserves.

The tragic thing is that after the whole outcry regarding the poor graphics performance of the game, precious programming ressources are used creating a "graphics-light" version of the game.

Tragic is also that we are a very small community. If we were like the WOW or some other nae I do not remember with 14million users, we could have kicked ATI & NV to bring new GPUs into the market and a lot o our problems would have been solved.

Part of life...

~S~

[hc_wolf]

While we wait for the Devs to do their magic here is a little something to make u smile.

:shock:

[Tavingon]

While we wait for the Devs to do their magic here is a little something to make u smile.

:shock:

Dear God no!

What I picture is the fine tuned graphics perhaps, some fresh atmouspheric sounds, and also with a few neat addons.. if you know what I mean;)

[adonys]

When will the next beta patch be released?

[bongodriver]

what do we win?

[adonys]

aaa..

play CoD with a better framerate?
no bugs?
awesome eye candy?

pick your own reward :)

[kristorf]

'eyes open wide awake, and you're back in the real world'.......................................

[lensman1945]

This Friday for sure..

It's my birthday:grin:

[furbs]

Next Friday

[Flanker35M]

S!

2 weeks!

[satchenko]

You miss the option "some day"

[bongodriver]

You miss the option "some day"

that's covered by '2 weeks'.........community joke

[Chivas]

When its ready.

[Pudfark]

After next week.....the Beta

4 weeks for the Steam Patch version....

[Qpassa]

When I finish the degree

[mazex]

This Friday as i'm on a skiing holiday so I'll miss it :)

Mazex

[badfinger]

I once saw a sign on the wall of a motorcycle shop that said "Half Price Sale Tomorrow".

It was there everyday, and the sale was always going to start "tomorrow".

binky9

[Pato Salvaje]

Two weeks here... ;-)

[BaronBonBaron]

Beta - Sometime next week.
Final Patch - Middle of March (About 4 weeks from today.)
:)

[ATAG_Dutch]

Bleh. Didn't vote. If it comes or if it doesn't, I'll still have a laugh. As long as if and when it does come, the game doesn't crash with every explosion - like last time. :rolleyes:

[xpzorg]

thursday-23 february is holiday in Russia. MG not working.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defender_of_the_Fatherland_Day

[machoo]

this year, hopefully..

[Damixu]

In two weeks, be sure. ;)

[airmalik]

Before the whining about the patch starts

[senseispcc]

One day maybe the next certainly ...:rolleyes:

[Allons!]

Two months from now on..

[DroopSnoot]

Anyone else really excited to see if we get a beta patch tomorrow?
I'm sure the odds are really stacked against it but I can hope i guess.
I'm Really looking forward to hearing the extra sounds more than anything especially as Luthier said quite a while back that aircraft sound alive now inside the cockpit.

When the Beta does arrive what is everyone looking forward to the most?

For me I think its hearing the new sounds first and of course the updated graphics engine second.

[ACE-OF-ACES]

If it does great.. If it doesn't that is fine too.. I would rather they take thier time than rush it out.. Last thing we need is another bug sneaking into the code for people to get upset about

[albx]

Anyone else really excited to see if we get a beta patch tomorrow?
I'm sure the odds are really stacked against it but I can hope i guess.
I'm Really looking forward to hearing the extra sounds more than anything especially as Luthier said quite a while back that aircraft sound alive now inside the cockpit.

When the Beta does arrive what is everyone looking forward to the most?

For me I think its hearing the new sounds first and of course the updated graphics engine second.

not tomorrow, instead you'll have screenshots of tanks and trains probably...

I fear that tomorrow will be only screenshots of the sequel.
To this there are certain reasons.

[kristorf]

Not being a 'doubting Thomas', but I will only believe it once it's installed in my Steam floder

[SiThSpAwN]

not tomorrow, instead you'll have screenshots of tanks and trains probably...

Yes because after months of begging for more information and regular updates we are going to slam the updates we are now getting because its not what this person or that person wants to see... :rolleyes:

[DroopSnoot]

Tomorrow will be screenshots of the IL-2 and may be the cockpit of IL-2.

Dissapointed.
I dont see the point in posting a week ago that the team is preparing the beta if I'm honest, hopefully the issue will not force the development team to have to wait another week to release.

[albx]

Yes because after months of begging for more information and regular updates we are going to slam the updates we are now getting because its not what this person or that person wants to see... :rolleyes:

explain please... is this refered to me?

[kristorf]

explain please... is this refered to me?

Wondering that one myself???????

[zapatista]

not tomorrow, instead you'll have screenshots of tanks and trains probably...

yea i just read the same in the russian thread (more il2 aircraft screenshots), disappointing there is still no patch to be released.

[kestrel79]

I'm fine with seeing more more sequel pics. Hope to see more of the new terrain as well as some new planes!

I'm also probably most excited about the new sounds in the upcoming patch. I thought the last patch with the new sounds made this a WHOLE new sim. No more rehashed IL2 sounds. The RoF guy did an amazing job, can't wait to see what he has cooked up this time.

Also looking forward to the fps boost. That will be quite nice as well when flying low. Maybe can turn up some details too.

[mister26]

These patch making guys are slowly killing my inner child....

26

[rga]

You guys are really spoiled, aren't you. Luthier and IL-2 developers are the most generous team I've ever seen in the gaming industry. Most games are not supported longer than one year, with handful of patches, many of them only to fix the bugs caused by previous one. Newer contents in patches are rare, most force us to buy DLC or expansion pack. Take "Empire Total War" as an example of how irresponsible a developer can be. This game was one of the most expected in history and ended up as a bugfest. Patches only came occasionally and did not really fix anything. Any history fan will facepalm to death when they see how inaccurate this game is. Finally, EA just conveniently dropped the game. The story didn't end there. They developed another game in the series called "Napoleon total war", which was a little bit better than an expansion pack, and sold it with full price. Well, at least most bugs are eliminated in the new game.
Luthier does surprise me with his supporting policy. And mind you: CloD is a very playable game. It's not perfect, it still has some bugs and performane issues, but it's playable and enjoyable. Luthier can stop here and go on making BoM, noone can really blame him, since it's the norm in game industry. But he does not do it, for that alone I'm graceful enough.
Each time I want to complain about the reversed mixture lever in the Spitfire, I talk to myself: well, at least that is historically much more accurate than the Redcoats firing tracers in the XVIII century.

[Kankkis]

Total War series is published by Sega ;)

[DroopSnoot]

You guys are really spoiled, aren't you. Luthier and IL-2 developers are the most generous team I've ever seen in the gaming industry. Most games are not supported longer than one year, with handful of patches, many of them only to fix the bugs caused by previous one. Newer contents in patches are rare, most force us to buy DLC or expansion pack. Take "Empire Total War" as an example of how irresponsible a developer can be. This game was one of the most expected in history and ended up as a bugfest. Patches only came occasionally and did not really fix anything. Any history fan will facepalm to death when they see how inaccurate this game is. Finally, EA just conveniently dropped the game. The story didn't end there. They developed another game in the series called "Napoleon total war", which was a little bit better than an expansion pack, and sold it with full price. Well, at least most bugs are eliminated in the new game.
Luthier does surprise me with his supporting policy. And mind you: CloD is a very playable game. It's not perfect, it still has some bugs and performane issues, but it's playable and enjoyable. Luthier can stop here and go on making BoM, noone can really blame him, since it's the norm in game industry. But he does not do it, for that alone I'm graceful enough.
Each time I want to complain about the reversed mixture lever in the Spitfire, I talk to myself: well, at least that is historically much more accurate than the Redcoats firing tracers in the XVIII century.

I have no idea what to make of what you just said, but i think if you cut out 90% of what you said ie the empire total war stuff as you have the wrong forum and its irrelivant to this thread, you left with a succulent 10% containing - you calling others in this thread spoiled, and you talking to yourself about redcoats firing tracers so I guess really there is only 5% relevant to this thread in what you said.

[ACE-OF-ACES]

These patch making guys are slowly killing my inner child....

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Oh I don't know.. Based on your FIRST POST in this forum I would say your childness apears to be alive and well!

That is to say your reply apears to have alot of forum history associated with it.. Yet how can that be what with this being your FIRST POST? :confused:

[furbs]

Ace, sometimes people just visit forums they dont register.

[DroopSnoot]

lol although its funny to watch the children play rough, lets play nice, no bitching.
Lets keep on track. What you looking forward to the most with the beta AoA?

[mister26]

Oh I don't know.. Based on your FIRST POST in this forum I would say your childness apears to be alive and well!

That is to say your reply apears to have alot of forum history associated with it.. Yet how can that be what with this being your FIRST POST? :confused:

I bought the game just like you bought the game ACE-OF-ACES. I am entitled to my own opinion...UNLIKE YOU, I did not put anyone down or write a long dissertation on what is wrong or right. Is this not a forum to voice our opinions, concerns and thoughts among fellow gamers who share the same passion? Or am I in the wrong place? I know one thing though, I really doubt it is a vessel for you to take pot shots at individuals just because you don't agree with their opinions....Yes, first post, being in the military doesn't afford me alot of time, so I usually read and stay behind the scenes, but this is my favorite game and I am watching its everystep with frustration more often than not. HEY this is my 2nd post!!!! AWESOME!!!!

Droopsnoot, I'm hoping they fix the CTDs...IMHO that is a game breaker for most...

VR,

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[DroopSnoot]

Very true mister26, I'm hoping they are related to the graphics engine as they wernt as bad before the last patch, so logically the re-write of code for graphics should fix it. I'm hoping too for a real fullscreen, so no flashing desktop.

[Tree_UK]

I bought the game just like you bought the game ACE-OF-ACES. I am entitled to my own opinion...UNLIKE YOU, I did not put anyone down or write a long dissertation on what is wrong or right. Is this not a forum to voice our opinions, concerns and thoughts among fellow gamers who share the same passion? Or am I in the wrong place? I know one thing though, I really doubt it is a vessel for you to take pot shots at individuals just because you don't agree with their opinions....Yes, first post, being in the military doesn't afford me alot of time, so I usually read and stay behind the scenes, but this is my favorite game and I am watching its everystep with frustration more often than not.

Droopsnoot, I'm hoping they fix the CTDs...IMHO that is a game breaker for most...

VR,

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Just report the post mate if it offends you, i thought the response was uncalled for too and Im sure an infraction will be pending.

[ACE-OF-ACES]

I am entitled to my own opinion...
Just to be crystal..

Note I never said you were NOT entitled to your opinion!

With that said I would love to hear your opinion on CoD one of these days.

As for your TMI statement.. I just found it odd.. maybe even sad?

That your first contribution (post) to this forum was to tell us all how crushed your spirt is..

You really shouldn't allow the state of a game affect you that much!

It's just a game!

[Tigertooo]

Anyone else really excited to see if we get a beta patch tomorrow?


patiently waiting, yes.
Excited:not anymore

[Jatta Raso]

I'm fine with seeing more more sequel pics. Hope to see more of the new terrain as well as some new planes!

I'm also probably most excited about the new sounds in the upcoming patch. I thought the last patch with the new sounds made this a WHOLE new sim. No more rehashed IL2 sounds. The RoF guy did an amazing job, can't wait to see what he has cooked up this time.

Also looking forward to the fps boost. That will be quite nice as well when flying low. Maybe can turn up some details too.

my thoughts exactly, i recall some dev statement about new sounds like wheels on the ground, more dynamic engine response (sound-wise that is), acting levers and little touches like that

now if only we got a glimpse at some clouds ;)

[carguy_]

The upcoming beta patch is not really my cup of tea. I can live with all of the current quirk, besides the lack of coops. I don`t find flying in df servers fun. The campaign, however interesting it may be, it is still offline play, which bores me.
My info tells me that the coop mechanics are nowhere to be seen, so meh, I will wait some more. No biggie.
Maaaaaybe if the patch gets to be succesful in terms of playing stability and fps performance, I may just try out one of the custom campaigns.

Probably the real thing that I`m looking for in CloD is another year away. Doesn`t really bother me. I find that nowadays video game market is so huge, that when I think of potential time-killers while waiting for the real thing, I immediately get around 6 big titles. And it doesn`t change over time, because new ones are being released month by month. So when I think of waiting for CloD to floourish, I am positive it will work out well at the time I get other things straight. There are so many other things to do.

Bottom line is, if life doesn`t let me down and I don`t get bad luck, I will be able to come up with a new cpu in fall of this year, so I`ll be ready to fire up CloD in settings near full of its graphical prowess. Ready for BoM also as a day one buy, preferably the CE version of it.

[priller26]

One has no choice really but to wait it out and its here when its here, not much is going to change that. I can wait, its not a huge issue. On a side note, I've found imo most games after a year have well worked through their bugs, just a thought, to pass the time.

[priller26]

patiently waiting, yes.
Excited:not anymore

Sums it up rather well

[Hunden]

Just to be crystal..

Note I never said you were NOT entitled to your opinion!

With that said I would love to hear your opinion on CoD one of these days.

As for your TMI statement.. I just found it odd.. maybe even sad?

That your first contribution (post) to this forum was to tell us all how crushed your spirt is..

You really shouldn't allow the state of a game affect you that much!

It's just a game!

He was just making a simple statement, you really shouldn't let the state of his spirit affect you so. Its just a comment!

[nearmiss]

You should not expect a patch tomorrow. Patch releases are very big news and everyone is very excited about them. The developer knows that and usually shares information about a patch prior to release.

[machoo]

TBH I don't care. if the patch comes out i'll probably play it for 10mins and think " meh " and go back to iRacing.

[David198502]

for me the most pressing issues im interested in are in the following order of importance:

-flight models(as realistic as possible please)

-ai behaviour(im tired of 36 planes dont dare to attack me for more than two minutes only because i shot a few of them out of the sky.and im even more tired of getting on their six to shoot steady targets, not reacting anyway while one after the other ends in the channel)

-graphic engine optimisation(hopefully no launchercrashes, dot visibility problem
solved,more fps)

[sorak]

i want horses.. fully 3d modeled horses running in fields.. and a i want a dm and physics on them.

[addman]

i want horses.. fully 3d modeled horses running in fields.. and a i want a dm and physics on them.

Why? cows not good enough for ya?!;)

[Immermann]

i want horses.. fully 3d modeled horses running in fields.. and a i want a dm and physics on them.

Well, why not? :)
I remember playing a horse jumping event (in wireframe 3d no less) in an Olympic game on my Amiga around the 92 Barcelona olympics.

[ACE-OF-ACES]

He was just making a simple statement, you really shouldn't let the state of his spirit affect you so. Its just a comment!
I bought the game just like you bought the game Hunden. I am entitled to my own opinion...

Just Kidding! ;)

Anyway, your right, I shouldn't have even bother replying to such a silly statement.. But I just found it to be a very strange first contribution to the forum (read 1st post) and felt the need to find out more about what motivated such a statement

[DroopSnoot]

Did you say co-op AoA? Poor you at least with mine (sound) will be better within a year hopefully :-P

Hang in there chief.

TBH, i really miss co-op too, in fact it makes the game suck without it.
I used to love flying the 633 Sqn mission in '46 with my friends, flying up that fjord with flak bursting all around was great.

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Did you say co-op AoA?
?

[furbs]

Did you say co-op AoA? Poor you at least with mine (sound) will be better within a year hopefully :-P

Hang in there chief.

TBH, i really miss co-op too, in fact it makes the game suck without it.
I used to love flying the 633 Sqn mission in '46 with my friends, flying up that fjord with flak bursting all around was great.


My sqd was just playing that mission the other day in IL2, GREAT FUN!

COOPs are very very much needed i can not see why Luthier refuses to re-look into it.

[DroopSnoot]

?
Beg pardon mate, was carguy who said about co-op :shock:

[swiss]

i want horses.. fully 3d modeled horses running in fields.. and a i want a dm and physics on them.

I want squirrels in the trees. :/

[Aer9o]

...tomorrow never comes!;)

[machoo]

My sources tell me tomorrow is the day

[Icebear]

"You is wrong...."

[senseispcc]

There shall never be a NEW patch but a new module: 1941.
NO PATCH for COD.:shock:

[Aer9o]

:grin:I want squirrels in the trees. :/

[senseispcc]

Yes, tomorrow, but not today, never is better than tomorrow, I say never, there shall never be a next patch only the next module of the game: 1941 !
The waiting game is a never ending game... tomorrow everything is free.

[DroopSnoot]

Originally Posted by swiss
I want squirrels in the trees. :/

Yeah ones that go for your neck when you get out of your cockpit

http://fc06.deviantart.net/fs48/f/2009/180/f/1/Killer_Squirrel_by_The_Chan.jpg

[swiss]

nice ps, squirrels are rodents.:grin:

[Hunden]

No update this friday, no difference I guess:shock:

[CWMV]

To be fair Black Six has been great about keeping the updates regular.
Doesn't mean I'm thrilled about the content, but we cant really complain that there isn't any communication now.
Now they just aren't listening!

[Verhängnis]

Russia gets too many holdiays! :mad: Must be all those 'revolutions' they have to celebrate...

[Tree_UK]

We wont miss anything guys, its not a big deal, it would of been more pics of Il2's and I-16's and a 'we are very close to releasing the patch but a last minute glitch'.... blah blah blather.....

[Chivas]

Ya the patch was finished weeks ago but the developers just love watching the whingers whinge. Its become a national pastime, its just so easy.

[addman]

We wont miss anything guys, its not a big deal, it would of been more pics of Il2's and I-16's and a 'we are very close to releasing the patch but a last minute glitch'.... blah blah blather.....

Part of me wants to say "no Tree you are wrong" but I kinda know he is right in this case. Still, I do appreciate the Friday updates since it's a whole lot better than more of what we get here all the other days, nothing!:-(

[furbs]

Blacksix, instead of pics or video for the update maybe you could ask Luthier to take a look at my questions from last week?
Im sure the community would be more than happy.

here they are again...

Since there is no patch this week*, please could you ask Luthier to take some time to answer these very very important questions to the best of his knowledge.

1) Will the patch fix the CTD(MEM leak)

2) What changes in the FM will we see in the patch?

3) What improvements can we expect in the AI?

4) Have the radio commands been worked on and fixed?

5) Has the ground handling been addressed?

6) Distant LoD model visibility fixed for aircraft and ground objects?

7) How close are the server docs and SDK away from release?

8 ) Has Luthier looked again at the issue of COOPs?

9) Will the FPS boost allow FSAA to be addressed and improved?

Thanks very much Blacksix and i hope you can inform Luthier about these important questions

[Chivas]

There seems to alot of knowledge here on how easy it should be to create WW2 Combat Flight sim from 1's and 0's. I know the developer would be terrified if we put all the talent gathered here to give them some competition. LMFAO

[slm]

there was an update on last Friday

[Tree_UK]

There seems to alot of knowledge here on how easy it should be to create WW2 Combat Flight sim from 1's and 0's. I know the developer would be terrified if we put all the talent gathered here to give them some competition. LMFAO

Are you Ok Chivas, your acting a little strange?

[=FI=Scott]

I know the drill well enough so far as not telling us when a patch is coming out but could they tell us when it isnt ?

Namely can B6 confirm that the patch will not be released this week ? (please)

[David198502]

well then "You will see the beta graphics patch very shortly" obviously means two weeks be sure.
i really get impatient now.all we get is

"for some reason the beta patch is delayed"
why?
...no answer
what will it contain?
...no answer
when can we expect it?
"very shortly"
...
"no update this week"

i really love the communication with us!

[albx]

great, got my post deleted and received an infraction only because i was disappointed by this news.... thank you mods, this is because i bought the game and waited 1 year for a beta patch to play it.. this is how the company treat the customers?? fine...

[Tree_UK]

great, got my post deleted and received an infraction only because i was disappointed by this news.... thank you mods, this is because i bought the game and waited 1 year for a beta patch to play it.. this is how the company treat the customers?? fine...

We are all a little tetchy, but until we get news that the patch is ready then we dont really need an update, Im sure if the patch was ready the dev's would have got it sorted before their holidays, I hate to say but we do just have to be patient, and hope that all this waiting will be worth it.

[Strike]

Thanks for letting us know. At least it will avoid the usual "Oh no, the sky is falling" parade :) I'm deploying north a few weeks anyways for the winter exercise. I guess patch will be waiting for me when I get home, or at least an update :)

Seeya around in a few weeks :)

[DroopSnoot]

Thanks for letting us know. At least it will avoid the usual "Oh no, the sky is falling" parade :) I'm deploying north a few weeks anyways for the winter exercise. I guess patch will be waiting for me when I get home, or at least an update :)

Seeya around in a few weeks :)

What you do if you dont mind me asking, I'm ex mil got out in late 2007.

[mazex]

We are all a little tetchy, but until we get news that the patch is ready then we dont really need an update, Im sure if the patch was ready the dev's would have got it sorted before their holidays, I hate to say but we do just have to be patient, and hope that all this waiting will be worth it.

Who are you, and what have you done with Tree? ;)

Maybe time to call the police?

/mazex

[mazex]

Del..

[Volksieg]

We are all grateful for the communication with the team and, for those who actually understand that work on BoM does not mean that work on CloD has been shelved (We do exist. LOL), it is always nice to see developments with regards to the sequel.....

I would say the big problem is from a PR perspective. Put it this way:

Let's say you lent someone £40 and they promised they would pay you back next week..... a week passes.... you ask them were the £40 is and their reply is "Erm....ah.... I saw this brilliant program on TV the other day!"

Another week passes.... you ask them where the £40 is.

"I like cake. Cake is nice isn't it?"

A year passes....... :D

I have total faith in 1C and I am sure we will all have a working sim fairly soon but, it has to be said, it doesn't look too good and it is no wonder some people are getting riled about this. Is banning and/or heavy moderation really the answer? I would say it could only make matters a lot worse. Personally, if it was my decision, I would have kept the entire BoM stuff a secret...a wonderful surprise to blow our minds once CloD was working as, otherwise, it has a nasty way of looking like a switcheroo to the more suspicious out there.

I know one thing.... I am SO moving to Russia! Seems to be a holiday every time someone sneezes. :D

The big question is this: If, let's say, the beta patch was ready on Monday.... would it be released on Monday or would we have to wait until the following Friday due to some strange nod to tradition? Just want to know if it is worth logging in the other 6 days a week. :D

[Old-Banger]

It would not surprise me if we only get the patch when Battle of Moscow is released into the wild..........

[BlackSix]

The big question is this: If, let's say, the beta patch was ready on Monday.... would it be released on Monday or would we have to wait until the following Friday due to some strange nod to tradition?

Tell to me how the patch and Friday updates are connected among themselves? :confused::confused::confused:
If the beta patch will be ready on Monday - will be released on Monday

[csThor]

Simple. Some people are hell-bent on spreading absurd conspiracy theories on how Maddox Games gets a kick out of letting the players wither by withholding information/the patch/fixes/new aircraft or cockpits/whatever. :rolleyes:

[BlackSix]

Blacksix, instead of pics or video for the update maybe you could ask Luthier to take a look at my questions from last week?

I have answered you here:
http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=30111
You don't read own themes?

[Volksieg]

Tell to me how the patch and Friday updates are connected among themselves? :confused::confused::confused:
If the beta patch will be ready on Monday - will be released on Monday

I can't tell you. That's why I posed it as a question. ;) I have known many companies, in all manner of situations, who have operated in such a fashion so I just wondered if that may be the case here. :) A lot of people cling to the "Friday Updates" and wonder aloud "Could it be this friday?" so I am not alone in thinking that.

[pupo162]

thank god the dont have a Deadline. :rolleyes:

[Luftwaffepilot]

I have answered you here:
http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=30111
You don't read own themes?

You answered him, but not the questions ... ;)