Very short development update

[luthier]

Yes, we're alive. Me especially. I rarely feel more alive than after a morning reading of the forums!

The sound is progressing well.

General mood:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3qbB4Kq3Y0

[baronWastelan]

What more could we ask for?

[Doc_uk]

Now that was short. lol

[FG28_Kodiak]

Hope the multiplayer coop interface also? ;)

[TheEnlightenedFlorist]

I rarely feel more alive than after a morning reading of the forums!

I never feel more dead after reading the forums. :grin:

[Ibis]

At least it's good to know that the sound is coming along.
Thanks Luthier
cheers.

[JG52Krupi]

Yes, we're alive. Me especially. I rarely feel more alive than after a morning reading of the forums!

The sound is progressing well.

General mood:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3qbB4Kq3Y0

Oh god the lynch mob will be even more wound up by this and take it as a personal insult...

When do you expect the sound to be completed, could you give us an estimate?

[Pluto]

.... good to hear that things are progressing,
I hope to have a playable (on - and offline) "Cliffs of Dover" by christmas this year. In the meantime I fly "Rise of Flight".

;)

[furbs]

Luthier, thats great....now if you dont mind as im sure it would help these forums very much and give the mods a welcome rest...

Could you write maybe a sentence or 3, spending maybe 5 mins on when, where and what(patch)...

Thanks very much, your most humble servant.

furbs.

PS. im asking nobody except Luthier, not anyone else on the forum, or any mods.

[adonys]

you must be joking me.. now they started to mock us? really?!

[Kankkis]

I think we are close :grin:

[PeterPanPan]

Morning Luthier,

Priceless, unexpected and refreshing LOL :grin:

Looking forward to the next update!

PPP

[JG52Krupi]

you must be joking me.. now they started to mock us? really?!

What did I tell you... Luthier you are not dealing with reasonable people here they have no humor and any attempt at "lightening the mood" will be met with an angry response. :)

Please post some more info for everyone's sake... :|

[albx]

Thank you luthier, ;)

[albx]

you must be joking me.. now they started to mock us? really?!

adonys, c'mon... it's just a little step... don't spoil it please... ;-)

[lensman1945]

I think some of us understood that perfectly...

I'll be smiling all day:-D

[Drum_tastic]

Yes I like the light hearted update, albeit brief.

Thanks Luthier

[GF_Mastiff]

Thanks luthier, good enough for me.
Love your sense of humor. Lol

[Dano]

Tehehehehhe :D

[Ibis]

Love it,
I'll raise you a deliverance.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yt9R0I3gSk

[synti]

Yes, we're alive. Me especially. I rarely feel more alive than after a morning reading of the forums!

The sound is progressing well.

General mood:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3qbB4Kq3Y0

*yawn*

When is the game coming?

[Plt Off JRB Meaker]

you must be joking me.. now they started to mock us? really?!

Oh come on Adonys lighten up mate,what,and we have'nt been doing the same to them over the last months?,what goes around comes around mate.

See it for what it is,just a bit of fun.

[Bewolf]

*yawn*

When is the game coming?

When it's done?

lol, when there is one thing that has to be learned from IL2 updates, then it is "whatever you say can and will be used against you in court".

[Skoshi Tiger]

We'll it's good to see that the development team are in high spirts! (Unless of course Russians hate banjo music??????) All must be going well!


Cheers!


*yawn*

When is the game coming?

Um! it was released four and a half months ago, we're waiting for updates.

[Gamekeeper]

This was the recording of the background music for the third instalment of the series, 'Thunderbolts over Europe'

Come on guys smile.................

[Scarecrow]

Nice vid cheers.:)

[JG52Krupi]

I can't stop grinning :D

I think the ppl that will be hating on Luthier atm will actually be Alpha and Nearmiss ;)

[the Dutchman]

Hmmmmmmmmmm,i think the sounds sound a bit....southern?

[Dano]

I just have this mental image of several people actually foaming at the mouth :D

[utu]

Thank you luthier! :mrgreen:

[albx]

Can I ask people (both fanboys and whiners like me) please don't spoil this post quoting who don't understand the joke? If we do that we can keep this thread clean and calm... thanks

[klem]

Love it,
I'll raise you a deliverance.


Yes, but look how that ended :(

Hey, Luthier, irony is a trait of British humour. Have you applied for citizenship?
I hope there's a nice prezzie behind that cheeky smile.

Oh and thanks, for the entertainment, now THAT's talent!

[furbs]

I just have this mental image of several people actually foaming at the mouth :D



reaction to the errrr update :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzhH900EjgE&feature=related

[klem]

reaction to the update :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzhH900EjgE&feature=related

Ouch!

I hope thats not the new sound developer! Could mean a bit of a delay.

[MadTommy]

:grin:

Touché!

[ATAG_Bliss]

http://www.thetourettesguy.tv/images/video_6_px9a.jpg

[BigPickle]

Thanks for the ermm... not sure what to call it.
Not entirely sure what the point was of this but I actually feel a little embarrassed to be a member here now that i know the game developers regard the communication with customers as a joke, if that is what it was ment to be?

[MadTommy]

I wonder if the mods will make this one a sticky? :) I hope so.

[Norseman]

wow..those kids :)
with that speed I think we`ll have
a sound-patch to day..lol

Thank You :)

[Allons!]

Yes, we're alive. Me especially. I rarely feel more alive than after a morning reading of the forums!The sound is progressing well.


IiiiiHaaaaaaaa! Excellent Luthier, all the best for you guys, Allons!

[Baron]

Oh come on Adonys lighten up mate,what,and we have'nt been doing the same to them over the last months?,what goes around comes around mate.

See it for what it is,just a bit of fun.


LoL, exactly.


Just imagine Luthier and team giving their "thoughts" on everything the community "released", now that would be real fun, or not. :)

[Sternjaeger II]

..I dunno what's more insane, the fact that we're keeping on being fooled around or the fanboys squeaking with joy at a sign of Luthier's posts. :confused:

At least Oleg had respect for his fanbase/customers, bravo Luthier, bravo...

uh and before you answer me, don't bother, cos there's not one rational reason in the world why we should deem this behaviour as acceptable, and surely you won't change my mind with your dogma, because to think otherwise I need facts, not humour, not sarcasm, not "hey yeah it's fine, it's coming out well" updates.

and no, I won't foam, won't smash my PC, I'll just shake my head, roll my eyes and lose yet one point in the esteem scale of Ilya Shevchenko.

[Seeker]

At least he's not lost his log in, as we feared...

[LukeFF]

I just have this mental image of several people actually foaming at the mouth :D

Yep, they're all over this thread.

[Tree_UK]

Thanks for the update Luthier, i knew you had a sense of humour, the first time I came across it was just after I installed Clod. :grin::grin:

[furbs]

Thanks for the update Luthier, i knew you had a sense of humour, the first time I came across it was just after I installed Clod. :grin::grin:

:grin: the second time was when i saw the last patch notes :)

[Tree_UK]

:grin: the second time was when i saw the last patch notes :)

.......and how fitting Luthier puts a link up to some 'Cowboy music'!! :grin:

[JG52Krupi]

I'll just shake my head, roll my eyes and lose yet one point in the esteem scale of Ilya Shevchenko.

Pssst... pssst... Oi Sternjaeger, im sure Ilya really couldn't care less about what somone on the Internet thinks of him.

[the Dutchman]

Thanks for the update Luthier, i knew you had a sense of humour, the first time I came across it was just after I installed Clod.

Whahahahaaaaaaaaaaaa...........that is f***ing hilarious!

[Rattlehead]

People were begging for "just a line or two" and here it is. :-P

[furbs]

Pssst... pssst... Oi Sternjaeger, im sure Ilya really couldn't care less about what somone on the Internet thinks of him.

Krupi, he should care, he brought Luthier's last product and hes a potential customer of his next...

[JG52Krupi]

Krupi, he should care, he brought Luthier's last product and hes a potential customer of his next...

Yes but by the time the next installment is out all we will be arguing about is the fm and why the med wasn't the next installment ;).

[Mad G]

you must be joking me.. now they started to mock us? really?!

Nagh, he´s just showing us how the Germans lost the war. It was a Russian secret weapon developed in the USA called Bluegrass. It´s deadly if you take it seriously! It´s like this wannabe flight sim, you´ve got to be a

http://img593.imageshack.us/img593/9154/clowna.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/593/clowna.jpg/)

to stand all this clownery

[JG52Uther]

Oleg plays accordian,Luthier on guitar...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1upZz3a-7iM

[furbs]

Yes but by the time the next installment is out all we will be arguing about is the fm and why the med wasn't the next installment ;).


Ahhhh the Med....such a pity....109s over Malta...p40s over the desert, hurris with cannons...

[Tree_UK]

Wow he plays the accordian far better than he makes games!! :grin:

Oleg plays accordian

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1upZz3a-7iM

[synti]

Pssst... pssst... Oi Sternjaeger, im sure Ilya really couldn't care less about what somone on the Internet thinks of him.

Maybe, maybe...but if this trend continues, there soon won´t be anyone on the internet who cares about CLOD too...
Oh and BTW, I thought the video itself was funny, and thinking of Luthier rushing around with this tune playing on background... yea´ I got the humorous point.
But seriously, in this situation, this is ridiculous. Please give us a realistic roadmap for what to expect, and I mean on the long run,´cause it´s surely gonna be one.
If it´s going to take 2 years to make this sim be like it was advertised to, fine. Just say it. Then all this BS on this forum would stop. (oh, surely not... :) )

[furbs]

Luthiers reaction to this thread...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMGlQvPBQE0&feature=related

[JG52Uther]

There were tears,there was laughter, just another day at 1C :)

[Bryan21cag]

Luthiers reaction to this thread...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMGlQvPBQE0&feature=related

Ok this one wins for funniest reaction of a game designer...

and the One where Oleg plays the accordion, gets the win for most original cover song by a video game design team
(that i must admit i listened too the whole way through lol

thanks for the laugh guys :)

[dougandtoni]

Luthiers reaction to this thread...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMGlQvPBQE0&feature=related

I cant stop laughing. furbs you are awesome

[Fjordmonkey]

I think Luthier's response was funny as hell, to be honest, and hey, at least it's SOME news. It's 100% better than NO news.

You have screamed for some news, even if it's just a line or two. Now you have it. You have gotten what you asked for.

I find it hard to take anyone that's foaming at the mouth about this thread seriously.

[SaQSoN]

Yes, we're alive. Me especially.
May I express my doubt in regard to this? ;)

[Tree_UK]

Back to reality for a moment Luthier and whilst you are in such a joyous mood, is it possible you can tell us how you are getting on with fixing co-op missions, unlike some of the other problems this one was broken out of the box. Its something that all squads enjoy doing especially for training etc, and it is in my opinion a very important feature of the game.

You stated shortly after release that your main priority was to get DX11 working and I guess you are close after 5 months but could you start work if possible on the co-op's asap.

Many Thanks

Tree (your comedy chum):grin:

[Meusli]

Thanks Luthier, it's a shame the usual suspects are here with their pitchforks and burning torches again but as they say "a leopard can't change it's spots".

[Tree_UK]

Thanks Luthier, it's a shame the usual suspects are here with their pitchforks and burning torches again but as they say "a leopard can't change it's spots".

Come on lighten up Meusli, its all good fun..... isnt it?

[Madfish]

They ARE still alive! And the cake is NOT a lie!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RthZgszykLs

Most probably won't understand this anyways judging from some of the responses. :D

[JG52Krupi]

Thanks Luthier, it's a shame the usual suspects are here with their pitchforks and burning torches again but as they say "a leopard can't change it's spots".

Or a tree can't change it's bark :-P sorry tree had to do it.

On a serious note everyone here wants different things some want coop others single player and ppl like me that want multiplayer sorted out first, it's hard to satisfy everyone... But the main thing is that both the positive and negative posters here all want the same thing, a replacement for 1946 and we will get it... at some point.

Its good to see that most ppl are liking the humour in Luthier post rather than throwing the toys out of the pram again :D

[skarden]

hehe nice one,put a smile on my face :)

p.s. those kids are bloody amazing,what talent!

[Skoshi Tiger]

But seriously, in this situation, this is ridiculous. Please give us a realistic roadmap for what to expect, and I mean on the long run,´cause it´s surely gonna be one.


But he has already done that. Haven't you read the previous updates?

[JG52Krupi]

But he has already done that. Haven't you read the previous updates?

Tiger I have tried that.. You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink :|

[addman]

Lol! thanks for the update Luthier. It's sooo funny to read this thread because it's sooo obvious that "some" people are playing along with the joke but if you read "their" posts closely you can tell "they" are actually ticked off. Mission accomplished Luthier! I dig your style.:cool:

[Opitz]

Yes, we're alive. Me especially. I rarely feel more alive than after a morning reading of the forums!

The sound is progressing well.

General mood:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3qbB4Kq3Y0

Does it means Luthier is having good mood, because he already resolved conflicts with .NET which are causing the crashes? Man, that's good news!:cool:

[von Pilsner]

Yes, we're alive. Me especially. I rarely feel more alive than after a morning reading of the forums!

The sound is progressing well.

Good to hear... :)

[JimmyBlonde]

Yes, we're alive. Me especially. I rarely feel more alive than after a morning reading of the forums!

The sound is progressing well.

General mood:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3qbB4Kq3Y0

I am assured that this project it in good hands.

:grin:

[Sternjaeger II]

Pssst... pssst... Oi Sternjaeger, im sure Ilya really couldn't care less about what somone on the Internet thinks of him.

yeah it's quite obvious, the fact that he's in charge of PR for a software house that has sold for good a rough beta is obvious too, as it's obvious that he has no respect whatsoever for his customers.

Take the sound example for a minute: they hired a sound engineer AFTER the game was released.. the scenario that is starting to depict is quite simple: they were forced to release a game, whilst keeping the original roadmap they had planned, and instead of giving some kind of explanation they keep on joking about it, like nothing happened.

Reality check my friends, reality check..

[synti]

But he has already done that. Haven't you read the previous updates?

I try to state it clearer... I know that some of you folks are running this sim perfectly and are extremely satisfied. That is great, it really is but to some of us (this includes me) the game is still pretty much in the same state, especially performance-wise as it was on the initial release.

Ok, I admit, performace has improved somewhat, but I really expected more performance gain in the timeframe of 5 months. And before you jump on me; I´m know my way around computers and optimizations and I´m willing to do that (I play Arma II afterall :) ), but at certain point I came to realize that (at least for my setup) there is no point trying to optimize anymore. Something´s got to be done to the core of the sim itself. This belief is amplified by the fact that I run ROF (not so hardware demanding) and DCS A-10 (pretty damn demanding) everything maxed out with great frame rates.

So, what I´m trying to say is this; to guys that struggle with performance, the patch and work-in-progress details in previous posts by Luthier give little comfort. For us (and believe me, I really am not the only one, you can see that when you look around other forums that are not infected by this utterly stupid "fanboy-whiner war") game in many parts looks ugly, performs badly and feels that it needs a major overhaul. Not some new mineboats, or even some things (like the quality of the sounds) that could, on other conditions considered pretty important.

To us, fixing the performance is the paramount right now.

I don´t think that stating this could hurt anyone´s feelings or ignite other flaming war.

[Meusli]

yeah it's quite obvious, the fact that he's in charge of PR for a software house that has sold for good a rough beta is obvious too, as it's obvious that he has no respect whatsoever for his customers.

Take the sound example for a minute: they hired a sound engineer AFTER the game was released.. the scenario that is starting to depict is quite simple: they were forced to release a game, whilst keeping the original roadmap they had planned, and instead of giving some kind of explanation they keep on joking about it, like nothing happened.

Reality check my friends, reality check..

You need to take a deep breath before you have an aneurysm. Oleg stated ages ago that he had to release the game before Christmas last year as he was out of cash. How he got to spring is anyone's guess but I am prepared to cut them some slack even though I have only played 10 hours of CLOD since release. Luthier now has some breathing space and is finishing the sim for us to make his future and ours bright. Take the hate and use that energy for something useful.

[furbs]

Lets be clear, Luthiers post is not a "update"...its just a funny post.

[Fjordmonkey]

Lets be clear, Luthiers post is not a "update"...its just a funny post.

Sorry, but line #2 in his post does seem like an update to me. Quick and short one, yes, but an update none the less. Maybe not what we'd like to see (I'd love to see a better roadmap for fixes etc), but hey, at least it's SOMETHING.

Again, 100% of something is better than 100% of nothing.

[LoBiSoMeM]

Lets be clear, Luthiers post is not a "update"...its just a funny post.

"The sound is progressing well."

It's an update. We read that sound engine was a headache to dev team, and will be remake from scratch. Now Luthier says that this issue is "progressing well".

Good enough.

[JG1_Wanderfalke]

why do we need a sound patch ?
we aldready have some very good sound mods
i dont think they will beat them.

What we need are good textures.

[Helrza]

Yes, we're alive. Me especially. I rarely feel more alive than after a morning reading of the forums!

The sound is progressing well.

General mood:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3qbB4Kq3Y0



LMFAOROFL :D gold :D

[furbs]

"The sound is progressing well."

It's an update. We read that sound engine was a headache to dev team, and will be remake from scratch. Now Luthier says that this issue is "progressing well".

Good enough.
No, if it was a "update" it would of also been posted at the COD russian website, Luthier hasnt made a post there since the 1st of July, this is just a post.

But, it seems you are very very easily pleased, good for you. :)

[Sternjaeger II]

You need to take a deep breath before you have an aneurysm. Oleg stated ages ago that he had to release the game before Christmas last year as he was out of cash. How he got to spring is anyone's guess but I am prepared to cut them some slack even though I have only played 10 hours of CLOD since release. Luthier now has some breathing space and is finishing the sim for us to make his future and ours bright. Take the hate and use that energy for something useful.

Thanks for the medical recommendations, love it when people get so brash and out of place because they're posting on a forum. :rolleyes:
Anyway, I know the story, it doesn't change the fact that there's better ways of handling this, if you're happing with knowing nothing about it, fair enough, I won't make a comment about it, but please have respect for people that do care and would like to know what's going on. It's not that hard, is it?

Sorry, but line #2 in his post does seem like an update to me. Quick and short one, yes, but an update none the less. Maybe not what we'd like to see (I'd love to see a better roadmap for fixes etc), but hey, at least it's SOMETHING.

Again, 100% of something is better than 100% of nothing.

I don't think I can have a constructive exchange of opinions with someone who really thinks this post is nothing but another joke, from a person that can't really afford to be only a joker..

[Allons!]

The sound is progressing well.

This is a little impression how it could be - especially the flies.. :grin:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GnHd6rNRrmM

[Tree_UK]

"The sound is progressing well."

It's an update. We read that sound engine was a headache to dev team, and will be remake from scratch. Now Luthier says that this issue is "progressing well".

Good enough.

Well we gave Luthier an update on what we (his paying customers) thought of his communication, it was in the form of a petition, the thread was removed so as not to upset our little joking friend.

[furbs]

This is a little impression how it could be - especially the flies.. :grin:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GnHd6rNRrmM

Now, im not in anyway going to compare the sound your post to the sound we have in COD, no way, im not...that would just be silly. :grin:

[Meusli]

Thanks for the medical recommendations, love it when people get so brash and out of place because they're posting on a forum. :rolleyes:
Anyway, I know the story, it doesn't change the fact that there's better ways of handling this, if you're happing with knowing nothing about it, fair enough, I won't make a comment about it, but please have respect for people that do care and would like to know what's going on. It's not that hard, is it?



I don't think I can have a constructive exchange of opinions with someone who really thinks this post is nothing but another joke, from a person that can't really afford to be only a joker..

I know a lot about it as I have been following development for years, I also have no respect for people who go on and on like a broken record. You have information that you refuse to hear and demand more and more detail that you won't get. Hence the calm down statement as you are doing your blood pressure no good, history has shown a bit of humour in a dark place can be a good thing lest we all go mad.

[Meusli]

Well we gave Luthier an update on what we (his paying customers) thought of his communication, it was in the form of a petition, the thread was removed so as not to upset our little joking friend.

You sound upset Tree_UK just remember it's all good fun..... isnt it?

[kammo]

Well we gave Luthier an update on what we (his paying customers) thought of his communication, it was in the form of a petition, the thread was removed so as not to upset our little joking friend.

Tree I suggest you read this article: http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2011/jul/24/internet-anonymity-trolling-tim-adams?CMP=twt_gu

[SYN_Repent]

hey kammo :)

[Mysticpuma]

Next update fixes graphics:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pyu0w1fzyIc

[Carcusrex]

What's this, Luthier... you're reading the forums in the morning instead of working on the fix?

I suppose the next thing you'll tell us is that you take time out from patching to actually sleep for 8 hrs every night?!? The nerve! :-D

[JG52Krupi]

Next update fixes graphics:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pyu0w1fzyIc

Dammit puma stop posting wop videos here...

[Sternjaeger II]

I know a lot about it as I have been following development for years, I also have no respect for people who go on and on like a broken record. You have information that you refuse to hear and demand more and more detail that you won't get. Hence the calm down statement as you are doing your blood pressure no good, history has shown a bit of humour in a dark place can be a good thing lest we all go mad.

well the fact that you have no respect for people that have a different opinion and would like to be heard is your problem, not mine.

I have been listening to the same information you have, you draw your conclusions based on your experience, so do I.

I dunno whether I should feel sorry about the fact that my blood pressure is regular (in fact a bit too low lately)? Please help me understanding.

Or maybe it's just a case of you being a troll, deliberately poking people that are not happy just to stir some mess and then point fingers? Who knows..

Again, feel free to explain, I (unlike you) am a very tolerant person.

[Ali Fish]

meh. whats the damn point anymore.

[Artist]

Luthier's post was a hint...

... to the May 2018 release of IL-2, codename "Han" (look what appears in the background at 0:30)

Come on guys: Have humor.

[Sternjaeger II]

Luthier's post was a hint...

... to the May 2018 release of IL-2, codename "Han" (look what appears in the background at 0:30)

Come on guys: Have humor.

I would agree if there was something to laugh about, in my humble opinion there's not much to laugh about, last thing we need from Luthier is jokes: a serious update and a joke, well played; a joke by itself, not fun.. that's all. Still, feel free to find this humorous.

[Tree_UK]

Luthier's post was a hint...

... to the May 2018 release of IL-2, codename "Han" (look what appears in the background at 0:30)

Come on guys: Have humor.

5 months after releasing a half finished game, this is the best the guy can do to update his paying customers, sheer arrogance in my opinion.

[Meusli]

well the fact that you have no respect for people that have a different opinion and would like to be heard is your problem, not mine.

I have been listening to the same information you have, you draw your conclusions based on your experience, so do I.

I dunno whether I should feel sorry about the fact that my blood pressure is regular (in fact a bit too low lately)? Please help me understanding.

Or maybe it's just a case of you being a troll, deliberately poking people that are not happy just to stir some mess and then point fingers? Who knows..

Again, feel free to explain, I (unlike you) am a very tolerant person.


You seem very twitchy for a person who is very tolerant. I responded to your post because it seemed quite angry as you used bolded text and told us all to get a reality check. You said "they were forced to release a game" I explained what I knew from the years I have read the updates for your benefit, yes they were forced to release the game early.

I also have no problem with you not liking the game or being disappointed in it, I just don't understand all the hate you and your buddies spew on these forums multiple times a day like you are doing everyone a favour. I would not mind if the spewing so much if it was of a different nature every time it was dribbled out, but alas it is not.

[kammo]

Hey Rep!

[furbs]

Luthier, you say you have spent the morning reading the forums right?

The mood of alot (not all, but a high percentage) of people here has been more like this as regarding communication from you ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvCrlfZvsLM&feature=related


You might of been able to tell from the posts and petitions, but they were removed.

Your a intelligent guy im sure, so i cant help wonder why you posted what you did. All it would do is upset and wind up the forum even more. I and alot of others here are left confused as to your intentions.

By all means have a laugh and a joke, but please add something that a high percentage (but not all)of your customers have been asking for.

Furbs

[lothar29]

Sense of Humor does? I will not say anything bad, but not good. for me this is equal to nothing...I still like that a month ago, without knowing how it evolves the work...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmF2ybYf62Q



OOo thanks luthier for nothing

[Ze-Jamz]

Well cheers for the update...

I'm guessing that's what it was?

[bongodriver]

Boo hoo! <------- in a generic sense.....not aimed at anyone in particular

[Ali Fish]

on one hand i was annoyed to see luthier post that. but on the other if luthier wants to get in the habbit of posting more relaxed posts then we shouldn't get in the way of that. Embrace it.

make some noise if your livin' coz none of it matters. but its funny all the same.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evA-R9OS-Vo

[Phazon]

Anyone else find it ironic that a "Luthier" is actually someone who makes and repairs stringed instruments. Coincidence? ;)

[robtek]

Those People, which get upset about this humorous update-post from luthier, don't deserve better!

[danjama]

These are the characteristic posts that we will remember and laugh about in 5 or 10 years - when the game is well into its life cycle and nothing new is on the horizon anymore.

So stfu moaning.

[150GCT_Veltro]

I love humor myself!

Here we go!

What about this one, actually is still better and more immersive than CoD!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFunfdyt2mI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhO94FPfb0w&feature=related

[lothar29]

I love humor myself!

Here we go!

What about this one, actually is still better and more immersive than CoD!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFunfdyt2mI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhO94FPfb0w&feature=related

:lol::lol::grin::mrgreen::mrgreen:

[Mysticpuma]

Dammit puma stop posting wop videos here...

I thought it would help Luthier have hope of what he could achieve from what he already has! Maybe he can aspire to the level you saw in my WoP post ;)

[Fjordmonkey]

I don't think I can have a constructive exchange of opinions with someone who really thinks this post is nothing but another joke, from a person that can't really afford to be only a joker..

If you feel that you cannot have a constructive exchange of opinions with me, then that is your own beef.

I choose to view Luthier's post as an update, since it technically contains an update. I choose to view that post as 100% better than nothing at all, and I'm content with that. Is it as good as I'd hope? Of course not. But I'll still take it.

You, on the other hand, do nothing but wail, moan and spew vitriol onto the boards with just about every post. If not doing the same makes me a joker, then so be it.

I would like a clarification from you as to why I can't really afford to be only a joker, if you please.

[furbs]

These are the characteristic posts that we will remember and laugh about in 5 or 10 years - when the game is well into its life cycle and nothing new is on the horizon anymore.

So stfu moaning.


If COD is all that we ALL want in 10 years, i will laugh with you.

[lothar29]

Those People, which get upset about this humorous update-post from luthier, don't deserve better!

Not? I and others have not paid the same Simulator to your? perhaps is that we do not have as much patience as you! as I said in other posts to my sold me the game as if was a finished product, and I'm tired of that reproach the people as I claim what actually is up, a simulator that works well...


In fact, I am not angry with the team of luthier, I'm angry with UBISOFT, is why I have complained to them more than 4 times and secure it continuare complaining.
luthier only asking you is something very simple, to report to their clients without ironies now I believe that not you can afford them...
people who you think well, very well for you, but do not try shut up that if we mean what we think...

[Sternjaeger II]

You seem very twitchy for a person who is very tolerant. I responded to your post because it seemed quite angry as you used bolded text and told us all to get a reality check. You said "they were forced to release a game" I explained what I knew from the years I have read the updates for your benefit, yes they were forced to release the game early.

I also have no problem with you not liking the game or being disappointed in it, I just don't understand all the hate you and your buddies spew on these forums multiple times a day like you are doing everyone a favour. I would not mind if the spewing so much if it was of a different nature every time it was dribbled out, but alas it is not.

there's no hate, hate would be posting "CURSE YOU, MADDOX GAMES! I'M UNINSTALLING THIS PIECE OF C**P THING YOU MADE COS IT AIN'T WORKING!! I'M GONNA SUE YOUR A** AND THEN RUN TO MY DOCTOR FOR ANTI-DEPRESSANTS!!!"
I actually do like the sim and its potential, despite being buggy and half finished. There's great, great possibilities with this engine.

What I don't like is that the lead developer of a game that we paid for feels entitled to behave like this, not as an alternative like "here's the updates.. now for the funny side of things, check this out..", but as "hey, here's what I think of you, you're just a bunch of whiney monkeys who's gonna do what I say and take anything I say for good".

I would really like to see what your reaction would be if you were at the receiving end of all this on another daily life situation: as someone else wisely posted, it's like having a sports car that you can enjoy every now and then, because you work all the week and have a family/chores to take care of, and when you finally sit in it, hoping that all the money that you spent for were for a good cause, it won't work as promised. 5 months after you bought it the dealer answers to your right questions "yeah, we're working on it, it's gonna be fine, in the mean time have a look at this random video, we really think of you as a valued customer!"


P.S.
As for the bold, it's not shouting, it's stressing on something, caps is shouting.

[dpd1977]

:lol::lol::grin::mrgreen::mrgreen:

That was the old Lucasfilm game which paled in comparison to their Secret Weapons of the Luftwaffe (SWOTL).

The BOB game was way less advanced. Loved playing SWOTL and that's what got me into flight sims in the first place.

[lothar29]

there's no hate, hate would be posting "CURSE YOU, MADDOX GAMES! I'M UNINSTALLING THIS PIECE OF C**P THING YOU MADE COS IT AIN'T WORKING!! I'M GONNA SUE YOUR A** AND THEN RUN TO MY DOCTOR FOR ANTI-DEPRESSANTS!!!"
I actually do like the sim and its potential, despite being buggy and half finished. There's great, great possibilities with this engine.

What I don't like is that the lead developer of a game that we paid for feels entitled to behave like this, not as an alternative like "here's the updates.. now for the funny side of things, check this out..", but as "hey, here's what I think of you, you're just a bunch of whiney monkeys who's gonna do what I say and take anything I say for good".

I would really like to see what your reaction would be if you were at the receiving end of all this on another daily life situation: as someone else wisely posted, it's like having a sports car that you can enjoy every now and then, because you work all the week and have a family/chores to take care of, and when you finally sit in it, hoping that all the money that you spent for were for a good cause, it won't work as promised. 5 months after you bought it the dealer answers to your right questions "yeah, we're working on it, it's gonna be fine, in the mean time have a look at this random video, we really think of you as a valued customer!"


P.S.
As for the bold, it's not shouting, it's stressing on something, caps is shouting.

I am totally agree with what you say.

[David Hayward]

you must be joking me.. now they started to mock us? really?!

Yes, really. I don't blame them.

[Lant]

I just registered to tell you the following: I bought an incomplete alpha techdemo for the prize of a full game, and the developers only have time for bad jokes that border on mocking.

I will never buy a game from 1C again.

[JG52Krupi]

Oh nooo David is on quick lock the thread... ;)

Seriously though this thread should be locked an definitely not be made a sticky...

[lothar29]

That was the old Lucasfilm game which paled in comparison to their Secret Weapons of the Luftwaffe (SWOTL).

The BOB game was way less advanced. Loved playing SWOTL and that's what got me into flight sims in the first place.

I started with this Simulator

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQ6qhisVPeA

[David Hayward]

Oh nooo David is on quick lock the thread... ;)

Seriously though this thread should be locked an definitely not be made a sticky...

As funny as this is, he made a mess of things for the moderators.

[Sternjaeger II]

If you feel that you cannot have a constructive exchange of opinions with me, then that is your own beef.

I choose to view Luthier's post as an update, since it technically contains an update. I choose to view that post as 100% better than nothing at all, and I'm content with that. Is it as good as I'd hope? Of course not. But I'll still take it.

You, on the other hand, do nothing but wail, moan and spew vitriol onto the boards with just about every post. If not doing the same makes me a joker, then so be it.

I would like a clarification from you as to why I can't really afford to be only a joker, if you please.

you obviously read only certain posts, cos there's plenty of useful posts made by me, have a look when you have time..

As for the request for a clarification, I'm afraid there's a lost in translation issue here, I wasn't referring to you, but to Luthier.

[MACADEMIC]

Anyone else find it ironic that a "Luthier" is actually someone who makes and repairs stringed instruments. Coincidence? ;)

Good find,

I didn't know that! Great joke, finely played.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luthier

MAC

[Meusli]

there's no hate, hate would be posting "CURSE YOU, MADDOX GAMES! I'M UNINSTALLING THIS PIECE OF C**P THING YOU MADE COS IT AIN'T WORKING!! I'M GONNA SUE YOUR A** AND THEN RUN TO MY DOCTOR FOR ANTI-DEPRESSANTS!!!"
I actually do like the sim and its potential, despite being buggy and half finished. There's great, great possibilities with this engine.

What I don't like is that the lead developer of a game that we paid for feels entitled to behave like this, not as an alternative like "here's the updates.. now for the funny side of things, check this out..", but as "hey, here's what I think of you, you're just a bunch of whiney monkeys who's gonna do what I say and take anything I say for good".

I would really like to see what your reaction would be if you were at the receiving end of all this on another daily life situation: as someone else wisely posted, it's like having a sports car that you can enjoy every now and then, because you work all the week and have a family/chores to take care of, and when you finally sit in it, hoping that all the money that you spent for were for a good cause, it won't work as promised. 5 months after you bought it the dealer answers to your right questions "yeah, we're working on it, it's gonna be fine, in the mean time have a look at this random video, we really think of you as a valued customer!"


P.S.
As for the bold, it's not shouting, it's stressing on something, caps is shouting.

When you have a dodgy sports car and wish to complain about it how often would you? Once a month, week, day or hour? We are all in the same boat here and not one of us have a different game from the others so we all start from the same place but seems we end up at different destinations. I can tell you if you rang a garage hourly to repeat the same thing over and over again he will tell you where to go.

I take it you have played games before this and have good knowledge of games development from past titles. The fact that the developer speaks to us directly and usually weekly, with a touch of honesty as well, is more than any other software house has done in the entire history of me playing computer games. I respect that more than you would know. I have seen games that have bombed and not one of those has had the top honcho on their forums relaying information to us like Luthier does. They are usually released and abandoned, that's all we get from them.

ps I never implied you shouted.

[lothar29]

Good find,

I didn't know that! Great joke, finely played.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luthier

MAC



Dammit! Now if that! better to hitting me a shot in the head
I'm sorry, but that doesn't mean that I'm waiting for a response...

[adonys]

thing is, other software houses have a much wider market, so they can afford to not care about the customers, as there are hundreds of thousands of other customers.

simulators on the other hand are a much narrower market, and if you alienate your customers base in this market, you're toasted!

[klem]

Oleg plays accordian,Luthier on guitar...



Be afraid,

isn't that the new sound dev on the drum? So that's what the u/c will sound like!

No, don't flame me I'm just trying to stay OT or at least in the spirit of it. Or to put it another way, Luthier started it.....

I love humor myself!

Here we go!

What about this one, actually is still better and more immersive than CoD!


Veltro, Their Finest Hour was my first air combat 'sim', just before I moved to Air Warrior.

"The sound is progressing well."

It's an update. We read that sound engine was a headache to dev team, and will be remake from scratch. Now Luthier says that this issue is "progressing well".

Good enough.

Still trying to stay 'in the spirit' but to be pedantic, its not an update. We know "the sound is progressing well", he told us that last time in his "most wanted" post. An update is more like "the sound is approximately 75% complete, we estimate release in three weeks". Now wouldn't a post like that quieten things down? Well, no, because some people would still be unhappy but that's no reason not to tell us.

[David Hayward]

thing is, other software houses have a much wider market, so they can afford to not care about the customers, as there are hundreds of thousands of other customers.

simulators on the other hand are a much narrower market, and if you alienate your customers base in this market, you're toasted!

No one else is making WW2 flight sims. Where do you plan on going?

[Meusli]

thing is, other software houses have a much wider market, so they can afford to not care about the customers, as there are hundreds of thousands of other customers.

simulators on the other hand are a much narrower market, and if you alienate your customers base in this market, you're toasted!

Atari released tons of games to a wider market that were substandard and poorly supported, look what happened to them. Bad and unsupported games fail no matter the size of the fanbase. Also the competition in the popular genres is much tougher, where as the competition in flight sims is barely no existent.

[skouras]

What did I tell you... Luthier you are not dealing with reasonable people here they have no humor and any attempt at "lightening the mood" will be met with an angry response. :)

Please post some more info for everyone's sake... :|

agree

[Sternjaeger II]

When you have a dodgy sports car and wish to complain about it how often would you? Once a month, week, day or hour? We are all in the same boat here and not one of us have a different game from the others so we all start from the same place but seems we end up at different destinations. I can tell you if you rang a garage hourly to repeat the same thing over and over again he will tell you where to go.

I would refer to the dealer, who's gonna apologise, take care of it, give me a courtesy car, fix the issue and give me the car back, valeted too.

Now I don't want this much of a service, all I'm asking is that the developers, like any other developer of videogames (again, take a look at what Studio 777 and NeoQB before them did with RoF), keep their customers up to date.

You know what the real drama is? Maddox Games has always had an erratic PR managing, as a consequence some outstanding features of the sim are not even known/reported, and people randomly find out by mistake, that's the true shame.


I take it you have played games before this and have good knowledge of games development from past titles. The fact that the developer speaks to us directly and usually weekly, with a touch of honesty as well, is more than any other software house has done in the entire history of me playing computer games. I respect that more than you would know. I have seen games that have bombed and not one of those has had the top honcho on their forums relaying information to us like Luthier does. They are usually released and abandoned, that's all we get from them.

ps I never implied you shouted.

I have yes, played PC games since the times of Yeager Air Combat and similar, and I've seen them all.. my concern is a constructive one, I'm not crying for performance issues or tracers here, if you have the time and patience to look in other threads I actually do defend Maddox Games work, cos under many aspects it's spot on.

Look, it's obvious you don't want to understand my point, shall we just agree to disagree?

[adonys]

of course, even bigger software houses can't pull that of an unlimited number of times. a few times they can get over with no problem, but after a point, the giants go down even faster than the smaller ones.

[Meusli]

I would refer to the dealer, who's gonna apologise, take care of it, give me a courtesy car, fix the issue and give me the car back, valeted too.

Now I don't want this much of a service, all I'm asking is that the developers, like any other developer of videogames (again, take a look at what Studio 777 and NeoQB before them did with RoF), keep their customers up to date.

You know what the real drama is? Maddox Games has always had an erratic PR managing, as a consequence some outstanding features of the sim are not even known/reported, and people randomly find out by mistake, that's the true shame.



I have yes, played PC games since the times of Yeager Air Combat and similar, and I've seen them all.. my concern is a constructive one, I'm not crying for performance issues or tracers here, if you have the time and patience to look in other threads I actually do defend Maddox Games work, cos under many aspects it's spot on.

Look, it's obvious you don't want to understand my point, shall we just agree to disagree?

OK I can do that, I do not have the energy to keep this up for long anyhow. :D

[Ze-Jamz]

Well I have to say one thing, I wouldnt be very happy with it but I doubt very much if we ever get updates again now whether they are serious or not..

Whatever is done or said now in these forums gets trashed so I would expect just a steam update with a readme attached from now on.

Whether I aggree with the way things are going or not, whether I'm classed as troll, whiner or fanboi the fact is these forums are a mess now which not even Perma bans would sort out (and there shoul be loads of them dished out on both side of the coin here...

I wouldn't expect much at all from Luthier or the Devs from this point on...

[Feathered_IV]

The sound is progressing well...

Yes, those RoF developers are pretty onto it. :-D

[Fjordmonkey]

I wouldn't expect much at all from Luthier or and Devs from this point on...

When they face a firing-squad every time they show themselves on the boards, I can't really blame them.

[JG52Krupi]

When they face a firing-squad every time they show themselves on the boards, I can't really blame them.

Tbf with this post he did aim the red dot on his own forehead... :rolleyes:

[MadTommy]

I find it hysterical the way many make out they have taken out a mortgage to buy this game or that buying CloD was the largest investment that have made in their lives... comical. I can't step outside my front door without spending £30.

Get over it, the game was released early, in a beta state, patches are coming that with luck will rectify it... but you just need to get over the fact that you wasted 6 years beating yourselves off over weekly updates and be patient. Some pills are tough to swallow. ;-)

I bought Duke Nukem.. played it for 5 minutes.. laughed at myself for being so dumb. That was it.. i'm not spamming their forums with tosh.

[skouras]

second to that :-D

[Sternjaeger II]

I find it hysterical the way many make out they have taken out a mortgage to buy this game or that buying CloD was the largest investment that have made in their lives... comical. I can't step outside my front door without spending £30.

Get over it, the game was released early, in a beta state, patches are coming that with luck will rectify it... but you just need to get over the fact that you wasted 6 years beating yourselves off over weekly updates and be patient. Some pills are tough to swallow. ;-)

I bought Duke Nukem.. played it for 5 minutes.. laughed at myself for being so dumb. That was it.. i'm not spamming their forums with tosh.

well many people updated their rigs to keep up with the high end specs, so you can appreciate that it's not just a case of buying the game. Apparently there are people here that play ONLY IL-2/CoD, so investing in a new rig + the game is surely more than spending 30 quid to get out of their house..

..now what's that thing about spending 30 quid to get out of your house? lol

[furbs]

I find it hysterical the way many make out they have taken out a mortgage to buy this game or that buying CloD was the largest investment that have made in their lives... comical. I can't step outside my front door without spending £30.

Get over it, the game was released early, in a beta state, patches are coming that with luck will rectify it... but you just need to get over the fact that you wasted 6 years beating yourselves off over weekly updates and be patient. Some pills are tough to swallow. ;-)

I bought Duke Nukem.. played it for 5 minutes.. laughed at myself for being so dumb. That was it.. i'm not spamming their forums with tosh.


No, your spamming this forum with tosh :) in my opinion of course Tom ;)

[MadTommy]

well many people updated their rigs to keep up with the high end specs, so you can appreciate that it's not just a case of buying the game. Apparently there are people here that play ONLY IL-2/CoD, so investing in a new rig + the game is surely more than spending 30 quid to get out of their house..

..now what's that thing about spending 30 quid to get out of your house? lol

Anyone who purchased a high end PC for CloD has my sympathy.. they can PM me if they want the number of my head doctor. Because they need a check up asap. :-P

In all seriousness i do feel sorry for anyone who only plays IL2/CloD and threw £1000 at a new rig for it. But talk about a leap of faith.

No, your spamming this forum with tosh :) in my opinion of course Tom ;)

if you can't beat them.... :)

[JG52Uther]

when all else fails, theres always vodka tovarisch...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtBCOt_c_vA

Actually I think 1C modelled the tree's and colours after watching this video ;)

[the Dutchman]

but you just need to get over the fact that you wasted 6 years beating yourselves off over weekly updates and be patient.

Yeah,so much loyalty over so many years by so much fans rewarded by so little....6 years of patience seems more than enough to me.
It sucks either way you look at it!

[David Hayward]

I bought Duke Nukem.. played it for 5 minutes.. laughed at myself for being so dumb. That was it.. i'm not spamming their forums with tosh.

Same here for WoP.

[Attila]

Luthiers reaction to this thread...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMGlQvPBQE0&feature=related

Damn it! Best haircut that i have ever seen!:mrgreen:

[Gamekeeper]

Ahhh the usual effervescant atmosphere that follows an update, no wonder they come to pass so frequently

[Tree_UK]

Same here for WoP.

That may well be so, but the game worked, this one doesn't.

[David Hayward]

That may well be so, but the game worked, this one doesn't.

What's the difference? I thought it sucked. Does it matter if I stop playing because it sucks or I stop playing because it has a lot of bugs? At least the game with lots of bugs is going to be fixed.

[AndyJWest]

LOL! :-D

Nice one Luthier. The most appropriate response in a forum where the more you say, the more you get criticised.

And for the rest of you, please note that telling people about what is going to happen later doesn't make it happen sooner...

[pupo162]

ok

i LOOOOOOOLed

like... a LOT.


now: patch please

[Tickl3]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a0/Cockerel.JPG

[VO101_Tom]

Ahhh the usual effervescant atmosphere that follows an update, no wonder they come to pass so frequently

And you think that this is the causal order? :rolleyes:
There would be no trouble with the joke and the mockery if they would come beside normal informations, not instead...

[GOA_Potenz]

Alrite mate, luthier, ilya or whatever ya are called, this is the most unrespectfull post i ever see, people pay MONEY yes MONEY and you don't show yer face to say in what ya are working on, please come on, if ya dosnae have the time to do it, put a chav to do it for ya, but please don't mock on us

Sad very sad

[addman]

LOL! :-D

Nice one Luthier. The most appropriate response in a forum where the more you say, the more you get criticised.

And for the rest of you, please note that telling people about what is going to happen later doesn't make it happen sooner...

WHAAAT???!!!! I doesn't? I thought that every time Luthier posted a dev. update the patch was being finished faster and faster. :(;)

[Kankkis]

Its a only a teasing, we get info soon or maybe even new patch.

[Ze-Jamz]

You sure it was luthier?

[Pudfark]

[QUOTE=luthier;314241]Yes, we're alive. Me especially. I rarely feel more alive than after a morning reading of the forums!

The sound is progressing well.

General mood:;)

This type of "update" won't unscramble the egg...

This will:
Who?
What?
Where?
How?
Why?
When?

"You're never late? If you don't care".............

[etzi]

I'm have IL CoD now for 4 months. A simulation that does not work properly.

I have nothing of it, if Luthier wrote one single sentence in the forum. There is no timetable for anything, when the game will work properly. This is very weak.

There are problems with the graphics engine, the flight behavior, physics and so on. Sounds and effects seems to me, like from the old IL.

:(

[Sternjaeger II]

You sure it was luthier?

lol that's exactly what I thought at first! I thought "he can't be that crazy..."

[Sternjaeger II]

Its a only a teasing, we get info soon or maybe even new patch.

Luthier is not really in a position to tease anyone atm.

[David Hayward]

Luthier is not really in a position to tease anyone atm.

Luthier does not appear to share that opinion.

[Sternjaeger II]

Luthier does not appear to share that opinion.

I figured as much, thanks for the heads up!

[Tiger27]

I love humor myself!

Here we go!

What about this one, actually is still better and more immersive than CoD!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFunfdyt2mI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhO94FPfb0w&feature=related

My first flight sim, bought my first PC to play it, great game:grin:

[philip.ed]

Very funny update, Luthier, thank-you! Nice to see how human you all are :grin:

I must say though that such a humorous approach does full me with reinforced hope that, since you can feel so safe in a position to tease, that we can expect great things shortly...

I think that what we can learn, though, is that the team isn't going anywhere, which is great :cool:

[Kankkis]

Very funny update, Luthier, thank-you! Nice to see how human you all are :grin:

I must say though that such a humorous approach does full me with reinforced hope that, since you can feel so safe in a position to tease, that we can expect great things shortly...

I think that what we can learn, though, is that the team isn't going anywhere, which is great :cool:

Just my opinion too :)

[Feuerfalke]

Yes, we're alive. Me especially. I rarely feel more alive than after a morning reading of the forums!

The sound is progressing well.

General mood:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3qbB4Kq3Y0

My God!

Did you see that big Millenium Falcon in the background?

[Baron]

Alot of people making derogatory posts (monkeys sitting around a table for ex), making fun of developers in all sorts of manner calling it "constructive input" seems to have real trouble receiving it (in their opinion mind u) instead of dishing it out.

Speaks volumes imo.

[Jatta Raso]

what a load of fun:rolleyes:. if luthier comes here to read the forums, indeed he knows how to stir things up and distract a lot of ppl from asking things like "how are the clouds coming along".

btw luthier if you happen to read this, how are the clouds coming along? any progress on AI? when will be a decent and working menu system? any flight model being revised? what about the realistic water? any hint when we'll see the weather? that's for starters, as there's no point getting beyond the working basics right now. nice to know 'the sound is progressing well'.
...

as for me i also have a sense of humor and have a somewhat moody relation with the mornings, so here it goes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5irHyoRNcRY

take it with a grain of salt..

[150GCT_Veltro]

My first flight sim, bought my first PC to play it, great game:grin:

Yes, it was a superb game about the BoB. Campaign was also great even if it was ultra simplified.

After so many years, the Battle of Britain is still my favorite theater...

....."in spite of all".

[Insuber]

[QUOTE=lothar29;314416]I started with this Simulator

I've started with this one (I was very young :D)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UTyyps_cCk

It was great fun then!

[JG52Krupi]

Very funny update, Luthier, thank-you! Nice to see how human you all are :grin:

I must say though that such a humorous approach does full me with reinforced hope that, since you can feel so safe in a position to tease, that we can expect great things shortly...

I think that what we can learn, though, is that the team isn't going anywhere, which is great :cool:

This is what I am hoping it is meant to mean , big patch Friday to verify his cheek :-D!

[Sternjaeger II]

Alot of people making derogatory posts (monkeys sitting around a table for ex), making fun of developers in all sorts of manner calling it "constructive input" seems to have real trouble receiving it (in their opinion mind u) instead of dishing it out.

Speaks volumes imo.

in whose opinion mate? :confused:

[katdogfizzow]

HAHHAHA!! HILARIOUS!!!

Loving the sim so far ....spectacular scenery! Look forward to playing this for next decade!

[robtek]

We have here 176 answering posts.

92 People have posted here.

Ten of them posted negatively with up to 11 posts adding to 24 negative posts.

That means the illusions of grandeur of the "negativity-group", meaning their thinking that they are speaking for a big percentage of people, are just that, illusions.

As the people which aren't following this thread are either waiting patiently or have already shelved the sim, we see here 10, possibly lost sales for follow up products.

I believe 1c and MG can live with that.

Mouth to mouth propaganda will more than make up for that when the sim is running as it should.

[catito14]

hahaha, thanks luthier for that "update with fun" ;)

[JG52Uther]

We have here 176 answering posts.

92 People have posted here.

Ten of them posted negatively with up to 11 posts adding to 24 negative posts.

That means the illusions of grandeur of the "negativity-group", meaning their thinking that they are speaking for a big percentage of people, are just that, illusions.

As the people which aren't following this thread are either waiting patiently or have already shelved the sim, we see here 10, possibly lost sales for follow up products.

I believe 1c and MG can live with that.

Mouth to mouth propaganda will more than make up for that when the sim is running as it should.

Blimey don't you have anything better to do than analyse everything?
Hopefully some of the vids I posted in the threads make Luthier smile,thats the idea.
I thought Luthiers post was great, made me smile a lot today.Everybody takes things so seriously.You're a long time dead you know! ;)

[Tree_UK]

We have here 176 answering posts.

92 People have posted here.

Ten of them posted negatively with up to 11 posts adding to 24 negative posts.

That means the illusions of grandeur of the "negativity-group", meaning their thinking that they are speaking for a big percentage of people, are just that, illusions.

As the people which aren't following this thread are either waiting patiently or have already shelved the sim, we see here 10, possibly lost sales for follow up products.

I believe 1c and MG can live with that.

Mouth to mouth propaganda will more than make up for that when the sim is running as it should.

lol, the petition thread blows your stats to pieces, BOOM!

[JG52Krupi]

lol, the petition thread blows your stats to pieces, BOOM!

To be fair Tree the petition was about communication and even I a "Fanboy" (apparently) agreed...

[VO101_Tom]

lol, the petition thread blows your stats to pieces, BOOM!

"I believe 1c and MG can live with that." :-D

[Biggs [CV]]

The Dev team has stood behind every game they have worked on. I have no doubt that the team will get this game playable for 99% of the people who want to play it. It may take a few months, but you can't expect fast results with a game this complex.

[bongodriver]

I find it hysterical the way many make out they have taken out a mortgage to buy this game or that buying CloD was the largest investment that have made in their lives... comical. I can't step outside my front door without spending £30.

Get over it, the game was released early, in a beta state, patches are coming that with luck will rectify it... but you just need to get over the fact that you wasted 6 years beating yourselves off over weekly updates and be patient. Some pills are tough to swallow. ;-)

I bought Duke Nukem.. played it for 5 minutes.. laughed at myself for being so dumb. That was it.. i'm not spamming their forums with tosh.

I couldn't put this any better, but wasn't Duke Nukem Forever the biggest load 'o' crud to have ever graced the market, I did exactly the same, 5 minutes and a few of the cheesiest lines of innuendo and it got unninstalled.

[Gamekeeper]

lol, the petition thread blows your stats to pieces, BOOM!

The petition thread only offered one choice therefore results are skewed in your favor. A poll most probably would have yielded a different result.

[VO101_Tom]

To be fair Tree the petition was about communication and even I a "Fanboy" (apparently) agreed...

According to you, what is the topic of this thread, if not the communication? :rolleyes: The details of the development update? :-D

[VO101_Tom]

The petition thread only offered one choice therefore results are skewed in your favor. A poll most probably would have yielded a different result.

Really?
http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=24556&highlight=communication+poll

[Insuber]

Be kind with Luthier. Remember Matthew "Manic Miner" Smith's words:

"it’s common conception that managing games development teams is a very difficult job, whereas it’s probably fairer to say that it’s a totally impossible job and that nobody should be foolish enough to attempt it".

Cheers,
Insuber

[Dano]

Lol, might as well start a comparison of apples and oranges.

[Ze-Jamz]

My God!

Did you see that big Millenium Falcon in the background?

I had one of those for my 11th birthday...massive thing it was

The top came off to which exposed the turret for a figure to sit in, a removable floor panel to smuggle any guns or droids you may have seized and a round chess table where chewbacca could sit and pull off CP3O's arms when he lost..

Anyway...

''That wasnt the Millenium Falcon you were looking for...move along,move along''

~S~

[Tree_UK]

According to you, what is the topic of this thread, if not the communication? :rolleyes: The details of the development update? :-D

lol, nice one Tom, I believe thats a double, BOOM BOOM! :grin:

[philip.ed]

I had one of those for my 11th birthday...massive thing it was

The top came off to which exposed the turret for a figure to sit in, a removable floor panel to smuggle any guns or droids you may have seized and a round chess table where chewbacca could sit and pull off CP3O's arms when he lost..

Anyway...

''That wasnt the Millenium Falcon you were looking for...move along,move along''

~S~

Still got mine! :grin:

[BadgerSmedly]

My brother had the MF, Scout Walker, AT-AT etc. dozens of the figures. all originals....

He moved to NZ and left them in my Dad's loft....

Haven't got the heart to tell him that Dad cleared the loft out last year....

He didn't keep any of them. :(

[retrojet]

When you say cleared, you don't mean... Trashed?!?!?!...:confused:

[JG52Krupi]

My brother had the MF, Scout Walker, AT-AT etc. dozens of the figures. all originals....

He moved to NZ and left them in my Dad's loft....

Haven't got the heart to tell him that Dad cleared the loft out last year....

He didn't keep any of them. :(

:oops: did he not know how much originals are now or did he pocket the money :lol:

[ChocsAway]

Very funny update, Luthier, thank-you! Nice to see how human you all are :grin:

I must say though that such a humorous approach does full me with reinforced hope that, since you can feel so safe in a position to tease, that we can expect great things shortly...

I think that what we can learn, though, is that the team isn't going anywhere, which is great :cool:

It's good that you have a 'glass is half full' attitude. I wish I could share you're confidence and enthusiasm for the future of Clod.

I'm one of the ones here that finds Luthiers post at best 'flippant', and at the worst... well, somewhat insulting. I do have a sense of humour but I couldn't find anything within it to make me smile (the lad on the banjo is awesome though!).

On the other hand I've had some 48 hours with Clod and some of it was quite enjoyable. It's only in the last fortnight that I haven't touched it due to the many frustrations I'm experiencing with the sim and its being released in a half finished state. I think it's worth remembering that many on here who are being labelled whiners etc. are only cheesed off because not only does Clod not feature a significant amount of the features promised but many of the ones that are included are so broken that it will take months (if not years) to repair them. If Luthier is starting to get fed up with the forum content regarding Clod he needs to address the problem of communication (or lack of it) to the people who've forked out their hard earned cash on it. It's the least he can do to appease the feelings of the people who quite rightly IMO feel they have been shafted with the state of Clod even now a couple of months after release. To accept the shocking state that Clod was released in without complaint is madness and is just a signal to all devs out there that they can release what they want and Joe Public will accept it as a norm or a 'sign of the times'.

I've been gaming/simming since the Sinclair ZX81 came out (yeah, I'm that old!:)) and in all the years since then I don't remember there being such a hoo-haa over a game/sim release as there has been with Clod, and quite rightly so. The lack of pre-release info was enough for me to expect some problems but I certainly did not expect anyone to have the cojones to release something that was clearly still very broken and forced out of the door onto an unsuspecting community desperate for a new sim.

Had we been informed we were to be Alpha testers then that is a different matter, but we weren't! In the end for the devs and publishers it's about money and making as much as possible with as little outlay as possible and where Clod is concerned that is one of the worries. Is there enough money and commitment for Clod to be made into what it can and should be? Some seem to be convinced that the dev team aren't going anywhere...I hope that's true. I bought Silent Hunter 5 and I think I'm correct in saying that the 'plug was pulled' pretty quickly on that one, I'd hate to see Clod go the same way. :)

[Tree_UK]

It's good that you have a 'glass is half full' attitude. I wish I could share you're confidence and enthusiasm for the future of Clod.

I'm one of the ones here that finds Luthiers post at best 'flippant', and at the worst... well, somewhat insulting. I do have a sense of humour but I couldn't find anything within it to make me smile (the lad on the banjo is awesome though!).

On the other hand I've had some 48 hours with Clod and some of it was quite enjoyable. It's only in the last fortnight that I haven't touched it due to the many frustrations I'm experiencing with the sim and its being released in a half finished state. I think it's worth remembering that many on here who are being labelled whiners etc. are only cheesed off because not only does Clod not feature a significant amount of the features promised but many of the ones that are included are so broken that it will take months (if not years) to repair them. If Luthier is starting to get fed up with the forum content regarding Clod he needs to address the problem of communication (or lack of it) to the people who've forked out their hard earned cash on it. It's the least he can do to appease the feelings of the people who quite rightly IMO feel they have been shafted with the state of Clod even now a couple of months after release. To accept the shocking state that Clod was released in without complaint is madness and is just a signal to all devs out there that they can release what they want and Joe Public will accept it as a norm or a 'sign of the times'.

I've been gaming/simming since the Sinclair ZX81 came out (yeah, I'm that old!:)) and in all the years since then I don't remember there being such a hoo-haa over a game/sim release as there has been with Clod, and quite rightly so. The lack of pre-release info was enough for me to expect some problems but I certainly did not expect anyone to have the cojones to release something that was clearly still very broken and forced out of the door onto an unsuspecting community desperate for a new sim.

Had we been informed we were to be Alpha testers then that is a different matter, but we weren't! In the end for the devs and publishers it's about money and making as much as possible with as little outlay as possible and where Clod is concerned that is one of the worries. Is there enough money and commitment for Clod to be made into what it can and should be? Some seem to be convinced that the dev team aren't going anywhere...I hope that's true. I bought Silent Hunter 5 and I think I'm correct in saying that the 'plug was pulled' pretty quickly on that one, I'd hate to see Clod go the same way. :)

A round of applause for that man, a very good post. S!

[philip.ed]

It's good that you have a 'glass is half full' attitude. I wish I could share you're confidence and enthusiasm for the future of Clod.

I'm one of the ones here that finds Luthiers post at best 'flippant', and at the worst... well, somewhat insulting. I do have a sense of humour but I couldn't find anything within it to make me smile (the lad on the banjo is awesome though!).

On the other hand I've had some 48 hours with Clod and some of it was quite enjoyable. It's only in the last fortnight that I haven't touched it due to the many frustrations I'm experiencing with the sim and its being released in a half finished state. I think it's worth remembering that many on here who are being labelled whiners etc. are only cheesed off because not only does Clod not feature a significant amount of the features promised but many of the ones that are included are so broken that it will take months (if not years) to repair them. If Luthier is starting to get fed up with the forum content regarding Clod he needs to address the problem of communication (or lack of it) to the people who've forked out their hard earned cash on it. It's the least he can do to appease the feelings of the people who quite rightly IMO feel they have been shafted with the state of Clod even now a couple of months after release. To accept the shocking state that Clod was released in without complaint is madness and is just a signal to all devs out there that they can release what they want and Joe Public will accept it as a norm or a 'sign of the times'.

I've been gaming/simming since the Sinclair ZX81 came out (yeah, I'm that old!:)) and in all the years since then I don't remember there being such a hoo-haa over a game/sim release as there has been with Clod, and quite rightly so. The lack of pre-release info was enough for me to expect some problems but I certainly did not expect anyone to have the cojones to release something that was clearly still very broken and forced out of the door onto an unsuspecting community desperate for a new sim.

Had we been informed we were to be Alpha testers then that is a different matter, but we weren't! In the end for the devs and publishers it's about money and making as much as possible with as little outlay as possible and where Clod is concerned that is one of the worries. Is there enough money and commitment for Clod to be made into what it can and should be? Some seem to be convinced that the dev team aren't going anywhere...I hope that's true. I bought Silent Hunter 5 and I think I'm correct in saying that the 'plug was pulled' pretty quickly on that one, I'd hate to see Clod go the same way. :)

Dear chap, there is a level of ambiguity with my posting! I was partially happy to see that Luthier can be such a 'normal' guy, but other that I've masked my truthful feelings behind a humorous facade. :grin:
I'm just, personally, tired of the ping-pong opinion-based arguments. I agree with your posting, but didn't write something similar because of the inevitable back-wash...
I think the second paragraph of my posting shows how I truly feel, and portrays the effect which Luthier's post can have. More false assumptions and more aggrivation is probably inevitable :cool:

[furbs]

It's good that you have a 'glass is half full' attitude. I wish I could share you're confidence and enthusiasm for the future of Clod.

I'm one of the ones here that finds Luthiers post at best 'flippant', and at the worst... well, somewhat insulting. I do have a sense of humour but I couldn't find anything within it to make me smile (the lad on the banjo is awesome though!).

On the other hand I've had some 48 hours with Clod and some of it was quite enjoyable. It's only in the last fortnight that I haven't touched it due to the many frustrations I'm experiencing with the sim and its being released in a half finished state. I think it's worth remembering that many on here who are being labelled whiners etc. are only cheesed off because not only does Clod not feature a significant amount of the features promised but many of the ones that are included are so broken that it will take months (if not years) to repair them. If Luthier is starting to get fed up with the forum content regarding Clod he needs to address the problem of communication (or lack of it) to the people who've forked out their hard earned cash on it. It's the least he can do to appease the feelings of the people who quite rightly IMO feel they have been shafted with the state of Clod even now a couple of months after release. To accept the shocking state that Clod was released in without complaint is madness and is just a signal to all devs out there that they can release what they want and Joe Public will accept it as a norm or a 'sign of the times'.

I've been gaming/simming since the Sinclair ZX81 came out (yeah, I'm that old!:)) and in all the years since then I don't remember there being such a hoo-haa over a game/sim release as there has been with Clod, and quite rightly so. The lack of pre-release info was enough for me to expect some problems but I certainly did not expect anyone to have the cojones to release something that was clearly still very broken and forced out of the door onto an unsuspecting community desperate for a new sim.

Had we been informed we were to be Alpha testers then that is a different matter, but we weren't! In the end for the devs and publishers it's about money and making as much as possible with as little outlay as possible and where Clod is concerned that is one of the worries. Is there enough money and commitment for Clod to be made into what it can and should be? Some seem to be convinced that the dev team aren't going anywhere...I hope that's true. I bought Silent Hunter 5 and I think I'm correct in saying that the 'plug was pulled' pretty quickly on that one, I'd hate to see Clod go the same way. :)

OMG another whiner and moaner, go away, Luthier is working really hard and post like this make him want to cry and not post here any more.

Its you and whiners like you that made Oleg leave and do other stuff and your the reason COD isn't finished, not Luthier or the brilliant team.
















/sarcasm_off 100% spot on post mate.

[whatnot]

I bought Duke Nukem.. played it for 5 minutes.. laughed at myself for being so dumb. That was it.. i'm not spamming their forums with tosh.

Same here for WoP.

Me too: WOP, Witcher 2, Crysis 2, a ton of PS3 games and the list goes on. I bought so much crap in my life I can't believe it. What I do is try to learn from those bad judgement calls instead of going on a mission on their forums in a multi-month repetitive attempt to make everything right.

It's surprising that the 40$ investment is the end of life for some people here or atleast worth spending their evenings for months on end complaining about it. I think you have either exceeded your budget or been too dumb purchasing a title that was known to have issues before it was even released, instead of waiting for a few reviews.

Let it go! It'll either be a great success if you wait for the fixes or it'll be a grand failure if the devs are not able to fix it in a reasonable time. But any amount of repetitive whining on top of what we've heard already will not change CoD's destiny. Nor will it change the frequency of the updates. But what the hell.. beating dead animals is a joy of-course!

[von Pilsner]

Me too: WOP, Witcher 2, Crysis 2, a ton of PS3 games and the list goes on. I bought so much crap in my life I can't believe it. What I do is try to learn from those bad judgement calls instead of going on a mission on their forums in a multi-month repetitive attempt to make everything right.

I think some people here have the feeling that this game is the only chance for a realistic prop-driven WWII flight sim game and have been waiting for it for 5+ years.

Some of those people only play flight sim (games) and have pinned their hopes on this title being great (hence the emotional investment in the game that some folks here have).

I understand their disappointment and frustration.

[Ze-Jamz]

My brother had the MF, Scout Walker, AT-AT etc. dozens of the figures. all originals....

He moved to NZ and left them in my Dad's loft....

Haven't got the heart to tell him that Dad cleared the loft out last year....

He didn't keep any of them. :(

Oh dear.....

I think its fair to say your Bro will be seriously hacked off when he finds out how much money your Dad has just thrown away, if they had the original boxes too then i suggest your Dad doesn't even mention it cuz from what i hear they are worth quite a bit

[Dano]

It's an odd condition of perception, if I'd had ~50 hours of entertainment out of any other £30 game or product I'd be very happy, flight sims on the other hand...

[Sternjaeger II]

It's good that you have a 'glass is half full' attitude. I wish I could share you're confidence and enthusiasm for the future of Clod.

I'm one of the ones here that finds Luthiers post at best 'flippant', and at the worst... well, somewhat insulting. I do have a sense of humour but I couldn't find anything within it to make me smile (the lad on the banjo is awesome though!).

On the other hand I've had some 48 hours with Clod and some of it was quite enjoyable. It's only in the last fortnight that I haven't touched it due to the many frustrations I'm experiencing with the sim and its being released in a half finished state. I think it's worth remembering that many on here who are being labelled whiners etc. are only cheesed off because not only does Clod not feature a significant amount of the features promised but many of the ones that are included are so broken that it will take months (if not years) to repair them. If Luthier is starting to get fed up with the forum content regarding Clod he needs to address the problem of communication (or lack of it) to the people who've forked out their hard earned cash on it. It's the least he can do to appease the feelings of the people who quite rightly IMO feel they have been shafted with the state of Clod even now a couple of months after release. To accept the shocking state that Clod was released in without complaint is madness and is just a signal to all devs out there that they can release what they want and Joe Public will accept it as a norm or a 'sign of the times'.

I've been gaming/simming since the Sinclair ZX81 came out (yeah, I'm that old!:)) and in all the years since then I don't remember there being such a hoo-haa over a game/sim release as there has been with Clod, and quite rightly so. The lack of pre-release info was enough for me to expect some problems but I certainly did not expect anyone to have the cojones to release something that was clearly still very broken and forced out of the door onto an unsuspecting community desperate for a new sim.

Had we been informed we were to be Alpha testers then that is a different matter, but we weren't! In the end for the devs and publishers it's about money and making as much as possible with as little outlay as possible and where Clod is concerned that is one of the worries. Is there enough money and commitment for Clod to be made into what it can and should be? Some seem to be convinced that the dev team aren't going anywhere...I hope that's true. I bought Silent Hunter 5 and I think I'm correct in saying that the 'plug was pulled' pretty quickly on that one, I'd hate to see Clod go the same way. :)

100% agree man. My conclusion is that some people just like being shafted really :rolleyes:

I'm sure that the devs will keep on shelling out fantastic stuff (hell, they're already working on the next La UFO, one can only wait with excitement!), my real problem is that I'm not sure whether I'm a fanboi or a whiner (I've been called both so far), maybe we should invent a new term: "fanner", how about that? ;)

[Feuerfalke]

Oh dear.....

I think its fair to say your Bro will be seriously hacked off when he finds out how much money your Dad has just thrown away, if they had the original boxes too then i suggest your Dad doesn't even mention it cuz from what i hear they are worth quite a bit

Oh yeah. I have the large Rebel-Transport in the original box + some smaller ships and a SnowSpeeder. Incredible, what people pay for this stuff today!

[335th_GRAthos]

Dear Luthier,

I can not say "thanks for the feedback" after the long silence, I hope you will forgive my direct honesty:

It is my personal opinion that it is time to see some professionalism and receive proper feedback on what is work in progress and what is the status of the development.

This consistent communication of colour pictures and (now) youtube music is "adding insult to injury" :(

The past weeks' communication has been reduced to "bread and games" without any relevance to the actual teething problems this simulation has.
We were receiving better information in the past years during the development of CoD than today!

This kind of postings is a slap on the face of all people who spent so much valuable time posting the bugs your simulation has.
Because, if the only thing you can find to tell me is the "jingle bells" of an 8-year old, how do you expect me to take you for serious and believe that you yourself know the ten things you should be working upon!? :(

I do not dare to think what the next piece of communication will be....

I am too old for this silliness!

[Jatta Raso]

http://img829.imageshack.us/img829/3712/codtimes.png

[ChocsAway]

It's an odd condition of perception, if I'd had ~50 hours of entertainment out of any other £30 game or product I'd be very happy, flight sims on the other hand...

True Dano. I think 'entertainment' is the key word there! As I mentioned in my post earlier I've had 48 hours or so with Clod. I think what's important though is that many of those hours were taken up with frustration and exasperation with trying to get the sim running decently along with trying to fathom out what has been implemented and what hasn't! The F16 like performance of the AI 109's finally persuaded me to shelve it until hopefully things are sorted down the line. :)

[JG52Krupi]

Dear Luthier,

I can not say "thanks for the feedback" after the long silence, I hope you will forgive my direct honesty:

It is my personal opinion that it is time to see some professionalism and receive proper feedback on what is work in progress and what is the status of the development.

This consistent communication of colour pictures and (now) youtube music is "adding insult to injury" :(

The past weeks' communication has been reduced to "bread and games" without any relevance to the actual teething problems this simulation has.
We were receiving better information in the past years during the development of CoD than today!

This kind of postings is a slap on the face of all people who spent so much valuable time posting the bugs your simulation has.
Because, if the only thing you can find to tell me is the "jingle bells" of an 8-year old, how do you expect me to take you for serious and believe that you yourself know the ten things you should be working upon!? :(

I do not dare to think what the next piece of communication will be....

I am too old for this silliness!

+1 (except the too old part ;) )

I do have to agree, while I laughed at the post I was, and I am sure many others were, expecting the video to show off the sounds you have been working on.

I hope you have read what GRAthos posted, he is not the only long term supporter and customer that is beginning to have doubts... I personally am still enjoying the game the graphics are fantastic the DM is AMAZING but the cracks currently in the game are not showing the amount of work and hours that have already gone into it :( hopefully you will give us some more info in the coming days.

Thanks.

[ChocsAway]

100% agree man. My conclusion is that some people just like being shafted really :rolleyes:

I'm sure that the devs will keep on shelling out fantastic stuff (hell, they're already working on the next La UFO, one can only wait with excitement!), my real problem is that I'm not sure whether I'm a fanboi or a whiner (I've been called both so far), maybe we should invent a new term: "fanner", how about that? ;)

'Fanner', nice one! Lol :grin:

[dougandtoni]

;314561']The Dev team has stood behind every game they have worked on. I have no doubt that the team will get this game playable for 99% of the people who want to play it. It may take a few months, but you can't expect fast results with a game this complex.

And this is why they are stuggling to fix it http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?p=314393#post314393

[klem]

It's good that you have a 'glass is half full' attitude. I wish I could share you're confidence and enthusiasm for the future of Clod.

I'm one of the ones here that finds Luthiers post at best 'flippant', and at the worst... well, somewhat insulting. I do have a sense of humour but I couldn't find anything within it to make me smile (the lad on the banjo is awesome though!).

On the other hand I've had some 48 hours with Clod and some of it was quite enjoyable. It's only in the last fortnight that I haven't touched it due to the many frustrations I'm experiencing with the sim and its being released in a half finished state. I think it's worth remembering that many on here who are being labelled whiners etc. are only cheesed off because not only does Clod not feature a significant amount of the features promised but many of the ones that are included are so broken that it will take months (if not years) to repair them. If Luthier is starting to get fed up with the forum content regarding Clod he needs to address the problem of communication (or lack of it) to the people who've forked out their hard earned cash on it. It's the least he can do to appease the feelings of the people who quite rightly IMO feel they have been shafted with the state of Clod even now a couple of months after release. To accept the shocking state that Clod was released in without complaint is madness and is just a signal to all devs out there that they can release what they want and Joe Public will accept it as a norm or a 'sign of the times'.

I've been gaming/simming since the Sinclair ZX81 came out (yeah, I'm that old!:)) and in all the years since then I don't remember there being such a hoo-haa over a game/sim release as there has been with Clod, and quite rightly so. The lack of pre-release info was enough for me to expect some problems but I certainly did not expect anyone to have the cojones to release something that was clearly still very broken and forced out of the door onto an unsuspecting community desperate for a new sim.

Had we been informed we were to be Alpha testers then that is a different matter, but we weren't! In the end for the devs and publishers it's about money and making as much as possible with as little outlay as possible and where Clod is concerned that is one of the worries. Is there enough money and commitment for Clod to be made into what it can and should be? Some seem to be convinced that the dev team aren't going anywhere...I hope that's true. I bought Silent Hunter 5 and I think I'm correct in saying that the 'plug was pulled' pretty quickly on that one, I'd hate to see Clod go the same way. :)

Hit the nail right on the head. As have a few people before.

I defend my right to be informed of the progress of the repair of my faulty goods. It's a simple matter of commercial expectation not to mention contractual. And no, I don't want my money back I want it fixed.

All those other posters that don't get it... I couldn't care less, my posts are an attempt to get Luthier's attention. Not that he's listening or responding with anything of value.

His OP was amusing and could have been left there but the thread has descended into the usual tit for tat rubbish of everyone except anyone from 1C Maddox.

Not a bad tactic, throw the assembled throng a bone and watch them fight over it. Keeps them off-balance for a few more days. Keeps the same old arguments going and hopefully prevents anyone from finding a new one.

[robtek]

All this moaning about imaginary rights of information, if they weren't meant in ernest they would be funny.

Ernestly people, do you really believe you would be satisfied with more information???

Serious???

Never!!!

The moaning and bitching would start again: why not sooner? We have the right for a fixed game? and so on, and so on...

So Luthier can spare himself all the grief, has only 1 thread of moaning, and can finish the patch in relative peace, as far as that is possible here.

[David Hayward]

All this moaning about imaginary rights of information, if they weren't meant in ernest they would be funny.


I disagree. The fact that they are meant in earnest makes them even more funny.

[Mysticpuma]

Yes, we're alive. Me especially. I rarely feel more alive than after a morning reading of the forums!

The sound is progressing well.

General mood:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3qbB4Kq3Y0

I have to say the sound this kid makes and which I assume is the new audio to be used for 109 start up is pretty impressive.

May I suggest this for the Spitfire audio?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfmAeijj5cM

Cheers, MP

[JG52Krupi]

All this moaning about imaginary rights of information, if they weren't meant in ernest they would be funny.

Ernestly people, do you really believe you would be satisfied with more information???

Serious???

Never!!!

The moaning and bitching would start again: why not sooner? We have the right for a fixed game? and so on, and so on...

So Luthier can spare himself all the grief, has only 1 thread of moaning, and can finish the patch in relative peace, as far as that is possible here.

I disagree. The fact that they are meant in earnest makes them even more funny.

Look guys I know that the moaning is irritating but if you don't mind being kept in the dark that's fine, just don't expect everyone to share the same opinion I have been waiting patiently and trying to stop the flood of constant moaning and therefore labeled a "Fanboy" the funny thing is were all Fanboys otherwise we wouldn't be hear moaning or defending...

[Hecke]

For a minigame this would perhaps be sufficent but for a game that some people spent 30-50 buccs on it is what it is ... poor and laughable ...

[ChocsAway]

Me too: WOP, Witcher 2, Crysis 2, a ton of PS3 games and the list goes on. I bought so much crap in my life I can't believe it. What I do is try to learn from those bad judgement calls instead of going on a mission on their forums in a multi-month repetitive attempt to make everything right.

It's surprising that the 40$ investment is the end of life for some people here or atleast worth spending their evenings for months on end complaining about it. I think you have either exceeded your budget or been too dumb purchasing a title that was known to have issues before it was even released, instead of waiting for a few reviews.

Let it go! It'll either be a great success if you wait for the fixes or it'll be a grand failure if the devs are not able to fix it in a reasonable time. But any amount of repetitive whining on top of what we've heard already will not change CoD's destiny. Nor will it change the frequency of the updates. But what the hell.. beating dead animals is a joy of-course!

I can see where you're coming from but personally I've had enough of paying out good money for sub-standard/unfinished products. Game developers/publishers are especially guilty of this and I think it's a worrying trend that is all too easily accepted by many. I have to say that you don't seem to be learning much about your bad judgement calls as you continue to throw money away on what you describe as 'crap' ;-):grin: That is your perogative though.

I'd prefer to feel I've had my moneys worth especially as I and many others are feeling the 'pinch' here in the UK which means my gaming/simming budget has shrunk sustantially over the last year.

What I do find a little odd regarding Clod and updates from Luthier is that up until the US release they were pretty regular which as far as I can see kept things a lot 'saner' around here. Then suddenly, leading up to and post US release it goes very quiet which has meant it's really hit the fan on the forum since. I think many here can't help thinking that it all seems a bit 'fishy' and are only seeking some re-assurance from the devs that all is well in the Clod camp. Do they/we deserve it? Yeah, I think so, and it doesn't take much time or effort for Luthier or whoever to make a post to that effect. I'd say it is also in their interests to do so as a more contented atmosphere on the forum will surely help to lead to more sales in the long run.

[Sternjaeger II]

All this moaning about imaginary rights of information, if they weren't meant in ernest they would be funny.

Ernestly people, do you really believe you would be satisfied with more information???

Serious???

Never!!!

The moaning and bitching would start again: why not sooner? We have the right for a fixed game? and so on, and so on...

So Luthier can spare himself all the grief, has only 1 thread of moaning, and can finish the patch in relative peace, as far as that is possible here.

that is incorrect, at least in my case. And again, I don't feel like I'm whining, I'm just asking for a long overdue update over a product that I bought 5 months ago. You never heard me saying anything before CoD came out, now that I have it and can't play it Im patiently waiting for updates, but the last thing I will accept, as an adult, is to be mocked by someone I paid to deliver a working product which at the moment isn't working as it should.

[Sternjaeger II]

I disagree. The fact that they are meant in earnest makes them even more funny.

David, your lack of respect for people that don't agree with your ideas is really not doing you any favour.

[furbs]

I disagree. The fact that they are meant in earnest makes them even more funny.

David and Robtek, You i are in the minority here, and nobody cares what you say, dont believe me? i dare YOU to put up a Poll.

I did. just have another look at it.

[robtek]

Look guys I know that the moaning is irritating but if you don't mind being kept in the dark that's fine, just don't expect everyone to share the same opinion I have been waiting patiently and trying to stop the flood of constant moaning and therefore labeled a "Fanboy" the funny thing is were all Fanboys otherwise we wouldn't be hear moaning or defending...

Being kept in the dark doesn't change anything!!

"The Patch" will be released when its ready, with all the content that could be fixed until then.

Nothing will change that.

All this: "Are we there, yet?" "Where are we right now?" "Can't you drive faster?" in its constant repetition is only obnoxious.

Does being a "Fanner" TM or "Negativist" TM reduce the age magically to preteen?

I've seriously thought that flight-sim flyers are normally adults.

It wasn't the first mistake in my life.

[dougandtoni]

And this is why they are stuggling to fix it http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?p=314393#post314393

Yep

[Sirocco]

Man alive.

Read between the lines. Whatever the man posts he'll get eaten alive, and he knows it. Want regular updates on progress? Keep the criticism constructive and stop harping and carping over the same things. That way we'll all get the updates on progress we'd like.

[JG52Uther]

robtek if anyone else had posted what Luthier did you would have been straight in there to attack it,thats if it hadn't been locked or deleted before you saw it.
No need to defend Luthiers post, its supposed to be a mickey take out of all of us, fanboi and whiner alike...
Still, because he dropped the bomb,I assume the patch is very nearly ready.

[Sternjaeger II]

Being kept in the dark doesn't change anything!!

"The Patch" will be released when its ready, with all the content that could be fixed until then.

Nothing will change that.

All this: "Are we there, yet?" "Where are we right now?" "Can't you drive faster?" in its constant repetition is only obnoxious.

Does being a "Fanner" TM or "Negativist" TM reduce the age magically to preteen?

I've seriously thought that flight-sim flyers are normally adults.

It wasn't the first mistake in my life.

What I don't understand is what is it with all the passive aggressiveness really. The idea you made in your mind of our points is as far from the truth as possible.

[Blackdog_kt]

Thanks for checking in guys, keep working on it. ;-)


I just have this mental image of several people actually foaming at the mouth :D

So true, i couldn't suppress an initial outburst of laughter when i saw the update.


In all honesty though, what more is there to say if it's still under development? "Hey guys, we're still working on the sound and it's going well" is what we're being told. Some will be happy about it, some will simply go "meh, i'll play title X for a few more weeks until it's done" and some will demand to know more.

I just don't know what a regular weekly update would cover at this point. The updates we had in the past (during development) were keeping people calm because we hadn't yet seen the sim so everything seemed new. Now that we have seen it, an in-depth update would have to contain more technical things and to be honest, i don't know how useful that would be to the average forum poster:

"Today we adjusted our sounds so that at high speeds the propeller sound overcomes the engine sound, this is done by shifting the waveforms up a bit and adding a 5% change in the pitch of the sound".

Is this useful to someone who's not a professional sound editor? More importantly, would it quench the thirst of those who shout the loudest or would it just result in the same old "what is this technical jargon? give me a video preview and tell me when it's ready man", followed by charts from the e-expert brigade about how things really go on in real life? :-P
Be honest guys, i think we all know the answer here: there is a certain group whose appetite grows exponentially with every scrap of information they're fed, some just want information but for some others no amount of it will ever be enough.

Let's face it, the pool of easy to understand and not overly technical oriented things to post as updates is exhausted, until something is finished and displayed in its final working state there's not much to say. Unless people are proficient in the tools and programming languages these guys use, there is nothing of benefit to post except a "we're working on feature X" or an announcement when it's ready.

The notion that the average poster here would somehow benefit from in-depth technical information is proven absurd by their own behaviour: a substantial percentage is seemingly unable to read the manual or find answers and workarounds to issues that have been answered multiple times since April and plastered all over the relevant sections, often in sticky threads no less.

In other words and forgive my being a bit blunt here, if someone who's had the game for 5 months can't find out how to customize or delete an info window and hasn't read the manual yet (the ever reappearing questions about camera control, enabling/disabling mouse cursor and so on), that person doesn't deserve more in-depth technical updates because he's learning-averse anyway :-P
Ok, i'm being a bit harsh, so let's rephrase: it wouldn't do him any good to know how the sound engineer or the FM programmer does what he needs to do when he doesn't have the tiniest bit of patience to read readily available information on how to improve his gameplay experience, it's like building a reversed pyramid.

The only other thing that could be talked about is a road map and ETA dates. Well, we've already got a road map and if it changed all the time it wouldn't be much of a road map, so i guess it still applies. As for ETAs, people have trouble understanding the initial E and think that estimated equals definite, at which point if the date slips they go all tar and pitchforks again, so why bother making estimates that will be taken as commitments and used to generate further unrest down the road?

Long story short, the only useful thing that's left to be said until tangible results are reached and a preview is shown, is something to the tune of "we are working on feature X, it's going well/takes a bit longer than expected/is ahead of schedule".

Well, that's exactly what we got here and it pretty much covers what i need to know:
a) are they are working on something? yes
b) what is it? the sounds
c) how is it progressing? well

[David Hayward]

Look guys I know that the moaning is irritating but if you don't mind being kept in the dark that's fine, just don't expect everyone to share the same opinion I have been waiting patiently and trying to stop the flood of constant moaning and therefore labeled a "Fanboy" the funny thing is were all Fanboys otherwise we wouldn't be hear moaning or defending...

We're not being kept in the dark. There have been regular updates.

The problem is that the regular update process goes something like this:

Luthier: Update!

Rabble: Luthier, you are the greatest!

2 hours later

Rabble: Luthier, why didn't you mention X.

4 hours later

Rabble: Luthier didn't mention X because they don't realize it's a problem.

6 hours later

Rabble: Luthier didn't mention X because they don't know how to fix it.

12 hours later

Rabble: Luthier didn't mention X because he doesn't respect us!!

16 hours later

Rabble: Luthier, you suck!!!!

24 hours later:

Rabble: Luther, when are you going to give us an update???

[robtek]

robtek if anyone else had posted what Luthier did you would have been straight in there to attack it,thats if it hadn't been locked or deleted before you saw it.
No need to defend Luthiers post, its supposed to be a mickey take out of all of us...
Still, because he dropped the bomb,I assume the patch is very nearly ready.

He told us that the work on "The Patch" is processing nicely with a nice video, to be interpreted that the team is working with enthusiasm and joy on it.

Why anyone with a clear mind could feel slighted by that escapes my understanding.

I think too many people have to interpret this post according to their agendas.

The people see what they want to see, not what is really there.

I am positive, thats why i am interpreting the post positive, i spare my anger for the job :D, my free time is too precious for that.

[JG52Uther]

I think too many people have to interpret this post according to their agendas.

The people see what they want to see, not what is really there.

.

Quoted for truth ;)

[Vengeanze]

I wish people would stop quoting peeps on my ignore list so I didn't have to accidently occasionally read their bs.

[5-in-50]

+1 for Banjo Kids as the CoD intro music!

[Walrus1]

This consistent communication of colour pictures and (now) youtube music is "adding insult to injury" :(...

This kind of postings is a slap on the face of all people who spent so much valuable time posting the bugs your simulation has...

I do not dare to think what the next piece of communication will be....

http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu328/zerosignal/francis.jpg#lighten%20up%20francis

[Barso]

Thanks, just glad you're still working on the game.

[etzi]

What Luthier has posted, is an impertinence.

[robtek]

I wish people would stop quoting peeps on my ignore list so I didn't have to accidently occasionally read their bullshit.

Thanks for adding me to your ignore-list.
No, i really appreciate it, makes it easier to separate the reasonable from the unreasonable.

[Ibis]

The sooner we get a forum for people that can prove that they are over the age of fifteen the better.

[louisv]

Paranoid divas

[Rattlehead]

Oh dear.....

I think its fair to say your Bro will be seriously hacked off when he finds out how much money your Dad has just thrown away, if they had the original boxes too then i suggest your Dad doesn't even mention it cuz from what i hear they are worth quite a bit

Depends...MOC versions will be extremely valuable, those that have been opened and are a bit weary looking, not so much. But I always wanted a Millenium Falcon...that was one awesome toy.

[Timberwolf]

Awsome post i have great news too Fighter ace is rumoured to be coming back aswell ..so there will be 2 online sims up and running by 2012

http://youtu.be/manxPVTLth8

[Rattlehead]

We're not being kept in the dark. There have been regular updates.

The problem is that the regular update process goes something like this:

Luthier: Update!

Rabble: Luthier, you are the greatest!

2 hours later

Rabble: Luthier, why didn't you mention X.

4 hours later

Rabble: Luthier didn't mention X because they don't realize it's a problem.

6 hours later

Rabble: Luthier didn't mention X because they don't know how to fix it.

12 hours later

Rabble: Luthier didn't mention X because he doesn't respect us!!

16 hours later

Rabble: Luthier, you suck!!!!

24 hours later:

Rabble: Luther, when are you going to give us an update???

Haha, that's uncannily accurate.

[Rather peeved]

I actually really enjoyed the banjo playing

:grin:

[ATAG_Doc]

YeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeHaawwww wwwwwwwwwwww!!!!!

[Frequent_Flyer]

Luthier Good stuff, funny!!!

[retrojet]

100% agree man. My conclusion is that some people just like being shafted really :rolleyes:

I'm sure that the devs will keep on shelling out fantastic stuff (hell, they're already working on the next La UFO, one can only wait with excitement!), my real problem is that I'm not sure whether I'm a fanboi or a whiner (I've been called both so far), maybe we should invent a new term: "fanner", how about that? ;)

... If your conclusion is correct, what about fannies?...
:confused:

[Madfish]

I try to see luthiers post positive as well.

There is one thing some people seem to forget though: relations. Relationship management with customers and fans is so important and so extremely easy to do.

You don't need to go to the end of the world. Just take 10 minutes a day and prepare something. A small post or save these 10 minutes and give a more detailed post once a week etc.

How long does it take you to upload a screenshot? To say: "hey we're working on this and that - the problem was crazy but we're finally making progress folks! cheer for us :)"

Answer: it's not even taking you 5 minutes. If you think highly of your product and your loyal fans then this is not something crazy to do!


The problem I see with many russian developers is: You guys s**k (are bad) at communicating and marketing. You're friendly folks so please don't hide that from us. It's sets a very negative mood and that is not what the game or your work deserves.

Nothing is perfect - be open to admit flaws and try to push the limits forward.

At least that is my opinion :)

[SiThSpAwN]

+1

[David Hayward]

Answer: it's not even taking you 5 minutes. If you think highly of your product and your loyal fans then this is not something crazy to do!


The reason they're not doing it is because they probably assume their customers are not children who need to be told every 10 minutes that we're not there yet. Crazy, I know.

[Chivas]

Lmfao