-=<202nd>=- Exorcists Fighter / Bomber Squadron (GMT Time Zone)

[Soviet Ace]

Originally Posted by David603

Sorry, I should have said it was the Bf109G I was talking about when I said it only had 150 rounds for the 20mm cannon and should have 200. The Yak-3 has 120 rpg for the 20mm and 170rpg for the two 12.7mm MGs. So that is firepower on the weak side of average for a late war fighter with below average amounts of ammo. Doesn't help that the Russian ShVAK cannon used by the Yak-3 is rather inferior to the Hispano or the MG151 20mm cannons.

Definitely agree with needing to keep the Yak-3 light, it only has a 1,290hp engine when the Spitfire IX has 1,720hp and the Bf109G10 has 1,800hp.

I think the Yak-3's climb rate is modelled quite well, the real life initial climb rate is 4,265ft/min, which puts it at the top end of climb rates, but both the Spitfire IX and Bf109G10 have initial climb rates in the order of a bit over 4,500ft/min so their having an edge over the Yak-3 here seems fair.

Still, having only one point of real weakness (firepower) as a dogfighter isn't bad, most of the Yak-3's rivals have several at least.

Your info seems right about the Yak-3, but I hope you didn't just use Wikipedia as your source. Their specs and information, isn't about the Tiblisi built Yak-3s that were the superior. Their information is on the Saratov Yak-3s which had several serious problems. But anyway, the Yak-3 does have several advantages against its Luftwaffe foe, which is roll rate and turning. The Yak-3 could outturn and roll quicker than any 109 or 190.

[elneilios]

Hey man,

This sounds interesting and in my timezone) can I join up for some flying fun?

Xbox Live User Name: elneilios84

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Preference to Fighters / Bombers / All-Rounder: Fighters

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[House MD 221B]

welcome aboard, go to our forums and sign up there, and ill add you to gold wing wedlcome man,

[FOZ_1983]

luckt S.O.B, you get the honour of flying with gold wing. best of the lot.

[PedroTheGoat]

Originally Posted by FOZ_1983

luckt S.O.B, you get the honour of flying with gold wing. best of the lot.

If geography allowed him, then he could fly with the best wing:

-=Eagle=-

[FOZ_1983]

Geography does allow him to fly with the best wing haha

[PedroTheGoat]

Hehe. I love the competitive rhetoric we have between wings. Practice is going to be a blast.

[FOZ_1983]

Originally Posted by PedroTheGoat

Hehe. I love the competitive rhetoric we have between wings. Practice is going to be a blast.

it will be fun yes though we might have to either cut numbers down or put gold and eagle together??

[House MD 221B]

im looking forward to a server FULL of 202nd players, and 1 person filling the remaining slot thinking "I'm fudged!"

[David603]

Originally Posted by Soviet Ace

Your info seems right about the Yak-3, but I hope you didn't just use Wikipedia as your source. Their specs and information, isn't about the Tiblisi built Yak-3s that were the superior. Their information is on the Saratov Yak-3s which had several serious problems. But anyway, the Yak-3 does have several advantages against its Luftwaffe foe, which is roll rate and turning. The Yak-3 could outturn and roll quicker than any 109 or 190.

No, I got the Yak-3's initial climb rate here, and this agrees with what I have seen in Il2, but if you have more accurate information on the Yak-3's performance I would be interested to see it.

I agree with you though, the Yak-3 can certainly out turn the Fw190 and Bf109, and out roll the Bf109 though I don't think it can quite match the Fw's high speed roll rate. That's why I said the Yak-3's only real weakness as a dogfighter is its firepower, it can match, beat or come close to just about any of its rivals in any aspect of performance, except perhaps top speed and range which aren't so important for dogfighting, where most rivals will have at least one point which they are poor at when it comes to dogfighting.

I love flying the 109 for its top speed, acceleration and climb rate, but it has some pretty big flaws as a dogfighter. High speed handling is poor across the entire series, and the later versions have poor turn rates too. Still, the ability to set up kills using the speed and climb rate and the way you can get out of trouble easily against most opponents can make up for this so long as you don't try to fight in close when flying the later 109s.