-=<202nd>=- Exorcists Fighter / Bomber Squadron (GMT Time Zone)

David603 · #1 09-03-2009, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Soviet Ace

Yeah that's my problem with the Yak-3 on 1946, is I don't think they got the rate of climb good enough. In reality, the Yak-3 was superb in Maneuvering, Climbing, and guns. And the reason, there is only 150 rounds for the cannon, is because they wanted to keep the plane light, and I know that later Yak-3s like the Yak-3P and I think the Yak-3U something, had 210 cannon rounds, but both of those were designed produced after the war, and used for ground attack. The WW2 Yak-3, has no number or letter. It's just that Yak-3

Sorry, I should have said it was the Bf109G I was talking about when I said it only had 150 rounds for the 20mm cannon and should have 200. The Yak-3 has 120 rpg for the 20mm and 170rpg for the two 12.7mm MGs. So that is firepower on the weak side of average for a late war fighter with below average amounts of ammo. Doesn't help that the Russian ShVAK cannon used by the Yak-3 is rather inferior to the Hispano or the MG151 20mm cannons.

Definitely agree with needing to keep the Yak-3 light, it only has a 1,290hp engine when the Spitfire IX has 1,720hp and the Bf109G10 has 1,800hp.

I think the Yak-3's climb rate is modelled quite well, the real life initial climb rate is 4,265ft/min, which puts it at the top end of climb rates, but both the Spitfire IX and Bf109G10 have initial climb rates in the order of a bit over 4,500ft/min so their having an edge over the Yak-3 here seems fair.

Still, having only one point of real weakness (firepower) as a dogfighter isn't bad, most of the Yak-3's rivals have several at least.

Soviet Ace · #2 09-03-2009, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by David603

Sorry, I should have said it was the Bf109G I was talking about when I said it only had 150 rounds for the 20mm cannon and should have 200. The Yak-3 has 120 rpg for the 20mm and 170rpg for the two 12.7mm MGs. So that is firepower on the weak side of average for a late war fighter with below average amounts of ammo. Doesn't help that the Russian ShVAK cannon used by the Yak-3 is rather inferior to the Hispano or the MG151 20mm cannons.

Definitely agree with needing to keep the Yak-3 light, it only has a 1,290hp engine when the Spitfire IX has 1,720hp and the Bf109G10 has 1,800hp.

I think the Yak-3's climb rate is modelled quite well, the real life initial climb rate is 4,265ft/min, which puts it at the top end of climb rates, but both the Spitfire IX and Bf109G10 have initial climb rates in the order of a bit over 4,500ft/min so their having an edge over the Yak-3 here seems fair.

Still, having only one point of real weakness (firepower) as a dogfighter isn't bad, most of the Yak-3's rivals have several at least.

Your info seems right about the Yak-3, but I hope you didn't just use Wikipedia as your source. Their specs and information, isn't about the Tiblisi built Yak-3s that were the superior. Their information is on the Saratov Yak-3s which had several serious problems. But anyway, the Yak-3 does have several advantages against its Luftwaffe foe, which is roll rate and turning. The Yak-3 could outturn and roll quicker than any 109 or 190.

David603 · #3 09-03-2009, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Soviet Ace

Your info seems right about the Yak-3, but I hope you didn't just use Wikipedia as your source. Their specs and information, isn't about the Tiblisi built Yak-3s that were the superior. Their information is on the Saratov Yak-3s which had several serious problems. But anyway, the Yak-3 does have several advantages against its Luftwaffe foe, which is roll rate and turning. The Yak-3 could outturn and roll quicker than any 109 or 190.

No, I got the Yak-3's initial climb rate here, and this agrees with what I have seen in Il2, but if you have more accurate information on the Yak-3's performance I would be interested to see it.

I agree with you though, the Yak-3 can certainly out turn the Fw190 and Bf109, and out roll the Bf109 though I don't think it can quite match the Fw's high speed roll rate. That's why I said the Yak-3's only real weakness as a dogfighter is its firepower, it can match, beat or come close to just about any of its rivals in any aspect of performance, except perhaps top speed and range which aren't so important for dogfighting, where most rivals will have at least one point which they are poor at when it comes to dogfighting.

I love flying the 109 for its top speed, acceleration and climb rate, but it has some pretty big flaws as a dogfighter. High speed handling is poor across the entire series, and the later versions have poor turn rates too. Still, the ability to set up kills using the speed and climb rate and the way you can get out of trouble easily against most opponents can make up for this so long as you don't try to fight in close when flying the later 109s.

Robotic Pope · #4 09-03-2009, 08:48 PM

lol How does the Yak-3 come up in so many threads?

Back on topic: We all know Red wing is best

FOZ_1983 · #5 09-03-2009, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Robotic Pope

lol How does the Yak-3 come up in so many threads?

Back on topic: We all know Red wing is best

i have NO idea at all!! haha. It will be coming up in many threads when the civilians are complaining about yak wrecks being all over their land etc

Still....farmers could make a nice chicken shed or something out of the wreckage

We need to fly, red v gold. or before that find out who likes dogfighting and who likes bombing lol.

bit like star wars!! red wing was the xwings attacking death star (fighter) gold wing was the y-wing (more of a bomber).

i always preffered the y-wing haha

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Robotic Pope · #7 09-04-2009, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by FOZ_1983

i have NO idea at all!! haha. It will be coming up in many threads when the civilians are complaining about yak wrecks being all over their land etc

Still....farmers could make a nice chicken shed or something out of the wreckage

We need to fly, red v gold. or before that find out who likes dogfighting and who likes bombing lol.

bit like star wars!! red wing was the xwings attacking death star (fighter) gold wing was the y-wing (more of a bomber).

i always preffered the y-wing haha

That reminds me of the old X-wing and TIE Fighter PC games, They were some of the best games i've ever played. Nothing was more awesome than the B-wing and it's firepower.