TBF Avenger and other planes

[majorfailure]

Originally Posted by Furio

My preference would go to complete already existing scenarios, such as the already mentioned Pacific Theatre. To me, it makes more sense to complete what we have, than have more incomplete scenarios. And – don’t shoot at me – I would shelve the whole night bombers-night fighters lot. Flying night interceptors would be simply to follow a different kind of mini-map, and then fire on a black silhouette barely visible in the dark. Flying bombers, it would be simply sit and wait for invisible fighters coming out from nowhere.

That’s my opinion, of course.

Right with you there. Basically you'd either shoot at barely visible targets - and the bomber AI either is too good and guns you down the instant you open fire, or too bad and you shoot fish in a barrel. And as custom or selectable belting has been requested many times and has not been done, I'd suppose that it is not that easy to do. And with current tracers and muzzle flashes, night fighting is merely a joke - you are blind the instant you fire, and all of the enemies open up at you at once.

And having a flyable late war German bomber would definitley add to this sim - any of them.

[gaunt1]

Originally Posted by majorfailure

And having a flyable late war German bomber would definitley add to this sim - any of them.

Even if its only a He-111H16! That would be relatively easy to add. As far as I know, TD cooperated with yt2, who made the Ju-88A5 and Ju-88P. He did a brilliant He-111 pack, not only adding new variants (including H16), but fixing older, like H6 (missing a front ventral gun, to name one serious problem) too!
Including some variants from his He-111 pack would be a really good addition!
A fixed H2, H6, H12 and a new H16 would be more than enough.

[Sita]

Yt2 for now already part of DT )

[Fighterace]

Flyable F7F Tigercat and F8F Bearcat variants would be cool but in my dreams....sadly

[Furio]

Originally Posted by Fighterace

Flyable F7F Tigercat and F8F Bearcat variants would be cool but in my dreams....sadly

Your idea doesn’t look to me too far fetched.
These types would be perfect for a “Pacific 1946”. But a new scenario and several new planes would be needed – the J7W Shinden, for example – and the whole thing will fatally end up as a “new incomplete”.

As I see it, new German bombers are a more realistic proposition. To begin with, they are missing in already available scenarios, such as Eastern Front in 1943. then, they can extend bomber pilot careers. Finally, as Gaunt 1 wrote, updating existing models can pay big dividends.

In my opinion, this is “realistic management of dreams!”

[ECV56_Guevara]

Originally Posted by Furio

. But a new scenario and several new planes would be needed – the J7W Shinden, for example

I saw somewhere a shinden WIP. A really beautifull one.

Agree with german bombers. Ju 86 as bomber/recce ( was/is it WIP???) He111 - Ju88 variants would be nice aditions.
But, IMO, what made this sim great was/is the comunity. All the campaigns. skins, tutorials, etc...Every new item added, a new bombsigth, new fuse settings, triggers, navigation aids, new AI, even a new FM, bring new life to the sim, because it gives new things to learn to all of us, and new things to teach, to discuss. What could give a total and great full orchestra ending to this sim, I guess is that. And what we have to learn, after all this years were we learnt history, geography, a lot of new words in russian, italian, spanish german, tech specs, etc...???
Still we need to learn to fight in the dark.
Again, this is my humble opinion.

[gaunt1]

What about the B-25C? I think it would be relatively easy to add:
Forward cockpit and top turret could be taken completely from B-25J, ventral gun would need only a simple periscope view, like in Pe-2. Pilot's cockpit is probably not much different, so I think it wouldnt be hard to make.

[Pursuivant]

Originally Posted by majorfailure

Right with you there. Basically you'd either shoot at barely visible targets - and the bomber AI either is too good and guns you down the instant you open fire, or too bad and you shoot fish in a barrel.

I think that the appeal of night operations is mostly in the night-fighter end, since there's an art to tracking bombers using GCI and AI radar.

Night bombing might have some appeal, but unless we get some of the night bombing aids, it's mostly an exercise in instrument flying and dead reckoning. Challenging, but not unique to IL2 or to night bombers.

Originally Posted by majorfailure

And as custom or selectable belting has been requested many times and has not been done, I'd suppose that it is not that easy to do. And with current tracers and muzzle flashes, night fighting is merely a joke - you are blind the instant you fire, and all of the enemies open up at you at once.

Actually, unless you're flying in a dark room, the player ISN'T blinded by bright lights at night. That means your virtual pilot or tail gunner retains his night vision when he should be dazzled by searchlights, explosions or muzzle flashes.

Originally Posted by majorfailure

And having a flyable late war German bomber would definitely add to this sim - any of them.

There is the Ar-234, which is about as late war as German bombers get. But I don't think that's what you had in mind

[Sita]

yeah i want flyable Fw-200 too))

need find the person who could)

[IceFire]

This may not be what you had in mind for late war German bomber ... but many of the bomber squadrons transitioned from Ju88 and He111 to the bomber variant of the Me410. Then you could have a mid/late war German heavy fighter/destroyer, bomber, night fighter and whatever else the 410 was adapted to become and its all in one basically the same aircraft. At the same time you could probably have ventured off to do the Me210 and Me210Ca which wasn't too different from the Me410 to begin with.

That would have been ideal IMHO.