Il-2 MODs

311thCopperhead · #1 01-01-2009, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Bearcat

I dont dislike anyone here... What I dislike is people saying that they don't think mods in and of themselves are cheats.. yet in just about every sentence that has the word mod in it cheats are close behind.. and the relation of the two words by these postedrs insinuates that the two are equal and they arent. In the bigger scheme of things.. my having Redtail skins as the defaults for my mustangs, or having a custom splash screen, or even the 6DoF mod.. constitutes no discernable advantage over someone who does not have these things. With the 6DoF I mean if I am flying against someone who has TIR4 w/o 6Dof and I have the 6DoF.. there is not much difference in the sense that the action is fluid... and since both users are constantly moving me being able to glimpse the tip of a wing from behind a spar means little.

This thread is a waste of time because everyone here has their views. I used to feel the same way as many of the anti modders and it was only when the potential fears that I had were not realized .. from the quality of the mods to the proliferation of cheats that I decided to try them and I am glad I did. I have purchased enough copies of this series through out the past 7 years.. and I am talking more than 10 here at full retail price mind you, except for the last 2 copies of 46.. they were $20... if you add up the entire series and include gifts spares etc.... Not to mention the hundreds spent on upgrading my rig to use the software... then factoring in the time spent actually using it, promoting it, because I do... all the time. I have most of the videos on my laptop... not to mention about 200 screenshots... If I get into the copies I actually sold when I either worked retail at my local Best Buy or while just browsing in a store that sold the product and saw someone checking out the flight sims... I think I have more than earned the right to choose from something that is available to me... that is not taking money from Oleg's pocket. These mods are not being sold... no one is making money off the work... or taking food off 1C's collective tables... I don't know why 4.09 was not released .. perhaps it does have just about all to do with the mods.. I don't know and Oleg isn't talking... but these mods have been an improvement to my enjoyment of the sim.... and I don't knowingly associate with cheaters... so if you are against mods.. fine.. if you are against cheats.... that's fine too... but mod=cheat does not compute with me. Cheaters cheat...

Comon Bear. that's kinda BS man. if no ones taking a profit then why is aaa begging for thousands in "DONATIONS". how is that not stealing? how is that not taking a profit from some one elses work?
and like i just said all of these "new customers" coming to the sim becuse of the mods are not actually buying the sim the same way you or i did over the years....they're getting it for free. So i just can't help but wondering why in the hell you keep going to bat for these ppl.

MD_Wild_Weasel · #2 01-01-2009, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by 311thCopperhead

Comon Bear. that's kinda BS man. if no ones taking a profit then why is aaa begging for thousands in "DONATIONS". how is that not stealing? how is that not taking a profit from some one elses work?
and like i just said all of these "new customers" coming to the sim becuse of the mods are not actually buying the sim the same way you or i did over the years....they're getting it for free. So i just can't help but wondering why in the hell you keep going to bat for these ppl.

where the hell do you get your info from? do you have any evidence backing up your statements? Yes people do pirate, But if you actaully read between the lines here most people in the online community will and do gladly part with thier cash for this game, i have several times.And anyone found using a pirated copy is frowned upon. Grow up man, and stop making up these un-founded accusations..unless you have evidence of course

LEXX · #3 01-01-2009, 10:57 AM

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Grow up man, and stop making up these un-founded accusations.

Yea I saw that too.

Furio · #4 01-01-2009, 11:26 AM

Two posts I’d like to read.
1) I’m a modder. Yes, sometimes I doubt that all this hacking is unfair, but I simply did not resist. All those new wonderful planes and maps and effects... I know that Oleg has all his rights on IP, but I think he should understand us, with all our enthusiasm. Peace!
2) I’m against mods. I think that long-term damage outweighs short-term enjoyment. I can’t talk for Oleg, but yes, I understand you and your enthusiasm. Peace!

Have a nice year.

311thCopperhead · #5 01-01-2009, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by LEXX

Weasel (to Copper)
Yea I saw that too.

Unfounded. right.
there is a donation space rigth there on there site.
And i've been told that thier new unified installer....does not require that you 1st have the game installed.

unfounded....no i don't think so.

flyingbullseye · #6 01-01-2009, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by 311thCopperhead

And i've been told that thier new unified installer....does not require that you 1st have the game installed.

You've been told but don't know from first hand experience? I've got to believe you are better than that. How would the unified installer work when there is nothing for it to install to if you don't need the sim installed first?

Flyingbullseye

311thCopperhead · #7 01-01-2009, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by flyingbullseye

You've been told but don't know from first hand experience? I've got to believe you are better than that. How would the unified installer work when there is nothing for it to install to if you don't need the sim installed first?

Flyingbullseye

I have not...nor will i ever download the trash posted on that web site.
I i fear that my PC may spontanously combust.
So no i have not tested it to see but rather am relying on information from
some one i'm freinds with on the inside over there. One of thier most trusted guys. The same person who sent me the FM's. One of the reasons i'm so up in arms about it. i KNOW what's going on behind the curtain.

and some of you can apint it any color you like but it's still gonna look like dog$hit in the end.

As for me proving the claims i make are not unfounded....the burden of proof lies with those whom think i'm BS'ing them. So prove what i've said is unfounded. prove it. i dare you. prove me wrong. you can't and you know it.

Urufu_Shinjiro · #8 01-01-2009, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by 311thCopperhead

I have not...nor will i ever download the trash posted on that web site.
I i fear that my PC may spontanously combust.
So no i have not tested it to see but rather am relying on information from
some one i'm freinds with on the inside over there. One of thier most trusted guys. The same person who sent me the FM's. One of the reasons i'm so up in arms about it. i KNOW what's going on behind the curtain.

and some of you can apint it any color you like but it's still gonna look like dog$hit in the end.

As for me proving the claims i make are not unfounded....the burden of proof lies with those whom think i'm BS'ing them. So prove what i've said is unfounded. prove it. i dare you. prove me wrong. you can't and you know it.

You're source is lying to you, period, end of story. You ABSOLUTELY HAVE TO HAVE IL2 1946 INSTALLED AND PATCHED TO 4.08 IN ORDER TO GET THE UNIFIED INSTALLER TO WORK!!!!!!

In fact I did a fresh install and applied the unified installer and it didn't work, because I had forgotten to install the 4.08m patch.

Brain32, you are correct that we are guilty of throwing all anti-mod people in with the mods=cheat crowd, and for that I apologize. I've said before that I understand and respect the position of those who have thought it out honestly and still don't want to partake. It's the ones who spread flames, BS, and lies and do it loudly and with much venom that I rail against.

But to suggest that there was no cheating before the mods is ridiculous, I know you've been around for some time, I'm familiar with your handle, you should know better, there have been cheaters since the original il2. There has always been the suspicion of cheating as well, anytime I was on teamspeak with a group of people (way before the mods) and there was a person or a group of pilots that came in and started owning the whole server everyone in there would scream "cheat!" and start speculating about how they are cheating. Actual cheating and the suspicion of cheating are nothing new in this sim, it's always been there. Perhaps suspicion is up slightly but the actual cheating hasn't increased as far as I can tell.

flyingbullseye · #9 01-01-2009, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by 311thCopperhead

And i've been told that thier new unified installer....does not require that you 1st have the game installed.

Again how does that work without the sim?

kristorf · #10 01-01-2009, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by 311thCopperhead

And i've been told that thier new unified installer....does not require that you 1st have the game installed.

unfounded....no i don't think so.

I've been the earth is flat, do I believe it or do I check for myself before spreading rumours????

How can you post some of your comments mate if you believe in hearsay and don't know facts, dodgy grounds for an arguement