Il-2 MODs

[MD_Wild_Weasel]

Originally Posted by SlipBall

The burden I think was to change SOW code, so as to not have it fall victim again, as in IL2. They had to rewrite it, to kindof make it "child proof" if you follow my drift. Also 4.09 needed many more man hours to try and stop the leak...a Russian is probably the only one that could read the code

sorry slipball, but this illusive 4.09b1 has been out nearly a year now, as i said earlier(dont ask for a direct quote) oleg said that 4.09 was not top of his agenda, I dont blame the geezer there must be thousands of people in Il2 breathing down his neck for results! . I just dont think mods are all that bad and doesnt neccesserily mean people will cheat. In fact they dont.

[JG52Uther]

Funny,quite a few of those 'rabid anti hackers' appearing in that old thread are now very much using the mods.

This whole thread is useless.It all happened publically a year ago (I know,I have the T-shirt).

[Wolf_Rider]

Originally Posted by MD_Wild_Weasel

I just dont think mods are all that bad and doesnt neccesserily mean people will cheat. In fact they dont.

err, computer says wrong Wild Weasel.... human nature dictates if the possibility to cheat exists, it will happen.
besides which... using mods is supporting the hacking of the sim, sorry to say

[Brain32]

Originally Posted by Bearcat

So ... all the mods are cheats right?

Did I say that? You guys are also guilty for all the flames with such reactions, that BS "you are either with us or against us" attitude is not helping anyone

Originally Posted by Bearcat

Y'see the thing that you don't get is that while there may be cheat mods out there.. I can't deny that.. I haven't seen any but I cant deny that they exist... but here you say
that because a person is using mods they can't possibly know about cheats.. what.. you think it is like some kind of virus or something...

And what is person doing with mods on a server, that publically and very politely announced that it's users do not want mods on the server, that has messages warning about disapproval of mods on the server popping out in the chatbar every few minutes, what?

Originally Posted by Bearcat

MODS DO NOT EQUAL CHEATS. JUST BECAUSE A PERSON USES MODS DOES NOT MEAN THAT HE/SHE CONDONES OR PRACTICES CHEATING.

I agree completely, but I ask again what is a presumably honest mod user doing with mods on a server that politely requests no mods?

Originally Posted by Bearcat

Just because a person uses mods does not mean that their version of the sim is hot and ready to become a cheat factory. That is not how the mods work. The majority of those mods have nothing to do with FMs or DMs at all....

That appears to be true, because of childs way of thinking(by that I mean honest, naive thinking and general disbelief somebody could do wrong with something that can be used for good) you guys can't think "out of the box" when we talk about cheats...

Here, I will tell you what what I expirienced;
- the most common is invisible plane, bounced with tracers coming out of thin air, my squad buddy saw no plane, other example idiot in invisible bomber spawns on the field and shoots planes around with turrets...
- FM switching a variations to the theme, personally saw a P51 I could easily catch but couldn't outturn or outclimb no matter what, he tied a few of us until we applied anti-Spitfire tactics lol
- not to mention how many people fly with adjusted gunsights, mirrors, 6DOF and cool stuff like that.
As you can notice the above things were obviously made by amateurs, I'm afraid to think what someone good with Java could do...

Also I only responded here because Urufu sugested there are no cheats and we make things up, that's unacceptable.

As for hanging with wrong or right people this comment Bercat you did not need, was rather ruthless thing to say IMO.

[Urufu_Shinjiro]

Originally Posted by Brain32

Here, I will tell you what what I expirienced;
- the most common is invisible plane, bounced with tracers coming out of thin air, my squad buddy saw no plane, other example idiot in invisible bomber spawns on the field and shoots planes around with turrets...
- FM switching a variations to the theme, personally saw a P51 I could easily catch but couldn't outturn or outclimb no matter what, he tied a few of us until we applied anti-Spitfire tactics lol
- not to mention how many people fly with adjusted gunsights, mirrors, 6DOF and cool stuff like that.
As you can notice the above things were obviously made by amateurs, I'm afraid to think what someone good with Java could do...

Also I only responded here because Urufu sugested there are no cheats and we make things up, that's unacceptable.

I NEVER said there are no cheats, I said I've never encountered them online myself, I specifically said that cheats must exist but that it's no more a problem than it was before the mods and it's not rampant as was predicted in the beginning. Don't put words in my mouth.

As for the listed "cheats" above, the invisible planes were a problem long before the mods were out, a bad patch sequence causes this not cheaters (though it's possible it's a cheater you cannot hold it up as evidence since there is a common benign explaination for this phenomenon).

There is no way to prove there was FM switching involved in you P51 incident, I see threads all the time where someone states they cannot catch a particular variant they think they should be able to catch, before the mods came out! Gunsites, mirrors and 6DOF are all admittedly debatable but no more so than trackIR, rudder pedals and who has the power to run better graphics than others (situational awareness etc).


Look, I'm not saying there are not valid concerns about mods etc, I'm just saying the mass hysteria and doom and gloom are unjustified, as are the insults people are posting about mod users. If you feel that the cracking of the code is something you do not want to have anything to do with then thats fine, good on ya, but don't slander those with a different opinion and certainly don't spread lies and misinformation about the mods themselves just because you disagree with the way this started. Feel free to argue all day about the root of the issue and what it is that you disagree with, the cracking of olegs IP, but there's no need to sling mud and to take the topic to ridiculous area's that have nothing to do with reality or the cracking of the code.

[SlipBall]

So, this is the result's of a hacked then modded game. A divided community, a dislike of one another based on their stated beliefs. I think it much better to leave a great sim like IL2 alone, in the first place. Then we will only hate those that shoot us down...no going back now, enjoy it the way that you perfer

[Bearcat]

I dont dislike anyone here... What I dislike is people saying that they don't think mods in and of themselves are cheats.. yet in just about every sentence that has the word mod in it cheats are close behind.. and the relation of the two words by these postedrs insinuates that the two are equal and they arent. In the bigger scheme of things.. my having Redtail skins as the defaults for my mustangs, or having a custom splash screen, or even the 6DoF mod.. constitutes no discernable advantage over someone who does not have these things. With the 6DoF I mean if I am flying against someone who has TIR4 w/o 6Dof and I have the 6DoF.. there is not much difference in the sense that the action is fluid... and since both users are constantly moving me being able to glimpse the tip of a wing from behind a spar means little.

This thread is a waste of time because everyone here has their views. I used to feel the same way as many of the anti modders and it was only when the potential fears that I had were not realized .. from the quality of the mods to the proliferation of cheats that I decided to try them and I am glad I did.

I have purchased enough copies of this series through out the past 7 years.. and I am talking more than 10 here at full retail price mind you, except for the last 2 copies of 46.. they were $20... if you add up the entire series and include gifts spares etc.... Not to mention the hundreds spent on upgrading my rig to use the software... then factoring in the time spent actually using it, promoting it, because I do... all the time. I have most of the videos on my laptop... not to mention about 200 screenshots... If I get into the copies I actually sold when I either worked retail at my local Best Buy or while just browsing in a store that sold the product and saw someone checking out the flight sims... I think I have more than earned the right to choose from something that is available to me... that is not taking money from Oleg's pocket. These mods are not being sold... no one is making money off the work... or taking food off 1C's collective tables... I don't know why 4.09 was not released .. perhaps it does have just about all to do with the mods.. I don't know and Oleg isn't talking... but these mods have been an improvement to my enjoyment of the sim.... and I don't knowingly associate with cheaters... so if you are against mods.. fine.. if you are against cheats.... that's fine too... but mod=cheat does not compute with me. Cheaters cheat...

[Wolf_Rider]

I did mention, "however self justified"... didn't I?


Cheaters cheat and hackers steal

[311thCopperhead]

Originally Posted by Bearcat

I dont dislike anyone here... What I dislike is people saying that they don't think mods in and of themselves are cheats.. yet in just about every sentence that has the word mod in it cheats are close behind.. and the relation of the two words by these postedrs insinuates that the two are equal and they arent. In the bigger scheme of things.. my having Redtail skins as the defaults for my mustangs, or having a custom splash screen, or even the 6DoF mod.. constitutes no discernable advantage over someone who does not have these things. With the 6DoF I mean if I am flying against someone who has TIR4 w/o 6Dof and I have the 6DoF.. there is not much difference in the sense that the action is fluid... and since both users are constantly moving me being able to glimpse the tip of a wing from behind a spar means little.

This thread is a waste of time because everyone here has their views. I used to feel the same way as many of the anti modders and it was only when the potential fears that I had were not realized .. from the quality of the mods to the proliferation of cheats that I decided to try them and I am glad I did. I have purchased enough copies of this series through out the past 7 years.. and I am talking more than 10 here at full retail price mind you, except for the last 2 copies of 46.. they were $20... if you add up the entire series and include gifts spares etc.... Not to mention the hundreds spent on upgrading my rig to use the software... then factoring in the time spent actually using it, promoting it, because I do... all the time. I have most of the videos on my laptop... not to mention about 200 screenshots... If I get into the copies I actually sold when I either worked retail at my local Best Buy or while just browsing in a store that sold the product and saw someone checking out the flight sims... I think I have more than earned the right to choose from something that is available to me... that is not taking money from Oleg's pocket. These mods are not being sold... no one is making money off the work... or taking food off 1C's collective tables... I don't know why 4.09 was not released .. perhaps it does have just about all to do with the mods.. I don't know and Oleg isn't talking... but these mods have been an improvement to my enjoyment of the sim.... and I don't knowingly associate with cheaters... so if you are against mods.. fine.. if you are against cheats.... that's fine too... but mod=cheat does not compute with me. Cheaters cheat...

Comon Bear. that's kinda BS man. if no ones taking a profit then why is aaa begging for thousands in "DONATIONS". how is that not stealing? how is that not taking a profit from some one elses work?
and like i just said all of these "new customers" coming to the sim becuse of the mods are not actually buying the sim the same way you or i did over the years....they're getting it for free. So i just can't help but wondering why in the hell you keep going to bat for these ppl.

[Brain32]

Originally Posted by Urufu_Shinjiro

Look, I'm not saying there are not valid concerns about mods etc, I'm just saying the mass hysteria and doom and gloom are unjustified, as are the insults people are posting about mod users. If you feel that the cracking of the code is something you do not want to have anything to do with then thats fine, good on ya, but don't slander those with a different opinion and certainly don't spread lies and misinformation about the mods themselves just because you disagree with the way this started. Feel free to argue all day about the root of the issue and what it is that you disagree with, the cracking of olegs IP, but there's no need to sling mud and to take the topic to ridiculous area's that have nothing to do with reality or the cracking of the code.

Sorry but wrong adress, if Copperhead and some other insult you, then that's the problem with you and him/them there is no need to spread BS on me. That is the problem with such discussion as you guys get so fired up by the flamers you also can't discuss reasonably.
Cheats are a problem now and they weren't before, you again here tried to justify and explain what I said but we both now it's BS.

There is also one thing even worse than cheats - the mistrust between players and the doubt you have at every strange thing you see especially if once you really saw cheating in use. I know you guys are just humans also and get offended reading Coppers and some other posts but if you would see just what you post from a "third" persons view you would find little to no difference between Copperhead's comments and yours.

Same sh1t - different wrapping