I hate the wrong data in Il2 strmovik 1946

[SturmKreator]

Originally Posted by *DZR*Chimanov

Yet another useless thread from a Luftwhinner...

(sorry for my "diplomacy", but he doesn´t deserve more than that)

well I love the germans planes becouse this conutry bougth tho most letal fighters

[flyingbullseye]

Originally Posted by SturmKreator

well I love the germans planes becouse this conutry bougth tho most letal fighters

Tha's a relative observation don't you think? Most lethal in what aspect? Firepower? For the most part sure, except the 109 but still. It really comes down to the pilot, heck an A6M2 Zero can whip a FW190 D9 if flown correctly.

Flyingbullseye

[SturmKreator]

Originally Posted by flyingbullseye

Tha's a relative observation don't you think? Most lethal in what aspect? Firepower? For the most part sure, except the 109 but still. It really comes down to the pilot, heck an A6M2 Zero can whip a FW190 D9 if flown correctly.

Flyingbullseye

Hey this in the real life no the game, with a zero you can`t down at fw1900 d9, this is a madness, the german have a better planes of history, american pilots have afraid when they see a fw190 and that is true

[Furio]

SturmKreator wrote:
I think with the new simulation this situation happend again.

If you mean than there will be complaints, I think you are right.

SturmKreator wrote:
with a zero you can`t down at fw190 d9.

But Zeros downed P51 and P47, which, in turn, downed FW190, wich downed La7, and so on...

[ElAurens]

Originally Posted by SturmKreator

american pilots have afraid when they see a fw190 and that is true

Don't tell all the 190 pilots that were shot down by afraid Americans that.

Son, we all have our favorite aircraft, and that is all well and good. But if you are going to make all kinds of claims about your favorite, you need to back them up with factual information, not lines from a propaganda film. No one will take you seriously otherwise.

[Former_Older]

OK. I had not read this reply before I posted last.

Originally Posted by SturmKreator

Hey this in the real life no the game, with a zero you can`t down at fw1900 d9,

Absolutely you can down a Focke-Wulf of any make with an A6M. As you say, "hey, this is in real life"

To argue otherwise is flatly wrong. There is nothing inherently superior that makes a FW 190-D9 invulnerable to an A6M. You are talking as if this were Fantasyland. The FW 190-D9 was not invincible, this is not a trading card game in which one card defeats another, and neither was historical air combat. You must b joking with this statement. Or do you perhaps disagree with von Richtofen's idea of "it's the man, not the machine"?

Originally Posted by SturmKreator

this is a madness, the german have a better planes of history,

Germans made fine aircraft but to make a blanket statement that disallows any other nation to have made fine aircraft as well is a false reality that blindly ignores anything but one's own personal opinion and jingoistic bias

In addition to many fine and advanced aircraft, the Germans also made a lot of planes that were simply bad or were not thought out completely, or just plain of poor construction, unless you consider planes shedding bits in flight to be an acceptable standard. In addition, in the first world war, the Germans made some planes that were so un-suitable they looked to another country for combat planes in many cases...just like the Americans did!

Originally Posted by SturmKreator

american pilots have afraid when they see a fw190 and that is true

Americans were in fact afraid of German planes. Why should they not be? Only an idiot would not be afraid of guns pointing at them. Germans were afraid of American planes as well, and this is documentably true as evidenced by oral and written histories recorded of and by Luftwaffe pilots.

You are boldly wrong, plainly incorrect, and arrogantly ignorant.

You have not come here to talk about the simulation my friend. You have come here to troll

Merry Christmas and have a nice day, Storm Maker. Or should I say Pot Stirrer!

[IceFire]

Originally Posted by Former_Older

OK. I had not read this reply before I posted last.



Absolutely you can down a Focke-Wulf of any make with an A6M. As you say, "hey, this is in real life"

To argue otherwise is flatly wrong. There is nothing inherently superior that makes a FW 190-D9 invulnerable to an A6M. You are talking as if this were Fantasyland. The FW 190-D9 was not invincible, this is not a trading card game in which one card defeats another, and neither was historical air combat. You must b joking with this statement. Or do you perhaps disagree with von Richtofen's idea of "it's the man, not the machine"?



Germans made fine aircraft but to make a blanket statement that disallows any other nation to have made fine aircraft as well is a false reality that blindly ignores anything but one's own personal opinion and jingoistic bias

In addition to many fine and advanced aircraft, the Germans also made a lot of planes that were simply bad or were not thought out completely, or just plain of poor construction, unless you consider planes shedding bits in flight to be an acceptable standard. In addition, in the first world war, the Germans made some planes that were so un-suitable they looked to another country for combat planes in many cases...just like the Americans did!



Americans were in fact afraid of German planes. Why should they not be? Only an idiot would not be afraid of guns pointing at them. Germans were afraid of American planes as well, and this is documentably true as evidenced by oral and written histories recorded of and by Luftwaffe pilots.

You are boldly wrong, plainly incorrect, and arrogantly ignorant.

You have not come here to talk about the simulation my friend. You have come here to troll

Merry Christmas and have a nice day, Storm Maker. Or should I say Pot Stirrer!

Right on the money. To claim that a FW190D-9 is invulnerable to a Zero shows an obvious lack of understanding of the subject and sounds more like reading the watered down version of history rather than truly understanding air combat.

There are so many factors in air combat...the machine is definitely a crucial part and the Germans made excellent air combat machines but the difference between a FW190D-9 and a A6M Zero is not so great that given the right situation and the right pilot the Zero could not be the victor through proper employment of the various air combat techniques.

Air combat is often not a fair fight. What if the Zero in this hypothetical battles knows the FW190 is there but the FW190 does not. Surprise attack and the FW190 is down. Or the FW190 pilot miscalculates a turn and the Zero cuts the corner and again has guns and shoots him down. These are of course hypothetical since a Zero never fought a FW190 in an actual battle...but no plane is immune to any other.

[SturmKreator]

Originally Posted by Former_Older

OK. I had not read this reply before I posted last.



Absolutely you can down a Focke-Wulf of any make with an A6M. As you say, "hey, this is in real life"

To argue otherwise is flatly wrong. There is nothing inherently superior that makes a FW 190-D9 invulnerable to an A6M. You are talking as if this were Fantasyland. The FW 190-D9 was not invincible, this is not a trading card game in which one card defeats another, and neither was historical air combat. You must b joking with this statement. Or do you perhaps disagree with von Richtofen's idea of "it's the man, not the machine"?



Germans made fine aircraft but to make a blanket statement that disallows any other nation to have made fine aircraft as well is a false reality that blindly ignores anything but one's own personal opinion and jingoistic bias

In addition to many fine and advanced aircraft, the Germans also made a lot of planes that were simply bad or were not thought out completely, or just plain of poor construction, unless you consider planes shedding bits in flight to be an acceptable standard. In addition, in the first world war, the Germans made some planes that were so un-suitable they looked to another country for combat planes in many cases...just like the Americans did!



Americans were in fact afraid of German planes. Why should they not be? Only an idiot would not be afraid of guns pointing at them. Germans were afraid of American planes as well, and this is documentably true as evidenced by oral and written histories recorded of and by Luftwaffe pilots.

You are boldly wrong, plainly incorrect, and arrogantly ignorant.

You have not come here to talk about the simulation my friend. You have come here to troll

Merry Christmas and have a nice day, Storm Maker. Or should I say Pot Stirrer!

look my friend, read more and dont follow all that you see, like a "the history channel" (or the gringory channel how I call), think better before writte, read in special books of editorial OSPREY, and you can know about the true, i have test germans about fw190 A8, look this chart:

this documents are translate to english, you can see the real velocity indicated

[choctaw111]

Many people complain about performance figures whether they fly for BLUE or RED.
Someone once said that since everyone complains just about equally, Oleg must have gotten it right.

[IceFire]

Originally Posted by SturmKreator

look my friend, read more and dont follow all that you see, like a "the history channel" (or the gringory channel how I call), think better before writte, read in special books of editorial OSPREY, and you can know about the true, i have test germans about fw190 A8, look this chart:

this documents are translate to english, you can see the real velocity indicated

And what is that telling us and how are you comparing it to the game? That particular chart is the average cruise speed/fuel consumption/flight endurance chart...