30mm Mine-Geschoss HE/T round Mk108

[MaxGunz]

I shell should make a big orange fireball.

I don't know how they coded the HE explosion but maybe closer to reality than any hit will do. For the massive damage in reality the explosion has to be far enough from an inside surface for shock waves and reflected shock waves to reinforce themselves. I'm trying to remember the term, it is like mach spike or something that was used to explain the huge damage in the Lockerbie plane bombing. Too close to the skin and there's a hole that lets the force right out but just right and pow, enormous damage. Since each DM part is 3D modeled and Oleg is detail oriented it may have such a basis. He did mention that blasts -on- the surface won't make big damage but did have both language and time barriers to full explanations.

I remember when 20mm exploding a hand width next to pilot's head had no effect in one release. I sent a track in and maybe others did too. There was a change but that was 9 or 10 years ago and all I remember was being happier for the change.

[IceFire]

I think I remember that too Max. There were some odd bugs and quirks here and there.

I did do a retest of my earlier example. Same deal with a Bf109 and MK108 nose gun. Single round shots into the Spitfires. A few escaped the first shot relatively unscathed in two of the cases. Must not have been the Mine shell on that one? The second shot absolutely finished them off.

So I'll revise my earlier testing results and suggest that any Spitfire LF.IX will go down in 2 hits from a MK108. The first hit is sometimes not fully lethal but as I said.. probably not the Mine shell. Even then. You have a cannon with a very high fire rate that often comes in installations of 1 nose cannon or multiple nose/wing cannons that can nearly guarantee catastrophic damage to a target plane in 1-2 hits.

[MaxGunz]

Originally Posted by IceFire

I think I remember that too Max. There were some odd bugs and quirks here and there.

I did do a retest of my earlier example. Same deal with a Bf109 and MK108 nose gun. Single round shots into the Spitfires. A few escaped the first shot relatively unscathed in two of the cases. Must not have been the Mine shell on that one? The second shot absolutely finished them off.

So I'll revise my earlier testing results and suggest that any Spitfire LF.IX will go down in 2 hits from a MK108. The first hit is sometimes not fully lethal but as I said.. probably not the Mine shell. Even then. You have a cannon with a very high fire rate that often comes in installations of 1 nose cannon or multiple nose/wing cannons that can nearly guarantee catastrophic damage to a target plane in 1-2 hits.

As to the part above that I bolded, why be satisfied with a guess when you don't have to? The incendiary blast was big last I remember but I leaned away from Mk 108 before the last PF patch. 151/20 otoh....

I've rested twice since I posted last and the term just came to me, it's mach stem. I wouldn't put it past Oleg to have put it into the DM just to keep wing tip or similar hits from demolishing planes they should not be able to. IE, not a bug but a realism feature.

[IceFire]

Originally Posted by MaxGunz

As to the part above that I bolded, why be satisfied with a guess when you don't have to? The incendiary blast was big last I remember but I leaned away from Mk 108 before the last PF patch. 151/20 otoh....

I've rested twice since I posted last and the term just came to me, it's mach stem. I wouldn't put it past Oleg to have put it into the DM just to keep wing tip or similar hits from demolishing planes they should not be able to. IE, not a bug but a realism feature.

Yeah I should have been running with Arcade=1 but didn't. I wanted to see if there really was a problem or not. Frankly I don't think there is and while I don't know the programming I'd agree with you that Oleg's team likely made sure there were some realism features or at least some sort of modifiers in place to prevent some weird things from happening too often. Not every MK108 (or any other gun) hit is going to be 100% perfect or 100% of it's lethal potential... you'd expect some natural variability in there just for probabilities sake. Agreed with you completely even if I'm not familiar with the specific term

MK108... definitely a killing machine!

[MaxGunz]

Mk 108 MG shell has massive power but even if you hit a wing tip with a dump truck it's not going to destroy the whole wing.

It has limits in rate of fire, ammo and velocity affecting range that leave me preferring the 20mm. But then I've been pretty good at deflection and longer shots.

The worst things happen online. It's like kids playing guns back before the country went nuts. Bang bang got you, nooooo you didn't!