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Old 11-05-2012, 07:56 PM
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I'm sorry to have to do this and please don't take personal offense. Read this article and maybe you will start to understand. This is a video game. The guy who plays it from a purely competitive mindset is approaching it completely different than the guy playing from simulation/history mindset. You play for fun/leisure, he plays for sport. The article will probably upset you but you should read it to the end.

http://www.sirlin.net/ptw-book/intermediates-guide.html
No personal offense taken here, I understand your sentiment and what you're trying to say, no offense at all to you and your intelligence, but surely you cannot be that dense and believe that any aspect of online gaming on any platform is completely pure and devoid of the scum that are cheaters.

It's extremely possible in this game to cheat undetected with scripts and/or FM modifications, you have to admit that, because it's fact. Fact proven, explained, demonstrated and shown to a select few by ATAG members themselves...something to the tune of a 500-700mph aircraft in level flight on one of their test sessions. The smart cheaters don't make it blatantly obvious so they can get away with it and keep cheating. I wouldn't be surprised if there were lots of people using maphacks to get locations on enemy aircraft and nothing else...which is enough to skew the game drastically.

The first step towards doing something about cheaters is realizing there is a problem. I see no one here crying that they got shot down by a better pilot, but that they notice something is not right.

notafinger and others, do you need examples of hacks as proof that this happens everwhere and that it's not just a case of unmatched skills?...

Planetside 2 - Deemed unhackable at one point. Here is a video of a player using an aimbot and a maphack (that square map thing on the top isn't supposed to be there) that shows all locations of players. All possible by manipulating data while in RAM, where the cheat protection checks have already been passed through:


Battlefield 3 - The hacks and cheats in this game are ridiculous and seemingly endless in their creativity. This video here shows my personal encounter with a cheater named dieselgreen. He was aimbotting, headshotting people with a sniper rifle while running and jumping while rapidly firing. All possible by manipulating data while in RAM, where the cheat protection checks have already been passed through:


IL2 1946 - Here's a ridiculous hack from 1946...the same engine that CloD is based on, mind you, meaning the same methods and tools can be used in CloD to produce the same effects if one were so technically inclined:


Please, don't be naive. Do not pass off suspicions as simple personal misjudgment of skills and ability, I'm confident that 99% of the active CloD crowd aren't those kind of people./

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Old 11-05-2012, 08:08 PM
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To me it doesn't matter if a person is a noob or an ace. Just checking the kill stats window inflight and watching numbers going up for certain pilots, to ridiculous figures within one hours flying time is enough to put up the yellow caution flags for me. This is repeated over and over.

Nobody is that good!

That they can have 14 kills within an hour while other very good pilots and well-known are around 3 or so. The statistics are important here. Heck, there isn't enough ammo on board for these numbers and not enough time to land and takeoff again to even find enough targets to initiate these numbers. Something is very amiss.

I've seen some pilots totaling up to 10 plus kills but they've been online for most of the day - not one hour and not necessarily repeatable.

I've been flying for many years and In my mind I'm convinced that there are good pilots out there that have some additional augmentation going on. The stats indicate that possibility.

I have no idea what these are because I do not spend any effort into looking at mods - not my style.

This is why IMHO that VAC needs to be turned on and active and the developers should have made it a part of their final delivery.
Week ago maybe my friend was flying on the blue side and killed 16 planes (spits and hurries) in 1 hour, then he changed for the red side and came on ATAG TS and continued to do the same.
Lot of pilots on the server and he used to go low on Manston and Hawkinge.
Target rich envirement.He didn't strafe he like to turn with spits.

Please give us some proof or stop accusing people.

I never saw anything suspicious.109 just have better zoom climb and can hang on engine much longer than spit and it is very stable even on zero speed.I was using that even against old super spitIIa and it worked most of the times.109 you can run on 2600 rpm and then it climbs better than on automatic prop pitch.

I just wonder why I never saw threads like this one or like weapons don't work ect. on the sukhoi forum and belive me there are a lot of very strong pilots there.
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Old 11-05-2012, 08:36 PM
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AbortedMan, you cannot seriously be comparing games like BF3 with huge online populations to the tiny, tiny online community of CloD. Every game has hacks, that is unavoidable. What I refuse to believe it is as rampant as some of you seem to believe. At most we are talking about one or two guys. Run fraps, catch the guy in the act, and show them to server admins.
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Old 11-05-2012, 08:42 PM
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Easy, go on ATAG and shoot down 14 bombers... I could easily shoot down that many on one trip especially if no escorts are around.

Alternatively vulch an airfield where people keep spawning.

Most of the better pilots dont do this because its not what they are there for, like myself. If I wanted to club seals I'd go for a holiday in Canada!
The pilots I observe are not shooting bombers!!
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Old 11-05-2012, 08:43 PM
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AbortedMan, you cannot seriously be comparing games like BF3 with huge online populations to the tiny, tiny online community of CloD. Every game has hacks, that is unavoidable. What I refuse to believe it is as rampant as some of you seem to believe. At most we are talking about one or two guys. Run fraps, catch the guy in the act, and show them to server admins.
Yes, I wholly agree, 1 or 2 guys at a time on the server during prime-time. I never meant to imply an entire side was cheating, sorry for not making that clear.

I just felt that some people's sentiment in this thread are under the impression that cheating is not possible or happening and wanted to educate/enlighten them a bit.
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Old 11-05-2012, 08:45 PM
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The pilots I observe are not shooting bombers!!
Ditto. I was going to comment the same thing.
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Old 11-05-2012, 08:48 PM
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I'm sorry to have to do this and please don't take personal offense. Read this article and maybe you will start to understand. This is a video game. The guy who plays it from a purely competitive mindset is approaching it completely different than the guy playing from simulation/history mindset. You play for fun/leisure, he plays for sport. The article will probably upset you but you should read it to the end.

http://www.sirlin.net/ptw-book/intermediates-guide.html
Not interested in comparing the different types of mindsets in gaming. I do know and I've been around enough to know that in this medium, there are no guarantees as to the honour of anyone competing.

That's why most good fliers are in squadrons with squadron etiquette and ROE in effect. Open public servers - no guarantee as to who you meet or fly against. There are some pretty big low-life people out there just as there is the opposite.

I stand by my observations of the odds of score accumulation taking into consideration all the facets of this sim.

Public servers - just like public chat rooms invite all types and without controls in place . . . . . will say no more.

As an aside, you don't really know what my mindset is in the gaming world.

Again, I draw your attention to the statistics of kills ratio and what is known to be doable by those, including me, who have been here a very very long time.

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Old 11-05-2012, 08:58 PM
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Please give us some proof or stop accusing people.
Read my post again. I indicated that the numbers on kills by certain pilots are raising yellow flags.

That is not an accusation but a referral to some that there is something happening and it is not just due to the skill of the pilot itself.

Don't be so naive to believe that modifications do not take place. Regarding Russian pilots - there are many Western pilots just as good. Hmmmmm, I wonder why it seems that there is quite often a referral to Russian pilots being good and little referrals to Western pilots being good? The laws of averages do not apply like this so just possibly, just possibly, something is amiss?
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Old 11-05-2012, 09:24 PM
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I for one, do not understand the purpose of this thread.
We all know that there are, and always will be, cheaters on ANY game. Having No-VAC, VAC, or even a server admin sitting next to each pilot will not stop it, only slow it.

Personally, I have not seen any indication of cheating but if there is 1 or 2 cheaters on prime time where there are 90 players, I will have a 2% chance of interacting with one and a 4% if counting only the opposite army.

This 4% does not keep me awake at night and I'm pretty sure they will eventually get tired of the game and move on. The ones that stay, will do because of the challenge and passion for the game, not because they need to increase a virtual counter of some kind.

The above does not mean that, if proof is submitted, the cheaters should not get a permanent ban from all servers.

My 2 cents.

Over and out.
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Old 11-05-2012, 09:24 PM
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Read my post again. I indicated that the numbers on kills by certain pilots are raising yellow flags.

That is not an accusation but a referral to some that there is something happening and it is not just due to the skill of the pilot itself.

Don't be so naive to believe that modifications do not take place. Regarding Russian pilots - there are many Western pilots just as good. Hmmmmm, I wonder why it seems that there is quite often a referral to Russian pilots being good and little referrals to Western pilots being good? The laws of averages do not apply like this so just possibly, just possibly, something is amiss?
Easy Cat, in my experience on these forums speaking in even the slightest blanket terms and broad generalities towards groups tends to get you in trouble.
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