Question for Luthier

kendo65 · #1 10-02-2012, 09:54 PM

I really don't see any contradiction in those 3 quotes.

Here's my understanding of it

A) Sequel will install ontop of Cliffs Of Dover (merge), allowing clod content to be used & updated with sequel.

This is true.

B) Sequel will be stand-alone,

This is true too. In other words the sequel will be a standalone product for those who have not purchased COD. If you have COD then A applies.

but will include the content from clod allowing it to be used and updated with the rest of the engine.

No. I don't think so.

C) Cliffs Of Dover and its content will be abandoned by Maddox Games, and/or handed to the community for further development.

No. But map making SDK will be released allowing community to make changes to COD map(s)

klem · #2 10-02-2012, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by kendo65

I really don't see any contradiction in those 3 quotes.

I think the situation is pretty simple. I'm surprised that people are still confused and uncertain about this.

A) Sequel will install ontop of Cliffs Of Dover (merge), allowing clod content to be used & updated with sequel.

This is true.

B) Sequel will be stand-alone,

This is true too. In other words the sequel will be a standalone product for those who have not purchased COD. If you have COD then A applies.

but will include the content from clod allowing it to be used and updated with the rest of the engine.

No. I don't think so.

C) Cliffs Of Dover and its content will be abandoned by Maddox Games, and/or handed to the community for further development.

No. But map making SDK will be released allowing community to make changes to COD map(s)

I asked Luthier specifically about this, assuming the sequel will be loaded over CoD. This was his reply:

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Luthier, you say that many core problems will be fixed by the sequel but there will only be one more CoD patch. The fact that the sequel can be loaded over CoD means that CoD will benefit from all of those improvements. These may be net code, LODs etc which we may have to wait for.
BUT! Unique CoD issues have only one more chance. This essentially means the map and the aircraft. Everything else would seem to be 'core' although I may have missed something.

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Luthier: As stated previously, it’s still my hope that we’ll release a map-making SDK allowing the community to change the existing map as they see fit.
Aircraft – as I wrote previously, they won’t be abandoned with the upcoming final patch. We are carrying everything over to the sequel, and they will get the same attention as new sequel aircraft and definitely benefit from our future efforts.

planespotter · #3 10-02-2012, 10:22 PM

I see you have not an answer yet, so let me help.

At this time I cannot comment on the sequel.

Chivas · #4 10-02-2012, 10:33 PM

My take is.....When you buy the Sequel you will not need COD as all COD's content will be in the sequel, but much improved because of the updated game engine, AI, GUI, etc etc. Will it be improved enough to sell is another question, as people won't buy without doing their due diligence this time.

RickRuski · #5 10-02-2012, 10:34 PM

Looks like we are all reading something different into what Luthier has posted. As I read it C.o.D. will be abandoned after the final "Steam" patch, no more content just as the original Il2 was.
The sequel with the new engine will include the content from C.o.D. (or most of it) as a stand alone with further expansion being able to merge with this (as in FB, AEP and Pacific Fighters).
What we need is a playable demo of the new sequel to gain some confidence back that it will perform as advertised before we lay out our hard earned dollars for it. Most of us, especially those with Sli/Crossfire have been extreemly disappointed with the support we have had with this sim especially after the promises going back to April 2011.

klem · #6 10-03-2012, 07:20 AM

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Originally Posted by RickRuski

Looks like we are all reading something different into what Luthier has posted. As I read it C.o.D. will be abandoned after the final "Steam" patch, no more content just as the original Il2 was.
The sequel with the new engine will include the content from C.o.D. (or most of it) as a stand alone with further expansion being able to merge with this (as in FB, AEP and Pacific Fighters).
What we need is a playable demo of the new sequel to gain some confidence back that it will perform as advertised before we lay out our hard earned dollars for it. Most of us, especially those with Sli/Crossfire have been extreemly disappointed with the support we have had with this sim especially after the promises going back to April 2011.

I don't know if the sequel will give, free of charge, CoD to the sequel buyers or of it will benefit CoD by simply overwriting the core elements. Personally I have invested too much time and wishful thinking to abandon CoD if buying the sequel means not only an extension to the series but a fixing of core issues in CoD. Luthiers comments about 'no more fixes under the CoD project' seems to be talking about 'project funding' and no more is available for CoD but under the sequels's project funding it sounds as though things are being done to improve many aspects that will also benefit CoD.

And yes, a playable demo or even a limited beta accessible by registered testers (as was MS Flight and World of Planes) would be nice.

CaptainDoggles · #7 10-03-2012, 08:00 AM

Uh, guys? Luthier has stated that the sequel will not merge into CLOD.

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Originally Posted by luthier

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Can the sequel be merged with COD like the original il2 series and if it can will we get to test features that will be appearing in the sequel I.e. Weather etc.
This question Ilya! Please confirm that the sequel will be able to be merged with our current game as in all previous IL2 releases.

Definitely not planning to release any sequel features as add-ons for Cliffs of Dover, sorry.

CLOD is dead. Give it up.

Chivas · #8 10-03-2012, 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by CaptainDoggles

Uh, guys? Luthier has stated that the sequel will not merge into CLOD.

CLOD is dead. Give it up.

COD doesn't have to merge with the Sequel. The Sequel will have all of COD's content, which amounts to exactly the same thing as a merge. It will include the COD maps and missions, Russian maps and missions, and whatever improvements they've made to the game engine/features like the, AI, AI Commands, FM, DM, GUI, Clouds/Weather, and SDK etc. If the improvements are good enough the Sequel will sell, if they aren't the Sequel will join the dead Standalone COD.

MadTommy · #9 10-03-2012, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Chivas

COD doesn't have to merge with the Sequel. The Sequel will have all of COD's content, which amounts to exactly the same thing as a merge. It will include the COD maps and missions, Russian maps and missions, and whatever improvements they've made to the game engine/features like the, AI, AI Commands, FM, DM, GUI, Clouds/Weather, and SDK etc

I certainly hope that is the case.. but it is all as clear as mud. As is apparent from different people's interpretation.

If the sequel does not include the map & planes for a BoB scenario they will loose a lot of potential sales. Me for one. I want to fly Spitfires & Hurricanes over England.. simple as that. I have no interest in a Russian front.

planespotter · #10 10-03-2012, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Chivas

The Sequel will have all of COD's content, which amounts to exactly the same thing as a merge. It will include the COD maps and missions, Russian maps and missions, and whatever improvements they've made to the game engine/features like the, AI, AI Commands, FM, DM, GUI, Clouds/Weather, and SDK etc.

Your opinion, stated as fact, as usual.