British FM killing the fun of the game for allied pilots.

[Robo.]

Originally Posted by V.4_Pogi

Unfortunately, a lot of red pilot air combat knowledge depleted therein(honorable exceptions),that pulls level,with extended flaps. I think first,should be practiced in the other air combat tactics,because that kills the game a lot better.

~S~

Hey Pogi! This is not so much about tactics but about relative performance. Maybe you can take the Spitfire and show me how you defend against well flown 109 one day We've met on Repka 'mince meat' few times, you know what I mean mate... S!

*edit - I am very happy that in the 1.08 beta, they changed the neg-G behaviour. That on itself increased the chances to survive quite a bit. What it was before was quite terrible

[V.4_Pogi]

Originally Posted by Robo.

Hey Pogi! This is not so much about tactics but about relative performance. Maybe you can take the Spitfire and show me how you defend against well flown 109 one day We've met on Repka 'mince meat' few times, you know what I mean mate... S!

*edit - I am very happy that in the 1.08 beta, they changed the neg-G behaviour. That on itself increased the chances to survive quite a bit. What it was before was quite terrible

It may not be appropriate for the flight model and this applies to both sides, but I do not think that would solve the problem so they can fly. I stress, my respect for the exception .

[Robo.]

Originally Posted by V.4_Pogi

It may not be appropriate for the flight model and this applies to both sides, but I do not think that would solve the problem so they can fly. I stress, my respect for the exception .

I am not entirely sure if I understand what you're saying here mate

Of course it applies to both sides. There are issues in RAF and LW fms. And we only discuss the fighters here...

[V.4_Pogi]

Originally Posted by Robo.

Hey Pogi! This is not so much about tactics but about relative performance. Maybe you can take the Spitfire and show me how you defend against well flown 109 one day We've met on Repka 'mince meat' few times, you know what I mean mate... S!

I took your advice Robo, yesterday I flew Spit Ia 100 octane, and I have to say that I really enjoyed! I got 16.80 kills and only died twice, due to collisions (more than once had to bail out, thanks to the Spit damage resistance). I do not feel that I would have been at a disadvantage. I have to admit it was just a dogfight server and not the ATAG, but you're recommending it.

[Robo.]

Originally Posted by V.4_Pogi

I took your advice Robo, yesterday I flew Spit Ia 100 octane, and I have to say that I really enjoyed! I got 16.80 kills and only died twice, due to collisions (more than once had to bail out, thanks to the Spit damage resistance). I do not feel that I would have been at a disadvantage. I have to admit it was just a dogfight server and not the ATAG, but you're recommending it.

Yeah I've seen you. I suggested before you take a Ia and fight some good 109 pilots - which you didn't do at all

You took the 100 octane on the Blue side of the Repka server and I've seen you crawling on the deck with red spits. It's rather easy to be the only Spit on the blue side, picking the Spitfires that are involved in a fight with the Blue 109s and turn with them while they're being bounced. Very good tactics, I have no problem with that, just saying You got some no-name pilots flying the Spitfires or 109s, turning on the deck. That is indeed a DF mince meat server with air-start and icons and any experienced pilot will do a lot of damage in such condition, no matter what he flies. You didn't get in fight with a single 109 flying higher up.

Yet, with lots of shared kills I've seen you bailing out or crash landing very often (that wouldn't happen to you so often in a 109 you know that ), I personally happened to attack you only 3 times, everytime you've seen me and tried to break but I had no problem to hit you hard (and I was flying the E-3, not E-4 with Minengeschoss) and you had to bale out immediately, so I am not sure about the Spitfire damage resistance). It can take some serious damage in the wings, I agree and I hope they will fix that at some point with the fuel tanks and other DM issues.

So again, get that Ia and fly some mid alt fights against good 109 pilot(s), chose Red when there are no 109s to help you and see how your K/D will be in that case. And try to do the same thing on a server with overheating ON, you'll cook your engine in no time. Just for the record - you can fly on Repka at 3000rpm all the time, but normally your limit is 2600 with slightly more for shor periods of time (like 2850 for few minutes) and that's it. The 109s though will fly same rpm on Repka on ATAG or anywhere because that's the way it is.

[chantaje]

please fix the G 50!!!! 484 km/h at 5,000 m historical max speed. in game i cant go faster than 410 leveled

[gimpy117]

Originally Posted by chantaje

please fix the G 50!!!! 484 km/h at 5,000 m historical max speed. in game i cant go faster than 410 leveled

I'm for this

[PotNoodles]

I think if this game is going to stand out as been great, then it is going to have to get the FM correct. Seriously, if they are not going to get this right then how can it be classed as been great? I mean, you may aswell place an F16 jet in there and make up a FM for 109 to shoot it down. You cannot just make up your own FM if you are trying to make a sim.

[Bounder!]

Originally Posted by PotNoodles

I think if this game is going to stand out as been great, then it is going to have to get the FM correct. Seriously, if they are not going to get this right then how can it be classed as been great? I mean, you may aswell place an F16 jet in there and make up a FM for 109 to shoot it down. You cannot just make up your own FM if you are trying to make a sim.

+1 to this

The current flight model of the Spit 1a (both varients) and Spit 2a is miles off what it should be and seems to be going the wrong way. The last patch has killed these aircraft both with the engine overheating problems at mid-high altitude and these aircraft now suffer terrible acceleration and very poor climb rates compared to the 109.

We know roughly what the performance of these two aircraft were and how closely they matched up in reality during BoB which is one of the attractions to the BoB era imo. When the Spit 2a was vastly outperforming the 109 we had a lot of whining on the forums (quite rightly) but now we have the opposite situation with the 109s becoming the UFOs/rocket ships by comparison. This isn't a nerf the 109 post, it's a get the FM right for the sets of aircraft post. The Spit 1a variants and 2a are porked right now and need sorting out.

[Osprey]

The only correction to make to Bounder is that he says 'mid/high alt'. Of course this is not correct since 1C have failed to supply 'high alt' completely.