British FM killing the fun of the game for allied pilots.

[PotNoodles]

I think if this game is going to stand out as been great, then it is going to have to get the FM correct. Seriously, if they are not going to get this right then how can it be classed as been great? I mean, you may aswell place an F16 jet in there and make up a FM for 109 to shoot it down. You cannot just make up your own FM if you are trying to make a sim.

[Bounder!]

Originally Posted by PotNoodles

I think if this game is going to stand out as been great, then it is going to have to get the FM correct. Seriously, if they are not going to get this right then how can it be classed as been great? I mean, you may aswell place an F16 jet in there and make up a FM for 109 to shoot it down. You cannot just make up your own FM if you are trying to make a sim.

+1 to this

The current flight model of the Spit 1a (both varients) and Spit 2a is miles off what it should be and seems to be going the wrong way. The last patch has killed these aircraft both with the engine overheating problems at mid-high altitude and these aircraft now suffer terrible acceleration and very poor climb rates compared to the 109.

We know roughly what the performance of these two aircraft were and how closely they matched up in reality during BoB which is one of the attractions to the BoB era imo. When the Spit 2a was vastly outperforming the 109 we had a lot of whining on the forums (quite rightly) but now we have the opposite situation with the 109s becoming the UFOs/rocket ships by comparison. This isn't a nerf the 109 post, it's a get the FM right for the sets of aircraft post. The Spit 1a variants and 2a are porked right now and need sorting out.

[Osprey]

The only correction to make to Bounder is that he says 'mid/high alt'. Of course this is not correct since 1C have failed to supply 'high alt' completely.

[Talisman]

Sadly, I think this sim has already lost a lot of credibility in the eyes of many and I believe it is now in danger of losing credibility with even the more hard core enthusiasts as we lurch from bad to worse historical FM/performance, particularly in relation to red aircraft. If blue aircraft end up in as bad a state as red in this respect, we will really be in trouble. For me, it is the historical aspects that attract me to this sim. Take away the history and this might as well be Star Wars, which does not attract me at all.

[Osprey]

Wouldn't be so bad if we knew what was going on somewhat, and that we could actually trust the items they claim to be working on because tbh so far it's been a pack of lies. We presently have a mix between zero communication and just plain falsities. It's a horrible way to treat your customers.

There used to be 1000's playing 1946, now with barely 200 on that and about 50 on COD I fear that the fanbase is lost for good.

[PotNoodles]

Originally Posted by Osprey

Wouldn't be so bad if we knew what was going on somewhat, and that we could actually trust the items they claim to be working on because tbh so far it's been a pack of lies. We presently have a mix between zero communication and just plain falsities. It's a horrible way to treat your customers.

There used to be 1000's playing 1946, now with barely 200 on that and about 50 on COD I fear that the fanbase is lost for good.

I have to agree with this, it's been another 3 weeks without any update and to me that isn't good customer service. Seriously, if we are all expected to test these beta patches then we should also be updated frequently about what is going on. I don't see the point in giving feedback and hearing nothing from them for weeks.

[JtD]

Summer holidays. Might even happen in Russia.

[kristorf]

Just my two peneth,

Regarding online numbers.
If the Channel Map were fixed so coops could be played on it as was one of the original concept there would be a lot more squads use it, I know mine would be tempted to do so.

[NZtyphoon]

Originally Posted by Bounder!

+1 to this

The current flight model of the Spit 1a (both varients) and Spit 2a is miles off what it should be and seems to be going the wrong way. The last patch has killed these aircraft both with the engine overheating problems at mid-high altitude and these aircraft now suffer terrible acceleration and very poor climb rates compared to the 109.

We know roughly what the performance of these two aircraft were and how closely they matched up in reality during BoB which is one of the attractions to the BoB era imo. When the Spit 2a was vastly outperforming the 109 we had a lot of whining on the forums (quite rightly) but now we have the opposite situation with the 109s becoming the UFOs/rocket ships by comparison. This isn't a nerf the 109 post, it's a get the FM right for the sets of aircraft post. The Spit 1a variants and 2a are porked right now and need sorting out.

+100% The engine overheating is waaay overcooked, especially in the Spitfire II; the real Merlin XIIs and subsequent variants had a completely revised cooling system using 70% H20 and 30% Glycol, leading to a great improvement in the engine's thermal characteristics - with the 100% glycol the Merlin III always ran hotter and the gaskets had a much shorter life. There is plenty of info out there - perhaps time to launch a legitimate bug report.

[Kurfürst]

Originally Posted by NZtyphoon

+100% The engine overheating is waaay overcooked, especially in the Spitfire II; the real Merlin XIIs and subsequent variants had a completely revised cooling system using 70% H20 and 30% Glycol, leading to a great improvement in the engine's thermal characteristics - with the 100% glycol the Merlin III always ran hotter and the gaskets had a much shorter life. There is plenty of info out there - perhaps time to launch a legitimate bug report.

I don't see any documentation - aka "plenty of info" - here, just the usual specualtion that everything was purrrfect - especially when the said idea comes from a "contributor" who never even have had tried the actual thing in the sim.

The issue may be still legit, but without knowing what were the real cooling properties of the Spitfire Mk. I/II and what are the cooling properties as modelled in Clod compared to the real thing, we are just wasting time.