Friday Update, April 13, 2012

[ATAG_Dutch]

Originally Posted by VO101_Tom

They shot down bombers...

Interesting report for you Tom.

http://www.wwiiaircraftperformance.o...ricane-109.pdf

[VO101_Tom]

Originally Posted by ATAG_Dutch

Interesting report for you Tom.

http://www.wwiiaircraftperformance.o...ricane-109.pdf

I do not doubt that they fought against fighters, but the Hurricane primarily responsible was shooting down the bombers. (or i miss something? Spitfire praise is actually a fake thing?)

Interest test, who was the 109 pilot? I mean, the Hurri find himself behind the 109 after couple of hard turn, but what doing the 109? why not using trimm in the section 6? If he was newbie 109 pilot, dared to pull the stick until the leading edge flap open? (not a word on this subject). The German aces have said, doghfight in the 109 was started, when the slats out ...

Te conclusion is: The 109 faster 30-40 mph, outclimb, and initially outdive the Hurri. But the Hurri turning ability is better (with these two pilot). This is true in the game... or not?

[Al Schlageter]

Originally Posted by VO101_Tom

I do not doubt that they fought against fighters, but the Hurricane primarily responsible was shooting down the bombers. (or i miss something? Spitfire praise is actually a fake thing?)

Is that like 190s were for shooting down Allied heavy bombers and the 109 was for shooting down Allied fighters?

[VO101_Tom]

Originally Posted by Al Schlageter

Is that like 190s were for shooting down Allied heavy bombers and the 109 was for shooting down Allied fighters?

iirc the Hurri responsible to shot down bombers, because it was slower than any other fighter in the BOB. I think this is a completely legitimate reason...
I dont know what was the RLM standards, in the Royal Hunagarian Air Force, the 190 was used as Jabo planes.

[zapatista]

Originally Posted by VO101_Tom

iirc the Hurri responsible to shot down bombers, because it was slower than any other fighter in the BOB. I think this is a completely legitimate reason....

the hurricanes were initially mainly tasked with engaging enemy bombers because there were only 2 fighter planes available that were fast enough to catch up to the bombers and engage them. of the 2 available planes, the hurricane was the weapon of choice because:
- it was a more stable gun platform
- it had heavier gun armaments at the start of BoB compared to the spitfire
- it could stand (slightly) heavier damage then the spitfire from german bomber defensive guns
- it was less fast and less agile then the spitfire, so significantly less competitive with the 109's, so by default it was relegated to the bomber interception role (out of the 2 choices the RAF had)

[klem]

Originally Posted by zapatista

the hurricanes were initially mainly tasked with engaging enemy bombers because there were only 2 fighter planes available that were fast enough to catch up to the bombers and engage them. of the 2 available planes, the hurricane was the weapon of choice because:
- it was a more stable gun platform
- it had heavier gun armaments at the start of BoB compared to the spitfire
- it could stand (slightly) heavier damage then the spitfire from german bomber defensive guns
- it was less fast and less agile then the spitfire, so significantly less competitive with the 109's, so by default it was relegated to the bomber interception role (out of the 2 choices the RAF had)

- it had heavier gun armaments at the start of BoB compared to the spitfire

just one point zapatista, both aircraft had the same eight Browning 0.303" machine guns from the start. The Hurricane was a more stable gun platform because it reacted less to the recoil. It had the guns grouped close together in the more solidly constructed wings, four in each wing about 1/4 the wing length from the fuselage. The Spitfire was a less stable platform due to its guns being spread along the wings and its outer wing reaction to recoil or aileron forces. This mean that any flexing or twisting of the wings would slightly move/twist the aim point of the outer guns.

[r0bc]

Right on...some good news

[Moggy]

Originally Posted by VO101_Tom

I do not doubt that they fought against fighters, but the Hurricane primarily responsible was shooting down the bombers. (or i miss something? Spitfire praise is actually a fake thing?)

That was how it supposed to be Tom (and the generally accepted truth), unfortunately it rarely turned out that way. During the battle, raids tended to be intercepted at squadron strength (especially for the 1st 2 months of the battle) be it Hurricanes, Spitfires etc. The plan of having Hurris attacking bombers and Spits tackling the 109 escorts just really didn't take place until later in the battle when 12 group came into their own during the battle over London. There was more time to organize the fighters and assign them to the correct altitude\vectors.

[Kwiatek]

Originally Posted by Frequent_Flyer View Post
Historically the Hurricane did account for more victories than the Spit in BOB. Historially accurate flight models combined with historical tactics should give all the combatants a fighting chance.

Originally Posted by VO101_Tom

They shot down bombers...

It looks that some have little knwowledge about these days but still they think they know better


Salute to 303 Squadron Pilots !

[Frequent_Flyer]

Originally Posted by Kwiatek

Originally Posted by Frequent_Flyer View Post
Historically the Hurricane did account for more victories than the Spit in BOB. Historially accurate flight models combined with historical tactics should give all the combatants a fighting chance.



It looks that some have little knwowledge about these days but still they think they know better


Salute to 303 Squadron Pilots !

The RAF certainly could have used the Poles more effectively. These pilots fought with the Polish airforce, and the French before the RAF. They had vastly more experience than their RAF hosts and yet they were an after thought, almost missing BOB.