The Crystal Ball 2

[Robert]

Originally Posted by 6S.Manu

This is the problem: if you have bad issues then tell us.. bad news are better than no news at all.

Let's be honest here. You know as well as I do that if the developers are the least bit open, there will be the same contingent of forumites who will ride them like an old horse. Frankly there was a topic posted last week by one of our members that I think put them over the edge. There's no respect from certain people, and it has caused every one to suffer.

I get that we're paying customers. I understand the frustration of not having something in working order. What I don't understand is how some could behave so poorly.... and then whine about it as if they have no bearing on why things are the way they are.

Some have complained about the updates regarding BoM as smoke and mirrors, when in reality it's proof that further development of the series is assured, AND that the product isn't abandoned. The developers aren't stupid. They know the lacks.

1C isn't without culpability, but we as forum members should look at our own behaviour too. If some of the folks here went on and on out side a resturant because of poor food, (like they do here) they'd be arrested for harrassment. Some have likened the release of this game to a $50,000 auto mobile. I invite you to try some of the shennanigans there as you do here.

We're all in the same boat waiting for this product to be what we all hoped it would be, but some folk's behaviour warrants the black out. No one is any more disappointed than the other forumite. Yet there are some who think they are doing good by being pretentious children. But then again, a child never does grasp the ramifications of their childish behaviour.


Regarding BoM? I'll wait to see whether improvements are executed before making a final decision. Making false threats of not purchasing because my feelings may be hurt because of the lack of updates is fool-hearty, IMO.




We're a small community. I've seen the same names from other forums for ten years. Others have changed names but can be recognisesd. 1C is small too. It's the relative size of both that permitts the intimacy and good communication we grew used to. I also think that's one of the reasons it's easy to take some of this personally. (Jusy my opinion.)

[6S.Manu]

Please excuse me if I'm multiquoting (can i use this word? ).

Originally Posted by Robert

Let's be honest here. You know as well as I do that if the developers are the least bit open, there will be the same contingent of forumites who will ride them like an old horse. Frankly there was a topic posted last week by one of our members that I think put them over the edge. There's no respect from certain people, and it has caused every one to suffer.

We are so many in this board: it's a community and like in every community you can meet the black sheep. Penalizing all the board because of a pair of fools is acting like a child ("the ball is mine and I'm going home!")
The real offenders are clowns... still the other guys need to not be so touchy (B6's episode... probably caused by the language barrier).

Originally Posted by Robert

I get that we're paying customers. I understand the frustration of not having something in working order. What I don't understand is how some could behave so poorly.... and then whine about it as if they have no bearing on why things are the way they are.

But we HAVE no bearing on it.

Originally Posted by Robert

Some have complained about the updates regarding BoM as smoke and mirrors, when in reality it's proof that further development of the series is assured, AND that the product isn't abandoned. The developers aren't stupid. They know the lacks.

I'm not telling they are stupid. But this was sold as the definitive combat flight simulator, developed by a really small team. I can tell that the development of an engine is by far more difficult than model 3D objects... and now we have lacking engines (graphic, FM, probably DM too, since we have not a test tool about it... a thing that the developers should have to debug the application but are not publishing...) but so many beautiful 3D object (still not used)!

Wasn't better 2y programmers and y modellers instead of y programmers and 2y modellers?
You model a single plane and you build the engine around that (how is IL2 born?)... you don't model ships, tanks, bycicles and cow and leave the engine broken.

I'm quite sure that they are working on tanks to profit from all that, IMO useless, 3D work...

Originally Posted by Robert

1C isn't without culpability, but we as forum members should look at our own behaviour too. If some of the folks here went on and on out side a resturant because of poor food, (like they do here) they'd be arrested for harrassment. Some have likened the release of this game to a $50,000 auto mobile. I invite you to try some of the shennanigans there as you do here.

Eh? This is all 1C's fault... You have no one going out and talking crap about 1C... this is 1C's board.. it should be almost their counter.
And of course the car example is a little forced... if it really was about a $50k car you don't wait a year to get angry, you call your lawyer the same the day.

Originally Posted by Robert

We're all in the same boat waiting for this product to be what we all hoped it would be, but some folk's behaviour warrants the black out. No one is any more disappointed than the other forumite. Yet there are some who think they are doing good by being pretentious children. But then again, a child never does grasp the ramifications of their childish behaviour.

Imo instead there are people more disappointed that other... you know I shudder at some posters' comments during the updates. I know how it works on forums: a little part of fanboys, the same of haters and the majority of objective guys. Fanboys will never be disappointed, the haters will always have something to say but the rest's opinion depends on the product.. and since there is no product it depends on news... what news?

Originally Posted by Robert

Regarding BoM? I'll wait to see whether improvements are executed before making a final decision. Making false threats of not purchasing because my feelings may be hurt because of the lack of updates is fool-hearty, IMO.

Bad management... you buy the game at the release and you're paying 5 times the current price WITHOUT any benefit (some guys even spent money to upgrade they rigs... you're MAD!), differently from any other product out there... "preorder" is based on trust since you pay without receiving anything but they award you for that... I'll buy it when it will cost 10$, like the guys who are mocking me right now about CloD.

Anyway I'm a VG addicted: I buy anythig but I don't have time to play (I'm a moron I know)... I was to buy Real Warfare 2 but I didn't confirm the order when I saw the publisher.
Also because if you scroll on the 1C's gamelist you find RO2... another failure.

Originally Posted by Robert

We're a small community. I've seen the same names from other forums for ten years. Others have changed names but can be recognisesd. 1C is small too. It's the relative size of both that permitts the intimacy and good communication we grew used to. I also think that's one of the reasons it's easy to take some of this personally. (Jusy my opinion.)

Of course we are old friends, we share the same hobby and you're completly right about taking this personally. We know we are important for MG and I can't believe they are treating us in this way. I'm angry because of that.

[mxmadman]

Well, ill just say this for the folks that don't venture into other realms of gaming: what we're going through with patches, bugs, and delays is on par with what every other developer is going through. Blizzard is the most recent one that pops into my mind, as they're cutting announced features long after starting pre-orders just months before release. Every developer has these same issues. I'm not giving any opinions on whether that's right or wrong, just stating facts.

Now, what annoys me is that the company has lashed out at its entire customer base by withholding information specifically because they felt slighted by a small percentage of their customers. This is not the way a professional (individual or corporation) should conduct themselves.

That being said, I can understand their reaction. These are real people, they do have feelings, and after spending as much time creating a product as they have I can sympathize with them not wanting to share anything until it is 100% fact.

[Chivas]

I doubt that the developers are holding much information back because they are pissed at a few people. They have said they are still working on the performance patch which doesn't lend itself to screenshots so they told us they were working on the FM and Performance patch and released some screenshots showing some of the work they are doing on vehicles. People looked at the pretty pictures, didn't bother reading the text, and assumed that the combat flight sim was dead, and they were making a tank sim. lol

As far as the performance patch goes, having an update once and awhile saying they are still working on it, is good enough for me. I don't need to be told weekly, as I can remember what they said on the last update. They will either release the patch or fail and it won't take a week for the sukhoi.ru forums to find out that the development has shutdown.