The Crystal Ball 2

[Force10]

Originally Posted by Chivas

Considering some of Luthier's and BlackSix's posts, I'm quite sure that the devs are just as annoyed with the community as some in the community are with them. Its possible it could effect what they post in the forums, but at this point, what we post or the devs post in the forums will have very little effect on the outcome of the new series. It will cause a few people who read the forums to delay their purchase, but the devs have enough support from the IC publishers to continue work for atleast a few more months to get things moving in the right direction. At the end of the day its the final product that counts, if the finished product is good then the new IL-2 series will be successful. This next patch is critical, to the sims survival, it needs a considerable performance boost to allow integration of all the missing resource hungry features.

Wow Chivas. Not sure where you went to business school, but it might be time for refresher course. Your saying that having 70% of your customers annoyed and questioning the quality of your product doesn't matter? I would guess that BOM will have 75% less pre-orders than COD had. Not a good business strategy if you ask me. With the shameful release of COD the best thing to do is damage control. The way you do that is good customer relations. What do we get? Luthier thinks we should be grateful that he is supporting the sim 7 months after release. Huh? They need to remember, we rely on them for a fun hobby, they rely on us to get a paycheck. See the difference of importance there?

[ATAG_MajorBorris]

Originally Posted by Force10

Wow Chivas. Not sure where you went to business school, but it might be time for refresher course. Your saying that having 70% of your customers annoyed and questioning the quality of your product doesn't matter? I would guess that BOM will have 75% less pre-orders than COD had. Not a good business strategy if you ask me. With the shameful release of COD the best thing to do is damage control. The way you do that is good customer relations. What do we get? Luthier thinks we should be grateful that he is supporting the sim 7 months after release. Huh? They need to remember, we rely on them for a fun hobby, they rely on us to get a paycheck. See the difference of importance there?

I bet the best thing they could do for "business" is shut these forums down as this is the what they have become, persistant drival that does nothing to further the genre or hobby.

Question; Do you forum more than fly as well?

[Force10]

Originally Posted by MajorBoris

I bet the best thing they could do for "business" is shut these forums down as this is the what they have become, persistant drival that does nothing to further the genre or hobby.

Question; Do you forum more than fly as well?

LoL! That's the spirit! Although I don't think releasing garbage and then shutting down communication is good for our hobby but your the expert apparently.

[von Brühl]

Originally Posted by MajorBoris

I bet the best thing they could do for "business" is shut these forums down as this is the what they have become, persistant drival that does nothing to further the genre or hobby.

Question; Do you forum more than fly as well?

I get far better performance in the forums, no stutters, no CTDs.

[Jugdriver]

Originally Posted by MajorBoris

Question; Do you forum more than fly as well?

Boris,

Mind if I put that in my sig?

JD
AKA_MattE

[Chivas]

Originally Posted by Force10

Wow Chivas. Not sure where you went to business school, but it might be time for refresher course. Your saying that having 70% of your customers annoyed and questioning the quality of your product doesn't matter? I would guess that BOM will have 75% less pre-orders than COD had. Not a good business strategy if you ask me. With the shameful release of COD the best thing to do is damage control. The way you do that is good customer relations. What do we get? Luthier thinks we should be grateful that he is supporting the sim 7 months after release. Huh? They need to remember, we rely on them for a fun hobby, they rely on us to get a paycheck. See the difference of importance there?

Preorders are no longer a factor, they've already sold enough of the first product. There is no doubt there are alot of unhappy people and they will wait to see how the next product turns out before buying. What we say or the developers say in the mean time will have very little effect on sales. You don't need to like the manufacturer to buy their product if the product is good, and there is no competition. Even the haters, are still here posting, and waiting, and most will buy if the product if its good. If they fail they fail, and the forum will soon fade away, with a few haters still here saying I told you so to no one.

[DroopSnoot]

Originally Posted by Chivas

Preorders are no longer a factor, they've already sold enough of the first product. There is no doubt there are alot of unhappy people and they will wait to see how the next product turns out before buying. What we say or the developers say in the mean time will have very little effect on sales. You don't need to like the manufacturer to buy their product if the product is good, and there is no competition. Even the haters, are still here posting, and waiting, and most will buy if the product if its good. If they fail they fail, and the forum will soon fade away, with a few haters still here saying I told you so to no one.

Sadly mate I can for the first time part of me can see this as a very real possiblity, this forum is the tip of the iceburg. Sukhoi is just as bad and there's no loss of translation there.
The net is full of terrible reviews as well as some good of course, youtube is crammed with jokes, rants, people destroying their games infront of their cameras and so on.
Now, I'm sure this happens to every game to a degree because you cant please all the people all the time, but I'm getting a very real sense that the people who are negative for cliffs is growing and growing, a simulator being a relatively small neiche market compared to FPS or RPG etc surely will suffer.
If sales dont go as hoped for BoM how can they afford to continue to improve and work on the game.

To not consider this would be business suicide, so they'll have a plan in place to counter act this from happening.

[Icebear]

Originally Posted by Chivas

Preorders are no longer a factor, they've already sold enough of the first product.

Any reliable source for this asstertion? I decided to uninstall IL2 Cliffs of Dover on march 31st and forget about it. As a matter of fact the sequel will never reach my system.

[carguy_]

Originally Posted by Chivas

Preorders are no longer a factor, they've already sold enough of the first product. There is no doubt there are alot of unhappy people and they will wait to see how the next product turns out before buying. What we say or the developers say in the mean time will have very little effect on sales. You don't need to like the manufacturer to buy their product if the product is good, and there is no competition.

BoM is day 1 buy for me. I just want to fly the new Friedrich.

[Skoshi Tiger]

Originally Posted by carguy_

BoM is day 1 buy for me.

+1 though a Yak is more my style!