The Crystal Ball

[JG52Uther]

And this:
http://riseofflight.com/Forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=26936

2012 is the crunch year for RoF. Apart from the financial side, it looks like the constant sniping and complaints are damaging them.
Some people should take note of what Jason says in those posts, about a lot of things...

[FS~Phat]

@JG52Uther
Agreed.. So... for those that worship RoF and think it can do no wrong, you had better think again in terms of it's longevity... RoF is a wonderful game and I love it enough to have bought all the expansions, and I hope it continues long into the future, but... one thing is clear, the constant complaining and whining doesnt do anything but damage this fragile genre of gaming for everyone.

So please, I ask all of you to just try and behave like people that enjoy this genre and enjoy helping others to discover and enjoy this wonderful niche world of flight simulation. Otherwise we may lose investor and publisher support for any decent flight simulations in the future.

As my Grandmother used to say, "If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say it at all!"

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Originally Posted by FS~Phat

@JG52Uther
RoF is a wonderful game and I love it enough to have bought all the expansions, and I hope it continues long into the future, but... one thing is clear, the constant complaining and whining doesn't do anything but damage this fragile genre of gaming for everyone.

Bingo!

I have all but one of the RoF expansions.. and many of the upgrades for each plane..

But RoF is not the 1st sim, nor the last that I have supported with my $

Off the top of my head I can only think of a handful of sims that I have NOT bought over the past 20 years of flight simming

Why?

Because I realize that flight simming is the red headed step child of gaming

Any company that sets out to make a flight sim does so against the advice of the marketing departments!

Which means they do it because they themselves love flight sims

But love does not put food on the table

So I see my small $50 per game payout as my way of supporting flight sim community as a whole..

In the hopes that it will not die off and these sim makers are NOT forced to go make 'other' games

Long story short, flight sim games need our support good or bad. With that said, IMHO everyone should view a new flight sim not as an investment, but as a gambler views a roulette table. You lay your $50 dollars down and spin the wheel. Some times you win, some times you loose. And if you hesitate at any moment while plunking down your $50, that is your inner voice telling you that this flight sim HOBBY of yours is too expensive for you in the first place. That is to say if your budget is such that your livelihood depends on the success of a flight sim game.. You really need to look in the mirror and re-evaluate your priorities in life.

[bongodriver]

Originally Posted by bongodriver

Simply....no, the scathing criticism must be countered here, the Nett result of all the whinging is actually going to damage the prospects for this game, I have also invested money here and want my dollar to come to fruition, the accusations of being a 'fanboi' are quite unfounded on me, you will have no luck dragging up a post where I blindly 'hi5' Luthier and claim nothing is wrong.

The 'core' issue here is the game didn't work particularily well on release, the devs even openly accepted that, they have subsequently laid out a roadmap as to what they are trying to achieve, they did try to make some updates but were met with hostility from the outset, so here we are living with the consequences......way to go.

Originally Posted by JG52Uther

And this:
http://riseofflight.com/Forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=26936

2012 is the crunch year for RoF. Apart from the financial side, it looks like the constant sniping and complaints are damaging them.
Some people should take note of what Jason says in those posts, about a lot of things...

And that folks is what I've been on about all this time, not purely about anti-whingeing, just looking out for my investment and a game genre.

[FS~Phat]

Originally Posted by cheesehawk

Good lord! How many languages does Jason know?

Amazing, as much improved as that sim is, that they're having problems. 1C should definitely pay attention!

I think the community is the one that needs to pay attention if you actually read the posts and understood the real situation. These guys (777 & 1C) put their heart and souls into this genre "as a labor of love" If you think its the developers at fault your not listening, they need your support not your constant criticisms.

[klem]

Originally Posted by FS~Phat

I think the community is the one that needs to pay attention if you actually read the posts and understood the real situation. These guys (777 & 1C) put their heart and souls into this genre "as a labor of love" If you think its the developers at fault your not listening, they need your support not your constant criticisms.

+1

And we, the positive part of community, have a responsibilty too.

Putting aside reasonable criticism and complaint, the doomsayers and trolls do not in themselves damage the game or its development. Its how the rest of us react to it that can amplify it, exaggerate it and seemingly add to the pile labelled 'doomed'.

Ignore the Trolls, give calm, evaluated/considered replies where you have something of value to say, don't reply if it won't help and let the rest of it float downriver.
And don't get personal.

[furbs]

Well i see it differently...in fact there is such a huge difference between CLOD and its developers and ROF and jason.

I brought ROF right at the start and have supported it through the hard times and never felt let down or aggrieved, ive never posted anything negative on the ROF forums even when ROF was in its early days and was having problems...why?

Because they have always been up front and honest about the games problems and have ALWAYS posted info, updates and blogs telling us what they are working on, a rough idea when the next patch will be out and if they are slipping they tell you why..they have always had a road map and a long term plan.

If they say they going to do something...THEY DO IT.

But most of all they FIX things and they stay fixed.

Each patch that is released has made progress and improved the sim.

ROF works.

[JG52Uther]

Yes RoF works, after two years it is a nice game, with constant paid for DLM, and its still on the edge of going under at any time. Their fanbase is only growing slowly.
If Jason is fed up of people complaining on a forum which is almost 100% positive, how do you think Luthier feels.
I think (hope) Jasons post made people perk up and take notice on the RoF forum, and I mentioned it because what he said is also valid here.
People whinging and whining, and constantly having forum fights here DOES damage these sims, and endanger their future, so don't be surprised if action is taken against people who do it.

[furbs]

Even in the first tough days of ROF they made progress with each patch.
They dont make stuff up.
They told you what is being fixed...and guess what? it got fixed in the patch.
then they moved on to the next problem, and so it went on.

Jason always answers posts even when he doesn't know the answer, if they cant do it yet, that is what Jason tell you.
Ive never felt ive had smoke blown up my pipe with Jason.

The core of ROF works and has always done so.

Today...CLOD still has the same problems it had 8 months ago. the core problems have not been fixed,.

FM
DM
CEM
AI
SOUND(getting better but still many problems)
COOPs
CRASHES

what have they been doing for 8 months?

like i say...a big BIG difference between ROF and Jason and CLOD and luthier.

[Robert]

Originally Posted by furbs

Even in the first tough days of ROF they made progress with each patch.
They dont make stuff up.
They told you what is being fixed...and guess what? it got fixed in the patch.
then they moved on to the next problem, and so it went on.

Jason always answers posts even when he doesn't know the answer, if they cant do it yet, that is what Jason tell you.
Ive never felt ive had smoke blown up my pipe with Jason.

The core of ROF works and has always done so.

Today...CLOD still has the same problems it had 8 months ago. the core problems have not been fixed,.

FM
DM
CEM
AI
SOUND(getting better but still many problems)
COOPs
CRASHES

what have they been doing for 8 months?

like i say...a big BIG difference between ROF and Jason and CLOD and luthier.

Jason wasn't onboard until approximately nine months after the release of RoF.